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Going Out in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire*

Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire Clubs, Music Venues, Cinemas

Clubs (Dance Music) and Music Bars

• Liquid for all the chavs
• now now now iv read all the reports an having been born in stoke i do think that a lot of ppl are moaning about the place but on monday, thursday, friday and saturday nights there is so much you can do in hanley. all the bars an clubs are close together so you merley fall out of one club straight in the next, there are loads more high brand bars know such as liquid, touch, the nme bar "underground" where pete docherty is constantly making apperances. youve got flares, walkabout, aruba even a harleys and a strip club. im a student at the mo in sheffield studying law an nights out up here are awsome but nothing compares to going out in hanley theres just so much more to do.
• Only good place i can think of is flares its good for a laugh
• jumpin jacks, liquid, flames, creation, suger mill
• Chaplin's bar in Hanley (opposite the Bus Station) are doing a men-only night on Tuesdays till late, starting late October 2005.
• The best club for dance/pop music is "The Club" in Hillcrest Street YES its a gay club but so what? its a great night out for anyone 18-80 the main nights are Fridays & Saturdays which is £4.00 before 11.00 £5.00 after that(non members)doors open at 10.30 and drinking up time its normally around 03.45 Monday night is Student night and at £2.00 entry you cant go wrong the doors open at 10.00 but it dont really get going till 11.30 and shuts at 02.00 then there wednesdays SKINT night where a selection of bottles and pints are only £1.30 and now Thursdays are Club night to which is a cheap night to.All the drinks are cheaper then ANY straight club or bar in Hanley and you dont have to worry about gay guys comming onto you as most of us puffters have pretty good GAYDARS :oP (and there are locks on the cubicles for those who get scared) LOL
• im sure you'll be able 2 find an ancient bar/club somewhere in the middle of nowhere in a country lane, any way even if you did there'd b no good lookin ppl probs packed full of the most CHAVIEST OF CHAV COMMON PPL WITH DA MOST OFF PUTTIN AXENT
• Flares and Chicago rock cafe are the best!!!
• underground aruba chicargo rock and china gardens are all great
• heard rumors of a chicago house night coming april 2005 to hanley stoke on trent called jelly size
• To be honest, your best bet is to go down the offy and get a few cans in. MUCH SAFER! but if you do find yourself lost in Stoke/Shelton try the Roebuck, its close to the train station for a quick gettaway!
• satchmos for clubin on sat u r a townie gimp if u go ny where else
• Liquid - by dazed, Creation - unsure of the street down the bottom sumwhere, formerly known as valentinos
• burning eyeball a new weekly under 18's rock night which takes place at Fusion, Hope St, Hanley, Stoke. 6.30pm - 10pm - £3 door tax, playing all things rock!!!!
• No trouble in satchmos? obviously you've never been on monday night, the so called "mod and indie nite". The place is full of hideous little scrotes from trentham who all want to be liam gallaher-aka the burberry brigade. Although some of the more imanginitave ones combine burberry with aquascutum. They have totally ruined what used to be a good night. Stoke is full of fuckwits like this, as is any city but because stoke is so incestuous they are harder to avoid than in a bigger city. Hence the reason i am fucking off to manchester!
• highway man come on guaranteed to take some dog home
• Liquid,Fluid and jumpin jacks.
• there is nothing for under 18s night it is soooooooo toss!!
• Gotta be Satchmos on a monday night proppa retro Fluid is quality Friday and Saturday but if you want a choice in music ie different rooms its gotta be Liquid or Creation (the old Valentinos)
• GO CREATION IT ROCKS
• In Hanley Valintinos is no longer called that. It is no Creation. Best places on a Monday night (student night) are Flares and JFK. JFK is £1 to get in and £1 for all drinks. Flares is 60's 70's music. JFK has great variety of music. Both have a youthful clientel on Monday nights but much older other nights.
• liquid nightclub stoke on trent is the best all you lot dont know what your talking about, valentinos and the cube or whatever are not here anymore, hanley has been upgraded!!
• im sick of reading about valentions its now creation u mongs when did u last go out
• Born and bred in Stoke, I moved to Coventry for the "University Life" and let me tell you, it is NOTHING compared to Stoke. Glad to see most places in Stoke have turned to funky house for a fresh sound. For a Satutday night, the best bar's have to be Tube and Revolution.. And Satchmo's is simply the ONLY place to be. Atmosphere is QUALITY!
• Liquid in Hanley plays some out of your mind dance music. If you like that sort of thing!
• The Potteries has a few good ones including Liquid, Jumpin Jacks, Creation, The Place and Void up Hanley and Maxims and Zanzibar up Castle, loads of bars in Castle as well Yates, Spoons, Limeys, Revolution, Brassingtons, Fluid, Edwards, Gratsbys, etc up Hanley theres Fluid, Chicago Rock, Bar La de dah, Walkabout, Harleys, Blue Bar, Chicos, Yates, La Bodega, Bar 360, Fat Cats Bar, Zest, Hogshead
• The Void
• sugar mill
• satchmos is the one, indie. funk etc
• if you are over 21 and looking for a good nite without kids gettin drunk then try Queens of basford esp on a friday nite for all ages i go regularly and its got great music and a full dancefloor its not a "grab a granny" club that it was in early 90's its also open on thursdays and saturdays but its a bit quiet
• Liquid Hanley - only good when you're REALLY far gone.
• New rock/alternative night starting at the end of August @ Maxims in Newcastle
• The Stage aka Sugarmills was a good little place for those of us who wanted a change from Valleys and the Place. Good sounds, Good atmos, Goregeous Women. Also check out The Globe just past Harry's bar (also good) on the same road as the council offices in the Stoke part of Stoke
• Stokes clubs are shit! I suppose if any Creations the best but they all suffer from SGS (See my post on 'The Worst Things' about Stoke-on-Trent)
• AVOID ZANZEEBAR NEWCASTLE,STICKY CARPET WATERD DOWN ALE AND UNDERAGE DRINKERS!
• satchimos is a load of shit. It is the grimmist place ever. If you want an atmosphere go to flares to laugh at the gay bar people doing gay ymca style dances and join in with them. Weatherspoons in hanley is cheap and a laugh but full of smell, dirty, divorced 50+ men glaring at the youngest person in their.
• Void for silly dancing and outlandish behaviour, plays top dj's and funky upstairs, lots of fun to be had by all. Find a local and enquire about any afterparties, they're usually a giggle!! Reckless is very good @satchmos good music, cool crowd, next door to the void! The Place is a fuckin pisser on mondays, student night for everyone i know, is'nt as good as it was, mainly because all the fun people have gone to uni and those that are left have started to go to liquid. ( shit at the weekends but if it's holiday time and the cool kids are back in town then monday is the night!!) Liquid is the newest/cleanest club in hanley, expensive, no atmosphere but if you wear designer clothes and can't dance then it's for you. Valentinos, now Creation, commercial venue for beer boys, tarts and keele uni students who get the coach to hanley now and again. Cheesey/chart tunes (not my cup of tea!) it's shit if i'm honest and over priced (you will be thrown out for stealing the fake plants!!)
• Right, this is where we set the record straight! Forget about all that toss that someone wrote on your page, iv been living in Stoke all my life and i can tell you ALOT about the night life! A typical Friday night in Stoke and Newcastle is one of the best in the country!Kicking off in Newcastle, you have a whole range of bars from "The Tube" to "Revolution" to "Blues Bar" to "Yates" there is at least 40 bars, no joke! When 11.30 comes about, jump into a taxi down to Hanley and there are a whole load of *DECENT* clubs to choose from. There is "Liquid" possibly the best and newest club in Stoke. Creation...(the new valentinos) The place is nearly unheard of now since new clubs have opened and the place needs soooo much work carrying out on it!Jumping Jacks is a club/bar which leads into liquid! There are also a lot of bars in Hanley, ranging from The Junction to Cuba which plays a lot of R&B. The Void still has the biggest named DJ's in the country regularly attending! The Sugar Mill is full of Goths and Greebos, i highly recomend you stay wel away from there, which is virtually impossible because it is literally across the road from liquid! Fluid is also a good bar, which is at the far end of Hanley, there is also a fluid in Newcastle.
• Liquid & creation. everywhere does cheap drinks on student night in hanley - (monday)!
• Nowhere can beat the Void, Best D.J's for House and Hardcore. Worst thing they should of never closed down Club Kinetic. Face it, Stoke is the dogs bollox!!
• Hanley & Newcastle are gr8 places 2go 4a nite out.we have been going out 4 years and we get sloshed, pull, dance & av a gr8 time.So dont diss it! We r goin out 2nite!!!!
• brannigans the one with the ginger guyon the door, LONG LIVE THE SCOUSE, and all its albanian old women pulling punters
• The Void at Glass Street in Hanley is EXCELLENT a mixture of different people all loving the music and eachother!! But beware walking past from 4.00am till 6.00 am there will be some scary sights emerging - all sweaty ciber kids with pokemon bags and wide eyes!
• Liquid in Hanley is the place to be. A bunch of tossers go there on Friday nights but it's hilarious!!!
• there all wank but i always end up in creation which is a right shithole
• valleys now 'creation' is full of young uns rosie o'brians in 'the place' WIKIIIIIIIDDDDDDDD
• Clubs in Stoke that are worth going to? No...sorry. Can't think of anything, unless you want to end up in hospital.
• creation
• Where to start?! Branigans - full of 40 - 60 year olds dancing to Phil Colins thinking they are 16 again! The Place - what a shit hole, sick all over the carpets, people stink of sweat, stupid prices to get in and what for a shit night?! Also it now appears to be a spot the white man club, you will be lucky! Creation - not to bad at least people make a slight effort to look attractive and overage, expensive beer and expensive to get in but good music, the only bad thing is watching some silly 15 year old tart wiyth hardly any clothes on showing all she hasn't got on the podium, but after 11 that ends as it's time for the 15 year olds to go home to bed.
• Saturday night in the Place. R&B room all white people welcome-HONEST
• Not enough! THere's a new rock club up Glass Street
• Golden@Void is a class night out, other than that, make sure you have somewhere to stay in manchester
• Place is spot on for RnB on a friday nite, n if you like the hardcore stuff then the basement in the place would suit you.
• THE PLACE-friday and saturday-full of sexy lads. Flacketts-also great for all the sexy lads. millionaires-a cheap pisser of a time on a monday night.
• chicos is the best rock pub around, but foxy is a dick and a twat of a DJ
• Shelleys in Longton where surgical removal from the carpet was necessary for all at closing time.It was so sticky through a combination of spilt beer, fag ash, snot and vomit.
• Chicos hasn't changed in ofer 15 years. We used to play 'tig' in there but nowadays the kids are far more sophisticated and miserable.
• freako chicos. been going there since 1987 and it hasn't changed except some are getting younger. you can wear your trainers and jeans here. non-alternatives like it here so they can perv over goth girls in basques
• Nappy Night at the Place on Sundays and Wednesday. Before all these little slappers were born The Place was the place!! to be. Everyone that was anyone went Nappy night booging the night away in the Cellar. Me and Mates agree that Nappy Night was the best time of our lives. Trevor M rules.
• the new creation definately wrth a visit & somehow it has nice birds in?must be out of towners!
• The Stage, now The Sugarmill, used to have the BEST Friday night in town. I used to work there. For shit wages.
• THE VOID IS THE ONLY DECENT CLUB IN HANLEY - HOSTING GOLDEN WITH THE LEADING PIONEERS IN REAL MUSIC PLAYING EVERY SATURDAY. FORGET CREATION AND ESPECIALLY THE PLACE, CONSIDER SATCHMOS & SUGARMILL 4 ALTERNATIVES.
• The place in hanley is not shite where did you get your information from you obviously don't go to the same night club as me and sad fukers like you lot out there dissing the place dont know how to have a good time and should lighten up a bit and get a fuckin life.THE PLACE ROCKS!!!!!!!!
• the void. drugs
• Apparently Valentino's has been bought by First Leisure and is having a grand opening night on Sat 28th Sept. Be there - I will!!
• New club to open soon. Part of a chain - Creation.
• The Place is about the best club cos you have the choice of dance music or you can go upstairs to Rosies for pop music! However the drinks are VERY expensive! Vallys is crap. Void is best for proper dance fans but full of drugs.
• Brannigans is full of OAPs. Valies used to be OK but is currently shut for refurbishment (the clever management have decided to refurbish it at the busiest time of the year). It looks like it could be good when its been done tho judging by the amount of money being spent. By far and away the best club however is The Place esp on a Monday and a Friday.
• The Place in Hanley is definately the place to be and also Flakkets for a real taste of what Stoke is like (some people are actually quite nice not as u would of noticed)
• Valentinos used to be young totty heaven, nowadays it is populated usually by about ten people all fat mingers who were turned away from dance clubs for being too rough.The Place on Fridays is heaving with fit young girls who are generally filthy.
• Come on! how can nobody have mentioned North at The Void! but beware if you have a weak heart!!!! big names like MARK EG, SHARKEY, THE PRODUCER!!! if you love very VERY hard techno! go to North!!!!
• The best club in Stoke, by far, is the stage(or rather the sugarmill). It plays decent music, has a great atmosphere and it's 2 for 1 on Fridays and it's quite cheap to get in. As for the rest they're all dance/pop clubs that are so similar that you could forget which one you were in if you'd had a few. Never been to the Void but I'm told it's really good if you're a hardcore dance fan.
• dont even bother.hanley club scene is shite,valies mings,the place is boring crap especially when youve been going every monday and friday for as long as you can remember and basically after a nite out in this small town u always wish you had drank a bottle of jack daniels and thrown yourself under a passing car much earlier on instead of paying the quids to get in the bastard clubs in the first place.sorry to be depressing but im sure some of u out there agree.hanleys club scene is about as interesting as watchin an episode of home and away
• Vallys is toss since they have had a new DJ. Golden is just getting better. Place is excellent for atmosphere. The Junction(new) is a small version of vallys-
• Golden has big names, but its gone downbank lately, all the casuals have lost the plot and fuck knows whats going on.
• The Place but once you've been a gazillion times it does kinda get borin. Jaxx is great on a Monday, free to get in and all drinks a quid... they're askin for trouble!!
• the sugarmill is a must,great atmosphere and music that doesn't make your head hurt.
• FUCK OFF, STOKE HAS NO CLUBS THAT ARE DECENT. JUST FULL OF IRISH THEME BARS. CHANCES OF GETTING YOUR HEAD KICKED IN 17/10.
• I've lived here for two years and have only found a good night to be had on a Friday in Satchmo's or the Sugarmill.
• GOLDEN at the void. COME ON. weeeyyy. I am f....
• Very cool hip-hop, big beat night called Dantai. It doesn't have a permanant home but pops up about 4 times a month. There are always smart flyers around for it.
• Staffordshire university students union. Cheap beer, sexy men.
• The Place - Stoke On Trent Has a second area on a Saturday night dedicated to the R&B scene, been long running, good crowd lots of out-of-towners, small amount of house, garage and reggae.
• Satchmo's. Was a jazz club and still puts on a good turntablist friday night called Reckless.
• Visit Burslem Snooker Club Cleveland Street Burslem the oldest snooker\billiard club in England opened in 1913 still the same tables, licenced ,open 24 hours
• chicos in hanley near the bus station, fab rock/ goth/ alternative place where all the freaks of nature hang out (including myself!)
• Place is good
• Valentinoes after its latest update is still totty heaven where the totty here is so tigh that the police out to be called.
• The Place: over 40's only
  The Place has a buzin atmosphere and opens four nights a week: Monday being student night, Thursday is "Pure" in the place, especially for clubbers, and the usual Friday and Saturday. It is not full of slappers... . There is also Kintetic and The Venue, which are clubber's heavens.
• Cube was shut down due to lots of drugs, and people getting stabbed. Valentinos *is* full of kids. And pushers. And people who can't hold their beer and want you to beat them up. The Place is not the place to be seen in - it's shite. Only go if you've actually taped 'Gardening Time', so you can be assured of a good time when you get in .
• The Cube was more probably closed down due to hideous amounts of drug dealing going on inside the club, we thought, and not people throwing up outside it, and the other club mentioned, Valentinos is completely full of youngsters - yes I used to be one of them - so if you've grown out of that, there's The Place, which is a far better place to be seen in.
• Clubs include Valentinos and The Cube (This was then shut down in July/August '95, but I am told has since reopened (possibly called Heart and Soul). It was shut down due to people pissing on shops and vomiting everywhere outside, as well as the amount of trouble in and outside the club.

Live Music Venues

• SUGARMILL all the way, Victoria hall is also good.
• id recomend loads of places i'll just name some good big ones Sugermill (of course) in hanley The under ground (also in hanley) green stars also good in smallthorne
• Dont touch the Talbot Hotel
• THE UNDERGROUND (UNDERGROUND) UNDERGROUND
• Sugarmill!
• the sugarmill hanley.
• Plenty in Hanley, and there is always Harry's bar down in Stoke, full of lovely tax dodging students!
• The sugarmill is definetly the best place! We have the Underground too which is a good venue! Nearest one outta town is probs Birmingham Academy!
• sugarmill for band or the gleabs smack nite for new bands
• the talbot has amazing bands sometimes (but also appaling punk/ska/metal bands) when "the musicroom" puts on a show. i see maybe one interesting band per year at the sugarmill and satchmos. other than that its all either bland punk, second-hand metal, or terrifyingly abysmal indie radio friendly nasty.
• Rigger newcastle under lyme good venue for local band's ask for buff
• tons in the town center
• rock idols at tommy cheadles bar port vale football club fri 4/7/04 only a fiver on the door carling and worthy only 1.50 a pint
• Sugarmill Talbot Satchmos Underground Keele Uni
• Obviously the Sugarmill is the best, but Talbot follows close behind. The Glebe is the newest music venue about, but very overrated by their staff, lots of good bands, but if they have more than 5 people in the audience (and thats not often), it is too crowded to enjoy
• The Talbott in Stoke has some pretty cool bands but for the up and coming Indie bands its gotta be the Sugarmill in Hanley they recently had Snow patrol there
• There is a great pub called 'The Oxford Arms' on Wolstanton Marsh that try desperately to book and promote good music of all varieties
• Birmingham or Manchester
• The Sugarmill is great, they have loads of bands (saw King Prawn there recently - fantastic night), the Talbot in Stoke has loads of ten band all dayers, and even the Glebe in Stoke now has bands every week!
• sugarmill, satchmos and limelight (crewe)
• Jumping Jacks, across the road from The Junction often has live music, aswell as Chicago Rock Cafe!
• Lomax in Stoke, excellent.
• The Stage Door - quality
• the talbot, the sugermill, the sutherland arms, you get good local bands eg senseless and size 5
• Need more punk venues rather than shitty indie bands at the sugarmill
• Faceless,souless, corporate fucking wetherspoons have taken over any attempt to have a decent live music venue. Other than that we have 0 places to go to listen to any half decent live music
• fuck knows.but any1 who the fucks been talkin about the cube? how long ago was that shut down!! ps vallies is now creation u thick southern wankers
• satchmos good live indie acts,chicago rock cafe good fun
• The Stage, Hanley. Used to have The Wheatsheaf in Stoke town centre, but again that went down the pan. As did The Theatre Royal, bought up by Mike Lloyd, owner of the local independent record shop. It folded. I think Mike Lloyd is bankrupt now. But there's the newly done-up Victoria Hall, and Teddy's at Trenthan Gardens has been used as a venue by The Manics, Oasis, a couple of others.
• THE VOID.
• The stage is ok.
• The Stage
• Satchmo's in Hanley, THANK YOU!!!! for at long last bringing cool live music to the City. The bands are class and it is a greatblast from the past to chill out with good company in a buzzing atmosphere.Always busy, never any bother and never lets us leave without a smile on our faces!! Every Saturday night is a session night.
• R.I.P The Wheatsheaf, Stoke
• sugarmill rules !!
• Sugarmill is fantastic!!
• satchmos is a top night out and the rigger for punk,ska and rock
• Go to Glastonbury, 150 miles away please
• rigger pub in newcastle , fab bands, good atmosphere and the sexiest bar staff in the world ( hello simon!)
• The Royal, Hanley - Stoke on Trent -
• The Wheatsheaf closed down in July 1998 but Wheatsheaf Music continues across the road at Riddle's Music Bar at The Talbot Hotel in Stoke. Live bands seven nights a week. Bar open until 1.00am Mon - Sat & 11.00pm Sun. Doors open 8.00pm. More info from 01782 844438 or www: wheatsheafmusic.co.uk
• The all new Victoria Hall and soon the Old Regent ( Was the Odean)
• Wheatsheaf - a bit out of the way.
• Stage - dogs for top music and bands.
• Oasis

Cinemas

• Warner village in newcastle rocks
• odean festival park. warner village newcastle
• The BEST cinema in Staffordshire let alone Stoke is The Odeon on festival park not to pricey and the staff are very friendly
• Odeon or the Warner village but Warner is a rip off and they make you pay for parking in the tightest car parking you've ever seen so i tend to go to the odeon for free parking.
• Dont go to the odeon! it stinks and is dirty! instead head upto Newcaslte Under Lyme to the Warner Village, cheaper and nicer!
• Yeah like I wanna pay 7 quid for a tiny box of maltesers NOT
• Newcastle-u-Lymes Warner Village is a quality place to see a film, as its tiday and still clean, unlike the Odeon in festival park
• mainstream= festival park or warner in newcastle sometimes good stuff at staffs uni theatre
• odeon - fezzy park
• yeh i wud travel miles, VUE (old warner village) is ded cool! seats are ded comfy
• They found a dead body in a vent at the ABC.
• odeon,fezzie park
• WARNER VILLAGE IN NEWCASTLE, NEWLY BUILT, MODERN AND GOOD
• Warner Bros. Cinema in Newcastle is actually ok!
• Warner Brothers up Castle, and one up Hanley
• Odeon Festival Park it stinks
• Warner Bros in Newcastle Odeon in Festival Park
• WARNER VILLAGE CINEMA NEWCASTLE COMFFY SEATS,NICE ATMOSPHERE.
• Odeon in fezzy park is always full with 13 year old festitutes, looking for a fat ugly smell spotty 22 year old bloke who borrowed his mum and dads car for the night.
• Warner Village cinema in Newcastle is Far better than the ODEON in etruria, never go to the ODEON.
• ABC all the way!! is shut down now, there is one nar staffs uni, it's a cute little one screen affair, but is cheaper and more personal than the odean or warner bros
• Warner Village, the most advanced cinema in the UK. that is situated in newcastle. The Odeon which is on the Festival Park, just down from Hanley
• Warner village in newcastle is wicked, the seats are so comfy and the popcorn is well nice!
• Warner bros in castle is sound
• Festival Park, and now Warner Bros in Newcastle, only you need a mortgage before you go there and they search you to make sure you're not taking your own food in!!!
• Fezzie Park if you want to meet some drunk slags
• warner in newcy lyme
• Odeon on festival park if you manage to get through the doors past all the pissed up 14 & 15 year olds
• odeon not to good but thank god for newcastle warner village.
• Victoia hall hanley.Part of a new development called the Cultural Quarter .
• You could drinm beer in the ABC, screen 1 even had it's own loos so you didn't miss too much of the film. It is sorely missed.
• Cheap Sunday night at the one near Shaffers.Bliss.
• There's a good art-house cinema during term-time; it's next to Staffs Uni, just across the road from Stoke rail station & Waterstones bookshop. See: http://www.stokefilmtheatre.fsnet.co.uk/
• Standard Odeon - multiplex - aluminium box. Also houses a Quasar and Superbowl. Same as anywhere else. Hanley had a Cannon/ABC which was excellent and really cheap, but it closed down. Another empty building in Hanley. Hooray! Also film theatre in Staffs Uni run by arrogant students.
• ODEON STOKE OR WB NEWCASTLE
• no good cinema's, the best is STAR CITY, BIRMINGHAM! Leather reclining seats, and you can get a beer and free popcorn and free pringles!
• Odean is ok, much better than the old ABC.
• ABC closed down with old pesionable women told to leave. A hangout for gay lovers thank god the seats hav gone.
• odeon is good but full of little kids, but it has loads of screens. ABC is shite, and closing down soon
• warner village cinema in newcastle is by far the best.
• Good one in Kidsgrove at the retail park, but thats it!
• That one in hanley is full of miserable old bags behind the counters who tell the children to sit still - gettin theit knickers in a twist the ol dears
• The ABC in Hanley is the best by far. Not for sweets though!
• Hanley Cinema - the Festival Park 'experience' with its predigested entertainments and gangs of youths has always struck me as soulless. Far nicer is Hanley Cinema, with a family-run feel, where you can have a drink in the upstairs plush lounge before the movie, and again afterwards to thrash out the film with your friends. Nice snacks and friendly vibes.
• Odeon on Festival Park - better than Appollo in Stafford anyhow. Also Water world and skiing on Festival Park.

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