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• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2011
  site in google cafe used by 1960 guitar group tony .pip.ross....died holland young...delta 5..jay walkers..southall community centre.and greenford etc...bristol cafe southall owned by jack..music

• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Motco (Member 10255946) on 27-Jul-2011
  Yvonne, forgive me but your reply - thanks for your promptness - is a little cryptic for a bear of little brain! Can you please elucidate?

• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2011
  put tony pip ross in google....up comes his site music.....or tony ross......local hayes southall...guitar..and james marshall guitar shop local.....

• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2011
  he writes of spiral steps cafe.....on his google..long page..and photos

• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Motco (Member 10255946) on 2-Aug-2011
  Thanks Yvonne.

• Re: Spiral Steps café in Southall in the 1960s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2011
  bristol cafe youth club southall.......delta 5...guitar.born frogmore matern hosp norwood green....he went bishop holt grammar like steps girl of 1980s did............off uxbridge rd near hillingdon hosp.....lived near hayes bridge southall,,,,,,,,,,on google death etc...jim marshall music shop king st southall then hanwell..............ian nelhams his cousin terry was adam faith....used fortnam m
  ason queens grocer...restaurantpiccadily as his office...died young heart attack,,,from acton
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• Re: Lost people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
  see friends reunited free site...schools...jobs....streets numbers houses members lived...all yrs.....clubs old members etc all there......see southallknowhere site all around and 31 boards photos

• Re: Lost people by Alan King (Member 10259155) on 20-Mar-2011
  Tried the sources you suggest - nada. But thanks anyway,Yvonne.

• Re: Ealing Mead School Blazer Badge by Barb (Member 10126739) on 14-Mar-2011
  Have you looked at www.mediocres.co.uk. Pics on there

• Re: Shaila Dhuru (Neela Dhuru) by shaila king (Member 10238935) on 15-Mar-2011
  hi Penny! what a lovely surprise to see your message - found by chance by my son.
  How are you? Where are you?
  And what news of Jacky?
  
  My email add: as55king@g
  mail.com
  
  Love, Shaila
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• Re: mrs monk and daughter who married 1973/4 st stephens w13 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2011
  33 courtfield gdns west ealing....1974 approx wedding st stephens locally..daughter of mrs monk..........wilma attended.....please can mrs monk or daughter put a reply thankyou...best wishes...thankyou

• Re: Cordery/ Ridgway by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2010
  in google..southall know old face site...free site...people there say they knew ada cordely southall

• Re: Cordery/ Ridgway by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2010
  ada cordery family of southall on are you old face southall in google

• Re: Cordery/ Ridgway by Karen Connolly (Member 10214339) on 4-Aug-2010
  I am Ada Cordery's daughter. Grandparents were William and Matilda of Clarence Street, Southall. William Cordery was born in Cranford Lane in 1894 - brothers were Thomas and Robert as of 1901 census! Mother and father were John and Catherine. More siblings were to follow - John, Albert and Catherine.

• Re: Cordery/ Ridgway by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2010
  cordery family of cranford lane my nans mother and gdads..neighbours....her gdad died 1900 age 70s george timberlake buried heston church ..have plot number..wife died 1913 there cranford lane since 1850s when she was first married like most they came in from botwell dawley labouring tythe dwelling cottages.st mary hayes records...hounslow library ..lma northampton row...have microfilm church marr
  iages burials..most baptised those days month old......elm tree..ris sun..old queens head.......rose crown old george pubs by church..were their locals..labouring thirsty work..springwell rd also row 4 tiny cottages by speart blackberry farm piggery orchards...photo women war effort 1914 with pitchforks cranford lane......heston farm cornfields lobjoit market gardeners shire horses new tractors...boys working 12 yrs ol and before...school 1895 was by heston church..greengrocer there dickie wingrove nans uncle 1890...died 1937 age 72..orchard bungalow heston...bunny butcher heston famous and deliveries..nans aunt sarah wallbanks timberlake .born 1857 cranford lane was village midwife free..birthed babies layed out the dead elderly or many kids infections did not make it...
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• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Jul-2010
  l was in Ealing nearly every day 1964 - 67 but never heard of that group. Are you sure of the name and/or that it was Ealing, not Acton perhaps?? Cannot speak for 1962-64 but definitely not Ealing 64 - 67

• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2010
  nick keith...they are on site..california ballrooms dunstable by luton...famous 60s.....loads groups there...include curtis and flames......jo brown the kinks brian pooole davedee doz beaky....5/-......10/- entry

• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Nick Warburton (Member 10248317) on 4-Sep-2010
  Thanks for the information you provided. Here is all I know about the band:
  
  They were formed around 1961/1962 and featured lead singer Jeff Curtis, lead guitarist Louis McKelvey (ex-Persuaders from Twickenham; went to school with Don Craine from Downliner’s Sect), rythmn guitarist Keith Gardiner, bass player Dave Wiggington, a sax player called CB and the original drummer. In 1963, drummer M
  alcolm Tomlinson joined from Isleworth where he’d played in the Panthers. He’d gone to the same school as Ian McLagen (later in Faces) and I also believe drummer Mick Underwood (but was in lower years to both).
  
  The Flames apparently did a demo for Joe Meek comprising five tracks and played in Germany (most likely Top Ten Club and Star Club). They also did cross ferry tours (with possibly Ray Charles) and played an ice rink gig with The Animals.
  
  They were also house band at the Ealing Jazz Club. I believe that the club was open six nights a week and was closed on Tuesdays (according to Melody Maker). I’ve been through MM and can find no reference to them apart from one gig in December 1965 but that doesn’t mean they didn’t play 1962-1964 period as few gigs were advertised.
  
  I did find a reference to a band called the Fabulous Soul Messengers who played every Sunday from 1 December 1963 but doubt this was the same group.
  
  The photo at the link below shows the line up with Malcolm Tomlinson (second right) next to Jeff Curtis.
  
  http://www.rock.co.za/files/upsetters_index.htm (photo of band circa 1963 at the bottom of the page)
  
  In 1964, Tomlinson left to join The Del Mar Trio fronted by singer Jimmy Marsh who was from Fulham and had fronted the Fairlanes I believe. Another drummer came in but who? In late summer of 1965, McKelvey left to travel to South Africa and played with The Upsetters and The A-Cads.
  
  Tomlinson subsequently joined the Noblemen in summer of 1966, which featured a pre-Jethro Tull Martin Barre. This band evolved into The Motivation, Penny Peeps and finally Gethsemane and disbanded in Dec 1968. McKelvey returned to UK from South Africa in April 1966 and headed for Montreal in October 1966 and played with Our Generation and Influence. He then returned to UK in July 1968 and picked up Tomlinson. They returned to Canada in January 1969 and formed Milkwood. Both have lived in Toronto since then.
  
  I presume by the gigs below that Curtis replaced McKelvey with another lead guitarist and it’s possible other players might
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• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Nick Warburton (Member 10248317) on 4-Sep-2010
  I presume by the gigs below that Curtis replaced McKelvey with another lead guitarist and it’s possible other players might have come in for Gardiner, Wiggington and the CB? The last gig I have found was mid-1967. If anyone can provide any more details on the band, I would be most grateful. I’m particularly interested to find out who played in the band post-McKelvey. Maybe there are some links
  to more well known bands?
  
  1) 11 January 1965 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with Sonny Childe & The Elders Consolidated (with Louis McKelvey but after Malcolm Tomlinson left)
  
  2) 9 April 1965 – California Ballroom, Dunstable, Bedfordshire with The Escorts and Beaux Maverix (billed as Geoff Curtis Set)
  
  3) 24 July 1965 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with The Rising Sons
  
  4) 22 January 1966 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with Plain and Fancy (after McKelvey and Tomlinson had left)
  
  5) 12 February 1966 – California Ballroom, Dunstable, Bedfordshire with Goldie & Dave Antony’s Moods and The Game
  
  6) 7 May 1966 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with The Ying Yongs and The Cotswold Stones
  
  7) 20 August 1966 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with The Showmen
  
  8) 24 October 1966 – Tiles, London with Edwin Starr
  
  9) 5 November 1966 – Locarno Ballroom, Swindon, Wiltshire with The Undertakers and Some Other Guys. Billed as The London Flames (Jeff Curtis)
  
  10) 9 March 1967 – Upper Cut, Forest Gate, Essex (billed as Jeff Curtis Set)
  
  11) 9 June 1967 – California Ballroom, Dunstable, Bedfordshire wtith Allen Bown Set (billed as Geoff Curtis Set)
  
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• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Nick Warburton (Member 10248317) on 4-Sep-2010
  One last point about them: I know from an NME advert in January 1965, that they signed to the Roy Tempest Agency along with many other bands.

• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2010
  husband went to hounslow grammer...searchers boy there..we went see them play lampton pk next to school...adam faith of acton..granada greenford had tom jones many bands,,,eel pie island twickenham rolling stones..trevor baylis of southall.still lives island....the who local....fred mercury.gladstone ave feltham ..friend used to go to his mums door autographs....brian may went school feltham..kerr
  y evans and him gt tim rice chess song anthem..expect they will sing electric guitar at olympics..west london rich in pop music..2is coffeee bar 50s 60s jo brown cliff tommy steel beatles..southall jazz white hart pub skiffle lonnie donagon..cleo lane born school near there...ronnie scott played..aker bilk..kenny ball ....etc etc...mersey ferry liverpool they play river cross mersey gerry pacemakers...gt 60s bands.for ever....
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• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Dec-2010
  anybody any info crackjack band see southall knowhere site.....photo 5 of band there 1960 approx 50s

• Re: JEFF CURTIS & THE FLAMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2010
  stay and come back groups travel world now...australia europe...status quo husbands favourite......if yours play abroad now

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Miss Madison (Member 10148695) on 21-Dec-2009
  Yea I know.. I used to use it alot when discussing the history of the McCanns and Purcells.. Was great to hear what everyone else used to say.. some of it cr*p and some of it quite true!

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Dec-2009
  Ah well somebody else does take a look.
  I've only just found this, and having lived in Ealing until the early 70s, l find the place interesting. The Knowhere Southall board is very active. l very rarely go to Ealing these days, but l am amazed at the changes from 50 years ago. Ealing was a very safe place to be then at any time of day or night. Beyond Greenford it was quite rural unti
  l the late 50's and l cannot believe that it is not a safe place after dark anymore.
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• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Paul Hilling (Member 10056496) on 23-Dec-2009
  I lived in Ealing when you could actually sleep on the Green without a worry, (unless the police woke you), The Royal Oak, the Pidgeons, and the pubs in Haven Lane, all safe, and the people great, parties every weekend, without trouble (well almost), what a pity the "Queen of the Suburbs" has lost her virtue
  Paul

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Dec-2009
  Those are the days l remember too Paul. l cannot believe that a friend who still lives in the area (in fact the only one still within the M25) who tells me that different gangs have different "territories" around various areas of the Broadway. I moved to Sussex in '75, so l can still clearly remember the 60's there (and still have a few memories of the 50s when l was very young). Yes, l can
  understand why it had the Queen of the Suburbs 'title' with the beautiful family houses up Eaton Rise and the wonderful village community around Pitshangar Lane etc. Probably all gone now.
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• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Dec-2009
  you have royalty living ealing broadway and the gentry follow..because of them fashionable place to live and the gentry grows.private schools fine houses..walpole pk .pitzhanger hse 1890 fine building public library...and all fine hses servants quarters large uo castlebar argylle,,the avenue..eaton rise..the big abbey there....I lived there in the 70s topr eaton rise by pitzhanger used the pretty
  row shops there..and back pitzhanger pk tennis courts bowling green and fast stream saw kingfisher.....originally southall we all knew ealing as queen suburbs.it was first called in 1880s...queen victorias father lived castelhill hse up castelbar..and princess amelia lived gunnesbury after rothchilds.nice museum there now...queen victoria pub..duke kent pub scotch common..fine views high hill see wembley stadium...used to be perivale maternity hospital just up there..hoover factory employed many there at a40
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• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by sharon anderson (Member 10243509) on 4-Jan-2010
  i lived in western road before they pulled it down practically lived in the royal oak my mum worked there in early 70's pulled my first pint there standing on a crate,have really fond memories of the place and the people..

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jan-2010
  western rd southall..oak pub which one...near western rd the canal .the common.by southall rec is old oak tree pub.by northhyde bridge.parish heston..is this what you mean..thanks.my family came from there

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jan-2010
  they pulled down all old houses for ealing broadway shop centre and library

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Jan-2010
  No Yvonne, l think Sharon means the ROYAL Oak which was a Courage pub opposite Bentalls. Western Road was nearby in Ealing and the Royal Oak was always just referred to as "the Oak"

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jan-2010
  yes thanks keith thought of it bit later and realised she probably meant ealing wat,,,thanks keith...photos all your areas interests on our southall flickr now very gd

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Kelly Sidkir (Member 10244461) on 5-Feb-2010
  Dis anyone go to the Day Nursery or Culmington Road? or were you ever in King Edward's Hospital (3x for me)? How about Lavells on Uxbridge Road, a newsagent/local shop with sweets and toys?
  
  Used to go the The Royal Oak 69-71 and remember when they turned The Grange into a 'tree' all those nooks and crannies and different levels?
  I too used to wait outside EB station with the crowds to hear wh
  ere the parties were or just follow the crowd. Used to see Pete Townsend around town now and then. Knew the Charlbury Grove lot, especially Chalkie and Alan. Foxy and Keith - mad as hatters. Many an impromptu party up there and pool parties. Remember the dogs - Winston and Teddy? Can't remember which one it was, but one was forever getting out and wandering off. Once he ended up miles away as he'd got into the back of someone's van.
  
  Another favourite of mine from The Royal Oak was Irish Desmond and Lofty. Also went out with a guy called Gerry (don't remember his last name)when I first started hanging out there. New Years Eve would turn into a huge snogfest at midnight! and soda syphon fights! At one stage Chalkie got a bad together and they played at the Town Hall one time. Alan (RIP) had a wicked sense of humour.
  
  Ealing used to be gorgeous. The perfect place to grow up. Perfectly safe. As a child I would be out on my bike or with my friends all day long and only come in for meals or the loo. It has been totally ruined. No longer has that village feel. Pound shops, kebab shops, tacky architecture, they've pulled down too much and replaced it with UGLY nasty looking buildings. Half of the High Street is OK, but Bond Street is a tip now. I got tired of stepping over sick on the pavement on a Saturday/Sunday morning after screamiing hordes of pissheads had overdone it again, and so moved away 7 years ago. It's jammed with people who come in from outside of the W5 postcode, so there's no feeling of community now. I know life moves on, but it's taken none of its charm with it along the way. It's gone from Queen of the Suburbs to a Has Been......shame!
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• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Feb-2010
  Although I lived in Southall I had a job at The Car & General Insurance Co. in Ealing Broadway in 1946. I was just 15 years old. The offices were in an old building looking out onto the Broadway. We all occcupied the upper floors, and there was a bank directly underneath us where I used to take all the cheques and cash daily. My friend and I used to wave at the Danish students who were lunching at
  Lyons (right opposite) and were studying at a Business School in Ealing. No central heating in our day. We had a fireplace in each office, and had to keep putting the coal on in the winter. Can't remember ever feeling cold. When Princess Elizabeth married the Duke of Edinburgh we were allowed to go across the road on the day to the cinema there (can't remember the name) and watch the ceremony. Needless to say no work was done on that day. Ealing was a lovely place then. Most of us in Southall used to do our shopping on a Saturday at West Ealing, and it was heaving with people. Christmas especially was lovely to shop there. Happy days to look back on.
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• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2010
  the narrow pavement west ealing loads people saturdays and the busstops long queues heavy bags.........lady asking king edw hosp..were you in child ward...famous nursery rhyme tiles gone to ealing hospital.1979...photos on southallknowhere board photos

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2010
  1931 onwards the ealing broadway 355 trolleytram bus .....outside victoria wine shop.....trying to place the bit of uxbridge rd.......tall french style spire roof at corner..is it corner bond st..or curve of high st going off to south the right......

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2010
  just one of the photos on southallboard3........ealing etc

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2010
  think its looking west.feathers pub at right,ahead corner turning to station and abc cafe

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2010
  there was nat west bank on corner by feathers hence the elabourate building pointed spire roof....think....in photo.board3

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Feb-2010
  Hi to Kelly Sidkir
  
  Yes l was theere then and remember what they did to The Grange. I agree with all you say for whatever went on in those days, everyone was safe and knew they were. Now nobody does and I'm told its no longer safe to walk along te Broadway after 9p.m. any more. Why has this been allowed to happen??

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Mar-2010
  kelly I put reply on your comment 2 days after found yours you put towards bit unseen far end page...best wishes king edw west ealing iron gorge 10 tiles museum photos for you.best wishes

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Paul Hilling (Member 10056496) on 7-Dec-2010
  Well as I said before, name used to be Paul Monaghan, loved ealing and evrything about it, great friends, and met some of the all time great musicians, stones, the Who, Gino Washington and the Ram Jam Band. Tom (Tomcats) anyone remember them, drummer from the 1910 Fruitgum Company,
  anyone remember more, try me on paulhilling@rocketmail.com

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Dec-2010
  crackerjack group.band anybody know the 5 men....photo on southallknowher 26 photos board....and photo also on are you old face southall......all ealing etc memories 10 yrs members free..huge amount pges

• Re: Does ANYBODY read this board any more??? Is there anybody there?? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Apr-2011
  Paul Hilling as Paul Monaghan, Did you know Paul Dexter, Piers (& Jadger), folksinger Dave Saul etc??
  

• Re: Reward if found by Diane (Member 10239442) on 5-Aug-2009
  I have found my photos slides, Thanks if anybody look for them