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bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Feb-2011
After a brief leap back in time has anyone got any photo's of the above school, there was a shortage of camera's when i went there.looking forward to them already.many thanks in advance.   
  • Re: bishop Greer School. by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 17-Feb-2011
    Said hello to Gail for you John but sad to say I forgot your surname so it could have been any John! And I'm not even blonde. Still not written that book - reads enough of them though - or she did until had cataracts done end of last year, so still bit blurry. Will be at hers on Friday with your full name and ask if she has any photos for you. Cheers for now.

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 18-Feb-2011
    many thanks, I am John Carlton,used to live on borwell st,and peacock st. she was in my class along with,absa drameh,teresa mincion,sue pearson,eddie riley,billy young,etc,ect.she can find me on facebook,John G Carlton,mind there are two on there,im the one living in Mayo Ireland. take care. hope she remembers.

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 18-Feb-2011
    OK John - will pass on info. See you mentioned Eddie Riley in your post. Still see Eddie fairly regularly in the Wagon and Horses on Hyde Rd. His family lived opposite us at 1 Kirkham Ave and we were all big mates. Mrs. R had a family of 6 kids in a 3 bed semi but still never minded squeezing my sister and me in as well at weekends for a sleepover. No wonder we all knew each other well! Will sa... more >>

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 18-Feb-2011
    ok ta. Me and eddie knocked around together,with budgie ( jimmy ) pledger.still cant place you though.didnt his brother get run over, or summit? Take care.

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 18-Feb-2011
    John, Where abouts in Mayo do you live? My best mate Brian Hall(an old Gortonian) Lives in Newport, he's been there about 12 years now and would never come back to Manchester. We were over there 2 years ago on holiday, it realy is a beautiful part of the world.....Cheers... Chris.

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 18-Feb-2011
    claremorris,about35miles from Newport.Im 17mls from Knoock airport...Your mate lives in a nice neck of the woods..Good fishing grounds.Sorry but I would gladly swop it for Australian bush anyday, but thats another story..take care.

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 29-Mar-2011
    Does anyone know when Bishop Greer School opened and closed?
    Why was it closed so soon after being built?

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 29-Mar-2011
    It's a bit fuzzy now.But it was about 1965/6. I was one of the first in.Can remember a lot of teachers, even the caretaker Mr.Nicholson.He had 2 lads at the school George and ? see gone fuzzy again,haha. Sorry don't know why or when it closed. Anybody got any foto's for me???

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 29-Mar-2011
    I started at Bishop Greer in my 2nd year in 1969, having spent my first 18 months or so at Victoria Park (the lower school for Central High.) I had Bishop Greer as my 2nd choice of Comprehensive's when changing from Primary school (St Mark's.) And remember later wishing I had it as my first choice as the kids who would have started at Bishop Greer in September '67, got an extra 2 weeks extension o... more >>

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 29-Mar-2011
    Thanks for link about foto....it seems that this is the ONLY foto,in the whole world,haha have already received this one. come on you lot any more??

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 3-Apr-2011
    For Paul Hartley:
    Paul,
    It's funny you remembering Bennett Street Rec and Garland's Foundry.
    I was at St Marks' from 1952 to 1959 and we too used to be marched down to Bennett Street to play football there.
    The smell of the brook at the far side, and the noise from the steam hammer at the foundry made for an interesting backdrop.
    Last year I went to look at the site and it's now a small indus... more >>

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by louise (Member 10259968) on 4-Apr-2011
    what happened to val Linda Hilary Robert Brooks? Thanks I'm an old friend xxxxx

  • Re: bishop Greer School. by Graham Corbett (Member 10271490) on 9-Mar-2012
    I remember Bishop Greer being built. I lived at 344 Gorton Lane next to Alices toffee shop at the time. I think it was in or about 1966. Havent got a clue why it closed. I was at St James at the time it was opened, and thought that I would go there by default at age 11 like most of my class mates from St Jimmys did. As it happend I ended up going to Wright Robinson High School instead. I drove alo... more >>

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family trip to Belle vue by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 3-Feb-2011
I remember going to Belle vue with my mam and dad and my sister Maureen who is 4 years older than me. We were both very young and we were walking around the cages looking at the different animals . I remember there being crowds of people. We were running excitedly back and forth then quick as a flash my sister climbed into a cage, I just stood and watched as she walked down what looked like an em... more >>   
  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Feb-2011
    Dear All,
    Sad day today, February 6th 1958, it's the 53rd anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster when Manchester United's plane crashed in Germany killing many of the country's finest players.
    I remember playing for St Mark's School on Bennett Street Rec. a week later, when we all wore black armbands, and the City came to an absolute stand-still.
    John.

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 10-Feb-2011
    I remember the day clearly too. I was in our back kitchen being fitted for my Rosebud Queen dress when my Dad and Uncle Sid came in and were talking to Mum and Aunty Muriel about it - I would have been 7. I was meant to have gone up to bed but sat on the stairs earwigging because I knew something had happened. But by the next day I was back to being excited about my dress. Strange how clear that ... more >>

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 10-Feb-2011
    Carole, That's a lovely story, and funny, my dad cried too,
    John.

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 13-Feb-2011
    Memories Of Belle Vue. Does anyone remember the story of Indian Joe? He was a real American Red Indian who came over here in 1890 with Buffalo Bills wild west show! He married a girl from Gorton and worked in the elephant house at Belle Vue.Apparenly he was a natural with all the animals and a much respected animal trainer. The story goes that whilst the worst for drink one night he was crushed to... more >>

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Feb-2011
    Does anyone who lived on or around Cambert Lane in the 60's and 70's remember a girl called Lynn McKEOWN.
    Lynn started work around 1964 as a kennel maid at Belle Vue Greyhound Stadium on Kirkmanshulme Lane.
    She later married a lad who was Manager of a club on Oxford Road in the city.
    She had an older brother called Dave McKEOWN who went to work as a ski instructor at Aviemore in Scotland.
    Her ... more >>

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 13-Feb-2011
    think that pub was the Royal Oak..wasnt Shellie out of corrie st. summit to do with that pub.( dad owned it??? )

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 14-Feb-2011
    Jack Duckworth(Bill Tarmey)used to have the Royal Oak on Cross Lane

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 14-Feb-2011
    Sorry It was his son who had it

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 14-Feb-2011
    Re the Oak on Cross Lane it was Bill Tarmeys son who had it

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Feb-2011
    Thanks guys,
    My first wife was born round the corner from that pub, on Woodhouse Street, surname GARBETT, and her father Joe GARBETT was an electrician at the Direct Works Department off Ashton Old Road.
    Still looking for Lynn McKEOWN, my first really serious girlfriend.
    Cheers guys,
    John.

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 22-Feb-2011
    tony lindsey had the plough on hyde rd , his daugher is sally lindsey(shelley out of corrie)

  • Re: family trip to Belle vue by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 22-Feb-2011
    thaks I thought my little brain cells were failling me...I could just about remember summit about " Shellie " and a pub in that area. many thanks for sorting that out...Still no pickies of Bishop Greer School.!!!!!ANYONE.

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pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 3-Feb-2011
please put me out of my missery.... What was the name of the pubon the corner of Railway st, and Froxmere st. It was opposite gates of Beyer Peacocks may be clock tower?   
  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 3-Feb-2011
    John,
    The Steelworks Tavern?

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 4-Feb-2011
    naw mate sorry you got that wrong..steelworks was at bessemere st. near taylor st.... i was on about, if you go up gorton lane to the Vulcan ( monkey ) and turn left into froxmere st. go along there untill you could go no further, you had to turn right, into railway st. its on this corner there was a pub.... thats what i need the name of. many thanks in advance.

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 4-Feb-2011
    Sorry John.
    I have to admit that in all my years living in Gorton, I never ventured down there, but good luck mate, sorry I can't help on this one.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 4-Feb-2011
    it's been a while since i have been down that street to ( 40yrs ). If I remember Follows and Bates was down there to.many thanks anyway.

  • Re: pub name by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 5-Feb-2011
    I can only think of The Railway on Cornwall/Chapman Street. Froxmer Street ends at Railway St and you can either go left or right. If you go right you come onto Cornwall St, and the Railway pub is there. Is that the one?

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 5-Feb-2011
    sorry you got wrong one too. if you turned off Chapman/ Cornwall st. into railway st.you would go down to froxmere st. it was on this corner.that there was a pub. also some big gates into Beyer/Peacocks,must have been main gates as there was a type of tower at gates. going down railway st. there was a number of streets ,dead ends on your left on one of them you could cut thrugh to Kirkham / goring... more >>

  • Re: pub name by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 6-Feb-2011
    I am sure it was called the Railway - know there is pub of the same name on Chapman St opposite Railway St, but sure this one had same name. I have had this conversation with other friend a while ago and asked her Mum, now in her 80's, who used to live on Railway St and she said the same thing. Can remember my sister (now 57)having schoolfriend called Mary who I'm sure lived in that pub in the 60'... more >>

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 6-Feb-2011
    Hi Carol,you are quite right about the Railway Pub its still open after a fashion because its being turned into flats,we called the bridge that went over the railway The Birdcage i used to collect Train Numbers on there, oh memories!

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Feb-2011
    Harold,
    Spot on with the bridge's name, everyone who lived in Gorton in the 50's knew it as the Birdcage, just because it was enclosed all over in heavy wire, and not the Monkey Bridge.
    I am still struggling to remember this pub though.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 7-Feb-2011
    The Railway you are talking about Harold is the one on Chapman St which is in the process of being converted into flats. Had a few good sessions in there before it closed, especially one afternoon we called in for 1(!) after my sisters and I been to Cemetery for what would have been Mum's birthday. Raised a glass for her, her Mum, Dad, Brother, then the other Gran,Grandad, aunties, uncles etc etc ... more >>

  • Re: pub name by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 7-Feb-2011
    Just remembered also meant to ask where I'd got Monkey Bridge from - was that the bridge near Varna St School which ran over the canal??

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 7-Feb-2011
    good one isnt it,haha.. i remember the two sisters that lived in the pub,c1969ish. they also went to Bishop Greer.( Taylor st. )keep digging.

  • Re: pub name by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 7-Feb-2011
    John, I remember The Railway on Chapman St. opposite Railway street,Agreat little old style place ,. My mateBrian and me went in there 2 or 3 times a week around '69/'70. The landlord was called John as I remember,. he was a good bloke and if you drank splis like us you always got a good half in the pint pot along with your brown ale. His younger daughter was called Lisa but I can't remember the o... more >>

  • Re: pub name by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 7-Feb-2011
    By the way John, I have just thought. when I went in The Railway we used to let on to a young couple(obviously courting) in the room who seemed to be regulars like us! They always sat near the fire .She had fair ,longish hair and he was called John! wounder if that was you! My mate and me would line up all our empty brown ale bottles round the edge of the table during the night.,about 10 by the en... more >>

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 7-Feb-2011
    sorry Chris, cant help you. it was one of the few pubs i did not visit...i left gorton 1971,for pastures new. but after my mother lived in Beswick, she moved into Keary close.next to the Railway pub on Cornwall /Chapman st. I used to visit,even then i never went into that pub.... does anybody remember the little pathway that ran up near there that led over the canal onto lees st.? ?keep digging but thanks anyway.

  • Re: pub name by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 7-Feb-2011
    I remember the path well, when i was at st james we had to go to Varna St school for wood working and metal working classes so we used to use it as a short cut, go down the path and over the canal there was also a small reservoir next to path that was later filled in.
    Ive been making enquirers about the pub name but no success yet.

    Barrie

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 7-Feb-2011
    I think the pub near the Birdcage that you are all trying to remember is the Albion as mentioned in earlier posts by Alan Bowden on this website

  • Re: pub name by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 7-Feb-2011
    yes, Harold think you may be right....at last, now I can go to sleep.Thank you all for the trip. Another freebie down memory lane !!! now where was that?lol.

  • Re: pub name by mavis fluerty (Member 10062155) on 8-Feb-2011
    we also had to go to varna Street for cookery from All Saints, so had to go over the birdcage, there was a pub on the corner called the railway, also hugons was around there that made "Atora" Suet, I worked there in the offices after leaving school. Did anybody go by train to varna Street i know we got on at Belle Vue railway Staion but don't know where we got off!! Think it was near Lees Street s... more >>

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Feb-2011
    I always thought that HUGONS ATORA SUET WORKS was on the corner of Lees Street and Ashton Old Road, walking up Lees Street from Gorton, their large factory was on your right.
    On the opposite corner, on your left, was the Driving Test Centre where you booked and took your test.
    Anyone remember taking their driving test there?
    I took mine in 1963 in my Dad's new Singer Chamois saloon - he was ver... more >>

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Feb-2011
    Anyone remember a girl called Janet ELLOR, who went to Varna Street in the mid-60's?
    She lived on Gorton Lane near Peacocks' in her Dad's newsagents shop, and was a Girl Guide at St James' Church, and her brother Keith ELLOR was in the Church Lad's Brigade there too.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Feb-2011
    I did some research on the Internet, and there is an article that mentions Railway Street and Froxmer Street, and it confirms that the pub everyone has been talking about is definitely THE ALBION.
    If you Google (FROXMER STREET, GORTON, PUB), there is an interesting article on this area.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 9-Feb-2011
    Well done John, good bit of detecttive work there. I can stop scratching MY head now,- could`nt remember the name either

  • Re: pub name by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 9-Feb-2011
    That's solved a problem that's driven me mad for years. Unfortunately it also means my memory is even worse than I thought it was but never mind.

  • Re: pub name by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 9-Feb-2011
    Don`t worry Carole, we have all hit that wall at some stage. Can`t find my glasses after I put the damn things down 4 minutes ago

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 9-Feb-2011
    Hi John i remember the Ellors very well, Barbara,the eldest girl married Stewart Whelpton who was in charge of the CLB until i took over from him,and kieth was a member as you say,they all used to live in Goring Ave at one time,Janet was the youngest but i havnt heard of Keith or Janet for ages

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 9-Feb-2011
    Hi John re Hugons it was half up Ogden lane coming from Chapman ST,

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 9-Feb-2011
    Hi Harold,
    Thanks for remembering the Ellor family for me.
    Barbara did indeed marry into the WHELPTON family, and you are right, she was the eldest daughter.
    Keith was the middle son and was in the CLB, and Janet, the youngest, was my girlfriend for a few years in the 1960's when I lived on Cambert Lane.
    Their Dad was a Policeman in the old Manchester City Police who retired, and who then bou... more >>

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Feb-2011
    Harold,
    I replied to an earlier entry on another page about Barbara Rossington from Cambert Lane, and St James' Choir.
    Let me know if I remembered the names you mentioned, and I named a few other people I remembered like Les Beswick.
    Canon Lewis, what a character he was, and Mrs Lewis was a real lady, a lovely person.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 12-Feb-2011
    Hi John. Just noticed a name you mentioned here.- Les Beswick. Do you know if he had a sweet and tobacco shop on Chapman St., on the other side from Highmesd St?.

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy,
    I think you may be right, but I am not 100% sure and will contact our kid in Tyldesley and double check.
    Les was a tenor with a great voice and was a leading light in the choir at St James'.
    Will get back to you on that one mate.
    John.

  • Re: pub name by Alan Bowden (Member 10251584) on 12-Feb-2011
    C#mon you Gorton people wats wrong with your merories the pub was called the Albion, a Groves and Witnall pub, just on the corner like the man said
    my mam and dad used to drink in there

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Feb-2011
    For Roy COX:
    Roy,
    Have spoken at length with our kid, and we don't think that Les Beswick from the choir had a sweet shop on Chapman Street.
    We both think he lived on Gorton Lane.
    There was also a father and son, whose name we can't remember that lived on Gorton Lane, just on that block of houses that was opposite the Conservative Club or almost opposite the Post Office?
    Dad was a Churchwarde... more >>

  • Re: pub name by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 13-Feb-2011
    Thanks for that John, obviously another Les Beswick. Had he been the same one, he would have been married to my cousin. Thanks again for your time. Keep in touch, Cheers.

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 14-Feb-2011
    Hi all, Les Beswick who had the sweet shop on Chapman St was also in the choir at St JAMES CHURCH he was also the Verger at the time when i was Church Warden and a member of the Church Council,his son Paul was a member of the CLB,i joined the CLB in 1948 when Mr Woodward was the vicar,sadly Les died a few years ago he was a gentleman

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Feb-2011
    Harold,
    That's really sad.
    Les was indeed a gentleman, a very nice guy who I never heard have a bad word for anyone, a very genuine and kind man.
    When I left Gorton in late 1970 to live in Denton, Les would have still been in the choir.
    Sad news, but thanks for letting me know Harold, I will need to let Roy know that Les DID have the sweet shop he mentioned earlier (sorry Roy).
    John.

  • Re: pub name by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 15-Feb-2011
    Hello John. Many thanks to you and Harold Wood re the info on Les Beswick. It has to be the same person as I remember him as indeed a gentleman, quiet spoken and a good living chap. There was a son Paul, and his wife Evelyn was my cousin. she had a sister Margaret, and their Mother was my Mother`s sister in law. they once lived in Crowther St off Highmead St. I spent a lot of time around therein t... more >>

  • Re: pub name by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 17-Feb-2011
    For Harold WOOD:
    Harold,
    My brother Chris remembered the name of the Churchwarden who lived on Gorton Lane and who was a very smart gentleman, always dressed in a smart striped suite - his name was Mr DEAN, and his son was called Peter DEAN, who I think was in the CLB.
    Does he ring a bell mate?
    John.

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 19-Feb-2011
    Hi Chris yes i do remember the Deans,Harry the father was indeed a church warden at St James and Peter and David were in the CLB along with the Bates boys Roy and Alan who were neighbors,they lived in the row of houses on Gorton Lane along with the Williams whose father was a Chimney Sweep the best in Gorton,also on that row was the outdoor beer licence run by a chap called Nelson Clark,you could ... more >>

  • Re: pub name by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 19-Feb-2011
    Harrold, Spot on mate ,well remembered!

  • Re: pub name by julie (Member 10255407) on 19-Feb-2011
    Harold , Chris , has the Roy and Alan Bates that you knew got or had a brother Gordon Bates think the father might have been called George and mother Annie ? julie

  • Re: pub name by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 19-Feb-2011
    Julie, Re: the Bates family, I only vaguely remember Alan and none of his family. Sorry I can't help Julie...Regards...Chris. H.

  • Re: pub name by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 23-Feb-2011
    For Julie
    Hi Julie the Bates who lived on Gorton Lane never had a brother there was only Roy and Alan i am still in touch with both of them Roy still lives in Manchester and Alan lives in Leek along with myself and two more lads Tommy & Joe we formed the All STAR SKIFFLE Group and played at the Follows and Bates Working Mens Club round about 1956 thats ages ago LOL Harold

  • Re: pub name by Bill Saxton (Member 10260560) on 25-Apr-2011
    I think you'll find that the Albion on Aberdour St was a Threlfall's house. It certainly was in the 60s

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Kelsall street Chapel by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 29-Jan-2011
Can anyone remember the name of the small chapel which stood at the beginning of Kelsall street until about 1980?,   
  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 29-Jan-2011
    Diane,
    If its the one on Clowes Street, it was called the Union Chapel.
    I lived opposite at No.126 but wasc born at No.124 next door,
    John.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Dianne,

    If you faced the Union Chapel, Hyde Road was down to your left and Gorton Lane and the Gorton Library would be to your right.
    Behind your right shoulder was Flockton's the Haberdashers, who sold all things like drapers shops did in those days.
    Flockton's was on the corner of Clowes Street and Elizabeth Street.
    Looking to the right of the Union Chapel, on the corner of Clowes Street a... more >>

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 30-Jan-2011
    Hello John, thank's for the detailed description,
    I lived on Kelsall street and attended Thomas st prrimary/juniors. There was a chapel opp my house but I don't think it was the Union chapel, this one had black railings.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Diane,
    According to my street map, there was a Sunday School located immediately behind the Union Chapel on Kelsall Street, and the building went right down to Thomas Street, could that be the building?
    There was nothing else on that side of Kelsall Street, and just a row of houses opposite.
    Hope this helps?
    John.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Diane,
    I see that the site is now occupied by a two-storey block of flats bristling with CCTV cameras.
    Times change.
    Where did you move to and what do you now?
    John.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 30-Jan-2011
    excellent ! It was opposite my house, just wish I knew the name, at the moment I work on my blog, paint and compute. Do you have an email address? I can send you the link if you like. I painted a mural last year and I spelt Clowes street as Clewes st as it is how I remember it being spelt, I recently found a blog by a guy called Ron who also remembers it that way, do you? thank you for your detective work.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 31-Jan-2011
    Diane,
    My email adddress is:
    j.holmes47@sky.com
    Wouldlove to see your work, but cannot recall "Clewes", but that is definitely how it was pronounced when I lived there (1947-1960).
    Cheers,
    John.

  • Re: Kelsall street Chapel by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 12-Feb-2011
    Hello John, I was wondering if you recieved the link I sent you also, I read a post by Neil Clanachan on another page which I now cannot find saying he had a photo of Thomas street panto, i would love to see this as I went to some panto's there but don't remeber much about them anymore.Regards, Diane. For any other Thomas streeters I have a class photo from about 1965/66 if anyone would like a copy.

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Local Characters. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 27-Jan-2011
Does anyone remember seeing any of these people that were once around, I wonder what became of them all.?

There was a "Scotsman" that always wore a kilt and carried a big brown transistor radio, he could be seen walking for miles along Hyde Road / Mount Road alot in the 60's and 70's. I also remember seeing him walking through the Hazel Grove area on route to Manchester at times.

Someone we ... more >>
  
  • Re: Local Characters. by julie (Member 10255407) on 27-Jan-2011
    Hi I do remember the chap on the pushbike weaving in and out of traffic and shouting at the other road users.
    I remember he used to wear Goggles and sometime a flyers hat he used to look comical.
    Us kids used to run like mad when he came near us as he would shout on top note for us TO GET OUT OF THE BLOODY ROAD ... Julie

  • Re: Local Characters. by julie (Member 10255407) on 27-Jan-2011
    Saddler I think he was the wag man used to go round on a pushbike ( hence the name )checking to see that the kids went to school

  • Re: Local Characters. by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 27-Jan-2011
    Yes i remember both of them now, also the crazy woman going up and down hyde rd i think they called her "gaga" or something like that

    Barrie

  • Re: Local Characters. by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 28-Jan-2011
    If its the lady i think you refer to, we used to call her Wiggy she used to sit down where she could talking away to herself.
    The man in the kilt carrying the radio was very often over in Hyde, not a bad walk from Gorton.
    Dave

  • Re: Local Characters. by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 28-Jan-2011
    I remember both characters. You wouldn't give cheek to the Scotsman in the kilt because he was a big fella. Saw him drinking in the pubs in Denton on his travels. That radio was very big, but they didn't have micro-technology in those days. I remember Mad Paddy on his children's bike going up and down Stockport Road shaking his fist and ringing his bell. I saw him one night in the Irish club in Le... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 28-Jan-2011
    re - poor souls
    there was a guy who used to wander around Holdsworth Square, Reddish. in the early 70's looking for his MUM. he used to call into the shops and ask everyone. poor sod...I think it may have been shell shock.

  • Re: Local Characters. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Jan-2011
    There was a bloke who walked around Clowes Street in the early 50's, carrying a plastic baby doll that he talked to all day long.
    My mother told me that he had a baby that died years before, and it had unhinged his mind.
    What a terrible thing, but kids (in their ignorance) used to laugh at him, but he just tucked the doll into his coat and walked away.
    Poor, poor man.

    John

  • Re: Local Characters. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 10-Feb-2011
    paul, just been reading back pages of this site, you say you went to Bishop Greer. who was your form teacher? I was in at the start of the new school to.Miss Warburton.mmmmmmmm then I had jack Hewitt.What a great influence on me ,good guy.you remember any of the old teachers?

  • Re: Local Characters. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 10-Feb-2011
    Hi John, I started at Bishop Greer part way through as a 2nd year, Mrs Smith was our Form Teacher at first, she taught English & Needlework next to the French room, (can you remember the woman French teachers name.) Then we had Mr Simpson the History teacher for both our 3rd and 4th years. Jack Hewitt was one of my favourite teachers there, I remember him telling us in one of his Geography classe... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 10-Feb-2011
    Hi there Paul,. The maths teacher you mentioned in your list ( Mr Cornish ) was my maths teacher at Openshaw Tech back in '66. He must have left there in '67/'68 when O.T. closed down. His nickname was "The nasty pastie" he was brutal with the homework! Regards... Chris.

  • Re: Local Characters. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 10-Feb-2011
    John... something has just come to mind about Mr Cornish. I'd forgot till now, how he could draw perfect circles freehand on the blackboard.

  • Re: Local Characters. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 10-Feb-2011
    Sorry Chris I've just noticed your reply... Mr Cornish did tell us he had come from Openshaw Tech previously, but till you mentioned it, it had skipped my mind.

  • Re: Local Characters. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 11-Feb-2011
    8/10 for effort,hahafrench teacher was miss banks,deputy head was mr. pickford. I sat him on his arse when playing 5 aside against the teachers(he was supposed to have played for under 21 england? at some stage) boy did I pay for that one....later on he knocked me out cold,I awoke with a crowd round me off the pitch,couldnt do that these days and nowt else was said about it.Metal work teacher was ... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 11-Feb-2011
    Hi Chris, some of the teachers at OT when i was there was, Alf Mayfield PE replaced by Mr Harrison, Nev Bowne Science, Mr Lilley English.
    Do you remember the German teacher Mr Tongue who was killed during the summer holidays (car crash in Germany)He was replaced by Mr Chimalezski.
    I didn't do my Tech Drawing homework one night and received the strap from Seth Adams on my backside. The class was ... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 11-Feb-2011
    Dave, Remember all those teachers well.I had them for the same subjects. Mr Lilley had a real bad reputation but he was great with me and another lad called Keith Thorpe because we had an interest in english litt. Mr. Tongue was a distant relative of one lad in our class, he wasn't a bad bloke,shame how his career ended. Old Mr. Chimelewski, I think we drove him round the bend eventually, and Seth... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 11-Feb-2011
    I took my 11-plus at Openshaw Tech in 1958.
    Our kid (above) was still at St Marks' at that time.
    However, I made several trips to the School Clinic next door, it was staffed by butchers who used to gag you with a black rubber face mask (it made you look like a bomber pilot from The Dambusters), before yanking your teeth out with pliers.
    Anyone else have a bad experience there?

  • Re: Local Characters. by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 11-Feb-2011
    Me too. I think they used to give you 'gas', hence the rubber mask. Rumour has it they used to pull teeth out rather than fill them because they got paid more for an extraction than a filling.

  • Re: Local Characters. by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 11-Feb-2011
    I was taken there as a kid once whilst at Thomas St and the gas mask experience was that bad I didnt go to a dentist again for about ten years. I can still recall the sickly rubber smell. Think the dentist was on Hyde Rd up past Belle Vue towards Gorton Cross St. There was a big Cycle shop thereabouts.

  • Re: Local Characters. by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 12-Feb-2011
    Neil, The cycle shop on Hyde road was called Cowans Cycles, And I heard the then famous cycleist "REG Harris" bought several bikes and equipment there. The dentist was about two blocks farther on and as someone said earlier a filling was out of the question, it was extraction or nothing! In fact I had 2 of my second back teeth taken out there before I was 13. The terrible smell of that rubber mask... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 12-Feb-2011
    The dentist was called Suttcliffe's, I remember having 6 of my 2nd lot of teeth taken out there at the age of 14 !!
    That sounds about right Kate that they would rather remove teeth than fill them, my first memory of going to a dentist was one on Ashton Old Rd near Ashbury's Goods Yard. I thought it was a bargain to have a tooth removed at the age of 7 then receive a 2/-6d catapult in return from my gran !!

  • Re: Local Characters. by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 12-Feb-2011
    ahhh !!! the dredded school dentist that one near OTech. was there aconnection?? as there was a bike shop near that place to.Arrowsmiths.What about the dentist school,I got parted with 7 of mine in there.!!!

  • Re: Local Characters. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Feb-2011
    You are all spot on, it was like a conveyor belt at the school clinic.
    I remember walking out after having had a tooth pulled and seeing lines of kids throwing up outside, what a frightener!

  • Re: Local Characters. by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 14-Feb-2011
    Chris, i was in the year after you as i left in 67. Mr Lilley was a great character and had a wicked sense of humour. He was our form master one year and he said we had to vote for a class captain i unfortunately was voted for and then he revealed that if the class did not behave it was the responsibility of the class captain and therefor he had to receive any punishment handed out.Which i did on... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 14-Feb-2011
    Dave, I never heard about that accident until now. That is tragic ,especially as he was alone, though I'm sure Joe ,the caretaker, would have been somewhere because he was around till 7pm. The only teachers I remember in that department were Mr. Adams..Mr. Wood.. and Mr. Mellor. However he could have been one who started there after I left in '66...No health and safety rules though in those days, ... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 15-Mar-2011
    Anyone remember Vernon from early to mid 70's? He used to hang around Gorton Far Lane area. He was aged in mid 20's, and used to hang about with kids half his age, always trying to impress with fairy tales such as he had a fortune buried somewhere. He was a bit cross-eyed or had lost sight in one eye, and had typically long and curly hair for the time, and I think (hope) he was harmless. He would ... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Mary Clarke (Twin of Magaret) (Member 10227220) on 15-Mar-2011
    Both my husband and me were brought up in West Gorton so we knew the same people almost, we both knew Vernon, all kids our age did, you discribed well, yes I too think he was harmless. it was a shame to lugh at him, but that's kids for you, he used to go round with a shovel and spade collecting horse much, and there was plenty on the roads in them days, I remember one such instance when a gang of ... more >>

  • Re: Local Characters. by Mary Clarke (Twin of Magaret) (Member 10227220) on 15-Mar-2011
    sorry for typing errors but you'll know what i mean

  • Re: Local Characters. by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 16-Mar-2011
    Good for him. I always thought he was ok.

  • Re: Local Characters. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 29-Mar-2011
    Tommy SPEED ran a one-man business chopping and bundling fire-wood at the rear of the old Gorton Labour Club (known as Tilley's Yard) on William Street off Clowes Street.
    He wore an old worn suit, flat cap, neckerchief and gold-rimmed glasses too small for his face.
    He pushed his handcart full of fire-wood all over West Gorton and Ardwick for many many years.

  • Re: Local Characters. by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Apr-2011
    Mrs MAW, or it could have been Mrs MAWER, ran an out-door-beer-licence on Clowes Street, opposite the Union Chapel, just past FLOCKTON's draper's shop.
    It was a shop where you could buy white jugs of foaming beer (carried home by wives for the "old man", but for us kids it was where you could buy Dandelion and Burdock, Soda Water and Sasperilla.
    In all the years I went in there when I lived on C... more >>

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Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
I bought my first car in 1968, from an ex-Royal Marine Commando called Bill DOBSON, a Policeman who lived in the Police Houses built on Hyde Road directly opposite Debdale Park.
It was a white Austin Mini, (PCS 27) and cost me £40.
I bought my petrol from the Esso Garage on Hyde Road, Gorton (opposite Rowsley Street), and it was 6/8d a gallon, three gallons for a £1.
At that time, 45 rpm reco... more >>
  
  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
    My late Dad bought his first car in 1955, when we lived on Clowes Street, West Gorton.
    I was seven and my brother Christopher was five.
    It was a 1936 Vauxhall 12, black, with outside running-boards, leather seats, pull-down silk blinds inside and a starting handle.
    It cost him £20, but was a liability.
    There are very few now in existence, and they are worth an absolute fortune.
    I remember th... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi All
    I have just had a browse on the Manchester message boeard and to perhaps leave a post searching for family menbers.
    I could not believe my eyes what I was reading I am quite broad minded but this site is a disgrace I only read half way down the first page.
    Just shows you how the Gortonians and surrounding areas differ in their morals ... sorry had to get it off my chest .... Julie

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Sorry that was meant to say Board

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 14-Jan-2011
    It's not just the Manchester one Julie. It's nearly all of them. I think the Gorton one is the most 'respectable' one and also the most interesting and informative one I've come across and I'm very proud to say this as someone who comes from West Gorton.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi Kate , thanks for that I am quite new to this site but I agree it is a lovely site to be involved in, I dont think I have come across any rudeness on here.
    So your from West Gorton, are you still there what School did you go to and how old are you , you can give or take a few years if you want, just might know one or two mutual friends, though I lived on Suttons Estate off Mount Road... Julie

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 14-Jan-2011
    hi Julie,
    Went to Thomas St primary then Central High for Girls. Don't live there anymore, left about 1965 but if it was there like it was in the 50's and 60's I would go back tomorrow. I'm quite a bit older than you so I don't think you know any of the names I mentioned.

    Didn't the Sutton estate have it's own little park? I seem to remember going there.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi yes it did have its own park , was small but a great meeting place.
    I used to go on it every day we used to have a dog called Bonzo and he used to come down the slide with all the kids the kids loved him
    No Gorton is not like it used to be sadly once they knocked down all the houses etc they also knocked the the community and its values
    Most famlies were working families not a lot of money b... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
    Julie,
    Where is the site you mentioned, and how do you access it?
    Like you, I wanted to leave a message to try and trace old pals.
    John.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
    Julie,
    I found it, and agree with you.
    I left a message for old mates, just in case.
    However, the site looks like it's for morons, and thanks for the warning.
    John.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi John , glad you found it, I left a message too , On the Manchester knowhere site you are already a member just like this one which took me by surprise but yes its a disgrace ... julie

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie, I went to Thomas st too. What years were you there and what are your memories?

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi Neil,
    It was me who went to Thomas St school and not Julie. I left in 1959. I will never forget the head teacher, the larger than life Mr Evans who somehow managed to inspire us to achieve something in our lives. I also remember getting the strap off Mrs McCall(Ouch).
    Somebody has mentioned about making slides when it was icy. We did in the playground,don't think kids are allowed to these da... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi all, wasn't there a school dinner making place on Crossley st, Gorton. opposit the G.P.O. GARAGES, and also a radiator makers...forgot the name now. as kids (mid 1960's ) we used to have our dirt track on the same site, it was our belle vue aces. but with ramps. poor push bikes. if they didn.t get broke it was us.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011

    Hi John,

    You are spot on with the school dinner canteen being in Peacock Street School in Gorton.
    My brother Chris and I went to St Marks' on Clowes Street, West Gorton, and we were bussed to Peacock Street for dinners.
    We were quite poor I suppose, and the hot meal at dinner-time was a r... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi John , just had some info on my search for family members
    I do believe that Veronica did have the Three Arrows pub Hyde Road in the 50's but I have heard that she married a man called Ray and they together had the pub Ray I dont know his sur name but Theresa is their eldest and then went on to have 2 sons one might be called Anthony though not sure of that they all will be in mid 50's now perh... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Jan-2011
    yes john holmes...you were right.H.O. SERCS.I remember now.I got run over on crossley st. by a morris van (GPO )then about a year later I got run over again at the corner of Froxmere st, by a 3 wheel scammel ( railway wagon ) but managed to survive.....so far.thanks

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    John,
    Was someone out to get you?
    Talk about having two lucky escapes mate.
    One thing I remember about Peacock Street School was that it had iron railings right along the front, and I remember it because St Marks' where me and our kid went had a high brick wall all around it.
    A friend of mine who was at Manchester Central Grammar School was a lad called Dave FISHBURN who lived on Victoria Road... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    Julie,
    It was David HUGHES who I heard had married the daughter of the licensee of the Three Arrows, and that he moved with his new wife to Fallowfield.
    Have a look under Blue Pig and Three Arrows dated 31st December 2010.
    You mentioned my surname instead of HUGHES earlier today (above), but that's all I know.
    I wish you could get a break with your search.
    Take care Julie,
    John.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    SUCCESS AT LAST:
    For the last TEN years I have been trying, on this site and others, to trace a lad called Tony LATHAM who was at St Marks' Infants School in West Gorton with my brother Christopher and I.
    I last saw him almost 50 (yes FIFTY) years ago, in 1960, and have not spoken to him since.
    I got a phone call at home from him tonight, and we spent an hour chatting about the old days, it was... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Jan-2011
    sorry to contradict you but I was talking about the school dinner place on CROSSLEY STREET. but yes it was a post office van. it was totally my fault. like snooker...in off the green. light scuffs. again with the scammel same result...in off the yellow.haha....that was my Cristmas pressie i was out on it before xmas...parents were out,probably gorton labour club. no more pressies for me that year... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi John thanks for your message and to apologise for the wrong name.
    So you really think that it was for sure David Hughes that married Theresa Clarke clarke being Theresa's maiden name.
    I have searched the electoral roll and the online phonebook but no luck.
    The only D hughes on the electoral roll in fallowfield his wife is not called Theresa and his name is not called David hughes though he ... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    So what I have now is Veronica Clarke ( nee Smith
    married to Ray or Raymond Clarke
    licensee's Three Arrows pub..... Blue pig
    Daughter Theresa married to David Hughes

    John I think I am progressing if only slightly but its something, I have Theresa's m... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 16-Jan-2011
    Sorry Kate. Mr Evans was a lovely man. His daughter Lucy was at the school then. I remember Mr McCall. Was she the art teacher? I was put in charge of the reptile tank in the science class and my job was to put loads of maggots in to hatch as flies as food for the lizards. One friday I forgot to close the tank door and when the classroom was opened on monday the hall was flooded with flies. I got ... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Jan-2011
    Julie,

    I have tried to find the lad who gave me the name HUGHES as the husband of the daughter from the Three Arrows, but I just can't trace him at all.
    I am sure that's the name he gave me, but perhaps he was mistaken, because he knew something I didn't and I can't check it, really sorry.
    There is one thing you could try, and it's a long shot - why not consider writing a letter to the Gorton... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 16-Jan-2011
    Hi John
    thanks again , thats a great idea I will do that for sure I will see what this week brings as I intend to phone numbers out of the phone book name Hughes instead of just sticking to one area, they could have moved several time themselves so I will start the ringing tomorrow.
    In advance if anyone with the name Hughes on here recieves a call asking if they know a Theresa I do apologise i... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    For Irene DUNN:
    London Radio Call-Sign:-
    Irene,
    I may have misled you some weeks ago, and I have done some research:
    The call-sign for London during the Second World War was L20, first transmitted on 11th May 1922 from the Strand in London, and it continued to be used during WW2, but by then the BBC was transmitting from Boadcasting House.
    Sorry for the error Irene,
    John.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Done it AGAIN - it should be 2LO, can I repeat that, it's 2LO.
    Really sorry for the confusion, a real grey moment,
    John.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hi , I am just trying to locate the famous Gorton Monastery.
    Was it off Hyde Road near Bennett st or was it the other end going towards Gorton Cross st(towards Denton ) if it was under the bridge Bennett st then I got a glimps of it yesrterday and got quite excited.
    If thats not it then I saw a rather grand looking church like building, you could see its history

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 26-Jan-2011
    its on gorton lane between bessemer st crossley st and bellevue st, cant miss it

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Thankyou Danny , so its the end towards Ardwick then I take it
    I was doing a home visit in that area yesterday and it has changed so much since I lived there in the 60/70's
    Housing estate there now but I went under the bridge just off Hyde Road onto the housing estate and I got a glimps that look like it could be... julie

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hiya Julie,
    The church under Bennett St bridge must have been St Benedict's, it was turned into some kind of indoor rope climbing centre about 8 years ago, click on the link below, was this the one?

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Manchester+M12&aq=3&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.478806,43.110352&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Manchester+M12,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.469469,-2.2... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hiya Danny, yes you are right it was St Benedicts thanks for the link, got excited for nothing then , mind you St Benedicts I sopose in its day was rather grand , thanks I have an idea where the Monastery is now .... Julie
    ps) you dont know of a lady named Theresa Hughes maiden name Clarke she was the daughter of Veronica and Ray who had the Three Arrows on Hyde Road do you , I am trying to trac... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 26-Jan-2011
    I've just found you have to "copy and paste" these links to get them to show.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Yes done that , so you are a Gortonian then .... good on you

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 16-Mar-2011

    Hi John,

    You are spot on with the school dinner canteen being in Peacock Street School in Gorton.
    My brother Chris and I went to St Marks' on Clowes Street, West Gorton, and we were bussed to Peacock Street for dinners.
    We were quite poor I suppose, and the hot meal at dinner-ti... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 16-Mar-2011
    # John.

    # Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Done it AGAIN - it should be 2LO, can I repeat that, it's 2LO.
    Really sorry for the confusion, a real grey momen... more >>

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Mar-2011
    Irene, It's always great to hear from you.
    Keep the memories flowing honey, John.xx.

  • Re: Garages, Cars and Petrol Prices by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Apr-2011
    Does anyone remember when some cars were started by a starting handle, and others by a pull-out knob without needing an ignition key?
    Can you imagine that today?
    The "scallies" would have a field day nicking cars.

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When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 9-Jan-2011
It's been buggin me for ages to know when this took place and the cause of it, all I knew was I was in my 1st year at Victoria Park Comprehensive so I knew it must have been in 1968. Then doing an internet search last week I found this article.

http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30379&posts=6

Do many of you out there have any stories of how you remember the day... more >>
  
  • Re: When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by julie (Member 10255407) on 9-Jan-2011
    Hi
    Anyone know how to remove a thread off here if its no longer required , thanks

  • Re: When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 10-Jan-2011
    after bunking off school (bishop greer ) me and my mate budgie pledger went to peter pan park, and walked through to go to lees st. Near Strand Electrics. when it went black.... house in one of them terreces was struck by lightning....soon made for home soaked.. only to be met by my stepfather...but thats another story

  • Re: When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 10-Jan-2011
    when the rain stopped and eventually dried out everything was covered in a red sand...it had come from the Sahara desert....according to bob grieves ,haha.

  • Re: When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 10-Jan-2011
    thanks for the memory... I remember the RED glow on my ears and backside after my stepfather told my mum....couldn't sit for days. and had a nervous ducking twitch every time mum raised her arm,hahaha.the good old days wish I was there now.

  • Re: When mid day turned dark. (2nd July '68) by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 19-Jan-2011
    I remember this day at Gorton Mount. Miss Smith the headmistress came round the classes to advise teachers she had received a phone call that there was a severe storm approaching. I think we were sent home (probably so the school would avoid any liability while we were in their care). The sky was very black.

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Handfulls of money !!! by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 7-Jan-2011
Thinking back to just the early 60's it was common place for men to walk out of a pub "merry" on Saturday or Sunday afternoons, and handout a handfull of loose change to some small kid walking by. Comparing earnings from back then to the present day, that loose change must have still been a fair amount back then. Easily enough for fish & chips or another pint wouldn't you say ? I heared of someone... more >>   
  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    I can remember on May day dancing around a pole with ribbons on it , it was never rehearsed so we all ended up tangled
    We used to perform this outside various pubs as the gentlemen were ready to hand over their lose change .. julie

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 8-Jan-2011
    Not only was it a problem holding your trousers up with a pocket full of pennies, halfpennies, tanners and half crowns, I recall there was limit to how much the bus guards would take in pennies for a fare. A shilling I think (twelve coins). You'd make sure you had enough other denominations to pay, which in turn would create more coins in change to further over-strain your belt!

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Jan-2011
    Paul/Julie/Neil,
    Can you remember "fishing" for coins that had fallen down "grids" or "grilles" that were to be found outside terraced houses and shops.
    The usual method was to use a six foot cane with the end split, and bound round with a rubber band.
    The jaws were held open with a matchstick until they (hopefully) snapped shut over a dropped coin, allowing it to be carefully pulled out.
    Unf... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 8-Jan-2011
    too scientific for us John. A thin stick with a bit of spogger (chewing gum) on the end. Never worked that well tho.

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 9-Jan-2011
    HEY GIRLS
    Do you remember the ball in the stocking game
    a small rubber ball in a stocking and you would hit the wall with it, above your head , under your arm , between your legs with your dress tucked in the leg of your Knickers.
    French skipping another one, rubber bands 100's of them fastened together .
    Shown my daughter the other day she is 26 how to play them ( she looked at me as though I... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 9-Jan-2011
    Have a cigarette sir
    No sir
    Why sir
    coz I got a cold sir
    Do you remember ?

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 9-Jan-2011
    Dear All,
    What about making "bogies", those speedy four-wheeled carts that some kids became experts at making, whilst others developed legs like Bobby Charlton, caused by pushing them for miles.
    We can all remember the construction:
    One or two long planks fastened together by cross-pieces, two larger pram wheels (plus their axle) nailed underneath the back, a cross-piece fastened by a centrally... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 9-Jan-2011
    not to mention when the pole slipped from it's block and went ....... OUCH! i can still feel it.

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 9-Jan-2011
    During the christmas week there was a tv programme it was either 100 or 50 best toys of our time it came up with all those favourites
    i.e Mechano, Tonka trucks if you was lucky enough to have one.
    They even had the home made bogie and what they did they got some kids to build one out of pram wheels etc and there was two teams a boys team and a girls team.
    They had to make a bogie and then put... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 11-Jan-2011
    Does anyone know why they were called bogies? Was it anything to do with the small wheels of a train?

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 11-Jan-2011
    A Bogie ( bogey ) is a Scottish name for homemade cart with no engine, no brakes and no steering as such tee hee
    according to Jeeves

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Jan-2011
    A bogie is also the name given to a four-wheeled steering arrangement on long railway waggons, usually one bogie at the front and one at the back, designed to allow long carriages (bogie bolsters) more easily to negotiate long sharp bends in a railway track.
    They are still used on all the world's railways today.

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 12-Jan-2011
    Hi Guys. I once made a fire engine bogie that carried a huge amount of jam jars filled with water. Id stand on the dustbin in the back yard and scour the surroundings for incendiaries. One day my attention was drawn to a huge black cloud in the sky. Rushing to the corner at Hyde rd I was met with the sight of a distant Pauldens store in town which was well alight.
    Can you imagine the excitement o... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011
    Neill,
    What a hero!
    Despite some initial design set-backs (small back-yard door, wide bogie) your public-spirited intentions are really commendable.
    Love the idea of the jam-jars, an idea surprisingly not adopted by the Manchester Fire Brigade, but like you say, what imagination.
    We never ran out of ideas, we just ran out of time.
    Wish I had seen the result, what a great sight your bogie must... more >>

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    It's confession time.
    Am I the only one who still looks at the wheels on a passing pram or trolley being pushed along the pavements and thinks: "now THEY would make a really good bogie"
    Forget it, it's just me!
    John.

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by julie (Member 10255407) on 21-Jan-2011
    Well you can keep your eye off my vintage Silvercross pram worth a small fortune, and to think that we were glad to get rid back then

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    Brilliant Julie, hang on to it, great to hear you,
    John.

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 28-Feb-2011
    I remember the first US soldier to walk down Victoria Rd about 1946-47 we all ran after him shouting "GIVE US SOME GUM CHUM" and they nearly always did Harold

  • Re: Handfulls of money !!! by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Feb-2011
    Harold, my Dad used to tell me a similar story about kids asking GI's for gum.
    He also saw US Military Police called Snowdrops (because of their white steel helmets), breaking up fights at the Palm Court, Belle Vue between GI's and British squaddies, ably supported by Gorton's scally's - great memories they must be Harold.

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OLD FRIENDS by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 5-Jan-2011
Has anybody heard of the following Ernie Butterworth,Doug Hallet,Barry Smith(played football for Man U Youth team)they all lived in Taylor St or Casson St   
  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 5-Jan-2011
    David Cooke ( Mum Kath Ward, Dad Roy Cooke)
    I have left you a message on your post ( Sivory's
    that you left , just in case you have not noticed it , thanks Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 5-Jan-2011
    Our Lady and St Thomas's Church on Mount Road Gorton, Comming from Bellvue end on the left hand side just passed the Mount pub but before you got to Mellands playing fields was this Church.
    The Father there was Father John ( I think he walked with a limp )
    All the kids on suttons Estate used to call him Father Rip Rap ( how disrespectful ) I never understood why he was nic named this perhaps som... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hello there Harold, RE: Ernie Butterworth: The butterworth family live just behind me in the first road on the right off Taylor street(from Cambert La.)A short cul-de-sac ,cobbled ,only 12 houses or so. Sorry can't remember it's name.Ernie married my best mates cousin and shortly after moved to Dallas Texas USA.His wifes parents visited them yearly. They were still there up to a few years ago. I'l... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hello Bro,
    It was Rigg Street,
    Bro John.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 7-Jan-2011
    Hello Julie, re: your post on Father John and Our Lady's church, I have looked for this church online but cannot find it, do you have further details, also is the suttons estate the one by Gorton park/abbey hey ?, I lived in West Gorton early 60's and I am trying to find lost friends from this area and period of time, many thanks

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    Hiya
    Comming from top end of Mount road walking down towards Levenshulme.
    On the lefthand side used to be a few shops further on you would come to a pub called the Mount( still on the left ) this was on the corner of Mount Road / Darras Road.
    This was the start of Suttons Esate if you continued on Mount Road the Church was also on the left the one I wrote about.
    Suttons Esate was all on the le... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by harold wood (Member 10209840) on 8-Jan-2011
    Hi mate thanks for the info on Ernie i remember Rigg ST now another mate was Jack Rosenfield Cheers Harold

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie. I remember St Thomas`s church on Mount road very well. I used to attend there as a youngster as I lived just a few minutes away in Second Ave. I was a member of the choir there, and attended scout and youth club meetings as well.You mention "Father Rip Rap",- even my grandmother came out with that title as I recall. where it came from is a mystery. we had so much fun in the wooden hut ne... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy , thanks for your message
    I lived on Suttons estate on sutton road to be more precise
    2nd Avenue was that behind the houses on Mount rd opposite the church.
    I left Suttons age 18 and then moved to West Gorton just off Bennett Street but moved from there after 18 mths
    I went to Levenshulme high school for girls left there in 1974 all my friends went to Spurley hey and the youth club .
    ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 13-Jan-2011
    I remember Father Jones or "Rip-Rap" I was an altar boy at Our Lady & St Thomas until about 1973. I remember a Mr Bacon who took the boys club.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011
    Julie,
    I did not know any RC priests at all, but everyone in West Gorton referred to them all as "Father Rip-Rap".
    I don't think it was meant to be offensive at all, it just seemed to be a generic term applied to them all.
    My Mother was RC but Dad was CoE, and we were brought up CoE, and even Mother used the term at times.
    I have no idea where it came from.
    John.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 13-Jan-2011
    Well thats a relief !!!!!!! I guess the kids that told me it was due to a rip rap up his frock
    and his limp down to the same must have just been guessing themselves.
    He was not a catholic he was C/E a very nice person (he used to remind me of fryer tuck )... julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hello again Julie.You are right about Second Ave being behind the houses opposite the church.Hexham Rd. ran parallel to Mount Rd, and behind that was Barnard Rd. Second Ave was off that. One of my school pals was Desmond Booth who lived at 19 Balmain Ave. He had a sister Vivien and a brother Alan.A girl I knew well was Brenda Gale who lived on Sutton Rd.(Ave) along with another girl but I cannot r... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy
    thanks for your message, The names you mentioned dont ring any bells.
    I am now 52 went to Gorton Mount school likewise
    I was in mr Raynors class, then mrs Lesters class who later married another teacher from the same school.
    The head at the time was a mrs Smith
    I dont live in the area now,I live nea... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    I used to hang around with a girl called Cath she had a sister or sister in law called Nancy.
    Cath also had elder brothers I cant remember their names but they lived on that estate that you did.
    A great Girl Cath so funny she married and moved to Ancoats her married name is Robinson, lost touch with her now .... shame

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hello Julie, wow what an excellent description , thanks for taking the time, I was very young when I left west gorton but I remember a class trip to Gorton Prk and their was a housing estate with arched doorways? my friend lived there, it is this estate I am trying to find the name of, is this Suttons, . I am 52 and attended Thomas Street Primary and lived on Kelsall street, my friend was my neigh... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Diane Farmer (Member 10250547) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hello again Julie, just to say I found a nice pic of the church on google thanks to your info, here is the link
    http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1322787
    regards, Diane.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi not sure if Suttons is the estate you are looking for cant remember arched doors
    If you went on a trip to Gorton park the houses might have been Stanley Grove area I am really not sure .
    Suttons was behind the church on Mount Road on the opposite side of the road was another housing estate might be this one you are after
    I am 52 too , went to Gorton Mount then onto Levenshulme high left in 74 ... Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie,it`s me again, I`m back.I said on my message to you that I knew a girl who lived in Sutton Rd(Ave). On reflection, it was Trust road.I knew as soon as I had posted the msg I got it wrong As I said you are younger than me,so you would`nt know those names,not to worry, we certainly know the area. So you are in Costa Del Chorley now.I have been part of the fixtures and fitting here in Knott ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 15-Jan-2011
    Julie, I'm 52 and was in Miss Smedley's class, then Mr Raynor, Then Mr Keen and Mrs Lester, who was replaced by Miss Parker in 1970. I also remember a dog called Bonzo who was always on the Suttons Estate. I lived on Trust Road. I did know a Julie Hinds, but she lived on Trust Road next to the passage near the church. I'm trying to think if I know you. Did you have any brothers and sisters?

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi
    Brilliant that you remember Bonzo he was always out with the kids on the estate he knew which houses to go looking for us, and of course he got fed at the houses too
    My sister and I used to dress him up in clothes and send him out bonnet's included he never seemed to mind
    ATENTION TO READERS.... I am talking about the family pet dog
    I knew Julie Hinds too we used to play together now and... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy
    Did you ever drink in the Three Arrows Hyde rd
    in the 50's I am looking for info on the landlady and lanlord Veronica and Ray her surname was Smith, they went onto the Blue Pig.
    Its their Daughter I am trying to trace too her name is Theresa.
    Does the name Eric ogden mean anything to you will be about 70 ish
    just thought that I ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 15-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie

    I might know you by sight, and your surname is familiar, probably through school. On Friendsreunited, there are lots of class photos, and I put one on there some time back - around 1968. It's free to look. Regards Pete

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 16-Jan-2011
    Hello again Julie. With regards to the Three Arrows, I remember it well of course,but back then, I did`nt drink!!. I had`nt discovered the delights of that particular past time at that stage!In fact it was`nt till we moved to Levenshulme When my Dad took me in the Polygon on Barlow Rd.- now closed. The Bluebell was another. I did sneak a couple in the Midland once. I later joined the RAF, and that... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 16-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy
    I do remenber the whit walks and getting a few pennies of the neighbours .
    It was great all the local churches etc used to join in.
    I wonder why it stopped nowhere does this now

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 16-Jan-2011
    Yes, what a shame when all this disappeared. It would bring families and children together in a lovely and friendly atmosphere.Can`t visualise the modern generation taking part now,-so sad.those were happy days indeed.Especially when we see what youngsters get up to now.I walked with St Thomases on Mount Rd, and on one occasion Brookfield where my Mum used to attend. Cant remember how she came to ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Jan-2011
    Julie/Roy,
    Whit Walks were a real tradition weren't they?
    Catholics on Good Friday and Protestants on Whit Sunday, and I always thought there was a little bit of competition, whose kids looked the best, whose banners were the biggest and whose bands the loudest.
    Still, it was us kids who benefitted the most:
    Those parents that could afford it dressed their kids in new clothes, shoes, socks, dr... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 21-Jan-2011
    John/Julie. I can recall the Three Arrows,the Midland the Lake, an many other @ `watering holes`, but I cannot place the Blue Pig, try as I may.Come on then! where was it. Probably kick myself wheh you come up with the answer. Cheers.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 21-Jan-2011
    Hiya , the Blue pig was towards Audenshaw, I am trying to track the daughter of the landlady Theresa Hughes she will be in her 50.s now.
    Had no look so far, phoned every Hughes in the phone book that is listed, and checked the electoral roll,she is out there somewhere I believe that I will find her ... Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    Keep going Julie, it WILL happen for you.
    Like I have mentioned on this site, I have just traced an old friend from Infants' School last seen in 1959, and who I have been looking for for the last ten years.
    Good luck Julie, keep at it.
    John. x.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 21-Jan-2011
    I will thanks John

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 22-Jan-2011
    Hello again Julie. Thanks for getting back to me. yes,I did kick myself when you told me about the Blue Pig. This was also confirmed by a friend of mine Phil Bailey. He was born in Droylsden, but spent most of his younger life in Gorton. He lived on Vine St, and went to Varna St school, and a good footballer. He knew lots of folks there in Gorton, so maybe there is someone out there who will know ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 25-Jan-2011
    Hi again Julie. I think I remember your sister Angela. I remember Bonzo as he did mix with the local kids a lot, and probably regarded himself as one of them. He was a brown dog, wasn't he?

    I also remember as he had a fondness for my leg, and would run at me whenever he saw me. I was only about 11. The old joke is where the owner says "Don't worry, he won't be long"

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 25-Jan-2011
    Hi Peter, Bonzo was cross with a lab and a red setter ????? he was very much like a lab but with a red coat, pink nose and pink lips was rather strange looking but we loved him as kids do . He was one of the kids on the estate.
    Angela was very tall and lean and glasses remember the old round NHS specs ?
    Very different today not tall , she stopped growing age 13 and as for the specs well they went too .

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 10-Feb-2011
    HIYA JULIE IS YOUR NAME JULIE BATE WHO USE TO LIVE NEXT NEXT DOOR TO ME ON SUTTON RD

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Jack Forshaw (Member 10258735) on 5-Mar-2011
    Hello Julie, Father Jones was a Church of England priest, though Our Lady and St. Thomas was what was known as a high church. Father Jones was a wonderful man who used to let us kids use the hut on the church grounds to play games, and cards, though when he caught us playing for money he would confiscate it for the church fund. He even let us play cards and watch television in his house when it wa... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Mar-2011
    Jack,
    Just read a story about Keith Newton.
    Can you recall exactly where Keith was born in Manchester at all, street or district?
    John.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Mar-2011
    Jack,
    Just read a story about Keith Newton.
    Can you recall exactly where Keith was born in Manchester at all, street or district?
    John.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 8-Mar-2011
    I remember Father Jones having one of the first colour tellies, and he would invite congregation members and neighbours round to watch events like the FA Cup.

    I remember during one Sunday service when he lay into the congregation for not supporting some Church event or other. I recall him shouting "All you lot think about is bingo and beer!" I was only 11 at the time, but he may have been right.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 8-Mar-2011
    Danny Coleman
    what number on Sutton Road did you live, the name I think rings a bell , did you have any brothers or sisters ?

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Jack Forshaw (Member 10258735) on 9-Mar-2011
    Hello John. Been away over the weekend. Keith Newton was born in Manchester, but when I knew him in the fifties he was living in 1st Avenue, off Barnard Road, Gorton. When his playing days were over he bought a newsagents in Burnley and as far as I know he died there of cancer in June 1998, a few days away from his 57th birthday.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Jack Forshaw (Member 10258735) on 9-Mar-2011
    John. Just remembered that Keith Newton actually played Inside forward at school and for the local church team on occasions. I remember playing football with him and some of my other mates on Mellands and Annie Lee playing fields, and he was a wizard dribbling the ball, he would go past you as though you weren't there. Strange how he finished up playing full back. I think he went to either Didsbur... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 14-Mar-2011
    I LIVE AT 32 SUTTON RD, I HAVE 2 BROTHERS JASON AND ROBERT MY MAM AND DAD ARE KEN AND MARGARET

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Mar-2011
    Hi Danny
    I am sure I do remember your family, Jason rings a bell did he have red hair, I do remember your mum I think , did she live on Wembley road right opposite sutton Road , and was or is she related to Harry Harrison off the flats ?
    I think my mum was friendly with your mum, my mum was a midwife back then .... julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Mar-2011
    Danny , we lived at 38, there was also a family on the same side 2 sisters called Bates too ( no relation ) at least I dont think they were , Think they might have been the ones that lived next door to you .... Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 14-Mar-2011
    we moved from 32 sutton to 45 wembley when our jason was born . if you live at 38 it would have only been a couple of doors up

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 14-Mar-2011
    thats right , I remember, think I used to take Jason out for a walk in his pram, I remember you moving into the house on Wembley road just a few doors away from the Giles's .
    Are you related to Harry Harrison ?

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 15-Mar-2011
    im his nephew

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Mar-2011
    Hi Danny
    I remember your family now, Harry is about the same age as me he used to torment me and my friends rotton lol, are your parents well ? Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 16-Mar-2011
    yeah spend most of the year on the costa del sol visiting our jason, he,s a singer over there

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by julie (Member 10255407) on 16-Mar-2011
    Thats great to hear, glad all is well with them , Julie

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Tracy Smithers (Member 10259944) on 20-Apr-2011
    Couldn't help but see some of you mention Rigg Street in Gorton. My mum was born there in 1946 and my grandfather John (Jack) Moores b.1913 spent most of his childhood there with his parents Charles and Florence Moores. If anyone remembers the family or can tell me more about Rigg Street around that time it would be great to hear from you. Also if you could tell me what road now stands where Rigg ... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 20-Apr-2011
    Hello Tracy, sorry I don't know any of the family names, but Calgary Street now covers where Rigg St was.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 20-Apr-2011
    You will also find photo's of Rigg St on this site.

    images.manchester.gov.uk

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Tracy Smithers (Member 10259944) on 21-Apr-2011
    Hi Paul, thank you for the street name. I remember driving around Gorton as a child in the 1970's and see Rigg Street well the rubble anyway! A few years ago we went back and I found Calgary Street but couldn't remember the name. Thank you for the link too.

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Dave Heal (Member 10264013) on 6-Aug-2011
    Father Jones
    ------------

    I first met the Reverend Father Alfred Gower-Jones (to give him his Sunday-going-to-church name) when I was at school at Spurley Hey, round about 1971. An atheist school friend of mine who was interested in electronics went round to the Clergy House to fix a broken tape recorder, and I tagged along.

    It was the beginning of a lifetime friendship with the kindest ma... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Dave Heal (Member 10264013) on 6-Aug-2011
    Father Jones (continued)
    ------------

    My last postin was truncated - so here's the next bit!

    When I lived with Alf, we used to have a bar of Galaxy chocolate each every evening. He would hide them somewhere in the house and I would find them! He also introduced me to melon soaked in Grand Marnier, mussel soup, and snails. We also tried caviar once (after he retired to Fosbrooke House), b... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Dave Heal (Member 10264013) on 6-Aug-2011
    Father Jones (continued)
    ------------

    In 1973, Alf was preparing to retire, and the thought of suddenly having nothing to do caused him to have a minor nervous breakdown, and at the doctor's suggestion, he went off to stay with the Archdeacon of Lancaster (who happened to be his brother Geoff) and his wife Margo, at the church of St Stephens On-the-Cliffs, North Shore, Blackpool. I babysat th... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by Dave Heal (Member 10264013) on 6-Aug-2011
    Father Jones (continued)
    ------------

    More often that not, we would eat at the Manx Room in Fleetwood, where we would start with drinks at the bar until it was time to sit down (it was then I learnt the meaning of the phrase, "seven for seven-thirty"). Alf would request extra garlic on the snails, and Mitch, the manager, would prepare Crepe Suzette for us at our table. Whilst I was at colleg... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by jim whittaker (Member 10267375) on 14-Nov-2011
    Hi, anybody out there know such names as Harry Shepherd and brian collier, used to live on cambert lane when it was called church lane, other names that come to mind during that time --
    late 40's and through the 50's - are the Simpsons of Hampdem Grove (as was), the Binghams and Alcocks of Bryson Grove (as was). I lived at No 5 Parker street (later to be Palin Street). Across the road on the corn... more >>

  • Re: OLD FRIENDS by John Bell (Member 10269629) on 19-Jan-2012
    I remember Father Jones well.I was an altar boy at StThomas's in the late 50's .He ran a youth club on a sunday night that you could only attend if you had been to church that morning .He also took the youth club on coach trips to Blackpool and the cinema in Manchester.

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Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 31-Dec-2010
Hi
does anyone know of the landlady Veronica Smith who at some point was at the Blue pig.
I think she and her family may have lived in the Three Arrows pub at some point before the Blue pig.
If anyone has any info on any member of the family please
I think Veronica is no longer with us now but I believe she does have a daughter Tereasa or a name like it
please let me know thanks Julie
  
  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Jan-2011
    I heard some years ago, that the daughter of the licensee of the Three Arrows on Hyde Road married a man called David HUGHES, and that they lived in Fallowfield.
    I was told by an old school mate, Alan HUGHES, who was a cousin of David HUGHES.
    He knew about this, as he was involved in the planning of the demolition of that part of Gorton sometime after 1970 I think.
    Could this be the same person at all?

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 1-Jan-2011
    Hi thankyou so much for your prompt reply
    It could be the same person, Veronica was one of 4 children not with us anymore died I think within the last few years she will have been in her 80's
    Veronica was the landlady of the Blue pig and thats all I know of her , I dont know her married name I just know that she did have a son ( name not known ) and a daughter Tereasa or simular its this person... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 1-Jan-2011
    anyone know the name of the licencee of the Three Arrows pub hyde Road Gorton in the 50's possibly earlier, thanks Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Jan-2011
    I'm really sorry, but my mate did not mention the young ladies name.
    I am presuming that it could well have been Theresa, but unfortunatly that's all he told me.
    I really hope you have some luck with this.
    John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 1-Jan-2011
    Hi John
    thanks once again for your help
    Theresa is a cousin of mine and I believe she has made some form of contact to another family member , it did not go down to well for some reason but I myself would like to make contact with her and hopefully resolve things.
    Have you heard of Eric Ogden by the way will be in his 70's now on behalf of a friend , thankyou John , Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    I'm sorry but that name does not ring a bell.
    The only OGDEN family I knew owned a bakery on Cambert Lane near to Rowsley Street.
    The parents were near retirement age when I left Gorton in the 1970's, and they had one daughter called Irene who married a bloke called Johnny TODD.
    They lived on Cambert Lane, (odd numbers) between Taylor Street and Casson Street - probably around number 75.
    Sorry... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 2-Jan-2011
    Thankyou John you have been most helpful anyway , Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 4-Jan-2011


    Hi John, my Dad used to go for pint at the Three Arrows. It's not still around is it?
    The Ogden's have two daughters, Dorothy and Irene.Irene married Johnny Parkinson who lived next door to us in Rowsley Street.
    I've been enjoying this, and all the other threads you have commented on. My goodness, what a memory you have.
    Cheers, Irene

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 4-Jan-2011
    Hi Irene
    its Julie, thanks for the reply.
    I was wondering if you know the names of the landlady/landlord from the Three Arrows from that time.
    The Eric Ogden I am searching for will be in his late 60's now to mid 70's I dont know if he had any siblings or not but he used to drink in the Three Arrows then may have done in the Blue pig though not really sure. I have just learnt that he usd to dri... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 4-Jan-2011
    Hi Irene,
    No, the Three Arrows went years ago.
    I think that there's just a grassy mound in its place on Hyde Road, opposite where Gorton Town Hall used to stand.
    It was a popular meeting place for visitors to Belle Vue, but most of the time it catered just for regulars from the Cambert Lane area.
    It's funny that Cambert Lane was one of the few main thoroughfares in Gorton that did not have a s... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi
    I am not sure where the Three Arrows stood was it on the left or the right hand side if you was comming from the town centre I know the showcase cinema was it anywhere around there, I know where the Midland, Lakes, used to be thanks Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Jan-2011
    The Three Arrows stood on Hyde Road, on the left hand side going out of Manchester towards Denton, and on the corner with Church Lane (later Cambert Lane),that is the corner closer to Denton, and directly opposite the old Gorton Town Hall and the Midland Hotel.
    The Lake Hotel stood on the opposite right hand side of Hyde Road going out towards Denton, but set further back towards Manchester and ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Jan-2011
    Regarding my reference to the Stockport Air Disaster, I have done some quick research:
    At 10:09am on Sunday 4th June 1967, a British Midlands chartered Canadaire C4 areoplane, en route from Palma, Majorca to Manchester, ran out of fuel and crashed on the centre of Stockport.
    Some were killed on impact but a lot were known to have been badly injured but trapped in the wreckage, and shortly after ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi John
    thanks for all that info
    My relative's had the Three Arrows back then my aunt then took over the blue pig
    Its this family I am trying to trace, Veronica ( landlady has died but her daughter is somewhere out there ( Theresa )
    I was just trying to picture the Three Arrows itself my friends parents had the Midland their name was Maires and I used to go in there when I was 18 (1976)
    Prev... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie,
    Yes there are 2 photos of the Three Arrows pub on the Manchester Libraries Archives site, one taken in 1971 the other in 1959. Go on images.manchester.gov.uk and type in M50652 & M27308 in the "Find" box half way down the page.
    Using the same site it shows Showcase Cinema is built on the site which was Belle Vue's Palm Court "M22925" and the Bowling Alley is the building that's now Gala Bingo.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Jan-2011
    Paul, spot on mate.
    When I was still at school (1959-1964), the only bowling alley in the area (Manchester) was one built in an old cinema on Cheetham Hill Road just round the corner from Queens Road, where the 53 bus started its route to Old Trafford.
    The second one was built on Greatstone Road near Old Trafford, Stretfrord, and then I believe the third was then built at Belle Vue.
    You have he... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi John,
    Have I imagined this or was B.V. Alley open 24 hours for it's first year or so, and Granada use to televise games from there late at night?

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi John
    Thanks for that info and the name of the site . I was able to view the photo's I wanted, after many many hours of searching it only took me two mins to get sorted, thanks once again, Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 6-Jan-2011
    John, in the 60's when the bowling craze came over there were 4 alleys, BV, Ch Hill, Stretford and, the one I first started at, Levenshulme (Levvy Bowl)on Stockport Rd.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Jan-2011
    Neil, sorry mate, you are quite right, forgot about Levenshulme Bowling Alley, and my aunt lived close by too, it's a grey moment from me I'm afraid.
    Keep up the memories Neil, always good to read them.
    John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Alan Bowden (Member 10251584) on 11-Jan-2011
    I can remember the landlady of the three Arrows on HydeRd/Cambert Lane Back in the Fifties it was Rosie Bramhall

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 11-Jan-2011
    Alan , thankyou for that message , not the person I am looking for sadly , do you know roughly what year/ years in the 50's was she there for a good while ? I believe my grand parents had it too in the 50's but maybe later in the 60's thanks Julie

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 13-Jan-2011

    Julie, I'm sorry I cannot help with with any of those names.The Ogden's had two daughters, no sons. My Dad worked at the 3 Arrows when he retired, that would be back in the 60's, I'm not sure for how long. His name was Ernie Dunn. My Dad died in 1994!
    Cheers, Irene

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 13-Jan-2011

    Hi John, you and I have spoken on this board before.You know my sister Sandra. I went to Peacock Street, then on to Varna Street and Spurley Hey.
    We lived near Hyde Road end of Rowsley Street next to Evan's the coal merchant.Later my dad moved to Longsight and Sandra to Colshaw Farm.
    My Dad was a very casual drinker...lol we didn't have the money for him to be nowt else
    Enjoying everyone's ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi Irene
    Thanks for your message,I am sure I will read something on here at some point with names of the people I am looking for .
    My grandparents had the Three Arrows some time in the 50's /60's so I believe that is.
    They were called John and Lillian Smith , though I think they did separate. I am going back many many years now but their eldest daughter Veronica I think took over from them, th... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi Irene, great to hear from you and I hope you are well?
    Where do you live now?
    I live in the Lincolnshire Fens and my brother Christopher still lives near Leigh.
    We met up every couple of months and walk round Gorton, and how sad it looks now.
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with those terraced houses, and something went out of people's hearts when they were forced to move out.
    The Counc... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi There again Irene, It was me, not John, you messaged a while ago now. I (we) remember your family well, Sandra was a lovely girl. I last saw her on Colshaw just before I got married, and last heard she was running a chippy in Burnley. Please remember us to her. Did your parents or grandparents ever live in Victoria road off Cambert lane? My dad was born there and I remember him telling us that ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 15-Jan-2011

    I live in the US.I married in 1958 and came to the US in 1959.
    I'm proud to have been born in Gorton.The house my Mam and Dad lived in needed to be pulled down and re-built.Too many repairs and the landlord never got around to doing some of them. Of course we had the two up and two down, too little space for 8 people, but we managed.
    The stairs were a worry when my mam became ill. Still, I'v... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 15-Jan-2011

    Hi Chris, sorry about the mix up. We always lived in Rowsley street.My Grand-dad lived in Green Street. I just spoke to Sandra the other day, I'll send your regards next time I e-mail her.She is still in Burnley, they sold the chippy though. My Mam did not get around much, she has MS and passed away in 1962.
    I found this Gorton site, do you know of it, if not I hope everyone will enjoy it.
    Oh... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    To Irene,
    I think it's great that you stay in touch all the way from the US.
    What state are you living in?
    My eldest daughter has lived in Eaton, Ohio for ten years now.
    I go almost over every year.
    John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by julie (Member 10255407) on 15-Jan-2011
    Love the song , Think I will learn it

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 15-Jan-2011
    Irene, Thanx for the reply, Brilliant song!Stay in toych. Regards... Chris.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 22-Jan-2011
    Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    To Irene,
    I think it's great that you stay in touch all the way from the US.
    What state are you living in?
    My eldest daughter has lived in Eaton, Ohio for ten years now.
    I go almost over e... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Irene,
    What a coincidence.
    In May (2010) I went to Dodge City, Kansas (again) having driven there from Ohio, through Indiana and then through Missouri to Kansas.
    I spent two days staying at St Louis, where I did the Mississippi Riverboat trip, the former majestic Railway Station (again), and walked in the beautiful city centre gardens, by the ornamental waterfalls.
    I love the place, absolutel... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 22-Jan-2011
    Is this the link you need.
    http://images.manchester.gov.uk/

    Paul.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Thanks Paul, much obliged, John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 22-Jan-2011
    I believe the Blue Pig is on Audenshw Rd, Auidenshaw. Hope this helps.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 23-Jan-2011

    St. Louis has much to see. My husband worked there for over 20 years before we moved to Alabama.
    One of our daughter's live nearby by, we call them our Kansas City kids. Our other daughter lives in the St.Louis area. Once a month we drive to Columbia, about a three hour trip, to have lunch with her and her family.
    BTW, the M/C link worked fine.Thanks.
    Cheers, Irene

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    That's a hell of a trip for lunch, but we are so cramped over here, it's not unusual for you guys to do such mileage.
    I love Denver COL, a very clean city with the Rockies at the back, very spectacular.
    Did the Buffalo Bill Grave bit on Lookout Mountain and have a mate living at Golden, just past the Coors brewery.
    Got married once there in Gilpin County, outside and on a mates ranch, very roma... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 1-Mar-2011
    Drove past The Olde Blue Pig yesterday. It has the 'fashionable' planks of wood up covering the windows. I knew it had been shut for years. This month, it's joined by The Church Inn in Ardwick Green, The Jolly Hatters Stockport Road, Denton and the Top House at Haughton Green. They are dropping like flies, I'm sad to say.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 1-Mar-2011
    Pete, What a shame about them pubs, I worked in Denton for 23 years and frequented those pubs on various occasions, I played football for the Top House in the 70s.Greedy brewers are making it impossible for landlords to make any kind of living out of pubs now. Have known lots of mates who have thrown their money away trying to make their pub work, its very sad. I was shocked to see the Angel shut ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Mar-2011
    I can't believe that the Church at Ardwick Green has closed, it was once considered to be the place to be seen, because it did good food and had a nice interior, years ahead of its time really.
    I last saw it ten years ago, what a bloody shame. Breweries will kill off the pub trade, what will they do then, the idiots.
    John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 2-Mar-2011
    Your turn to shock me now Dave. I didn't know the Angel was shut. Unbelievable!

    I go to the White Gates in Hyde now - Sam Smiths and £1.51 for bitter & £1.76 for lager. Still like it was in the 1920's with a coal fire, and all the old fittings, and real people who will talk to you. Gorton used to be full of pubs like that.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 2-Mar-2011
    I passed the Angel last night on the way to the Lowes for a meal and there was a few skips on the car park, so maybe they are just renovating. I hope that is what it is.
    Dave

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Mar-2011
    Manchester once led the UK with it's pubs, not for us the cissy London jellied eel and pie and mash pubs, but places where real men met and drank and enjoyed themselves.
    When you think of it, planners destroyed communities and now they are slowly destroying the very thing that held communities together.
    Gastro-pubs constructed from Natwest Banks - give me a break lads.
    We are a dying breed guys... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 2-Mar-2011
    Too right John,The original type of pub is fast becoming a thing of the past, and how sad. Can`t do with the modern `plastic` versions with the chrome `T` bars,- that dispense `smooth` ale, lagers and ciders etc. Give me real ale anytime with a good atmosphere and a log fire and good company. There are a few left,but becoming thin on the ground. and for me,- no hand pulled beer in sight, then they... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 4-Mar-2011
    Hi Roy,
    If you ever get to Ludlow in Shropshire (I was there this lunchtime visiting son and granddaughter), there is a pub just off the main square called The Church.
    Log fires, old church pews, rough wooden tables, old-fashioned bar, loads of real ales and the hottest basic food I have had in years - you would stay for days Roy.
    The place gets packed, especially on a cold day like today, and ... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 14-Mar-2011
    I GO IN THE VALE COTTAGE IN GORTON 3 HAND PUMPED BEERS ON ALL THE TIME

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 14-Mar-2011
    Wish I could, That's where I used to have a few underage pints....in the dark ages. Now I'm stuck out here in the West of Ireland with all this black s--t. It's enough to drive a man to drink.lol.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Mar-2011
    John,
    Have fished a lot on the west coast near to Galway and The Burren, and I'n afraid I drank the black stuff to excess - I was last there five years ago and still have the headache mate.
    John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Mar-2011
    Sadly I have only three choices to drink in my local,The black s---, a beer called Smithwick's and a lager....where has all the Chesters mild gone???long time ago it was 1/10d a pint on Clowes St. Just down from the Gortonbrook. Again it was underage drinkies..Then off down to The Domino Club.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 15-Mar-2011
    Hi John,No wonder there is no Boddies mild left at that price 1/10d is that about 9p wow.
    I had a wonderful holiday over in Ireland a few years ago, the first two weeks working my way down the East coast along the South coast and up to Letterfrack in the Connemara National Park.I liked it so much I spent another week there. As regarding the black stuff the barmaids would pull about three quarters... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 15-Mar-2011
    shangrila....Ideal if your on your hols, but what a pisser if you want/need owt doing...yes I'll be there first thing in the morning.....O.K. so which morning would that be then. It's a bit like an Irish mile. Still im willing to get shut and move on..been up for sale for a few months now....Any takers???6acres,bungalow( unfinished project ) trout river through land, barn, 5 mile from town,no comm... more >>

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 18-Mar-2011
    I was told by a lady who lives near Bray that it costs £50 just to SEE your Doctor, is that the same right across Eire?
    The place is heaven on earth, but they have serious budget issues, let's hope it sorts itself out soon.
    Miss Grafton Street, Dublin, the Ha'penny Bridge and
    Bewley's Coffee Houses, great place, cheers mate, John.

  • Re: Blue Pig and The Three Arrows pub Gorton area by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 18-Mar-2011
    yes thats about right,€40 / €50. Good thing is you see them when you ill.....nott 3weeks later.still no enquiries for my place yet...

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BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Dec-2010
This world-famous steam engine manufacturer was the major employer in Gorton and West Gorton from the early nineteenth century until it closed in 1966, and it's locomotives were exported all over the world, to almost every country in the old British Empire and beyond.
They manufactured more than 8000 steam locomotives, some of which are still in service (India) more than a hundred years later.
M... more >>
  
  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 31-Dec-2010
    CONGRATULATIONS - to Joe BROWN, an Ardwick lad who is probably Britain's greatest rock climber, and who at 80 years of age has been awarded a CBE in the New Year's Honours List - well done Joe, a genuine legend.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Jan-2011
    Peacock's possessed one great piece of kit which was used by all families to regulate their day - the hooter!
    As I remember, it sounded dead-on eight o'clock every workday morning and five o'clock every evening, and families set their watches and clocks by it.
    When I was a child at St. Marks', the morning hooter meant that you had to be ready to leave the house and on your way to the school-yard... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 12-Jan-2011
    Hello John. It`s me again Roy. My memory was jogged by your mention of works hooters. I distinctly remember the one at Beyer Peacock,we could hear it from where I lived off Barnard Rd. But nearer to home was the one at Jacksons brick works,just over "the tip" from us. again this sounded bang on time every day. Several times I would try to get a closer view of this large steam whistle. ( the Peacoc... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy,
    You must be a couple of years older than me, but I can remember the hooter at Peacocks' going off in 1952 after the Queen's Coronation.
    There was no real need for a watch who could afford them anyway, because life could be managed with things like these hooters, church bells and clocks on swimming baths and Town Halls.
    There seemed to be no pressures in those days Roy.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 13-Jan-2011
    Hi John. Just wondered if you have ever heard of anyone who recalled the bomb that fell in Tealby Road.I would be 4 or 5 at the time, but i will never forget that night. there were members of the Satchell family who were lost at the time. I remember going with my Mum to see the damage afterwards, and I can see it to this day. Do you know John, it never fails to amaze me,- the fact that we can reca... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011
    Roy,
    That's very true mate.
    I can recall what I did in 1952, but not what I had to eat last Tuesday.
    I was not born until 1947, so I missed Manchester's blitz, and the only talk of it I remember, was how badly Trafford Park and Piccadilly were hit.
    Regarding Piccadilly, I remember as a child seeing some of the war-damaged warehouses before they were re-built.
    I mentioned on this site that I ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by julie (Member 10255407) on 13-Jan-2011
    Talking of sweets
    sports mixture
    fruit salads
    black jacks
    flying saucers
    ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 13-Jan-2011
    Dad used to tell the story of the one that fell through the roof. During the war he worked nights at Fairy Aviation (making planes)and would naturally sleep thru the day.One day he was woken unceremoniously by the local fire brigade breaking into his bedroom. After telling them where to go he was informed that there was an unexploded incendiary bomb lodged in the roof above him!! What an alarm cal... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 13-Jan-2011
    John, I dont remember the EWS tanks but I do recall the air raid shelters near to the footbridge that led over into Longsight sheds. They were behind the wire fencing on the dirt lane that led into Tank Row. We never got to play in them as they always seemed to be full of water.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
    Julie,

    You've started something now: dolly mixtures, pear drops, Uncle Joe's Mint Balls, mint imperials, iced gems, love hearts, spangles, coconut mushrooms, pontefract cakes, jap desserts, sherbet dabs, liquorice allsorts, liquorice bootlaces, Victory "V's", chocolate-covered cinder toffee, fruiy and coconut bon-bons, sugared eggs, and then there was Jubblies (like an orange iceberg, a real to... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 14-Jan-2011
    Air raid shelters hmm!. memories there too. we were one of several in the area who had Anderson ones. I and some pals eventually converted ours into a den. we aquired an old stove from a greenhouse,a length of downspout, which was knocked through where there was an air vent. this was the chimney. we would light a fire in there, and with a length of wood across a couple of bricks for a bench, and, ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Jan-2011
    Hi mate,
    I have mentioned before those EWS tanks, always full of dirty water, bricks and old pram frames.
    They seemed to be everywhere, but the two I recall were on Redgate Lane and behind the terraced houses off Henry (Beaumaris) Street off Clowes Street.
    Even though the nearest grassed area to Clowes Street was Gorton Park, I hardly ever went there when I was a kid, and all I remember was pla... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 15-Jan-2011
    John, not forgetting the penny bubblies(chewing gum). My gran who had the cafe by the Harrington used to make Vimto lollies. Yum. You know, I could never properly get into those jubblies. The packaging always defeated me and I ended up throwing much of it away.
    Back entries were great for nailing sheets to the wall and making triangular tents (they were never waterproof but that didnt bother us)... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Spot on about Jubblies, I think it was one of those that sank the Titanic, it was like trying to open a safe deposit box and by the time you managed to get into one, you had no thirst left.
    I was in Sherringham on the North Norfolk coast today, and there's an old fashioned sweet shop in the High Street there, and I treated myself to a bag of Jap Desserts - those dice-shaped coconut sweets,... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 16-Jan-2011
    Sure did John, with only one brake. Tape grips instead of rubber ones. Alan Emery had a custom made cycle speedway bike with a crossbar that sloped down at the saddle end to give a low seating position. To emulate that I did away with the saddle stem and jammed the saddle on the frame. The number of times it fell off!! Its a wonder I could ever sit down afterwards.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Jan-2011
    That's Alan EMERY for you, always the perfectionist.
    He really was a great lad, and I wonder where he is now, he should be on this site.
    You may remember that for ten years I haver been searching for Tony LATHAM from St Marks' Infants and then later from St James'.
    Well, I found him this week and he rang me last night (Saturday) and we chatted for an hour.
    Hopefully we will meet up this year w... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 21-Jan-2011
    Hello again John. Just a couple of items you may recall. There was a sports and toy shop on Hyde Rd between the railway bridge and Cross St on the left. Was this Donaldsons. There was a large window/s in the side street. And I remember seeing Hornby Dublo train sets in there. I used to gaze at these so longingly and wishing I could have one. The other item, - where was Clancy's Carriers. I recall ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 21-Jan-2011
    Roy, I too remember dark november nights with my face against the toy shop window. In my case it was Mawsons near the prison houses at Belle Vue. Id always wanted a OO Hornby but Father Christmas eventually brough me a Triang TT set. It was a bit second best but Ive still got it and it still runs after 50 years. They built stuff to last in those days.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    Hi guys,
    Yes I remember Donaldson's very well, like you say, it was crammed full with all the things we ever wanted, but could not always afford (or our parents couldn't afford), and it was always lit up on dark winter's nights, when you could just stand and stare and wish.
    My brother Chris and I always wanted a Horby 00 train set, and Dad finally managed to get one by contributing to a form of ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 22-Jan-2011
    Roy, Those tipper firms you mention, Clancy's, Lamb's and the other one was Evers. Clancy's were based on Chapman St, the yard that's now Owen's Builders yard near Brookfield church, I can't ever remember seeing their lorries though. Thomas Lamb was on the corner of Green Lane / Wellington St. And Harry Evers were based on Sebastopol St at Ancoats. I've been building up a collection of photos of t... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 22-Jan-2011
    mine's a Great Western "Windsor Castle". Just an oval track and two carriages but dad bought a grey metal Meccano transformer to replace the plastic one that came with the set. I remember our little christmas tree plugged into the overhead light. The cable was that twisted stuff and all the sockets were two-pin. I remember we had a 'leccy' meter near the coal 'ole and we had to feed it shillings. ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 22-Jan-2011

    Donaldson's was at the corner ( Hyde Road end) of our street. Opposite was a toy store... Simpson's?
    I pulled up a picture of Rowsley Street showing Donaldson's on the MC image site, now I cannot get into the images on the M/C Library site!
    Cheers,
    Irene

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    I remember Cowans well, another shop to stop and stare, but too expensive for us to buy from.
    My earliest memory of the post-War racing cycles was when a mate of mine (Eddie FROST who lived like me on Clowes Street) got a Coventry Eagle, chrome and electric blue it was, with the first "racing" saddle I had ever seen.
    It was a beautiful thing to look at, and we all slinked away afterwards, and we... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 22-Jan-2011
    Hello John. Gas meters, I remember them well. Ours was in the back kitchen,high up on a shelf. it must have been designed with circus people in mind,- those on stilts. to reach it, you needed a chair, or better, a pair of steps. At that time, we had a rent man, a Mr. Gover. He would knock on the door so hard, the folks next door opened theirs !! A very stern man indeed, can still see his face. No ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 22-Jan-2011
    Hello Paul Thank for your reply. Evers, of course, I remember now. There must be some sort of record of Clancy`s Carriers somewhere.When those old steamers came to Jacksons tip, I distinctly remember them stopping in East Rd to fill up with water. Many times I would follow them as they trundled down to the tip. I also recall an accident on that tip, when a tipper went over the edge. there was deep... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy,
    Great memories, and spot on about the poker.
    You were right about nobody having a drill at all, and the poker was the best alternative.
    I recall that the "expert" bogie-builders recommended the placing of steel washers on the bolt, and to add grease, in order to aid the steering.
    Grease was difficult to come across for us kids, so a knob of butter had to do.
    Remember the Rag and Bon... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 23-Jan-2011
    John, the red hot poker thing survived well into the 70's with my dad. whenever he bought a new pair of shoes he would scour the soles with a poker to enhance the grip! and as for the rag and bone man, I got my first pair of shin guards from him. We used the donkey stones to chalk goal posts and wickets on Edmond's wall. Do you remember every few years how folks would paint the front of the house ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 23-Jan-2011
    It's funny you mention the painting of houses.
    Me and our kid were talking about this last week, and we thought that on Clowes Street and Cambert Lane it was not such a big idea, and consequently we thought the houses there always looked a bit drab, in fact a lot drab.
    I seem to remember that the houses on the Prison Ground and off Hyde Road (Ainsworth Street for example), were built of a differ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 23-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Just a footnote: Most of Clowes Street was built on farmland called (wait for it) Strawberry Fields.
    Got this information from an old Tythe Map at Manchester Council.
    Cheers mate,
    John.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 23-Jan-2011
    I've often thought the old houses were only short of a good revamp, but now you've pointed out how poor the brickwork of them really was John. Looking in the background of the old family photos, I've suddenly noticed just how bad the walls really were. One of my uncles bought a terraced houses outright for £200 in 1960, it must have only been about the price of a good 2nd hand car back then. The ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 25-Jan-2011
    The house in which we lived in Bannock Street wasn't much of a home. They were infested with beetles. They were all shared with your neighbours as they travelled through the cavities etc. You couldn't get rid of them unless you could act on the whole street. No bathroom at all, a pot sink with no hot water and an outside loo. Scandalous for the 1960's when I lived there.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 25-Jan-2011
    I agree mate.
    The house I was born in was the same style as yours: one lightbulb and one old bakelite plug socket in each room, no light in the cellar, (but plenty of blackjacks), one cold-water tap in a damp back kitchen and a "slop-stone" sink, with no bath, outside toilet that always froze in the winter (unless you remembered to leave a candle burning by the pine water-box), no wallpaper, but ... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 26-Jan-2011
    John, as I grew up in the flat above the corner shop I never knew what it was like to have a house til I moved out when I got married. But conditions were similar. Living room, 2 bed, front room overlooking Hyde rd, bathroom and skullery.Lino on the floors. Bare floorboards in the bedrooms. Hot water to wash and shave was from the kettle. Outside loo was down the stairs, thru the coal 'ole and int... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hi John, just been browsing, and re your comment on the West Gorton thread about first phones, do you remember your first tv? Dad got our for the coronation. It was a tiny thing with an 8-9" screen but I recall it had this huge magnifying glass about 4" thick attached to the front with thick staps resembling army belt material.Its a wonder it didnt fall over. The word must have got round because t... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Our telly had a lift up lid that revealed a radio, remember the radio gramm later on posh if you had one of those

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    Great memories Neill,
    I remember that every single shovel that I ever saw in anyone's house always had a charred handle, on the back usually, where the paper had caught fire, and do you remember that old wives tale - "if you put a tin can on the coals, it will keep the chimney free of soot? - it didn't work.
    Rememeber if anyone in your house suffered from whooping cough? - your parents used to b... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    Brilliant John, we used to lagg our loo pipes with old sacking, I can remember throwing coal over the yard wall and the lady next door throwing it back and it hitting my brother on his head, he got a crack for that for upsetting the neighbour I did confess ............. sometime later

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 26-Jan-2011
    How about the old Tin bath hung up in the back yard all week untill we all used on a sunday night, it dident half use to burn your back
    Barrie

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    Barrie,

    We never had a tin bath, BUT, we used to have two galvanised steel dolly tubs (those with the ribbed sides) and on Fridays they were both filled with cold water and topped up with the kettle and pans of hot water.
    Both me and our kid were plonked, one in each, and that was bath night.
    When you think of it, a bath once a week, and deodorant wasn't really thought of, we must have been q... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    Julie,

    Your poor brother, but didn't we all do dangerous things in those days?
    Nice of you to own up, albeit a bit late, but I'm sure he forgave you Julie.

    John.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by julie (Member 10255407) on 26-Jan-2011
    No he holds a grudge .... only kidding he can't remember it .. Julie

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 5-Feb-2011
    I know we say we would never want to go back to those days, but they had something we don't have now - simplicity. You spent your time and energies struggling to have the basics in life. Anything over that was regarded as a bonus, and you appreciated it a lot more. Families and neighbours were closer because of the relative hardships we all had.

    Life is so complex these days. We have technolog... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Chris Holmes (Member 10113648) on 5-Feb-2011
    Hi-There Peter, your not rambling at all mate! We all remember those simpler times when we appreciated thing in a different way.I can never remember it raining in the school holidays, and playing out till 10. at night with all the kids in the street. That can't happen now. People, families and neighbours were closer then and helped each other out. I think you are absolutely right. they were "the g... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 5-Feb-2011
    Our kid's dead right.
    One thing that always springs to mind is friendships.
    I know we all had our little "gangs", but I honestly can't remember a real big falling-out with our mates when we were at Primary School.
    We seemed to stick together through thick and thin, and I put it down to this:
    There was no place for one-upmanship or boasting about "guess what I've got?".
    Th... more >>

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 11-Feb-2011
    Hi John. Just reading your comments about electric and gas meters. My brother (Paul) would turn off the gas or electric and tell Mum it had run out. She would give him a shilling to put in the meter, and he would simply turn it back on again.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 11-Feb-2011
    Now that's what I call enterprise.
    I suppose your kid's a millionaire now?
    He mustn't have been scared of the dark or blackjacks, they terrified our kid and me.
    great story.

  • Re: BEYER PEACOCKS GORTON WORKS by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-May-2011
    Last time I visited Gorton from Lincolnshire, there was a huge amount of scaffolding up against the one-remaining engine shed at the old Beyer-Peacocks site on Gorton Lane.
    Anyone any idea what's going on there at all?

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Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 10-Dec-2010
Hi does anyone know Eric Ogden if still alive hopefully he will be .
He will be roughly aged late 60's to mid 70's now .
He may have worked at Peacocks, but did drink in the three arrows public house on Hyde Road in the 50's
Anyone with any info please get in touch I will be grateful , thanks Julie
  
  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 11-Dec-2010
    Does anyone remember a lad called Barry SLEVIN?
    I always thought that he lived either on the Prison Ground or off Great Jackson Street (The Concrete).
    Can anyone remember him, he is on an old school photo I have of St Marks'.
    John.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Dec-2010
    One of the things I remember, that I always thought was peculiar to Manchester (and West Gorton), was the "Outdoor Beer Licence", as these shops were always called.
    They were not pubs but were shops that were licensed to sell beer, and this was usually sold from barrels propped up on large wooden wedges on a counter-top.
    A large brass tap was knocked into the hole in one end of the barrel and be... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Dec-2010
    I remember really hot summers in West Gorton in the 1950's.
    The tar that held the stone chippings onto the road would melt, and as kids we would scoop some up onto a "lolly" stick and when it had hardened a bit, we would throw these "bombs" at each other, or try to make them stick to windows and brick walls.
    Sometimes we would really annoy our poor neighbours by running a long length of cotton t... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 27-Dec-2010
    I remember the lamp-lighters, we had a gas lamp at the end of our street, Sutton St. There was also the 'knocker-uppers' who would call early in the morning and reach up to your bedroom window with a big, long stick and wait for an acknowledgement that you were awake.
    Does anybody remember the 'doctors man' prior to the NHS being introduced in 1947? He would call round to your house to ask for 6d... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 1-Jan-2011
    Hi John, I remember the tarring of the cobbled street meant you could now bowl a straight ball at the wickets chalked on Edmonds wall. The tar would not only melt but would there would be bubbles all over the place.
    Talking of pitch bombs, do you remember match stick guns? A 6 to 8 inch piece of wood, 2 of mum's hair clips and 2 bottle top rubber seals made a fabulous pistol that wouls shoot matc... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    Neil, spot on mate, and if you could make them, you were some sort of local "expert" that other kids came to for advice.
    I recall that the piece of wood usually came from a pack of fire-lighting wood.
    Remember those, wrapped by wire into a little roll, and then eight rolls were bound together by a piece of inner-tube rubber cut from a ring?
    On Clowes Street they were sold by an old boy called T... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Just recalled another "gun" story.
    Around 1962 my brother Chris and I were playing with our mates on Casson Street Rec.
    A lad came up to us carrying a gas pipe, about half an inch wide, but made of iron, not copper.
    He said, "hey, watch this", and proceeded to drop a penny banger firework down the pipe, where is must have stopped at the end where he had filled it with lead.
    He quickly d... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 2-Jan-2011
    Penny bangers!! threepenny canons, roman candles, snow storms and rip raps. What outrageous things we did. Nothing and nobody was safe from them. milk bottles, letter boxes, and even dog mock outside the speedway entrance at leaving time. No one escaped. We'd be locked up now. and 'bonny nite'raiding parties to nick wood from other gangs. We once tried to steal a railway sleeper from longsight she... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 3-Jan-2011
    Hi has anyone heard of an Ernie Mayo who also had a friend Ernie may have been friends of Eric Ogden , heard they all worked at Peacocks but not certain , thanks Julie

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 5-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Remember trying to set fire to someone else's bonfire before bonfire night?
    It was a territorial thing I think, anything to get one over on the gang from another "back", as we called the area inside the square blocks of terraced houses.
    Remember the idiots in our gangs who would light a penny banger and try to hold on to it as long as possible before throwing it?
    How we didn't see lots o... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 5-Jan-2011
    John, can you imagine having a bonfire in the middle of your street nowadays? ludicrous idea eh? How the windows of number two ashmore survived I will never know. The side wall in Edmonds back entry didnt fair too well. There was a definite bow to it. I remember we had nights when we would guard our wood which was generally stashed at peoples houses. We'd only build the thing on the 5th. As well a... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 5-Jan-2011
    Hi
    The game Ralevo was a chase and catch game if I remember, usually involved all the kids off the street or even several streets.
    One person would chase all the kids, when one was caught then they would join together and continue the chase , as each one was caught they would join up until the last one was caught, this was the next person to start the chase in the next game. You had to keep an ... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 5-Jan-2011
    Julie and Neil,
    You brought back memories of fireworks and street games, stealing "bunny wood" from each other and begging for pennies with a guy made of old clothes stuffed with - old clothes.
    I was talking to my daughter in the USA last week, and funnily enough she mentioned atreet games that came to America from England.
    The game of "Ralley Vo" (and it's spelling variations) cropped up in th... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 8-Jan-2011
    wow! how much do people recall. Some one should write a book from all these memories.
    On the subject of games still, how many kids played "allies" or marbles? As well as the glass ones, we had different size "bollies" (ball bearings). The hole was usually a broken corner of a flagstone and disputed distances were measured in "spans" and "double spans". And allies released from crouching or stand... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    I remember all those terms, and some kids had amazing skills.
    I know that "bollies" were highly prized and were only gambled with when the stakes were high, and you could be sure of having a chance to get some back if you won.
    "Bollies" were introduced onto the streets by the kids of engineers who got them from one of the dozens of works in Gorton and West Gorton.
    Great memories.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 12-Jan-2011
    These times of snow take me back to the slides we used to make, either in the playground or on some other expanse of smooth ground. We'd run towards a starting spot and assume some sort of balletic pose, repeating this process until there was a stretch of ice along which you would skate. There was one manoeuvre called a "grannie" that required you start sliding in an upright position, change to a ... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Brilliant!
    The speed we could achieve, and I can never remember a serious accident, can you?
    These days we would be banned from going anywhere near an ice slide.
    I remember a Policeman cuffing me around the ear for throwing a snowball at at passing 109 bus on Clowes Street.
    Kids these days are more likely to fire a pist... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 16-Jan-2011
    Hi there, just read the post about "slides". I particularly remember the harsh winter of 47,- ideal for such activities. We would have a competition about which group made the longest,ours was in Barnard Road, and one was so long that because of the camber of the road,it gradually curved towards the gutter where we would end up in all kinds of positions.Oh! and the cotton tied to letterboxes alway... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Jan-2011
    Roy,
    Wish I had known about the rolled-up paper up the pipe, brilliant, would have had some real fun with that one.
    I never saw this next one, but heard about it, and perhaps it was just one of those urban myths, but did you ever hear of anyone cellotaping a penny banger to a window and then lighting it before running off.
    It was supposed to smash the glass, but like I say, I never actually saw... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 17-Jan-2011
    Hello again John. Never di hear of bangers taped to windows, but we did do unspeakable things with tose "weapons". How about this one though. We once had large slides in our parks, at least they seemed bigger then than they are now(health and safety brigade I suppose) Two or three of us would go to the park, and take a couple of those wax bread wrappers. we would then sit on these, and go down the... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 17-Jan-2011
    SO IT WAS YOU !!!!!!! Mr Roy Cox
    I was one of those nippers .... Julie

  • Re: Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 17-Jan-2011
    Oooops just remembered ..... I could'nt have been
    but I do remember going down the slide myself on my cardigan , we used to have a pet dog Bonzo and he used to follow us kids down the slide too

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 17-Jan-2011
    Julie/Roy,
    Remeber the Witches Hat, thos huge cone-shaped rides that balanced and tipped over on a central steel column?
    They had seats all the way round, and if you stood close and did not watch yourself, you could get a smack under the chin that put you out and loosened your teeth.
    The Rocking Horse was another, and usually there was a real idiot standing at the front and rocking it wildly, t... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mary Clarke (Twin of Magaret) (Member 10227220) on 17-Jan-2011
    OR PUT WATER ON THE SLIDE SO THEY COULDN'T SLIDE DOWN AND HAVE TO END UP WALKING DOWN THE SLIDE

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 17-Jan-2011
    John, you were really brave if you could leap from the swing at the top of the forward movement and land on your feet. Tried it again a couple of weeks ago in the local park. Still got it! And what about standing on the seat as you swung? How daft was that?

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 19-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    I bet you had a crafty look round, just in case someone was watching you?
    You have spurred me on to have a go now.
    When I go and see our kid in the Spring, I think we will walk to Peter Pan Park in Gorton and see if the swings are still there.
    Hope the old knees don't give up.
    Imagine confessing to the kids - "you'll never guess what I did this a... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 19-Jan-2011
    John, actually I was showing off as my daughter was on the next swing to me. She was more concerned that Id showed my 3 year old granddaughter a dangerous stunt than about my knees! Still, you've got to show them how to live eh? Good luck mate.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 20-Jan-2011
    I remember a game we used to play in Thomas Street school yard, i think it was called Dragons when a line of us used to hold a hand of the person next to us and the person at the front used to run and turn and twist so the line had to turn with them in a wide circle. Not so bad if you were near to the person infront but as more people joined the line the poor mite at the end had to run like Lynfor... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by julie (Member 10255407) on 20-Jan-2011
    Lol, I remember that one too ..... Brilliant
    Did you ever play Pirates we played it in PE at school ? a little like tiggy it, chase the kids and tag them but if they were on a piece of apparatus they were ok ... remember the wall bars ?....julie

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 20-Jan-2011
    We played pirates in gym at school the rule being you could not be caught if your feet was not on the floor,so you had to be stood or hanging on a piece of apparatus.Some used to climb up on the wallbars go through the window and hide on the roof, until somebody got the bright idea of locking the windows behind them and leaving them on the roof.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 20-Jan-2011
    Any of you Thomas streeters remember the christmas pantos in the hall? Got a cracking photo of us all sitting cross legged with our paper hats on.
    And who recalls Blackie Brook? It ran thru some waste land across the main road at the end of the street. There was a fishing tackle shop around there too. There was an urban myth that the stream was populated by crocodiles and that goblins roamed the ... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 21-Jan-2011
    I remember the panto's they were great fun and a lot of work must have gone into them. Black brook ran along the back of Brookhouse flats and under the back of St Francis. The last time i was on a train passing at the back of the monastery you could still see the brook it goes under a tunnel at the rear of the monastery. It was never very deep and we used to cross over it on bricks and tin cans an... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 21-Jan-2011
    I remember the panto's they were great fun and a lot of work must have gone into them. Black brook ran along the back of Brookhouse flats and under the back of St Francis. The last time i was on a train passing at the back of the monastery you could still see the brook it goes under a tunnel at the rear of the monastery. It was never very deep and we used to cross over it on bricks and tin cans an... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 21-Jan-2011
    Yes, the Blackie Brook was a dirty, stinking mess but it was also a magnet to the kids round there. God knows what was in that filthy water, it's a wonder we didn't catch some horrible disease. Wasn't it used to carry all the toxic waste from the local factories?
    Does anybody remember looking for glue round there, then when you'd got enough you'd make it into a ball and it would bounce? I think t... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    I remember the Corn Brook.
    It surfaced behing the old Athletic Ground that once stood to the west of Preston Street, next to the Beyer Peacocks' works and then ran west under the railway line behind the old Crossley Motor Works on Gorton Lane, behind the Monestery, then through the old Manchester Corporation Yard after which is was culverted as it flowed under Soapery Street and then under Gorton... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 30-Jan-2011
    Been thinking back about the game called Ralevo. I certainly recall us kids playing this, but we also played "kickstone". In this everyone went and hid, the person who was "on", would have to find them. the discovered person then had to get back to base first,before the "on" person and shout "kickstone 123" otherwise they were out. was this the same game or a variation of Ralevo. Anyone know ?.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy,
    You are right, it was the same sort of game.
    In Clowes Street we called it "Kick-Can" though.
    Did you ever play that game called "Paper Chase" where you had to make little notes on bits of paper that you hid in areas, and each was a clue as to where the next piece of paper was hidden?
    We sent kids as far as Ardwick, and when they got back, we had all gone home for tea!
    John.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 30-Jan-2011
    John !!!, what a terrible trick, Sending someone on a wild goose(paper)chase to Ardwick,how could you!. ok,I like your sense of humour,and yes we played that game too, and played tricks on the unsuspecting. An example was that on a couple of occasions while playing hide and seek, I would let everyone hide, then slink home,and not to be seen till the following day.Needless to say, my popularity plu... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Brilliant Roy,
    And people wonder where Gortonians get their humour from?
    Keep in touch old friend,
    John.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 30-Jan-2011
    John. Did you ever play around with carbide back then?. we would make carbide bombs,- a good portion of the stuff placed in a screw top pop bottle with a cup full of water. it would then be hurled with great haste in the fashion of a German grenade, and they went off with a fair wallop. we ensured no one was around of course, they could have been WMD`s. On the school playing field at Spurley Hey, ... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 30-Jan-2011
    talking of tricks, do you remember that type of edging stone that was like twisted rope? well one day I'd dug a piece up, as you did, and convinced a local lad that we'd unearthed Roman treasure and would all be rich. He ran home with his piece of Rome and I recall him being marched back by his mum demanding to see the boy who had turned his head with such rubbish. Throughout his ordeal, he contin... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 4-Feb-2011
    Neil,
    Brilliant mate.
    Your victim probably grew up to be a Producer on Time Team, you did him a favour!
    Great story, but imagine if he had found a gold-coloured bottle stopper?
    Nice one Neil,
    John.

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 16-Feb-2011
    Sorry to spoil your fun on the swings John, but the play area in Peter Pan Park has well and truly gone now. Whole park now just one big dog toilet. But talking of madness, what about the Jerker!! Two kids standing at each end of basically a plank seating about 8 other kids and working the thing until it "jerked" because it couldn't go any higher! There used to be a fight to get in the standing/... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 16-Feb-2011
    Hi Carole. Just read your posting re the "parkie". These have long gone, but I certainly remember our local one in Greenbank park, Levenshulme. What an ogre!. He would lurk in his`den`, and if you stepped out of line, he would appear out of there like a black widow spider, and we were just as terrified, and leg it as far as possible. would`nt get reaction like that now, even the police are laughed... more >>

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 16-Feb-2011
    Hi again Carole. I think I remember you now from the Scouts parties. You had shortish blonde hair? Please confirm. Thanks Pete

  • Re: Eric Ogden by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 16-Feb-2011
    Parkies - failed Policemen I always thought, would not say boo to a wife at home, but would stalk little kids all day just in case they shouted or laughed - in a park!!

  • Re: Eric Ogden by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 20-Feb-2011
    Hair colour depends on what day of week it was Peter! But probably was blonde streaks at that time as opposed to grey dyed red ones now! Always with Lynne, Dad etc at noisy table bending with weight of drinks! Can remember we tortured some poor chap all night once as we insisted he looked like Reg off Corry. Probably beer goggles but it kept us entertained. Might have been the night the police r... more >>

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MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 7-Dec-2010
As all Gortonians know this was the Las Vegas of West Gorton. My mum and Dad used to drink in the Palm Court Bar at the main entrance. It became Caesar's Palace and then Jennisons before demolition. I remember going to church on a Sunday morning to St. Francis Monastery and the whooping of monkeys and the noise from the Lion House was deafening. In the fairground when your money ran out it was tha... more >>   
  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Dec-2010
    Hi Roy,
    One highlight for us kids in the 1950's was the annual fireworks display held inside Belle Vue and always using the boating lake as a back-drop.
    The one that sticks in my mind was about 1955, and the theme was "The Storming of Quebec", a re-enactment of General Wolf's attack on the French.
    It was all light and sound and lots of cannonfire, and we loved it.
    My grandparents used to tell ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 7-Dec-2010
    Hi Chaps. my usual mode of entry was after the speedway when it was free. I never had the courage to rid the Bobs or the Scenic railway. My favourite was the Caterpiller. I remember once chucking stones at the spooks on the Ghost Train causing it to break down. They had to put the lights on and lead us all out. what a yob I was. Do you remember the Wall of Death; the motorcyclist in the wooden tub... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 7-Dec-2010
    Hi John and Neil!
    I think so many people must have treasured memories of Belle Vue. I managed the Scenic Railway and Water Chute but the Bobs always looked terrifying. The Caterpillar, The Bug and The Octopus (and I believe The Waltzer)were a laugh. There was also the miniature train that ran round the site. I don't think that the Zoo would have passed any animal rights inspection today.There was... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Dec-2010
    That's so true Roy, I used to go to the speedway one week and stockcars the next.
    The big Belle Vue Aces hero was Peter CRAVEN until he was killed at Edinburgh, and I remember Ove FUNDIN was quite a rider.
    On Hyde Road just past Cambert Lane was a wallpaper shop called DOBSONS.
    The owner was a Belle Vue Aces star from the 1930's and 1940's who was known as Acorn DOBSON.
    I understand that the B... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 7-Dec-2010
    Guys, wasn't there a terrible accident many years ago when a car flew off the Bobs and into Hyde Road? As well as stock cars there used to be miniature car racing every so on. I still have my BV Aces badge for which you'd buy yearly bars to attach to. Mine has 8 bars from 56 to 63 including the special one when Peter Craven won the world championship. We used to wear discarded goggles and sit on t... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 7-Dec-2010
    Hey, if you want a really interesting tale about Belle Vue, look up 'the elephant (Maharaja) that walked to Manchester'. It's so good.
    By the way, the garage I referred to was on Hunters Lane. Momentary loss of memory, unlike the elephant. regards neil

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 8-Dec-2010
    Hi Neil
    Yes, I remember the garage at the corner of Hunters Lane and Hyde Rd. and recall the place when it was being demolished. It lay just at the speedway entrance. The main reason I never went on the Bobs was because of that first drop which overlooked Hyde Rd. The car banked to the left at a steep angle and in those days it was only the principle of torque that kept it on the rails. I will ha... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 8-Dec-2010
    Hi John
    The Globe Cafe was better than Egon Ronay could ever produce.You may not believe this but someone I knew in Stowell St. had his wedding reception there following a shotgun wedding. I would think that the guests would be suitably impressed!!
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 8-Dec-2010
    Hi Guys
    Did any of you ever go and see the Spider Woman at Belle Vue. I never ever witnessed the spectacle. I also don't know of anyone who went on the Helter Skelter and didn't come off with severe burns to thigh and elbow. The coconut mat was bad enough!
    The Paddock Range used to contain animals that were literally falling to pieces. There was actually a giraffe with a wooden leg.
    The funnies... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Barrie Loftus (Member 10255079) on 8-Dec-2010
    Hello Everybody, what a great topic. I worked at Belle Vue in the summers of 1959 and 1960. I was on the dodgems, waltzer and hoopla (when a dodgem driver ran me over and broke my ankle!) Those firework displays were terrific and could be seen from the bedroom window where we lived in Openshaw. Never thought the place would disappear as it did. Belle Vue Speedway was the greatest; what a ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 8-Dec-2010
    I did see the Spider Woman! I recall You were ferried back into a stall where there was a huge web and body painted on a backcloth/board with a hole in the middle. You can guess the rest. Pretty naff even in the 50's. I too worked there in the late 50's. I did one day atop the helter skelter chucking people down to prevent any backlog. Suppose Id better apologise to everyone for those burns. The b... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 8-Dec-2010
    We had three ways of getting into Belle Vue for nothing. We would wait for the speedway crowds to come out then slink past the bloke on the door. Another way was to squeeze through the exit turnstiles on Hyde Rd and then run like the clappers if we thought there was nobody about. the last way (a little bit dangerous) was to climb on top of the 53 bus shelter on Kirkmanshulme Lane and then scale a ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 9-Dec-2010
    I had moved from Clowes Street to Cambert Lane at the time the Boating Lake was filled in and the Belle Vue Granada Bowl was built on the site - well before the current housing development had been started.
    There was complete amazement when the Boating Lake was sacrificed for the bowling alley, nobody could believe it had happened.
    The problem was that in the late 60's and early 70's Bellue Vue ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 9-Dec-2010
    Calling All Belle Vue Contributors.
    Does anyone remember the Queen's visit to Belle Vue in the 1950's? I remember her entourage of black cars coming back from Belle Vue and Hyde Road outside Mawsons etc. was literally packed with the locals waving flags and cheering. It is a very distant but vivid memory.
    It's amazing the number of ways we found to enter Belle Vue without paying. There was a hig... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 9-Dec-2010
    I remember going to a CWS Food Exhibition held in Belle Vue in the early 60's, I was around 5 or 6 at the time and thought it was great tasting all the food samples. Another time around 1968 there was some kind of summer show on with Tony Wilson (of Granada) and Tony Blackburn being driven around the place in Mini Moke's. Going to see the Circus in was it the Kings Hall? always brings to mind a bi... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 9-Dec-2010
    I remember standing on the corner of Hyde rd and ashmore and seeing the queen ride by in her big black car. I had to peer aroud the adults who took the best vantage points a the front. In those days V was used often as a place to celebrate. When City won the cup in 56 they rode up Hyde rd to BV in an open top bus. My dad and I watched them go past from our open front window over the walk round sho... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 9-Dec-2010
    Roy, John Healey and I once decided to see how far we could get from our favourite watering hole opposite BV, the Victoria, to Clowes street, having half a pint in each pub. We got as far as the Harrington! we were wrecked.How many pubs do you remember? Did you ever get into the one at the back entrance of BV? Was it called the Longsite Hotel?

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Dec-2010
    Neil
    I drank regularly in the Longsight Hotel because it was like going back in time. I liked the Robinsons bitter in the Coach and Horses at the front end. I drank in the Victoria, the Rock, the Nags, Travs, Unicorn, Horseshoe, Harrington and the Justice Birch. I remember the White Bear as a kid before it was demolished. Did you ever try one in the Brunswick at the corner of Birch and Belle Vue ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Dec-2010
    Paul
    I went to the very same Food Exhibition at Belle Vue and literally gorged on the free samples. I think it was about 1960. I don't recall any more being held there.
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 10-Dec-2010
    Guys,
    I never really drank in West Gorton because I moved to Gorton in 1969, but years later I used to drink at the Imperial Inn on Birch Street opposite the cinema (as was) - I think it was the Southern Sporting Club by then.
    The licensee was a little guy called Wilf, who was actually a tailor by trade and used to work for the Manchester City Police at Longsight Police Station on Stockport Road... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Dec-2010
    John
    I remember the Unicorn pub on Hyde Road but didn't know there was one on Clowes St. Exactly where was it? The Hyde Road or Gorton Lane end?
    Does anyone remember the Cheshire Cheese Pub on Clowes St? Since the "Wellie" closed down I would think only The Aces is left. Also does anyone know if there was a big pub on the corner of Clowes St. and Hyde Road opposite the Junction and Dolphin?
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 10-Dec-2010
    Roy,
    I have got the name wrong.
    The pub was definitely the last one standing on Clowes Street, and was first on the left as you turned into Clowes Street from Hyde Road, and on the same side, but a few yards before, the old Conway Cinema.
    By the way, Nellie Street ran north from Thomas Street and came out on Bennett Street right opposite the old Bennett Street Rec.
    On one side of Nellie Street... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 10-Dec-2010
    Roy,
    Try as I might, I can't trace Euclid Street, though I have a vague memory of one in Gorton.
    I know there was one in Beswick, between Ashton New Road and Ashton Old Road.
    Sorry I can't help mate, but I will keep trying.
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Kibble (Member 10254258) on 12-Dec-2010
    Hi

    Regarding Belle Vue, like others I remember the speedway, Billy Powell always seemed to fall off! I also used to go to the wrestling on Saturday, Jack Pye, The Mask and Dennis Mitchell. I even saw Primo Carnera when he was reduced to wrestling. He was huge, no wonder he was nicknamed the Ambling Alp.

    I also remember every winter going to the circus with Geprge Lockhart as the MC and Jacko... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Dec-2010
    Dave,
    My late Dad was a middleweight boxer, and for years had a photo of him shaking hands with Primo CARNERA when he visited the Blood Tub on Gorton Lane near to Ashbury's Station.
    I wish I had it now, but it's lost forever.
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Kibble (Member 10254258) on 12-Dec-2010
    John

    I don't know whether you are interested in boxing but I loved to listen to the fights on radio. Eammon Andrews and Raymond Glendenning. I can remember they used to have world title fights at Belle Vue and huddling under the covers listening on the tranny to Terry Downes losing to Willie Pastrano at the Kings Hall to win the world title. Alan Rudkin beating Walter McGowan for a version of the world title.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 12-Dec-2010
    Hi Dave. I recall a time at the speedway when there was a rider who never completed a race, usually falling off somewhere.They ran a weekly competition in the programme whereby you had to nominate a spot and the lap that this would happen. Was that Billy Powell?
    I never made the circus, even though I lived close by, but people dont believe me when I tell them the stories about the elephant strolling in the street.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Kibble (Member 10254258) on 13-Dec-2010
    Hi Neil

    You would have got short odds on Billy being the first to fall off! I think he worked at a motor bike shop at the corner of Hunters Lane and Hyde Road, directly opposite the Speedway entrance.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Dec-2010
    One thing always sticks in my memmory about Belle Vue's Speedway, and that was the smell of the fuel that they used in their bikes.
    Although no mechanic,I seem to remember being told that the engines were JAP make, four cylinder models, and burned some sort of super-fuel, some kind of mixture,and I think it was petrol mixed with pure castor oil.
    I can never forget the smell.
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Barrie Loftus (Member 10255079) on 23-Dec-2010
    Hello John, that distinctive smell was Castrol R and as kids we all loved it. The bikes were JAP but single cylinder 500cc (although you were allowed to bore them out slightly). No brakes of course and no silencers. They used to sound absolutely fabulous going round the old Belle Vue track. It was magical to watch a race and see the old scenic railway going at the same time.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 23-Dec-2010
    Barrie,
    Thanks for the explanation mate.
    You are right, the sight and sounds and smells live with us for ever.
    I went on the Scenic Railway, but never had the nerves for the Bobs.
    Fireworks displays (I remember the Storming of Quebec) were spectacular to us kids,and there is nothing like that in Gorton now, what a shame.
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Dec-2010
    In the late 60's, the then Prime Minister Harold WILSON visited West Gorton and attended a rally held in the King's Hall, Bell Vue.
    When leaving, a huge crowd had gathered on Hyde Road outside the Palm Court.
    He tried to speak to this crowd, but could not be heard.
    Some bright spark brought a hoist or cherry-picker-type hydraulic machine outside, and WILSON was hoisted high above the crowd.
    So... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 30-Dec-2010
    John
    Regarding Harold Wilsons's visit to Belle Vue, my mother made up the flower he wore in his lapel with silver paper etc. as she was working in the catering department - a poignant memory.
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 30-Dec-2010
    John
    Regarding Harold Wilsons's visit to Belle Vue, my mother made up the flower he wore in his lapel with silver paper etc. as she was working in the catering department - a poignant memory.
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 30-Dec-2010
    To All You Belle Vue lovers.
    Great publication is available called "Looking Back - Belle Vue" by Robert Nicholls.There is a picture of the student on the track of the Bobs who got the record for riding on it non-stop over 350 times - which is over 350 times more than I went on it!! Roy

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Dec-2010
    Roy,
    Great story about you Mum.
    I never found the nerve to ride the Bobs, there were all sorts of stories (probably all false), that the track was not fastened down properly, that the wheels were loose, that children had been flung off into the Car Park opposite, so it was easier for me to believe them, and stay on the ground.
    I can remember the Water Chute being built, that was a more gentle r... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mary Clarke (Twin of Magaret) (Member 10227220) on 30-Dec-2010
    Always good to hear messages about Belle Vue. I wrote two poems that sums it all up, and reminds me in detail of that great showground, Sentences such as..... As Gorton once more , became alive,With Speedway. Dance Hall, and Fun Fair" and The memories were great, and make no mistake, we'll always remember Belle Vue"
    Keep those memories coming in, I love to hear about them

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 30-Dec-2010
    back in the early 60's BV would play an annual cricket match against their caterers, TH Forte, on the middle of the speedway field. they produced quite a professional team whilst BV fielded a bunch of would-be sloggers. I went in at number three, was bowled first ball, allowed to stay in out of sympathy, scored 4 byes off my head with the second ball, and was stumped third ball. They didnt have he... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 30-Dec-2010
    John, do you remember the flea circus? wonder if that's where the camel got it's passengers from.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Yes I do, it was one of those places you knew about but would not go in.
    I always found that when you walked past the door, you took a wide berth and walked round those coming out.
    I remember seeing photographs in the Manchester Evening News of the fleas pulling carts and the like, but I never went inside.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 3-Jan-2011
    John, all those fleas died when the owner mistakenly bathed them in some flea shampoo ;-) ;-)

    Belle Vue to me was like entering into a different world, just pure entertainment and fantasy. On a Saturday night, you had the choice of wrestling, speedway or stock cars, funfair, bowling, dog racing, and you could finish it off with either the Bavaria Bier Halle or the Elizabethan ballroom dancing o... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 3-Jan-2011
    Thanks Peter, will give it a look right now.
    You were right about the entertainment, it was years ahead of its time, I wonder if it would all look a bit tacky now, not so sure.
    Our expectations were quite low, and for us it really was another world.
    It would be nice to turn the clock back and have another look, which is why I take loads of snaps of my kids and grand-children, I have hardly any ... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 20-Jan-2011
    Can anyone remember when a monkey escaped from Belle Vue. I remember a man from the Zoo shooting it off the roof of some houses i think it was on Henry street or the street after Robert Street going towards Belle Vue.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by julie (Member 10255407) on 20-Jan-2011
    AWWWWWWW

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 20-Jan-2011
    It was actually Renshaw St or possibly Savoy St. I climbed up onto the roof where it was and got within a few feet but the poor thing was frightened to death and wouldn't come near me. When I came down the press was there ready to interview me and take my photo. I was very upset when I learned it had been shot.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 25-Jan-2011
    Hi Kate, can you remember the flea circus when the fleas used to walk the tightrope and lift dumbells and ride a little bike how weird was that? The man used to show you the marks on his arm where he fed the horrible things YUKKK !!
    I once used to help out in the House of Nonsense can you remember that place? When you came out of the house at the top there was a small room with a few slot machin... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 25-Jan-2011
    Hi Dave,
    You don't need to apologise, I wasn't one of your victims! Strangely enough I don't remember the House of Mirrors, and I thought I knew every ride and stall in the place.
    Do you remember the House of Mirrors where you would get horribly distorted? All good, clean fun.
    I used to help on the catering side on bank holidays and also worked on the hoopla stall only to be told off by the own... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 25-Jan-2011
    Hi Dave,
    Apologies for my last post. Obviously I meant to say I didn't remember the House of Nonsense. I don't remember the Flea House either, it must have been one of the few places I didn't go in. My favourite was the penny arcade near the monkey house. What an assortment of machines!

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hi Kate
    Sure do remember the house of mirrors, i think i have two of them at home. The one that made you look fatter and the one that used to stretch your neck and face to resemble E T.What about the waxworks, the speedway,stock cars, wrestling and all the food exhibitions.I remember one year they gave away a load of dog biscuits in the food exibition.
    The baboons loved them.
    What about the fir... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    Dave,

    I remember seeing the re-enactment of the "Storming of Quebec" around 1956 or 1957, and staring at the fireworks and holding my ears at the explosions, it was wonderous to us kids.

    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by f.canavan (Member 10111013) on 30-Jan-2011
    I can solve the great Spider Woman Mystery, her name was Kathleen Mouran and she lived in Brookhouse Flats and went to St. Francis school
    she would have been about 16 at the time.
    What a joke , all those punters paying a tanner a time !
    I don`t remember a giraffe with a wooden leg

    ( more info. on this someone please ) but I do remember the flea circus it was incredible , they actually trai... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Looking back, the Spider Woman was so obviously a woman's head stuck through a hole in a cardboard spider body on a painted web.
    Like you say, what a con, and I wonder how much she was paid?
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 1-Feb-2011
    Hi John. I have many fond memories of Belle Vue as a youngster. Then, we would go to the speedway meetings,and with the same ticket it enabled you to go into the fun park afterwards. I would head for the dodgems or the `bug`,- a round tub which took around 6 to 8 people. This then climbed a ramp to one side, then come careering down a zig zag track, and spinning at the same time. The octopus was a... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy,
    I remember that my Grandad, a veteran of the Gallipoli Landings in the First World War, was a member of the Corps of Commissionaires, and was permenantly stationed outside Belle Vue's Main Entrance.
    Me and our kid (we lived next door to Grandad on Clowes Street), used to turn up any day at all and get in for free, but obviously we had to pay for the Speedway every other Saturday evening,... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 2-Feb-2011
    John,Hi there. I havn`t seen the photo you mention here, but what a surprise that must have been for you,-great. Found a piece of info this week, which you may or may not know about. Brookfield Church,- this was built by Mr. Peacock, and St.James church on Wellington St. was built by Mr. Beyer. these men were synonomous with loco building of course, but I did`nt know about this connection did you?

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 4-Feb-2011
    PEACOCKS MEMORIAL STILL STANDS IN BROOKFIELD CEMETERY

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Carole Glennon (Member 10249906) on 6-Feb-2011
    What about Top 10 Club on a Sunday night when the DJ was Jimmy Saville assisted by Dave Eager! And they arrived on a moving circle thing to a tooting horn! I saw my first proper live group there apx 1964 I think, and it was Herman's Hermits. Used to see the best acts for about 5 bob, including one fantastic night, Stevie Wonder no less! There was a dual membership - milk bar for under 18's and rea... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy,
    Yes I heard this story, and it's true of course.
    There was also a twist to it, and I am definitely NOT sure if this is correct, so you may have heard it to:
    There was a bit of a race as to who would build his church first, Mr Beyer or Mr Peacock.
    I heard that there was only one set of bells that could be afforded at the time, and whoever finished their church spire first would be provi... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Feb-2011
    For Roy COX:
    Roy,
    The book I mentioned is called "Images of England - GORTON" by Jill CRONIN and Frank RHODES, published by TEMPUS Publishing Limited of The Mill, Brimscombe Port, Stroud, Gloucestershire GL5 2QG.
    The photo is on page 102 and my late Dad is on the very back row, 6th from the left, with the proud high forehead and great mop of black hair, a real handsome man he was.
    It's a "char... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 7-Feb-2011
    John, Hi there,re Brookfield Church. you are right about the bells. Have you seen a site called "Our Manchester"?. If you Google this title, then on the main page there is a link to Gorton and Openshaw reporter.On the left go to `archives`, and it comes up with some interesting bits of info,And Brookfield Church,(where my Mum used to attend)is at the top of the list, including the story of the bel... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 7-Feb-2011
    John. re the Bobs in Belle Vue. I recall this contraption very well, and that it was never for the faint hearted !.I once tried the Scenic Railway, but my Mum would`nt let me near the Bobs. Maybe I was too young I can`t recall. Two years ago, my Son and I went to Florida, and we rode every coaster we could find!. Some of these made the Bobs look like a canal bridge, great fun, but not after a few beers!!.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Feb-2011
    Roy,
    I read an article this week about the demolition of Belle Vue's Zoological Gardens, and do you know that when they tried to sell off the Bobs, nobody wanted it, and they failed to find a buyer for it.
    It was eventually sold for scrap, how sad is that?
    John.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 13-Feb-2011
    Very sad indeed. you might say the Bobs was part of Manchester`s heritage. It was certainly part of the "fixtures and fittings", and to think I never rode it. that too is sad.

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 22-Mar-2011
    Hello again John. I have finally located the book that you told me about,- Images of England (Gorton). You are right, what a great little book. so many memories here,quite a lot that I can recall. Eg., the Swan Inn on Hyde Rd,- my Grandad used to go in there occasionally sometimes when Gran was shopping in the big co-op opposite.As for the pub outing photo,- great, but how many would wear a collar... more >>

  • Re: MEMORIES OF BELLE VUE by Michael Massey (Member 10258650) on 5-Apr-2011
    As I type this I am looking at a photograph I have hanging on the wall of my den,named "Jungle Express".It is of the Elephant at Belle Vue that used to gives rides.There must be twelve children on the seating that was strapped to his back,and yes,it is being led by the guy that lived off Redgate Lane dressed in his full Indian regalia.Used to buy my entrance ticket from the Co-op on Hyde Road.Cost? 6p!

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Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by Barrie Loftus (Member 10255079) on 1-Dec-2010
My grandmother (Mrs Martha Brett) died in March 1957 (aged 80). She lived at 212 Thomas Street. She was married twice - first to Matthew Loftus who died in 1913 and then to Edward Brett. I am sure I remember a newspaper article in the Gorton & Openshaw Reporter when she died and I'm pretty sure it referred to the fact she had 21 children. Unfortunately I have been unable to find any trace ... more >>   
  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Dec-2010
    Hello mate,
    Was there an Ernie BRETT in the family, a Policeman at Longsight Police Station on Stockport Road and a fine fotballer too?
    I knew Ernie BRETT very well.
    John.

  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by Kate Nowell (Member 10137684) on 1-Dec-2010
    I remember a Freda Loftus who lived very near to Thomas St school, it was one of the side streets off Thomas St. I think they were a large family and Freda would now be in her 60's.

  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by Barrie Loftus (Member 10255079) on 4-Dec-2010
    Thank you both. I'm afraid I know very little about the Brett side of the family. There was an Uncle Albert who had a thumb missing but other than that I'm at a loss. Freda sounds like one of the clan. Thanks for taking the time to reply, it is much appreciated.

  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by Barrie Loftus (Member 10255079) on 23-Dec-2010
    Found out a little bit more about the Brett family. In 1881 they lived in Wainwright Street, in 1891 in Haigh Street, in 1901 Herbert Street and in 1911 Benson Street - all Gorton. His first wife must have died about 1912 because he married my grandmother in 1913 and they lived in Gardner Street. Unfortunately still cannot find anything out about Martha Brett (my grandmother) but I am beginn... more >>

  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by mavis fluerty (Member 10062155) on 27-Jan-2011
    Hi Remember Ernie Brett, he was in my class at school, All Saints. I have a school photo with him on it, if its the saME ONE HE WOULD BE ROUND 70 NOW?

    mAVIS

  • Re: Loftus/Brett family West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Jan-2011
    Mavis,
    That could be the Ernie BRETT I knew.
    He was a Policeman at Manchester and a very good footballer.
    His age would be about right.
    His great-grandfather was Sgt BRETT, who was shot dead by Fenians on Hyde Road, Ardwick in the 1800's, which led to the hanging of the Manchester Martyrs.
    I would have thought that Ernie would still be al... more >>

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Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 18-Nov-2010
Is there anyone out there who can recall the area bounded by Mount road, Longsight road,Barnard road, and East road.I was born in Second Avenue(now Cornforth Ave.)I left there in 1946, and moved to Levenshulme. I can recall several names from that time, but of course the grim reaper will have caught up with some. Any info would be appreciated. Cheers Royston.   
  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Gary morris (Member 10236122) on 13-Dec-2010
    Hi Roy.
    My Father in law,Tommy Dunn lived around that area in Patey st,I hope the name sounds familiar!!

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 15-Dec-2010
    Hello Gary. Thanks for your reply. Patey St., that is Longsight is`nt it. Did`nt know many people over there, except a Musgrove family, who lived on Hemmons Rd, on the corner of Innes St. I was at Spurley Hey with a daughter of theirs,- Barbara. I have tried to trace her in the past, but no luck.I can recall quite a few names from over the "clay pit".But not Longsight. Thanks again for getting in touch. Cheers, Roy.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Dec-2010
    Can anyone recall drinking in the Gorton Mount Hotel on Mount Road in the mid 70's?
    I am trying to remember the name of the Licensee, his first name was definitely Tommy.
    He was about sixty and on the outside he was a really miserable old bugger, but had a lovely sense of humour and would sling anyone out of the place who dared criticise his beer.
    His idea of Pub Grub was a bag of salted peanut... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 28-Dec-2010
    It was Tommy Mills, John.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Dec-2010
    Peter, many many thanks mate, it WAS Tommy MILLS, that's brought back many memories.
    Tommy was a real character and we became good friends before I left Manchester for the Forest of Dean.
    He had a great line when confronted by someone about to under-estimate his determination to keep his house in order:
    He would hold a half-pint glass in one hand and look the unfortunate victim in the eye and s... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 28-Dec-2010
    That's ok John. I was a young lad when I started going in the Mount around 1976. He was rarely around then, always upstairs. About 5 years ago I was in a pub in Ilfracombe, North Devon and a regular came up to talk to me, so I spoke back, being on holiday like you do. He was an Irishman who spent most of his working life in Manchester, and told me he lived near a place called Belle Vue. When he fo... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Dec-2010
    What a great story.
    The area we both knew is changed beyond recognition.
    Two months ago I saw a CCTV video image taken this year outside the Gorton Mount, it was on Google.
    You see a man walk out into Mount Road with some others and a car pulls up.
    A young lad from the car gets out, approaches this man, and places a gun against his forehead.
    The man wrsetles the gun off this lad, who... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 29-Dec-2010
    Hello again John. Just read comments about the 'Mount' in Gorton. My Grandad used to have a gill or four in there. As a youngster In remember there was a door on the corner (now bricked up) This was an off licence, and inside was a frosted glass sash window which was lifted to serve customers. Among the regular visitors to the 'offy' was a Mrs Fitzsimmons from First Avenue, and others who would ar... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Dec-2010
    Roy,
    I remember a few pubs had that facility, it was a way of taking more money without having customers inside the pub, and in some way it spelled the end of the old-fashioned "outdoor beer licence" shop, which sold beer and wine and nothing else.
    There was one a few yards from me when I lived on Cambert Lane, and the sight of women bringing a white jug full of beer home for the "old man" was v... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 31-Dec-2010
    Hi John, thanks for your reply. Do you recall Kofflers electrical and radio shop on Hyde Rd. It was in the window there where I first saw a TV. It was a flickering contraption, and you could hardly see what was supposed to be on it,- the shape of things to come!!. All the best for the New Year. I am off up to Langdale in the lakes now, spending NY there with friends. Plenty of real ale and log fires,-- Heaven,Cheers.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 31-Dec-2010
    Hi again John. Just back to Tommy Mills of The Mount, I heard as a kid that he was a retired policeman. Anyone know that as true?

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 31-Dec-2010
    Roy,
    I remember Kofflers very well indeed, and in the 50's my Dad bought an EKCO radio from there, well before we got a "goggle box".
    This radio ran on an Ever Ready battery and the novelty was that when you opened the lid, the radio came on and when you closed it, the radio went off.
    The earliest programme I remember was the Forces Request Show on Sundays, from BFPO40, which I think was from C... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 1-Jan-2011
    Happy New Year John, and keep writing those memories. Gorton isn't anything like it was.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Jan-2011
    Does anyone remember the Essoldo on Mount Road?
    The first film I saw there was "Davy Crockett - King of The Wild Frontier", starring Fess PARKER and Buddy EBSEN (he later went on to play Jed CLAMPETT in the Beverley Hillbillies).
    It was a really nice cinema, probably the classiest one in Gorton.
    When the film finished, it was straight to the nearest "chippy".
    Fish and chips cost one shilling a... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 6-Jan-2011
    Hi John,
    The Essoldo is the first picture house I can remember going to, I'd have been about 5 years old to see Pinnochio, can only remember going in there the once though.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by neil clannachan (Member 10253676) on 6-Jan-2011
    John I saw Davy Crocket at the Apollo. Did you wear your hat? My mum made me one from my gran's fur coat, lined with silk. I remember the place was a sea of cats on heads and I reckon I had the poshest one of them all.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mary Clarke (Twin of Magaret) (Member 10227220) on 6-Jan-2011
    Talking of local cinemas Paul, when you were 10 days old, my first day home from the hospital, auntie Jean baby sat you while I went with your dad to see "The Man from Lamarie," starring James Stewart, at the Queens in Longsight, does anyone remember the Queens, The Shasbury, and The Kings, on Stochport road,? you were always sure of a choice of three main films. Mainly westerns in 1955

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Jan-2011
    Neil,
    Who made millions out of those hats?
    Someone must have cleaned up on their sale.
    Everyone seemed to have one after the film came out, and her's something I remember - there was a spate when mothers found the long wooden brush handles missing from their yard brushes, because we used to take them out, wearing our Davy CROCKETT hats and use them as pretent Kentucky Long Rifles.
    How sad was ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Jan-2011
    Mary,
    I saw the "Man from Laramie" at the Apollo at Ardwick Green, anoher really luxurious cinema.
    I saw it recently on Sky and started singing the title song again - you can't get it out of your head can you?
    Wasn't James Stewart such a clean-cut cowboy?
    I never saw a speck of dust on him at all, but they were all the same.
    Gr... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    Hi
    The Essoldo, was that just off Stockport Road set back a little
    the 169/170 bus route as it turned onto Stockport Road it was right in front of you , thanks Julie

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Jan-2011
    Hi Julie,
    The Essoldo stood on the left-hand-side of Mount Road, just round the corner from the Hyde Road/Kirkmanshulme Lane junction, and facing the Greyhound Stadium.
    There was a bus stop outside where the 169-170 buses to Kingsway used to stop (I used to catch these buses to Kingsway and another up to Parrs Wood on Saturdays, to play rugby for the school).
    I know where you are thinking of th... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    Hi , I have googled the Essoldo and it came up with the one I thought it was , but the one on Stockport road did have another name that you and I will I am sure find out.
    I dont remember the one on hyde road though

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    THE palace !!!!!!!!!

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    The palace was the one on Stocport Road ... julie

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 7-Jan-2011
    The one set back off Stockport Rd was the Levensulme Palace.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    Yes thats right thats the one I used to to as a child the one at the other end Hyde Road perhaps had been knocked down , there is a new one now is'nt there .
    John does the name Clarke mean anything to you I am thinking that my aunt Veronica ( Three Arrows
    her name at one time was Clarke.
    I have been told that my Grandparents had the Three Arrows before her their name was Smith. Their eldest Ve... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 7-Jan-2011
    Cheers Paul ,,, julie

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Jan-2011
    Well done guys and gals, the PALACE, just shows you what collective memories can achieve, I recall it clearly now.
    The only CLARK I remember was Alan (Bunny) CLARK, who was a goalkeeper at St Marks' in 1956.
    He lived off Birch Street, West Gorton.
    Sorry.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 12-Jan-2011
    I see the cinema mentioned - the Essoldo near Belle Vue. this was originally the Rivolli, and as such went there many times as a child with my Mother A school pal of mine went to work there as a projectionist, - Albert Toothill unfortunately no longer with us. Levenshulme is mentioned here too. There were four cinemas there, the Arcadia (bug hut) Palace, the Grand, and the largest one the Regal ( ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 12-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy,
    I had a weekend job at that grocer's, riding an old steel-framed bike with a wicker basket on the front, and delivering groceries to homes who had ordered their weekly shop.
    I was about 14 at the time (1961) and remember my lungs bursting as I cycled up Hyde Road and past Reddish Bridge towards the old Lancashire boundary near Clumber Road.
    Mind you, the coasting back downhill was heave... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Irene ( Dunn ) Truman (Member 10023158) on 22-Jan-2011
    I used to think the Essoldo was a high price cinema. Unlike the Cosmo and the Corona
    Fess Parker died about a year ago. Here in the US he was also known for his winery in California.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 22-Jan-2011
    Irene,
    I heard about him dying and read about his winery.
    He turned out to be a really respected and dignified man, and a very gentle man too!
    Buddy EBSEN, who was his sidekick in the film, and who later starred as Jed CLAMPETT in the Beverley Hillbillies apparantly started out as an exhibition dancer who turned to acting.
    I never saw the sequel, "Davy Crocket and the River Pirates" - it seeme... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 26-Jan-2011
    Hello John. Just thought I would change the subject a little. The old coaches and day trips to Blackpool etc. I recollect Connoleys Coaches on Hyde Rd just past Wellington St. When we moved to Levenshulme, There was Hacketts, who operated the pointed nosed Bedfords Known to us kids as "boneshakers". Hartleys was another. This firm eventually had Crossleys, and these were sheer luxury after the Bed... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by jeannette meecham nee hazlewood (Member 10257201) on 26-Jan-2011
    TOMMY MILLS TAUGHT MY BROTHER TOMMY HAZLEWOOD THE BREWERY TRADE IN THE SIXTIES.. HE STARTED OFF WORKING THE BAR... AND TOMMY MILLS WAS A MISERABLE OLD GIT AS ONE AS ALREADY PUT BUT A GENTLEMEN...

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 26-Jan-2011
    Jeanndette,
    Tommy Mills always gave the impression of being a miserable old bugger, but deep down he had a heart of gold, and I never knew him do anyone a bad turn.
    What is not generally known is that he gave hundreds of pounds away every year, whenever he heard that a pensioner was in financial trouble.
    I drove him to a flat on the Sutton Estate one night when he handed over a wad of five poun... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Jan-2011
    Roy, it was MAYNE'S COACHES that my Dad's mate drove for, of Audenshaw I believe.
    Does that ring a bell at all?
    John.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 28-Jan-2011
    Hello John. Maynes Coaches. I remember this company well. Their garage (depot) was on Ashton New Rd. between Clayton and Droylsden on the right going towards Ashton. As a lad, I recall they had double deckers, and their livery was a dark marroon with pale turquoise bands above the lower deck windows.They ran a service from Stevenson Square in Manchester to Sunnyside in Droylsden, via Beswick, A Ne... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 28-Jan-2011
    Hello Roy, I've just noticed you were asking where I use to live after I answered your Evers query. It was just off Belle Vue St facing the 2 phone boxes, one of them use to be one of the old Police boxes when we first moved there in 1960. What year roughley would it have been when you said you remember seeing Clancy's, Lamb's and Evers tipping at Jackson's tip?

    Paul.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 28-Jan-2011
    Hello again Paul. The time I refer to, was when I lived in Second Avenue.We left there in 1948, so it would be before this c 45 to 48. I think tipping there took place during the latter part of the war, but not too sure exactly. The brickworks was still operating, as was the large bucket excavater on the claypit on Longsight Rd ( next to Gorton Mount school) This too was eventually filled in, but ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 28-Jan-2011
    Hi Roy,

    When I lived on Church (Cambert) Lane, I went to grammar school in Whitworth Street in town.
    I used to catch buses on Hyde Road near the Midland Hotel and Gorton Town Hall.
    I remember the 57 and 77 and the 210 and 211, but there were others I think, and I remember trolley buses but not trams.
    I can remember when I was a kid living right on Clowes Street that the 109 (Bulls Head, Redd... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 29-Jan-2011
    Hello Roy, thats a great insight you gave me, untill now I always thought that Jackson's Brick works and the tip, was the same place, the one used by the Corporation on Matthews Lane in the early 70's. If you've any interrest in seeing those old vehicles again you can email me on, paul.hartley55@btinternet.com
    and I will send you some old photos I have of Jackson's, Thomas Lamb's and Evers.
    Som... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 30-Jan-2011
    Hello again Paul. I may be able to shed some light on the subject of Jacksons tips. When I live in Second Ave, this with First and Lowther Ave`s, backed on to the original tip I have refered to, and this was the old claypit that was being filled in at the time with these lorries. If you turned into Longsight Rd. off Mount Rd by Gorton Mount school, this, afte 100yds. or so, became a footpath which... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 1-Feb-2011
    Anyone remember or deal with the Beswick Co-op. There was a branch on Mount Rd. Where my Mother and Grandmother shopped.there was a butcher greengrocer, and a large grocery dept. In there was a system whereby your cash was put into a metal cup. this was then attatched to a small carriage suspended on pulleys. it was given a twist, bayonet fashion, then the assistant pulled a spring loaded handle, ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Feb-2011
    Roy,
    Remember this system very well, but at the large Coop on Hyde Road opposite Gortoncross Street.
    It used to fascinate us watching these cannisters fly off and come back so quickly.
    Mother used the "divi" each summer for holiday clothes - usually two pairs of khaki shorts each, two white vests and a pair of black "gollies", and off to Towyn in North Wales by train from from Exchange Station,... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 1-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy, was it the Domino Club.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 2-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy
    The only club near there was the Domino i had plenty of nights out there. It was a real classy place. The front part of the stage was pushed under the back part (like a telescope) to create the dance floor. Still had some great nights there in late 60's early 70's. Bachelor nights and 21st do's it was one of the few places that would let groups of lads in together. Can't think why.
    Great memories
    Dave

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 2-Feb-2011
    Hi Dave/Paul. About the Domino Club, not the right one. I remember that place ok, but never went in there. But, hang on, I have the location wrong. It was`nt there, it was at the other end of Grey Mare Ln.- the Ashton NEW Rd. end. It was on the right, and looked like a Working Mens club. It may well have been, but I seem to remember it having some name or other. does that help?.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Dave Wright (Member 10256925) on 2-Feb-2011
    Hi Roy
    Sounds like the Bradford Labour club at the other end of Grey Mare Lane. If it is i am sure the building is still there but it is a pub now.
    I once went to the Bradford labour club to an aunt and uncles 25th wedding aniversary and took some of my younger cousins to the Domino after.
    The tremeloes were on that night and we all got wrecked. Wish i could still do it.
    Dave

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 2-Feb-2011
    Dave/ Paul,Hello again. Yes you are right, it was the Bradford Labour club.It was confirmed today by my cousin who lived in Gillingham St.Only went in there a couple of times When I have visited reatives over there.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by jeannette meecham nee hazlewood (Member 10257201) on 4-Feb-2011
    The reply to Tommy Mills being a retired policeman is not true...Tommy was a Radcliffe lad who worked on farms ... war broke out.. and injured at Dunkirk when he come home from the army that his when he went into the licencing trade...he started off on the docks at the fish docks in Fleetwood and run many clubs and took the mount at Fleetwood Had some great times with Tommy and his wife Alice...th... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 7-Feb-2011
    I remember now. As kids we would try to buy cider and cigs from the Outdoor at the Mount. The lady serving would naturally refuse and would say "Do you want me to get the landlord, because he's an ex-Policeman?" I now know she was kidding, but it stopped us trying to buy things we shouldn't.

    I also remember two workmen at the Monkey Bridge on Knutsford Road who engaged me in a conversation (I ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Feb-2011
    To all Mount Road Followers:
    Can any of you remember a young lady that lived opposite the Gorton Mount pub, on the right hand side of Mount Road heading towards Levenshulme.
    Her name was Sylvia, she would be about 55 years old today, and may have served behind the bar for Tommy MILLS at the Gorton Mount?
    Sorry I have no surname for Sylvia.
    Any ideas gang?
    John.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 18-Feb-2011
    Not seen this mentioned on here before,- Night Watchmen. I recall thesae guys who would sit in a canvas covered hut with a brazier full of glowing coke, and an iron kettle either over or at the side with boiling water to brew up. These occured where there was a roadworks, no cones then,- just red parrafin lamps with a curved handle on top. One of the last I remember was on the corner of Mount Rd.,... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 18-Feb-2011
    Roy,
    What a memory!
    When I used to work nights around Ancoats, Beswick and Bradford in the late 60's, these canvas shelters were known as "nickie's huts", and the Night Watchmen were real characters who you would always go and see, especially on ice cold nights.
    They had tea stewing in big steel kettles, (like you say on coke braziers) and although warm and welcome, the tea was always as thick ... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by julie (Member 10255407) on 18-Feb-2011
    MMMMMM Ater reading your post John , think I will have thick cheese fried butties for my tea tomorrow night . Julie

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 19-Feb-2011
    Go for it Julie, but watch the pounds, they will pile on, but once in a while? Well who cares?
    John.

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Jack Forshaw (Member 10258735) on 6-Mar-2011
    John. Remember the Gorton Mount well both as a boy and a man. As a boy I used to play on the wall that surrounded it and also skate on the frontage of it. We also, my mates and I, used to nip over the wall and pinch the empty beer bottles from the crates, then take them back to the off licence part at the front and get the money for returning the bottles. The landlord was called Morgan and it took... more >>

  • Re: Gorton/Mount road area by Mr. Roy Cox (Member 10242747) on 22-Mar-2011
    Hello Jack, just read your post on here. I also am familiar with the Mount in Gorton. I was brought up not much more than 100yds. from there. Do you go in the Shovels in Hambleton. This is one of my `locals`.I worked there for over 4 yrs, and live here in Knott End, been here for quite a while now. make yourself known, maybe have a chat and a pint sometime.

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lost pal by john carlton (Member 10248427) on 17-Nov-2010
hi guys, looking to find a long lost pal...Ian Moir. he used to live at the bottom of Crossley st.moved away late 60's lost touch would be nice to find him, or any info. thanks in advance.   
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Diane by Gary morris (Member 10236122) on 9-Nov-2010
Hi,i am trying to trace a lady called Diane who i believe may live around the Stanley Grove area of Gorton.She used to live with her partner in a flat over Regal dry cleaners on Stockport rd,Levenshulme in the 80's.She is quarter caste,short & slim & pretty.Any info much appreciated!!   
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Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Nov-2010
Does anyone have any tales about Gorton's Police Officers or Gorton Police Station on Hyde Road - there MUST be stories out there!
John.
  
  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 7-Nov-2010
    My Mum who is now in her 80's said that in the late 50's she had to get up in the middle of the night to make a bottle for me. This was in Bannock Street, off Taylor St.

    With a light being on, there was soon a bang on the front door, and there stood a Police Sergeant with a young rooky policeman who was bruised and bleeding. He bawled at my Mum demanding to know at which house so-and-so lived.... more >>

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 7-Nov-2010
    Thanks mate, it was a lot different way back then, can you imagine the fuss now?
    I lived on Cambert Lane next-door-but-one to Giblins Off-Licence on the corner with Taylor Street.
    There was a barber's near you on Taylor Street nicknamed Bob Snatch - you paid a bob (five pence now) held on to what hair you wanted to keep, and he snatched the rest.
    Keep in touch mate,
    John.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 1-Dec-2010
    Does anyone remember a Police Officer whose family lived somewhere off Cambert Lane, he was called Dennis HANDS, I think it was his grandmother who may have lived in Victoria Road, Gorton.
    John.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by David Cooke (Member 10255549) on 1-Jan-2011
    My goodness time have changed, i was brought up in furnival road in the late sixties and seventies left home in 80 to join RAF. i recall local bobby bringin us home for teh odd silly thing and getting the odd tap around the head, things changed when the old terrace houses got knocked down. lost a lot of old friends from rigsby street and taylor street etc. Mark Knots off of Taylor street and pau... more >>

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    David,
    Do you remember a lad called Dave KING who lived on Furnival Road?
    My brother Chris and I were mates of his when we lived on Cambert lane, just round the corner from Giblin's Outdoor Beer Licence on the corner with Taylor Street.
    I lost contact with Dave when I moved from Gorton in the early 1970's.
    My brother rented a garage just on Taylor Street near to Furnival Road in the mid-60's.
    John.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 10-Feb-2011
    i remember you dave. you use to live at the top end near my and dad , where are you now

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by DANNY COLEMAN (Member 10221392) on 10-Feb-2011
    hi john , i know dave king , i think he live in droylsden, i sometime see him at the auldwinians rugby club northern soul night second friday of every month.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 10-Feb-2011
    Danny,
    Please, if you get the chance, tell Dave King that John HOLMES and his younger brother Chris HOLMES, who lived at 65, Cambert Lane, next door but two to Giblin's Outdoor Beer Licence were asking if he is OK please?

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by Bill Saxton (Member 10260560) on 23-Apr-2011
    When I was a kid in the late 40s PC Denis Hand lived in Gloucester street which ran between Cross St and Church Lane. he had a brother called Clifford, I think. Later in life he and I drank in the Hare & Hounds Abbey Hey. Not heard of him for many years.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Apr-2011
    Thanks Bill.
    I worked with Dennis for years at Beswick Street, Ancoats and Mill Street, Bradford, and he lived in a bungalow in Droylsden at that time, but I never went to his house.
    My late Dad knew his grandmother very well, and Dennis and my Dad used to swap stories about old Gorton.
    He really was a great guy, and would be in his mid-70's by now, and I hope he is well, wherever he is.

  • Re: Gorton Police Officers by Graham Corbett (Member 10271490) on 9-Mar-2012
    My Unncle, Patrick (Pat) Brady used to be a Police Constable in around Gorton in the late fifties and early Sixties. Manys the time when I was a nipper, (living in Hexham Road), I'd see him setting off to undertake 'Point Duty' at the Junction of Hyde Road and Mount Road outside Silvories Ice Cream Parlour. At the time, the Trolley Buses were running in and out of Belle Vue termanus.

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West Gorton by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 4-Nov-2010
Recalling the happy childhood days of the 1950's in Fairhaven St West Gorton. My friends were David Moss, Philip Carter (I believe he went to live in Bolton), Alan Wigglesworth, Roland and David Parker, Sandra Beresford, Jean Hibbert, Margaret Moffatt, Anthony, Gerrard and Angela Rowan.

LOve to hear from anybody who remembers me.

Ken Gill
  
  • Re: West Gorton by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 9-Nov-2010
    Dear Ken
    I don't remember you but my sister went out with Phil Carter in the 60's and I and many others used to go cycling with him. If it was Sunday we all went to the Top Ten Club at Belle Vue when Jimmy Savill was DJ there.
    Regards
    Roy

  • Re: West Gorton by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 9-Nov-2010
    hello Roy I do not think Iknow you pHIL CARTER LIVED OPPOSITE ME IN fAIRHAVEN STREET WE USED TO GO ON MANY BIKE RIDES WITH A LAD CALLED ALAN WIGGLESWORTH WE USED TO RIDE FOR MILES SOMETIMES UP INTO THE PEAK DISTRICT .I also used to go to the top ten club it was great watching Jimmy saville I was asking my wife ab0ut him and she beleives he still lives in leeds.Iremember all the girls they used to ... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Nov-2010
    Hi Ken
    I seem to remember that Phil lived at No. 16 Fairhaven St.He would have been about 17 or 18 years old when he went out with Marge my sister.
    We cycled together with Norman Healy, Duncan Twigg, Barry Roberts and many more. I seem to remember that Fairhaven St.avoided demolition until the very last minute - unless it's still there.
    Cheers
    Roy

  • Re: West Gorton by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 10-Nov-2010
    Hiya Roy,
    Yes old houses in Fairhaven St and Ainsdale St are still standing, along with a few in Birch St, Great Jones St and Blackwin St. Take a look at the "street images" on Google / Maps. The "Google camera cars" took the images around there in 2008.

  • Re: West Gorton by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 10-Nov-2010
    Hi Roy yes Fairhaven st is still there as is Ainsdale st,it is all in a sorry state i am afraid Igo back regularly I feel I belong there because I was born at number 15,on my last 2 trips i took 75 digital photographs,Ilok at them with very happy memories I just wish the council would spend a little bit of money to tidy it up for the residents that live there now,which I feel would generate a prid... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Nov-2010
    Hello again Ken
    I think I last visited Fairhaven st. about 3 years ago and many were boarded up. Forbes St. quite sadly is swamped by the car auction complex.
    Brunswick, Corby, Gt. Jones and Birch Streets still don't seem to be in any danger and the properties still seem to be very pleasing. My late Aunt Marge was still living in Forbes St.when all the other 60 or so houses were boarded up. Must... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by Dave Kibble (Member 10254258) on 14-Nov-2010
    Hi

    I am Dave Kibble, who used to live at number 34 Forbes St. When my mum and dad split up in about 1958, I went to live with my gran at 66 Wren St.

    Pete, I remember your family who lived at 32, with the Hassalls at 36. I used to live oppsite the Butterworths before they moved to Marple. Remember Keith an... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Nov-2010
    Dave,
    I had relatives living in Forbes and Wren Street, but I have thrm mixed up I think.
    One was my uncle and aunt Wilf and Mary CARROLL and my cousin Malcolm CARROLL.
    Wilf worked on the railway and Mary worked at the
    Unicorn on Hyde Road for years behind the bar, and Malcolm CARROLL was a reall egg-head who went to Chorlton Grammar School and Lampeter College, University of Wales.
    He was bo... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by Dave Kibble (Member 10254258) on 15-Nov-2010
    John

    Malcolm, and Wilf spring to mind, sorry can't help with the others, but in a link lower down, Roy mentions about working on the post with Malcolm.
    Yes, he was the well spoken one but a great lad as well.

    Dave

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 15-Nov-2010
    Thanks Dave, please write again, you have great recall, speak soon old friend,
    John.

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Nov-2010
    For Ken Gill,
    Ken, can you recall a girl who went to St Marks' and left in 1959, called Lillian GARLAND.
    I believe she eventually emigrated to New Zealand?
    Also, can you remember anyone called GAUNT.
    They were brother and sister, Stanley and Sheila, and they lived on William Street, West Gorton, right next door to St Marks' school?
    Cheers Ken,
    John.

  • Re: West Gorton by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 10-Dec-2010
    Hello Gortonians
    About 16 years ago, not long before my father died he gave an A-Z of Manchester to a lorry driver who had lost his way. Sadly it was the original copy before virtually any demolition took place and it was my historical bible.
    Can anyone place two streets that were pulled down quite early in the clearance programme that had rather unusual names? Nellie St. and Euclid St.
    Thanks
    Roy

  • Re: West Gorton by Paul Hartley (Member 10226532) on 10-Dec-2010
    Roy.
    A couple of years ago I got one of the old 1960's Manchester A-Z's on Ebay, no one else put a bid in for it, and I ended up getting it for 99p from someone in Birmingham. My son couldn't see the point at the time, of anyone wanting maps directing you to streets that no longer existed!
    But as you say they are a great reference to us that knew the old place. If only I knew of a way to super i... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 27-Dec-2010
    Does anyone remember getting a phone installed in their home?
    In the early 60's, STD (Subscriber Trunk Dialling) was introduced, and all street telephone boxes lost their A and B buttons (which you pressed when inserting four old pennies for a call) and which were replaced by smart slim grey coin-boxes with green hand-sets on top.
    We had a Party-Line phone fitted at home around the time, which m... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by Peter Woodier (Member 10148049) on 31-Dec-2010
    Hi John, I remember when domestic phones were a rarity, and people often depended on neighbours to use their phone, armed with a sixpence if there wasn't a call box nearby. People were more neighbourly then. Happy days in that sense.

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Jan-2011
    Party-line phones had a button on the top that you needed to press to make your call.
    If the other person was using it, you could hear their conversation.
    It was all so poilite in those days, you just put the phone down and waited.
    Our phone was red, it was the brightest thing in the house apart from the coal fire.
    It sat on top of the TV set, like a proud ornament and everyone that visited sa... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 19-Jan-2011
    Hi ROY Regarding the streets you were looking for
    Nellie Street ran between Thomas street and Bennet street (near the old wash house) its still there but i think the name as changed
    Eucid Strret is of Darley Street between ashton old and ashton new rd
    Ive still got an old A/Z like your dad gave away lol
    Regards Barrie

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 19-Jan-2011
    Barrie,
    Are you related to Dave ROBERTS who went to St Marks' on Clowes Street, and who left in 1959?
    He was one of the top pot-holers in the UK, a great mate of my brother Chris and I?
    Please write back and let me know,
    Regards,
    John.

  • Re: West Gorton by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 21-Jan-2011
    Hi John Yes Dave's my elder brother Ive just told him about this site (after Roy Cooney got in touch with me ) so he will be posting soon i hope as he has a better memory than me.
    I also went to St Marks then on to Jimmy's
    I'll be posting on some of the other threads as i knew Fudgie Brooks very well

    Barrie

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    Great idea Barrie, our Chris remembers you well, I think you are the same age (born 1950?) as Chris.
    I would love to meet up with Dave again, I would gladly travel to Manchester to see him, and have another chat before we all get too old.
    Cheers,
    John.

  • Re: West Gorton by ROY COONEY (Member 10249185) on 24-Jan-2011
    Hi there Barrie
    Thanks for info on Nellie St. You have a good memory - I just couldn't picture its location.
    Told Joe Marge and Mum I'd contacted you.
    Keep in Touch
    Roy

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Jan-2011
    Barrie,

    Have just been contacted by a lady in Ireland who was in yuour class at St Marks'.
    Her name then was Barbara MOFFAT and she recalls you from the school.

    She has just posted three old school photographs on the St Marks' West Gorton Friends Reunited Website, and you are on all three, along with Norman HEALEY on tw... more >>

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Feb-2011
    For Ken GILL:
    Ken earlier you mentioned a Margaret Moffat.
    Did she go to St Marks'?
    She has recently e-mailed me, and is now a widow living in Southern Ireland, she was born in 1948 she tells me, would that be the same girl you used to know perhaps?
    Will find the e-mail and post any more information on here for you.
    Cheers,
    John.

  • Re: West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 2-Feb-2011
    For Ken GILL:
    Ken,
    Margaret Moffat is now Margaret ROCHFORD, and lives in Co Wicklow I believe.
    She was married to a Farmer but is now a widow.
    If you go to Friends Reunited and go onto the St Marks' West Gorton site and punch her name in, you will see her details, but unfortunately there is no photo of her.

  • Re: West Gorton by John Carey (Member 10134695) on 11-Nov-2011
    Looking for Eddie Hartley, a driver at Thomas Lambs. I was a mechanic there 1968.

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Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 2-Nov-2010
Is David Moss out there somewhere we went to St Marks Primary school in 1951 then on to Nicholls Secondary School in 1957. I lived in Fairhaven Street and he lived in Robert Street and he had a sister called Janice. We lost touch when we started work. I do know that he was very interested in trains and I presumed that he would work for the railway.   
  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Nov-2010
    Iremember David Moss very well indeed.
    He was a year or two older than my brother Chris and I, and we always saw him chugging along the pavement edgings, pumping his arms up and down and pretending to be a train.
    He was train mad.
    I left St Marks' in 1959 and went to Manchester Central Grammar School along with Billy Harper (Billy lived on the Prison Ground).
    I then moved to Cambert Lane in 19... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 6-Nov-2010
    Ken,
    Have just been speaking to our kid.
    He thinks the lad I was talking about was called Ian Moss, not David.
    Could this be the same person?
    He thinks that Ian Moss lived on Birch Street, but could always be found chugging along "The Concrete", otherwise Great Jackson Street.
    Our kid has no idea where he fi... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by Ken Gill (Member 10253824) on 8-Nov-2010
    Thanks for replying John,you are talking about the right person,David always ran like a train the lads used to give him some stick but he didn;t care.As his mate I used to go to his house and he would show me the Drawings he had done and they were brilliant he knew every detail.I saw him for the last time when I sold him my racing bike so that I could afford to buy an old moped so that IDID NOT HA... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 14-Nov-2010
    Hi Ken,
    Thanks for the information.
    It's sad that we seem to lose contact with our friends.
    I moved from Gorton to Denton to Hazel Grove to the Forest of Dean (Gloucestershire) to Swindon to Cirencester to Chipping Ongar (Essex) to Lenham (Kent) to Runnymede (Windsor)and now live deep in the Fenlands of Lincolnshire - so I really lost touch with old mates.
    I am still trying to trace an old fri... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 30-Nov-2010
    Ken, another brain teaser for you:
    Do any of these names mean anything to you at all please?
    Maralyn TOMLINSON (Hyde Road), Brian RAVENSCROFT (Hyde Road), Jean and Joan DAVIES (Henry Street), Eddie and Raymond FROST (Clowes Street),Bernard BURKE (Spurgeon Street), Tony LATHAM (Corby Street), Stanley and Sheila GAUNT (William Street) or Keith (Fudgie) BROOKS (Clowes Street)?
    Thanks for this mate... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by lee michelle roseweir nee tomlinson (Member 10251311) on 8-Dec-2010
    hi john when you say maralyn tomlinson hyde rd you dont mean mary tomlinson do you?that was my mum and my dad herbert tomlinson known as tommy or bert ??? although we lived at 51 forbes st,my sisters are carol,pearl anita and last but not least me lee michelle?? if not im sorry for the confusion,take care,lee michelle.

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 8-Dec-2010
    Hi Lee, thanks for getting back.
    As far as I can recall Maralin or Maralyn TOMLINSON (I don't think it was Mary though), would have been born around 1947 and would now be 62 or so, and she went to St Marks' Infants and Junior School with me.
    She was my first girlfriend (God how innocent was that!) and was a very pretty girl, but that's all I remember of her.
    I think her friend was a girl called... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by Dave Powell (Member 10256263) on 11-Jan-2011
    Hi John,
    I remember keith brooks (ginger) and his elder brother ernie,they moved to hattersley hyde,I used to go fishing with them,keith was a good angler and won lots of matches,I lost track
    of them when I moved,
    anyone remember the house of nonsence in belle vue.what a place.
    dave.

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 13-Jan-2011

    Dave,

    If that's the right Keith BROOKES (we knew him as "Fudgie", no idea why), he was also a good footballer, and real close mate of mine.
    I seem to remember that he lived right on Clowes Street in BROOKE'S PET SHOP, but I am not 100% sure, but he had red hair alright.
    He was at St Marks' with me until 1959, and I never saw him after I moved to Cambert Lane in 1960, more's... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by barrie roberts (Member 10256887) on 21-Jan-2011
    Hi John, regarding Fudgie Brooks i was a good mate of his from around 62 till i lost contact around 68 i also went fishing with him to marple,middlewood, poynton, and bollington canal we used to get the train from ashbury station, fond memories, I also started my first job with him at a roofing firm in old trafford, his family moved (as someone as rightly said) to hattersley, i remember his broth... more >>

  • Re: Searching for David Moss of West Gorton by John HOLMES (Member 10245597) on 21-Jan-2011
    Barrie,
    Please stay in touch mate.
    I firmly believe that the re-housing in West Gorton and Gorton led to lots of school friends losing touch.
    I wonder where Fudgie BROOKES is now?
    I have a son Christopher John living in Marple Bridge, perhaps he's in that area?
    He was a great little footballer - the Paul Scholes of the mid-50's at ... more >>

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