ay sword wound), and Little John took him to the Prioress of Kirklees, whom I think was Robin's cousin. It was common medical practice to "bleed," or drain the person of blood to cleanse the wound. So the Prioress took a bowl, cut a little hole in the bottom, and drained Rob's blood, literally so that he would bleed to death. Because of the hole in the bowl, it looked as though no blood were actually being drained, so Rob nor John had any idea what was going on. Then there comes Rob's dying wishes to shoot an arrow and be buried where it lands. I believe the Roger you are referring to was actually the Prioress' lover, but again, I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's all from my head, some of what I've gathered along the way. Hope it helps a little

Hey Lil jon was there? hes that baddest f'in rapper around. does robin hood have hs own beats too? cause if he does id like to hear them that would be sweet Back to top Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: death he was killed on dec 25 1247 by his aunt the priorress of kirkless she let him bleed to death however john little [little john] saved him and buried him where his arrow landed Back to top Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: robin's death Michelle wrote: hello!!!! i'd like more information about Robin's death. why is his death so important?? what is so different?? somewhere i read about a Roger who is involved in Robin's death. who is he?? in which way is he involved?? thank you sooooo much if you do answer my questions!!!!!!! Back to top Jon Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: Red Roger There are three things to say about Robin Hood’s death.

One is that no one is absolutely sure the grave at Kirklees is Robin Hood’s grave, it is a long story and I won’t go into details.

Two there is a lady who lives near the grave who makes a big thing about Robin’s death, she is into different things that I don’t want to get involved with so I will say no more.

Thirdly, there are people who are genuinely trying to find out who Robin Hood really was and who his companions were in real life and progress is being made slowly but surely.

As you will know the prioress is generally the one who is believed to have murdered Robin by bleeding him to death although some rhymes say it was a monk.

About Robin’s death we have this. It has been paraphrased and put into modern English.

“Then Robin Hood and little John went over yon bank of broom, said Robin Hood to Little John we shot for many a pound. But now I cannot shoot at all my arrows will not flee, my cousin lives down below, and please to God she will bleed me. Tomorrow I to Kirklees go to skilfully have blood let. I cannot drink or eat my meat for it makes me most unwell, till I have been to merry Church Lees my vein for blood to let. Then said Will Scarlet “I won’t let you go, for bad Red Roger lives close to the route, he loves so to fight he won’t let you pass, without a good guard a challenge he’ll make. To gain my consent, fifty bowmen take, for you my good friend my love knows no end. “Said Robin to Will, “And thou be off home, young Scarlett I say, I wish thee be off. “As soon as he heard what Robin Hood said, William Scarlett for home he did head, “if thou be so angry my master dear, then not one thing more shall you from me hear.”

It then goes on to say:

“Sir Roger of Doncaster, by the wicked prioress lay, and there they betrayed Robin, with their dastardly false play. With bad, foul, and evil thoughts, plots the prioress of Kirklees, who for love of a black knight, betrayed Robin “twas not right. Together for their false love, full evil must now be done, for good Robin how to slay, plotting in bed where they lay. And when they came to merry Church Lees, they knocked upon the ring one two three, none was so ready as his cousin, she rose herself Robin to let in.”

The rhyme says that Red Roger lived on the route to Kirklees and some people think this may have been Roger de Busli who built Tickhill Castle which is just off Watling Street on the road to Loxley. So if Robin Hood went along Watling Street to get to Kirklees he would pass close to where Red Roger lived with his soldiers (he was an important member of the nobility) which is what the ballad says, hence Will Scarlett’s concern.

Tickhill Castle was in the parish of Doncaster, so it is thought that Red Roger and Sir Roger of Doncaster were the same person. I hope that answers your question. Back to top Sabrina Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: evil prioress THAT EVIL PRIORESS BITCH DRAINED ALL HIS BLOOD OUT SCREW HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem I dunno Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: update on robins grave dare you print the truth about robin hood?????? Even more terrifying than the Blair Witch Project and a thousand times more intriguing than any Brother Caedfel mystery, SECRETS OF THE GRAVE and it’s sequel SPIRIT OF THE GREENWOOD reveal,for the first time, the true story of the life and death of Robin Hood. Enter the dark, mysterious woods of Kirklees in West Yorkshire, and visit, with writer historian Barbara Green,the forest of Barnsdale where Robin roamed and the ruined priory gatehouse of Kirklees Nunnery where he was treacherously slain by the hand of an evil nun. Written testimonies from those who have experienced the ghostly presence of Robin and his comrades ,whose spirits haunt this ancient forest, form the basis of both books, while the life of Robin, as told in SPIRIT OF THE GREENWOOD, accords fully with the Lytell Geste,(Robin’s first biography) printed in the fifteenth century.This,one might think,could be the basis for a best selling book, but such seems to not to be the case, for ,according to the “experts” the public do not want to know the truth and prefer to be fed the myth of Sherwood Forest and the dastardy deeds of the Sheriff of Nottingham , not to mention Richard the Lionheart, who does not even belong in the story at all! The mystery of Robin’s gruesome death at Kirklees ,it would seem, is not the only inexplicable phenomenon surrounding the legend ! Why ARE people prevented from learning the true facts about the oulaw’s life , due to the propogation of a fantasy by the media, and why is his famous grave at Kirklees,kept in a state of secrecy and neglect --and who is responsible for this bizarre situation? Dare you ask ? Dare you investigate and............. dare YOU print the truth ? Or is Robin Hood’s legend to remain distorted out of all recognition, and the real man lost to future generations forever ? “No one could see anything in the dense,suffocating blackness, but following Mark’s directions we stumbled on forward through the barrier of writhing,intertwining bushes and trees; then suddenly,we found ourselves in a clearing , where, looming out of the gloom,rearing up before us in the light of our flickering torches, a massive,broken edifice was revealed . A huge ship of stone,wrecked in the everglades of Kirklees,listing crazily into the leaping shadows. We stood transfixed with fear and awe as we gazed upon the fallen pillars and twisted railings which were all that remained of Yorkshire’s buried treasure--Robin Hood’s Grave.” SECRETS OF THE GRAVE.

“No,this had to be a dream or hallucination--she could not believe that she was having a conversation with Robin Hood’s ghost, and shakily Greta sank down onto a nearby snow covered boulder. Perhaps she really had lost it this time,and was going crazy yet even as she wracked her mind for an answer,she heard Robin’s voice again, and suddenly she forgot her confusion and the outside world and began to listen.” SPIRIT OF THE GREENWOOD. _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: continued Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: secrets of the grave

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THE DEATH OF ROBIN HOOD At first it bled the thicke thicke blood And afterwards the thinne And well then wist good Robin Hood Treason there was within

The death of Robin Hood is a well known legend. He was treacherously bled to death by the wicked prioress of Kirklees nunnery, a small Cistercian house near Brighouse, West Yorkshire. The outlaw’s gory and unheroic end is shrouded in mystery. Who was the evil nun and why did she commit so foul a murder? What was the role of Red Roger of Doncaster, who was present at the scene of crime? Was he a priest and also the prioress’s lover? Who WAS the prioress? Was she Dame Elizabeth de Stainton, whose grave can still be seen at Kirklees,or was it Sister Mary Startin, who died of the Black Death in 1350? All that is left of this medieval whodunit is a ruined grave,hidden in deep woodland, and the derelict priory gatehouse of Kirklees where Robin was so gruesomely done to death. Was the famous outlaw a vitim of thwarted passion,pagan sacrifice,bad nursing,accident,natural causes or------- vampirism ? The entire area where this horrific drama took place is shrouded in,according to one old book, “ .....a mystery which local people only reluctantly tried to penetrate.The mystery was helped physically by the thick shroud of trees that surrounded the place and was sustained by local tales of prioresses and nuns and of the death of Robin Hood.......” “Terribilis Est Locus Iste” Dreadful is this place--Abbe Berenger Sauniere, Renne-le-Chateau _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: spirit of the greenwood and secrets of the grave http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8414556701 _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: helpful info http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7036197492 _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: news from the beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/articles/2006/09/20/robin_hood_wakefield_feature.shtml

yorkshire robin hood society _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: latest news http://www.halifaxcouriertoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=700&ArticleID=1802724 _________________ Barbara Back to top barbara green

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 21 Location: brighouse Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: Billy hardcastle and John Pope de Locksley Re: The Kirklees Vampire « Reply #59 on Yesterday at 2:36pm »

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The Bottomleys are relations of my mother's family. My great aunty Dolly Tatts married a Yorkshireman called Harry Bottomley in 1920. He came from Lidget Green in Bradford and at first they lived in Horton and later in Bingley and Cottingley. In the late 1940s most of the Tatt family joined them in Yorkshire. Aunty Kitt met a Mr Springer who became her second husband. Their daughter, my cousin Beryl and my cousin Val lived in Cottingley. Mrs Endersby was born at Horton. Beryl told me that in 1950 she visited Robin Hood's Grave. My grandfather Tom Russell her s erved in the first world war with Harry and knew about the Bottomley's connection with Robin Hood. In 1987 Beryl related the story to me, but this time added that teh grave she saw was in Hartshead churchyard, and was not the one on the Kirklees estate. So I contacted Barbara Green of the Yorkshire Robin Hood Society. She had never heard this story but the vicar had. A local man, learning of my interest, checked the Census and found that the Bottomley's had moved from Bradford to Hartshead in the 1890s. Hence our family visits to the cemetary. Yorkshire archives found a local magazine wioth a family tree research done by a Horton based Bottomley family who traced themselves back to the 1840s.

They married into the Sagar and Dawson families. Burkes Landed Gentry attests that Bottomley was a suburb of Barkisland, an area near Sowerby, Halifax. Dr Holt, in his 1980's book ROBIN HOOD attests to a family called Hood in Sowerby in the 1270s. As Bottomleys first emerge in 1272 a Richard Hood shot at foresters from a tree. The are close approximately to Sowerby as they knew that the gravestone was moved from the road side where Graftom put it. We say Clifton where the old Kirklees sign was. This suggests that the Bottomleys are descended from Robin Hood who may have been the murderer Robert of Wetherby as Dr Crook feels. Robert of Locksley killed his s tepfather legend claims and in 1229 a chap in in the margin as Hobbehod a form of Robby or Robin. A callendar patent roll entry 1305 is a pardon to a man who murdered a Robin Hood, probabaly before the Scottish wars of the 1280s. If we could excavate the site of the old Kirklees sign we may find my ancesters bones. His ghost and Maid Marian's still haunt the area and his horn can he heard hooting. I may be only related by marriage but it is my family.

Dr John Pope de Locksley,

London.

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LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE HERO BILLY HARDCASTLE, WHO SAYS HE IS DESCENDED FROM ROBIN HOOD, IS PROBABLY BASED ON JOHN POPE DE LOCKSLEY, WHOSE CLAIM HAS BEEN PUBLIC SINCE THE EARLY 1980S.