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pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
just noticed bob gave us sutty landlord old oak pub canal northhyde..1937 industry pub yeading mr barty.waggon horses 1937 hayes alf buck.white lion white st gaswks 1937 parsons.wolf canal 1937 w lewis..old oak canal 1914 tom potter 1926 jethro dines..1937 victory king st george savill..hambrough henry drake.1937...redlion..old photo today on board..1926 reid.1937 carr.......3 tuns 1937 george sta... more >>   
  • Re: pubs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
    Dont know where the old North Star was situated. Only place I can think of was down North Hyde Lane on rt/Hand side just before Holly Farm Rd, which was demolished to make way for the Ringway estate. The North Star opposite Thorncliffe school was my fathers watering hole. I spent many an hour looking thru the window at him drinking, me with glass of lemonade and packet of Smiths crisps. (who i lat... more >>

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
    new north star still there large lays back front car park on corner..opposite thorncliffe school .thorncliffe rd to norwood greem...opposite pub little row couple shops....good on street view.....yes old north star photo of it and row of od bricklayers cottages attached to it...right as you say on right corner there as sharp turn northhyde lane...golfcourse..off there which was gravel pits.heston ... more >>

  • Re: pubs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
    Yes , I remember now.What confused me, is you mentioned that it was near to the Old Oak Bridge.I know ringway well.My best man lived there.

  • Re: pubs by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
    Thanks Yvonne for the photo of the Wagon and Horses, lovely old pub

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    the ealing hanwell old photos pubs are on board28/30..and red lion old cottages high st southall there etc etc.

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    john pearce racing car garage on board29 photo with decriptions..junction western rd and king st 1960s...yes bob......ahead of oak bridge old north star..gdad acres akers born there family 1870 to 1960 there number 5 and 10 sweet shop 1914 cottage attached to pub...photo on boards here....do you remember anything please..cottages at pavement rd edge.doors along....bit of back garden yard he plante... more >>

  • Re: pubs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Mar-2011
    We used to buy wide wheels, raceing tyres off J.A.Pearcs in the 1960 for Ford Anglias we tuned up. There garage was the old Flexmans garage.

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    1960 old b/w photo on board29..couple old petrol pumps outside with 3 little racing cars...says his advert said ferrari superfast engines..wheels magna made by pearce alloy.....photos there

  • Re: pubs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
    It's a shame that picturesque Waggon & Horses has gone, but however many times we hear that this pub and that pub has been demolished or boarded up, we still have the memory of it in our minds. Fortunately for us, we have all our Southallboard Photoboards to refresh that memory.

  • Re: pubs by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
    The New North Star opposite Norwood Green Juniors.
    I had an accident there on my first motorcycle. I was 16 years old with L plates and knocked a man off of his bike. Fortunately no one was hurt.

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
    that sharp bend new north star lays back with car park in front....thorncliffe school opposite...my family lived towards heston just there...goes over m4 motorway now then to right meadow way..1960to1980 lived....behind the TA centre hall there..opposite elm tree pub still open....library swim pool......row shops along up to vicarage farm rd,,,was fenton hse heston hall now doctors surgery

  • Re: pubs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 10-Mar-2011
    Strange that John W , i had a motor cycle accident about there to,came round bend from Heston opp North Star, Parked car decided to pull out.

  • Re: pubs by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
    That was a confusing intersection, because coming down North Hyde Lane the road bends to the right, just where it merges with Thornecliffe Rd. It was unclear who had the right of way. Perhaps it is signed now.

  • Re: pubs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
    we turn right there ok now...goes smoothly to heston..elm tree pub junction new heston rd..over motorway now m4..........if not turn right...then thornicliffe goes straight on to norwood green.......norwood green fete every july is marvellous that goes back so many years.....

  • Re: pubs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 10-Mar-2011
    John forgot to say my accident happened 3am in the morning.

  • Re: pubs by John W (Member 10082501) on 11-Mar-2011
    You were certainly unlucky to have someone run into you at 3:00am Bob. probably the only two people on the road at that time

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North Road residents by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 8-Mar-2011
You`re right Mike ! The Aubery`s lived at No 107 at the junction of North Avenue and North Road. Mother and Father were Albert and Rose,.five houses down from the Rabsons at No 117. Between them was Woodlands Court, which replaced a rather large house which was demolished. Do you remember it ?   
  • Re: North Road residents by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Mar-2011
    Roy-thanks for that. Seem to remember Rose being pregnant in her 40's. There was also Joyce.
    When we lived in Townsend Road(up to 1933) we lived nect door to another group of Aubreys-they were Salvation Army. The Rabson's I remember well from the son-"Monkey Rabson." He used to run up behind some unsuspecting girl, lift her skirt, with a cry of "oooh pink/blue etc knickers." Hope he grew out of ... more >>

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Marks family by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 7-Mar-2011
With reference to the e-mails regarding the Marks family, are they any relation to the Marks that lived at No 101 North Road, next to Etherington`s the hardware shop ?   
  • Re: Marks family by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    for those who like race cars..........john a pearce 10 western rd 1960 and other.....old petrol pumps out front southall garage ltd with 3 race cars there..made alloy magna wheels..advert ferrari superfast engine,,junction king st with st john on corner.....photos also on boards mk engineer queens rd southall by railway.millimg turning...madera......all boards ok now was only sunday evening..not..... more >>

  • Re: Marks family by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Mar-2011
    Roy- if I remember that family correctly there was lad a few years younger than us? Also seem to remember part of the Aubrey family living along there somewhere.

  • Re: Marks family by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 16-Mar-2011
    I remember a Rob Marks who lived in North Road. He was going out with Betty Rosoff from Shelley Crescent. That would have been in the 1950's.

  • Re: Marks family by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Mar-2011
    Phyl-By some extraordinary coincidence, my life long friend Howard Pullen married Sheila(Gay) Rossoff.Sheila I am sorry to say is no longer with us. Small world1

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Tudor Road School by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
Me again Pauline, do you remember a Miss Ball at Tudor Rd, she lived in Delamere Road? Yvonne has put the photo of the PNEU but it is not very clear sorry about that.   
  • Re: Tudor Road School by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    it is on zeta friendsreunite site..will try put it on board23 this morning

  • Re: Tudor Road School by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    No, I remember the name Miss Ball, but I just can't place her Zeta. Miss Jones was the one I always remember - she was a very good teacher, but I was scared stiff of her. She was always making herself up in the classroom. I can see her now getting her compact out and powdering her face! She used to take us for physical training and made us hop around like frogs in the freezing cold playground in o... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road School by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    Should have said Mrs Jones. My brother David liked her as he used to do lots of little jobs for her as she lived in Beechcroft Avenue. She was a good source of his pocket money.

  • Re: Tudor Road School by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Mar-2011
    Although we lived in North Road when I was five, for some reason in the autumn of 1933 my mother tried to get me into Tudir Road school. One day she took me to see Miss Hannet, with a view to getting me into the school until Christmas. We were ushered into Miss Hannet's office. Mum asked whether it would be possible-to my surprise and horror, Miss H "Well of course Mrs Braden-come along with me Mi... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road School by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline I remember Miss Jones, we had netball, I played centre being tall, I was scared stiff of her too because I am left handed and if we played rounders I would do everything wrong.

  • Re: Tudor Road School by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
    Although we were both scared of Miss Jones Zeta, she did have her good points. I can remember she made a lovely Macaroni Cheese for a girl in our class who came from a very poor family in Norman Avenue, and two of us had to take it home for her. I've always thought how kind it was!

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Bankside Road by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline I see you mentioned that you lived in Bankside for a while, do you remember the name MARKS, there was a chap called HAPPY MARKS, his mother lived there and Happy moved to Delamere Rd and I think when his father died the mother moved in with Happy, he later moved to New Zealand.   
  • Re: Bankside Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    No, I don't remember a Happy Marks Zeta. I was only five when we left Bankside. I can vaguely remember when my brother David was born and other bits and pieces. Remember listening to the barges chugging along at night carrying their cargo and seeing the magnificent shire horses pulling the barges along in the daytime. Seeing lots of poor tramps and my mother giving them an old pair of socks and so... more >>

  • Re: Bankside Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    zeta..everybody...on friends reunite there is places..streets..long lists members at streets..numbers they lived at..if marks is there......zeta hay.stanley photo on 23........walking along that ledge ..photos on our boards those windows are small.....the revamp whole area google says preservation on bankside..one of the oldest row of cottages.they speech of the parlour there....brickfields were o... more >>

  • Re: Bankside Road by Suzanne (Member 10018362) on 6-Apr-2011
    It's interesting to see that you lived in Bankside - I live there now. My family has lived here for 30 years - would we have known you, Pauline?

  • Re: Bankside Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2011
    suz.........pauline may not have seen this far back....she was bankside as young child to about later 30s...then northcote ave to about late 40s...opposite 144.....down end....thought by you suz...also stevens bunce families...by you....

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Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 5-Mar-2011
I Pauline, you remember the teachers names at the PNEU, me I can't remember any of them, but I do have a photo of us all dressed up I guess for a show that was put on probably for the parents, I will send it in. I also went to Greggs Commercial College in Ealing from 1945 to 1948.   
  • Re: Private Schools by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Mar-2011
    Zeta-my cousin,Pamela Spikins may have overlapped with you at Greggs.

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2011
    Sorry Zeta, I didn't ever go to the PNEU. I should have said it was Tudor road school I was referring to.

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    Zeta, I was also working in Ealing Broadway in 1946 at the Car & General Insurance Company when you were at Greggs School. We were in the building at the top and looked across to Lyons & Co. We used to wave at two Danish boys who were studying at a Business school in Ealing. I did go out with one and he wrote to me when he went back to Denmark. I can still remember his name and address in Denmark ... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline, I remember Lyons we used to go there at lunch time, and get a buttered roll, a Lancashire Hot Pot, oh they were lovely. I worked in Woolworths in Ealing Broadway when I was 14 on a Saturday for pocket money, got 10 shillings for the day.

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    worked woolies 19 weeks saturdays age 15 1964 £1..ha..gone up...paid for dormers school trip salzburg..train b and b...tour place...we girls were moved out of square..found out sound music being filmed..ha..6th form we went to see it leicester sq new huge screens dolby sound quad or something......kings speech excelllent in comfy new cinema now...was wonderful...mozart and beethoven...filming set... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
    Just to think Zeta, you could have been eating in there while my friend and I were looking at you across the road. I can still see those large Gold emblazoned letters J. Lyons & Co. We usually went to the ABC just around the corner, opposite Ealing Broadway Station. Mostly we took sandwiches and sat on a little green somewhere - can't remember whereabouts it was. As for Woolies in West Ealing I us... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    little green probably just north of abcfeathers pub there...is haven green..often taxi rank corner there......lots have had lunch there big trees edging...buses wait 65 there for kew...opposite station......other green is across rd from abc.....then down south opposite was bentalls sanders..to walpole pk and green out front..often used for lunches....

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
    Thanks Yvonne - Haven Green does ring a bell. It's strange you can remember some things quite clearly and others not at all. I remember that although we all went in to work, we were allowed to go to the little cinema across the road in Ealing Broadway to watch the film of the wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Prince Phillip in November 1947. Not much work got done that day!

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    lovely to see the wedding apparently wet day november....little one bond st across rd...is that old one..they preserved the ornate front....on display around the side now...was the original old cinema ealing broadway,,,...tv today and we have these modern royal weddings...music is always lovely and surprise to see the nice dress...zara edinburgh kirk 30 july then holyrood palace.....friday 29apr... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
    Does anyone remember the name of the Motorcycle parts shop on Bond St. I remember a long queue on Saturday morning waiting to get parts.
    I think it might have been called Kays but I'm not sure.

    Any old motorbikers out there?

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
    bond st old little rd off broadway ....old cinema down bottom on right west side........on tv few months ago....little old shop I went in 1970s......he came on tv said in family 100yrs....electronic bits were radio parts...windows always piled high..little parts for everything electrical etc....one of the oldest shops in family run was on tv.......

  • Re: Private Schools by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
    Hi John the motorbike shop was K of Ealing

  • Re: Private Schools by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
    Did you know John that Kays had half the cellers in that row.

  • Re: Private Schools by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
    Now you mention it, I do remember the m/c parts dept was downstairs, the queue would be all the way up the stairs. They also sold drawing instruments on the first floor I believe.

  • Re: Private Schools by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
    Thats right John i remember the slow move down the stairs Saturday morning.

  • Re: Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 11-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline I remember going to that cinema in Bond Street, I seem to recall it had a tin roof and when it rained you could hear it, it may have been damaged in the war, what was the name of that drapers they sold curtains etc., on the other corner, was Sandersons!!!!!

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
    on the corner next to old cinema...YES I went in there 1970 bought candlewick spread good sale on cheap......long time now it is oneill pub restaurant and looks like high flats above ...may be B and B.hotel................but at broadway....big corners was bentalls sayers north corner and opposite south corner sanders huge store 100ys..lilley skinner shoe shop other corner.........big church spire... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
    It's strange Zeta, I've probably got it wrong, but I thought the cinema we went in to watch the wedding of Elizabeth and Phillip was opposite our offices in Ealing Broadway - further along.
    It was a long time ago though 64 years!!

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
    big one in the broadway...there many yrs modernised etc.....on our photos etc last couple yrs..scaffolding......council says in gazette slow but process new screen complex there.......opposite town hall....registry office wedding steps........on uxbridge rd by bus stop........many have used that so many yrs ....more modern than the very old one down bond st.....1947 the modern uxb rd one was bound... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
    No, Yvonne, it definitely wasn't as far down as the Town Hall. We were running across to the one I remember several times in the day.

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Fairey Aviation Hayes by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 5-Mar-2011
Val mentioned that he worked for the Fairey Aviation, I remember going there dancing, when Ted Heath was becoming popular, and bands were copying him, did anyone go there?   
  • Re: Fairey Aviation Hayes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2011
    I went there with my friend Mauvine when we were about 15 plus. We got inside and there were loads of American GI's jitterbugging and throwing girls up in the air and over their hips. It was very noisy. I remember we only stopped in there for about half an hour watching it all, and then decided to go home!

  • Re: Fairey Aviation Hayes by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline, I went to the Fairey when I about 15 too, had to be home by 10 and it was hard to leave, I loved the big bands. Talking about Tudor Rd, Pauline, did you remember Miss Ball, she lived in Delamere Rd.

  • Re: Fairey Aviation Hayes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    AEC.......photos board28....others on other boards.........key to aerial photo..aec...millwright....etc...24 sept 1940 bomb hit service area..aec.took 6mths get back to normal...night shift went in shelters nobody hurt.......today for first time ever cant get board25 back to first board.....26 to 30 ok....dont know why...try tomorrow if get chance

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Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
I went to the PNEU in 1938 and left when the war broke out - to Tudor Road.   
  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
    You were a bit behind me Zeta as I was there in the Infants in 1936. No doubt you remember the dreaded Miss Hannett the Headmistress, with grey hair tied in a bun at the back, with pursed lips, and very fond of using the cane in the Assembly Hall in the morning. In the Juniors do you remember Mrs Jones a Welsh teacher, Miss Green, Miss Rumming - who used to teach in the hut, Miss Kingsnorth and Mi... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
    In defence of Miss Smith, she was a wonderful storyteller, and every lesson we had with her, she finished reading a bit more from one of her books. We all sat absolutely spellbound while she read. She also taught a bit of history at times, and on one occasion she said that what she was going to tell us was very important. She said "James V1 of Scotland became James 1 of England". If she said it on... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2011
    Zeta-the boy next door to us, Richard Pannell went to the PNEU school, as did his friend from Palgrqave Avenue,George Southall

  • Re: Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
    I remember Miss Trent but not the others, when I visited Tudor Rd in 1994, the headmistress showed me around and the assembly hall was exactly the same, the only difference was the gas lights had gone, I looked into my old classroom in the corner, very nostalgic.

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    Zeta how wonderful to see inside Tudor road school. I can remember looking out of the front window of our class to the top of the road. Do you remember the Alphabet on the right-hand side of the wall on long posters? A for Apple (and a picture) B for Bear C for Cat etc. We had to go through it all every single day. The little milk bottles we had with a straw - ice coming out of the top in the wint... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    the schools do try and show old students around..deputy head said I could go o doormers...write phone email date they can manage it and sure they would show you round hall corridors etc tudor now....new organ st george..etc...

  • Re: Private Schools by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
    Hello Michael, I don't remember anyone at the PNEU, which is a shame, the photo I have didn't come out very well, I must try and do it again, it's a bit faded.

  • Re: Private Schools by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 15-Mar-2011
    Can somebody tell me what PNEU stands for, I gather it was a school but I cant remember it. h e l p!!

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
    best wishes jean...parents national education union...it is on friends reunited site.......think only 20 left in the country now...one at rickmansworth by ruislip middx.........infants young was it 4yrs old......think southall closed 1939....it was by holy trinity church off uxbridge rd there opposite southall pk.....zeta went there then onto tudor rd primary...mikes 2 friends around north rd...we... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 15-Mar-2011
    Yvonne, thanks for the prompt reply - I was delving into my poor old brain but couldn't come up with it.
    I know now, thanks a lot. Jean

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
    Jean - I know this is nothing to do with Private Schools, but thought of you yesterday when I had a letter from an old neighbour of mine in Langley to say that the lovely old pub "THE HARROW" in Langley Village has closed, and there is to be a takeaway! I know you would remember it, just past the War Memorial. It had such a huge forecourt.

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
    jean on google some of them took them at 3 yrs old nursery.......today we have lots of that...2 parents working....but not so many in the 30s.....but busy times southall in the 30s.....growing factory office ever expanding town..rail and canal.main trunk route road to london..with more main routes roads growing nearby.....3 yr olds start.it has proved many yrs later how beneficial....nursery young... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
    pauline jean .it is useful have let the site dead pubs by kevan know..interesting there all landlords records of pubs..on google harrow langley..lovely direct into street view quicker than usual way..green countryside..review and score one in the list.....also lovely large such good quality photo of the post office 1987.....home of langley village berks .click..and survey slough heritage forum is ... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
    It's a shame about The Harrow Pub. It used to be a picturesque pub, but we left long before Langley College was built or the Harrow Market. I'm afraid once the Road Research Laboratories were demolished and Langley College was built, everything changed!

  • Re: Private Schools by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 16-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline, thanks for that, of course I remember the Harrow well - very impressive building for a small village - fancy them putting a takeaway there, dont people use pubs anymore!!!
    We left Langley in 1967 to come to Australia, and luckily Adelaide is not like the big citiies Sydney and Melbourne, it is more like a country town - but I still miss Langley it was the first home we bought
    after w... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
    thought adelaide must be nice like that....good...saw sydney canberra melbourne..and went off from darwin.....my goodness they like the stubbies.....bottles larger beer.......but gdad and uncles..southall...it was fullers watney youngs breweries nearby......dark beers..stout guiness at park royal...brown ale .bitter etc........many are victorian pubs...kept and would be in conversation local landm... more >>

  • Re: Private Schools by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Mar-2011
    Jean, you will probably remember the huge fire when the Wood Yard caught fire next to the Harrow pub. My husband and I and our two girls went to watch it. If you tap in Google "Langley wood yard fire" and then click on "Glazing 24 hours etc." you will discover over 200 photos - some very old - of Langley. I could just about make out the back of a man my husband knew, Percy Beckett, who always had ... more >>

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General Southall by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
Yvonne, talking of Townfield School, I remember there were underground shelters that were off bounds to us, I believe it was part of some Airforce Training place not sure on that, anyway us kids would get into them through the escape hatches and play around in them, and if we got caught we got detention, your'e right I was one of them that got caught.   
  • Re: General Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2011
    best wish zeta glad you enjoy site..good for everybody well done..townsfield had been closed several yrs when I visited 1980s..chose some bits left in the hall.........place very sad then dark..eerie..ha.....now modern bright hayes college campus.......lived off coldharbour a while so know the area....all the very besy ytxx

  • Re: General Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    southall football.....of boys brigade paul goddard...and alan devonshire....west ham came friendly game..and carry on team and jack wilder.......carnival..corner of regina..sweets badges thrown.....girlsboys brig bands....floats lorries..southall guides alice wonderland cook and flowerpots going over bridges....special for 1965 southall became borough...trampoline marquee flowers..,george allan li... more >>

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bobby Gordons dance school by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
Does anyone know if Bobby Gordon as the name seems to ring a bell had dancing lessons at The Horse Shoes in Southall, I went there and we did ballet, acrobats and tap dancing, this would have been just prior to the war and maybe 1940   
  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by maggie shaw (Member 10255238) on 4-Mar-2011
    In early 1960s I had dancing lessons upstairs in The Three Horseshoes but these were run by a lovely couple called Maurice Valence and Kathleen Bonner. I'm still in touch with Angela Wade the publican's daughter who also attended the dance classes. She lives in Spain and was recently widowed. Those were happy days and we travelled all over England to dancing competitions.

    I'm not familiar with... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2011
    maggie same yr as me dormers get back to you tomorrow got workmen in..best wish

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Mar-2011
    I went to BOBBY GORDONS DANCE SCHOOL at Northfields Avenue a day school.I attended the pre-school nursery section. Uniform was white pleated dresses, panama hat - very strict there. I left at the age of 5 to go to North Road Infants. Although I was there from the age of 4 to 5 I remember it so well. Not all good memories either. Chris x x

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Mar-2011
    I attended Bobby gordons during the late 1940's. Chris x

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Mar-2011
    i went to dancing lessons at the fairlawn hall and i think thatmay have been bobby gordon who ran that class i was no good at dancing as i did nt know my right from my left and i might add stiit is still a problem good job i dont drive

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Mar-2011
    I wasn't any good either Sheila......that's why I was taken away from the Dance School and sent to North Road. I recall my Mum got my uniform, second hand, from a lady who had a hair-dressers near Woodford's bakery opposite the Police Station. Chris xx

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    maggie...................do you mean left dormers 66 .as I did...zeta went tap dance 3 horseshoes..photos pub on our photoboards.....best wishes to you and yours.....1966.dormers had just built new sci block fischel...6th form and new toilets....well corridor so you looked over and down...library art in new block...this month started more build 1300 students..they have swim pool there...photos our... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by maggie shaw (Member 10255238) on 7-Mar-2011
    Dear Yvonne,

    I attended Dormers Wells for only two years from 1961 as took 13+ exam which qualified me to go to Hampton School of Commerce. Dormer's headmistress, Miss Morris, tried to pursuade my mother that it would kill me if I went there because it was such a long way to go. However, off I went at 6h30 every morning, changing buses at Brentford and Isleworth and Twickenham to Hampton. I mad... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    best wish maggie....yes if anybody remembers them gladstone rd..by film studio.......on friends reunited they have clicl places and gives streets,,,,,then numbers houses members lived yrs lived there...for you to contact...yes miss morris secretary mrs grey...they both came from havesford west .by st davids far wales...route across to ireland..they both retired back there died elderly...mrs foot ... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
    maggie have sent off to reunited from you and I to linda,,,,,,,but think they go on there at millenium excitement fad////change address email and never tell reunited......so many...dont seem to be able to reply if they no longer have computer or anything and dont tell reunited...linda married america many yrs....marilyn rambert must have travelled the world..same yellow paint her mums bungalow yrs... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Oliver Dunkin (Member 10260921) on 20-May-2011
    Hello All

    Very difficult to read some of these entries but I found you by searching for my aunts, Marilyn and Linda.

    My late father, Geoffrey Dunkin, went to Lady Margaret school and then to Greenford Grammar. Marilyn and Linda were are his half sisters after their mother Edie re... more >>

  • Re: bobby Gordons dance school by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-May-2011
    dearest marilyn so sorry you are in poor health..prhaps after all yrs dancing...60s you were the most slim graceful dancer..coppelia with linda saw...mirror as twins you seemed..remember you spoke well of brother when visited you bungalow...2 letters to linda last mths friends reunited..but she may have changed email..venerbles lady marg hut by town hall ballet...mods rockers beatles..salzburg sch... more >>

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Dormers Wells by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
Does anyone remember the name of Miriam Lothian please I think she went to Dormers Wells school she had two brothers one was Don   
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vinegar by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 3-Mar-2011
I can recall, as a young lad, a man with a tricycle coming round the streets selling vinegar. I seem to remember his call was "vinegar a mummy dear" or something similar. What a way to make a living !   
  • Re: vinegar by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    I can recall a man Comeing round the streets Sunday afternoon, tray on his head ringing a bell selling muffins.

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
    Yes Denis, I also remember a man coming round with a tray on his head, ringing a bell,shouting "Muffins & Crumpets". That was when we lived in Bankside in 1936!

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
    We used to buy our vinegar from George Grubham Roy. We had to take our own bottle up to get it filled. Unfortunately, I loved the taste of vinegar, and when I got home one day the vinegar had gone down. My mother would have none of it, and made me go back to tell George to fill it up properly. George did fill it up, but eyed me very suspiciously!

  • Re: vinegar by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    Yes Pauline could be the same man, remember he came form Somerset Rd. across L.Marg. Rd into Lynwood Gdns. dad sent me out befor he went into Kingsbridge Grdns.

  • Re: vinegar by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    This would be early 50s.

  • Re: vinegar by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
    The Muffin man used to come down Wentworth Rd.
    The Rag and Bone man with his horse and cart.
    Fowler's Bakery would delivery bread in something resembling a small horse drawn cart, which the delivery man would pull around the streets.
    There was a man that delivered laundry in a covered horse and cart, and the barges on the canal were pulled by horses, my Dad would go over to the tow path with h... more >>

  • Re: vinegar by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Mar-2011
    I remember the muffin man too. I think he came to Shrubbery Road on a Sunday afternoon, tray on his head, ringing his bell. We also had the horse drawn baker's van, and horse drawn milk float, and then the lamp lighter used to come just when it was getting dusk and light the street lamps. The rag and bone man had a horse drawn cart, and he rang a bell and called out "rag bone" as he drove slowly ... more >>

  • Re: vinegar by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Mar-2011
    Does anyone remember the man who occasionally stood by North Road school with a pile of boxes full of day-old chicks which he would exchange for a bundle of rags? I remember rushing home to tell my mother and after a lot of rummaging around, she managed to get together three small bundles of old bits and pieces so that I could get three chicks (had two brothers who wanted a chick too). The man was... more >>

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
    We had a rag and bone man on a horse and cart in Northcote Avenue selling chicks at times for rags. Like you I got one chick for some rags (and he wasn't going to let me have it). It did start to get some brown feathers, but unfortunately developed a gammy leg. We made a small splint for him and called him Stalin as he was so brave! However, he didn't last long poor thing. My dad did get some cock... more >>

  • Re: vinegar by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Mar-2011
    The Muffin man had a place at rear of chip shop on the corner of Osterley Pk Rd, Does anyone remember Norwood Farm Dairy milkman by the name of Bill Thunder. Had a horse and cart till they gave him an electric hand cart, he was also a bookie that took bets on his round, used to park the float top of Regina Rd, while he went for a pint in the Old Oak Tree. till one day someone put it into the canel.

  • Re: vinegar by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Mar-2011
    Thanks Bob often wonderd where he came from.

  • Re: vinegar by thompson (Member 10241148) on 6-Mar-2011
    Pauline like you I took a sherry bottle to the Vinegar man for filling , but by the time I had reached our front door some had been drunk.
    Now I do not like vinegar on fish and chips.

    I also recall the rag and bone man. Also as a kid Johnny Ives let me ride his horse of his green grocer's cart.

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
    Hi Thompson - am not sure if you lived in Northcote Avenue at some time. If you did, do you remember Percy Rose who was also a Costermonger. He also had a horse and cart, and was a right character. I always remember the boys in the road chalked some awful words all over the wheels of his cart - can't mention them here, but he was really mad!

  • Re: vinegar by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 14-Mar-2011
    Pauline I love the one about the vinegar, was that shop in Southall High Street on a corner, on the elfthand side, did they sell all sorts in sacks outside? I think it was near the Co-op.

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Mar-2011
    Hi Zeta. If you mean Grubhams - it was half way down Northcote Avenue, just on the corner past the "Northcote Arms". It was a lovely little shop that was used by the whole community. Lovely ham sliced while you waited on their hand operated machine. They did invest in an electric one later on. They sold everything in there, plus paraffin. Customers used to leave their cans in there to be filled. I... more >>

  • Re: vinegar by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Mar-2011
    Zeta, the shop you were asking about in Southall High Street I think was Sanders on the corner of St George's Avenue. It had a green door and inside the door was an enamel basin full of peas and biscuits in tins along the front of the counter. The doorway was set into the corner, and on the opposite corner was the Popular fish shop. Next door to Sanders was the Co-op which took you up to Hall's th... more >>

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General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 3-Mar-2011
Did anyone belong to the Woodcraft Folk, it was run by the Co-operative Society, I went to one in the Labour Hall in Old Hayes Town, from around 1945 to 1950, we went camping and hiking, we all had names relating to animals or trees etc., we did folk and morris dancing, and we had a great choir. My Mother and Father help to run a Whist Drive there on a Saturday too, Mum used to do the supper, mak... more >>   
  • Re: General by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Mar-2011
    Zeta-I went to a similar one at the Labour Hall in Southall pre-war for a few months. I remember we had a young women come to talk to us-she had spent a year in Moscow. She drew a rosy picture of Stalins USSR!

  • Re: General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
    Yes Mike looking back at the Woodcraft Folk it was a bit on the red side, one song we sang was The Internationale and the words were very socialist. the club was very good for young people when we went camping it was all set out like the American Indians, in a semi circle, with the camp fire in the middle, we had inspection in the morning all neat and tidy like the army, but had lots of fun the ki... more >>

  • Re: General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 19-Mar-2011
    Hi Pauline, you mentioned the milk we had at Tudor Rd, yes, we paid a twopence halfpenny a week, and like you say it was awful in the summer and froze up in the winter and they used to put the bottles underneath radiators. Did you have school dinners there, they must have bought them in I can't remember any kitchens there.

  • Re: General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
    Hi Zeta I'm afraid my memory of school dinners in the infants is very ropey. I do remember going home to dinner when we lived at Northcote Avenue. My mother was a good cook - steak and kidney suet pudding, rabbit stew with belly of pork and dumplings, lots of casseroles, shepherd's pie, etc. plus a pudding, tapioca, rice pudding, semolina, which I loved (despite what my brothers used to tell me it... more >>

  • Re: General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
    I forgot to mention my real favourites - spotted dick, treacle pudding and jam tart.

  • Re: General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Mar-2011
    bread pudding crusty sugar top in meat dish sliced up..liked ron saying he saw the recipe here and went off and cooked it..in oz......bread and butter pudding...all good for left over stale bread.....copper monday boil wash..rinse with a blue//mangle and out on line high with prop..gypsy dolly pegs....my aunt made me a great wood doll our of that pipe cleaner arms.frilly frock.age 6 went to school... more >>

  • Re: General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
    Yes, I remember the good old bread pudding. I cut a recipe out of the Daily Mirror in the 50's when I was at work - the Old Codgers! I have copied that recipe out for my friends, family etc. over the years. Don't eat much bread nowadays, and it's best for it to be a bit stale.
    Oh how I remember that wonderful beef dripping on bread. Beef was cheaper than turkey in those days. Occasionally we had ... more >>

  • Re: General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Mar-2011
    yes nan and my aunt would soak the bread..and think put saucer plate on it.to firm it..then all currants sultanas..like xmas mixed spice...perfume smell aroma from the oven..ron will get mouth watering again in oz and bake again.........my aunt was a shocker for bread dripping she loved it......so much water processed ham today..it is good from like grubhams firm real texture ham flavour...just re... more >>

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Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
My Dad John Hay worked at Quaker Oats just after the war, I remember Mum saying his money was so much less after working in the ammunition factory in Bourne Road Hayes where he was earning 16 pounds a week, down to 9, big drop, but you glad to get a job.   
  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Mar-2011
    yes ours worked munitions aunts new to job so very thrilled get good wage...dangerous work..even more so 1st wwar..........but piece wk and night wk.extra money for shifts.......they had never know..decent wage at last.......dress or shoes ..pub night..cinema....little extra for 1st time ever 40s...labourers1890 to 1930s..terrible low wage long hrs....little bit money in pkt at last munitions ..or factory work.......

  • Re: Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 15-Mar-2011
    Cousins, I remember that shop my Mum used to my bodices from there remember them girls, they had rubber buttons down the front, lovely and warm.

  • Re: Local General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
    Yes Zeta, my mum used to call them Liberty Bodices. As you say, they were lovely and warm.

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
    just bit of fire in living room rest of hse stone cold..so vests..petticoats slips for yrs...and so much outdoor walk wait for buses..warm underwear....my aunts had rubberized hard to pull on ....roll ons...with stockings clip.......and 50s seam up back of fine sheer stockings.........cinema 30s 40s glamour had influence.......black pencil drawn seam during the war when no stockings at all.....and... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Mar-2011
    Talking about stockings, and how they were in short supply after the war, I can remember my friend Mauvine and I went on a coach to visit my mother when she was in a Sanitorium in Hertfordshire. We had this idea to paint our legs with some mixture or other in a bottle or to be squeezed out of a tube. Can't remember which, but I think we bought it in Woolworths. Anway, my mother took one look at me... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 16-Mar-2011
    Ah yes Liberty Bodices,My mum used to put a lining of pink stuff in mine (think it was called Thermogene)as I always suffered from a bad chest in the winter.Also navy blue knickers with a pocket for your handkerchief.This was as a schoolgirl of course.

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
    great memories ..ha..they say gravy browning got used to stain leg...fake tan they use today all over...ha.....my nan...so many of the woman back then..were strict..simple in their own life and upbringing..she never wore makeup lipstick or anything..was always home...came from rural hardwork life,,,but her three daughters..put lipstick on down the road when they went to pictures,,,influence of fi... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 17-Mar-2011
    I love you ladies, describing the liberty bodices and stockings, and the navy bloomers with the pocket we had to wear them for physical training didn't we!! I remember when we first had nylons 30 denier, I had some with flowers on the side and when I laddered them we took them to a shop where the lady sat in the window and repaired them I think it was 6d a run!!!! now you just throw them away, in... more >>

  • Re: Local General by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 17-Mar-2011
    My mum also used to buy my liberty bodices and navy-blue knickers from the In & Out shop.
    Also we used to queue up, on a Saturday morning,
    outside Dorothy Perkins to get nylons just after the war, only allowed one pair each, think they were 10 shillings which was a lot of money in those days so naturally we used to get them invisibly mended by the little woman who sat in the dry cleaners window.

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2011
    there 2 lovely ladies during the night while we sleep...ha..jean zeta newzealand australia...miracle of computers.....william there now offering sympathy from the queen to the disasters....dot perkins many yrs opposite huge long veg stall traffic lights greenford..red lion pub there....bra etc ....1st bra school...ha...wont go there.....bentalls ealing briooadway corner aristok tights stocking my ... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2011
    dear ladies..lyons tea houses as ealing broadway ..west ealing..on tv today...the large marble arch ones had 400 employed...fashion stylish nippy..ribbon caps..slim.outfits.uniform.......nippy quick to serve...corner houses.1925 etc..songs were sung of them..cinemas told of them...new museum of london.modern by st pauls bulit after the war...has large detailed exhibition on them......photos on our... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 27-Mar-2011
    My Dad worked at Lyons Greenford and I can remember him bringing home large square tins of boiled sweets this was before the war.

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2011
    ours worked lyons to late 1970s.etc..bus up to there.....old photos lyons on our boards

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Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
Does anyone remember a grocers shop I think it was called Williams, Harry, Mum used to do her shop there and he did a bit of black market stuff, I seem to recall he got caught and got jailed, does anyone remember that   
  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
    I remember william brothers there were two shops next door to each other one sold groceries the other hard wear however much you spent you recieved the same amout in tin disc it was like a divi or these days nectar point . my mother used to save them towards christmas.

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
    forgot to say the shops were in south road. not far from the cinema i used to walk pass them each day on my way to work at Sherry s chemist. at that time the only chemist that stay open till 9pm we always had queue in the evening waiting for presription we were nt allowed to sell anything else only baby food or medicine after 6pm

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    hello sheila....christmas club at pub also...northcote arms..my family saved...gdad had barrel beer large family friends kitchen table tap on..and aunt doll took savings down broadway in the 50s..came back with all usually dates .holly misletoe..turkey went out back porchway.no fridge those days..oranges grapes..kids table jellies ..they all clubbed together only xmas.....less during the yr...quiet times the 50s

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    we always walked all that way round from west ave to sherry on corner chemist for nan..open late.undertaker opposite many yrs..spicer........moss chemist...zeta new zealand so our far friends through night and we see early morning but they abed now.....ha.....linen cutains aunt doll used to buy on weekly pay..greenford broadway wembly and southall she lied did club.........and hire purchase after ... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    free tv channel 12 yesterday......today 3pm rations olympics 1948 wembly ..german prisoner s war built olympic way..argentina brought corn beef holland brought butter...boxers,,sprinters..one from jap prisoner war under 7 stone weight.got bronze medal..but next yr empire games got 2 gold medals 10 stone recovered...cyclist ring is only place still there from olmypics..sad jane russell passed today... more >>

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
    yvonne do you remember the shop we all called the in and out shop [cousins ] i think that was at the top of northcote ave I used to get my girls dress from there they were always good quality and little bit different .mum always got rugs from there as well

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    yes big store we were trying to remember if they had cahier box and overhead wires money box shot across to cashier..pay there....nans cross over pinnies we always bought there...living west ave by alley of northcote ave we always used that west end of broadway....yes by there...my aunt bought all sheets linen there 40s 50s..nan would have used it from 1928.....boil the strong linen.lasted .bolste... more >>

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    sheila think I bought dress there age 11 very pretty best dress kept..was rare dress or even rarer coat......shoes had to get long walks school.....but...not loads money about after war.......did they sell coats ..think got that there...bouccle bobble material..wore that to school yrs got short...but lucky only titch myself managed to wear it lots yrs...rugs yes we had one at fire ..fire guard .bu... more >>

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
    yes yvonne that shopdid have a cashdesk my friend pam harman was the cashier for along time i think they sold most things . but i used to buy my clothes at elland which i think was on the next corner. once you got in elland they would nt let you out till you purchase something.

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
    Hi Sheila I remember the in and out store mum used to buy our clothes there

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
    sheila yes lots say that about ellands,...one member here knew the owners..jewish..people...I have been in clothes and also shoe shop like that over yrs and they were both like that....extreme....harman..could be mum or sister..you knew.....my class 6yrs in my photos..I had val harman went to bbc tv with me when we left 6th form.she did A level aunt she went as secretary...love to chat to her agai... more >>

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Mar-2011
    yvonne pam harman lived in lady margaret she still lives in southall and we are very good friends she comes to see me a couple of times a year her mother namre was renee

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
    thanks sheila if they had daughter val harman born 1949 went to dormers school to 1966..be grateful...gt to hear from val..thanks sheila...could be lady marg..lots went to that primary

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
    if they have my valerie .can give her my photos of her at school..good photos..lots chat memories hope she is of them..thankyou sincerely sheila..

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
    should have said yvonne acres A stream 6yrs ..eliz yoke her mates..did a level gce art..went to bbc tv white city shep bush with me.she was secretary there...heres hoping..she ginger hair abit..myself short dark hair bob dark eyes...

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
    Sheila the name Harman rings a bell where in L.M.Rd did thay live please.

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
    LEN everybody may know southall garage very old photo board30......old original type petrol pumps 3 racing cars out front..petrol tyres...also straight old ..also m .k. madeira engineering sheet metal..pipes...company...photo....alsp photo high jump park 1950s..there boys age 10 approx..200 photos there

  • Re: Local General by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Mar-2011
    Denis

    I knew a Christine Harman that went to Dormers Wells, they lived on Lady Margaret Rd on the left hand side as you go towards the Town Hall corner & from memory I'd say it was about 150 metres from the Town Hall

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
    Thanks Fred could know name from Dormers, in that area of L.M. Rd. between Shackelton and the Town hall lived a teacher called miss Cowgill She was a teacher at Lady Marg. Rd School in the 1950/60.

  • Re: Local General by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Mar-2011
    Yes our headmaster at St. Anselms Mr. Moore lived on the corner of Shackelton & Lady Margaret on the left side if going down to Lady Margaret pub.

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Mar-2011
    denis pam lived 36 lady margaret she had a brother peter and a sister sue all i believe went to north road pam went to dormers but i think the other two went to the grammer when i speak to pam i ll ask if your name rings any bells

  • Re: Local General by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 3-Mar-2011
    Sheila I remember that chemist you used to put the prescription in the door and collect later.

  • Re: Local General by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 3-Mar-2011
    Hi Sheila and all. I remember Cousins, the in and out shop - probably called that because you could walk in one side, go around the whole shop and walk out the other side. You could ask them to "put something by" and then pay them so much a week until paid up before collecting. I bought a stiff frilly petticoat like that from them in the '50's. I remember Williams too with the tin discs. I used to... more >>

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    Thank you Sheila what years would tha be

  • Re: Local General by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2011
    oh yes phyl the frill net stiff petticoats.for full skirts then,,,,my aunts always had slips 40s etc....things changed so girls vests etc...no central heating then no warm car.....today 3pm 10am..last of series tv channel 12 free...rations and 40s...xmas..such good fun..interesting..xmas in 40s.....thanks shiela..could be peters daughter val born 1949 thick long ginger hair..she is not on reunite.... more >>

  • Re: Local General by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 3-Mar-2011
    denis pam live there all the war years in fact her father still had the house until the very late 90s when it was sold and i believe it is now flats

  • Re: Local General by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Mar-2011
    Phyl-I remember Williams Bros and their discs for "Divi"-the manager was a Mr Hopkins. Nest door was Williams Harware shop.(mum bought our first bottle of Detol there-this was pre-war.

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    Thanks Sheila it could be the 1950s.

  • Re: Local General by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
    Yes Sheila, I also remember Cousins which was at the top of Northcote Avenue to the left. The only thing I ever remember buying in there when I was 15 was a short sleeved dress, black with a big panel of crimson red all down the front. I felt the bees-knees in that dress until I washed it. It was a type of crepe material, and I'm afraid it shrunk rather badly. It probably should have been dry-clea... more >>

  • Re: Local General by josie (Member 10235627) on 3-Mar-2011
    Does anyone remember Miss Anthony Headmistress of North rd School 1950's..she also lived L.LM.Rd near to DR Ginsberg Surgery on opposite side of road..regards Josie.

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    Now deos anyone remember Miss Edwards head misstres of L. Marg. Rd school 40/50s, also Mr May head of juniors 50s

  • Re: Local General by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
    Miss Edwards allways wore amber bracelets was head of infants.

  • Re: Local General by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
    Has anyone yet mentioned Flexmans coaches just off the Kings St in Western Rd. My parents used to take us on day trips to the coast, we rarely had regular holidays away in those days.
    You could also buy theatre tickets there, when I was married we would get our show tickets there. I went a few times to the Derby in Flexmans coaches.

  • Re: Local General by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2011
    John-I remember Flaxmans. Each year our Sunday School had a seaside trip to Bognor-transported by Flaxmans. We had a good day by the sea,Before coming home, we were given qa splendid tea ib the grounds of Bognor parish church. Onthe waty back we stopped at a pub-Smiths Crisps and lemonade for us kids

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local general by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
There was a bicycle shop on the righthand side going into Southall I think it was called Evans, I got my first bike there a Carlton racing bike it cost 16pounds, and I paid it off at 10shillings a week, I was earning 2 pounds a week then and was 16 years old.   
  • Re: local general by Vince Jackson (Member 10004627) on 1-Mar-2011
    I remember Evans the bike shop very well, bought my first bike from there in 1972 when I left school at 5s a week and cycled every day to Acton and back. It was on the right just before you got to Saxon road and just across the road was Evans toyshop which also sold prams etc next to Parkers the bakers

  • Re: local general by thompson (Member 10241148) on 1-Mar-2011
    Evans Bike Shop, are yes; Stan Evans and family were active members of the Southall Swimming Club.

    As well as Bikes, they also sold prams, pushchairs and other baby goods in the 1960's. When my two eldest children were born Stan had plates painted with their birth weight, date and time of birth inscribed on them.

    The other Bike shop nearly oppersite was Taylors, who also sold TVs and radios.... more >>

  • Re: local general by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Mar-2011
    There was another cycle shop in Lady Marg. Rd Vic Huphrey sold raceing bikes, was big in bike raceing, was nr L.M. pub then moved to other end of L.M Rd i bought a new Viking raceing bile of him in 1958 think he died early 1970.

  • Re: local general by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Mar-2011
    Bike not bile

  • Re: local general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    your talk of fishing shop..victorian reel brass 1890 just sold £60 /80.....my cousin in york took us to his fishing shop he was proud of 2nd hand reel he had..huge fishing shop harefield all yrs middx at 3 rivers colne fast flow..weir rapids etc..fish terns swoop catch fish and canal also.....uncle fred and charlie bridges prefabs went fishing runnymead etc etc

  • Re: local general by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2011
    Yes, I, like many others, bought my first bike at Evans when I was 17. A red Raleigh, much more up market than my old Daisy-Bell. Can't remember how much it was or how much I paid a week. All I remember is that I had a little book which was crossed off every week, and when I had finally paid for it, I felt so proud. Can still remember that feeling all those years ago.

  • Re: local general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    DYLIS...today lincs aviation heritage centre..you went .lancs.avro sound merlin engine....today 2pm on channel 12...photos on our site of bbc tv antique roadshow there....55000 died......showed film getting pilot out if managed get back to airbase...all hangers...

  • Re: local general by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
    Not my first bike, but I bought a Dayton Roadmaster bike from Evans, or rather my Dad bought it for me.
    He won £100 on Littlewoods Pools, Eight draws but only paid out £100, which was quite a lot in 1952.
    In those days you never needed to lock up your bike. I never did own a bike lock.

    There was a pram shop across the street from Evans, where we bought a Silver Cross Pram for our d... more >>

  • Re: local general by dennis legge (Member 10258800) on 5-Mar-2011
    Evan Bike Shop was next Door to Evans Butchers, they where Brothers, my Brother Married Les Evans Sister in Law

  • Re: local general by LEN GODDARD (Member 10247752) on 7-Mar-2011
    Dennis Evans shop was on the corner of Oswald Rd. Parkers the bakers was next door.

  • Re: local general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    very best wishes to you LEN....lovely hear you...so many our prams from evans I think......take care,....good wishes to you and yours always.

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general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
dee tomlin..are you old face southall.....ivy vera tomlin married into my family had 4 children 1940s springwell rd cranford lane...monday channel free tv 12 28th..3pm 9pm ration london and olymoics 1948..pauline bankside photo board21..percy bradbury lived..mum and ken..lee..saw him in the parlour went to war young unmarried..died changi prison war camp dysentry .japs..buried there..1943..suffolk... more >>   
  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    southall civilian died on google archive..cpl john charles gurdler..21 yrs old unmarried son of charles linda 11 townsend rd southall..31 may 1943 working home guard job at maryport far west side cumbria..google says find my past site has roll honour war..deaths...and also civilian war deaths...they must have payed for kew archive collection town hall arp records...and indexed..put on line for com... more >>

  • Re: general by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
    What makes the I.W.M more intersting is that it was originlly Bedlam mental institution

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    yes have often read that...fine size building..huge navy gun out front...yes have their large booklet.guide brochure.last time went..and yes they took over that building..did st bernards te other day...there were so many asylums..london greater london let alone rest of country...bad victorian poverty.contributed...and middle upper classes..they put the wives in...easy to have wife put away..or sin... more >>

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    pauline..just had break through school friends,,,but australia..ha....and vancouver...so many moved far..ha......by us 71 west ave,,used spikes pk...coxen family but 1953 after prefab golflinks estate.......went tudor rd and dormers...all memories grubhams...and so much more.....northcote pub her mum worked in.....told her our photo on our boards...77 west ave now hotel double house....was day cen... more >>

  • Re: general by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2011
    How lovely for you Yvonne. As you say it's the photos that bring back the memories of Southall so much. Having said that, as I've already mentioned on this site, my brother David (who has since died) took me back to Southall in 2000. He asked me what I wanted for my birthday, and I said I wanted to go back to see Southall and all our old haunts. I do wish we had taken photos, but the memories of t... more >>

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
    so thrilled that david you went back together before he passed,,photos would have been gt but more important you were together...use our photos and make some sketches instead....yes we had benches and bike shed..old airraid shelter cobwebs,,,,took dozen photos of girls and huts field and hall..but I could make sketches of the rest......especially with support of friends reunite schools dormers tud... more >>

  • Re: general by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
    Have been reading some more from my brother David's autobiograohy when he worked part time for Grubhams for five years. He used to ride a delivery bike, the same as the one used by Granville in "Open all hours". Grubhams sold lots of small hardware items like pots and pans, brushes, pegs, and most annoying of all paraffin. People used to leave their cans to be filled and they leaked, and he had to... more >>

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
    yes the records have father there dennis 1914 and 1911 records......did our mr drubhams the son have family..wife children their names at all.....so thats 40 s 50s we all knew them....nan 1928 would have dealt with parents no wonder she knew them so well.....go on errand through alley off she sent us kids......meant rons mum edith they moved in with 1953 carole born 1955....dot parents must have l... more >>

  • Re: general by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
    George Grubham wasn't married or had children. He was in his fifties when David was working for them. We used Grubhams in the late 30's, and he was a godsend to my mother as he would tot up some of the goods she had at the end of the week.
    In those days it was "on tick". It's credit cards today!!

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
    oh shame he was on his own...did not ever hear of family...pkt lentils pearl barley think I went for ..nan to use stew.....1928 she would have used them expect on tick as well...pre 1928 she would have used corner grocer at oak pub common northhyde expect tick as well..she had 6 little ones.....he had meat but difficult for kids and as always she left herself to what else...she would put herself l... more >>

  • Re: general by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
    You're right Yvonne - it must have been the cinema in Bond Street as the royal blue tiles certainly ring a bell. I knew the cinema further up on the either side opposite the Town Hall,and it wasn't that one. Thanks for that.

  • Re: general by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
    unless on photos 29......it is palladium theatre 1930s became cinema to demolish 1957...became shops..opposite bank and old north star pub at traffic lights..around bend to left north abc cafe....best wishes....the walpole cinema facade was on our photos royal blue tiles high ornate swirls..went to ealing took a photo of it and parts of ealing 2010...

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southall bombs by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 24-Feb-2011
I can remember the bomb that dropped on the houses in Lady Margaret Road close to where the traffic lights are. It killed a well-known local all-in wrestler. The new houses now stand back from the existing terrace.   
  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Feb-2011
    Thats right Roy across Holy Trinity hall as was where i whent to the cub/scouts tues. nights.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
    todays gazette.....council allowed street party.....clarence st ...royal wedding because kates family from there.......was dudley rd also................and kingbridge rd norwood green 25yrs from 1966 there..............140 residents informed by letter.....packs can go to anybody have party usually health safety etc.........today gt sun angelsey coast new lifeboat wills speech grand and kate crack... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by John W (Member 10082501) on 24-Feb-2011
    During the war I was going to school at Featherstone Rd juniors. The only memory I have of the bombing in Southall was when we were hurried off to the shelter, which was an above ground strengthened large room sandbagged on the outside. As I was probably about six or seven at the time, I only have a vague memory of it. What has stayed with me is not only the loud explosion but the shock felt throu... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
    have tried couple times cant get your numbers here youtube...but in google...type youtube boming 2nd war or such like and videos there......ca you give us the title of your you tube easier just to put that in google.........mr heydon on bbc memories in google..remembers he was at tudor rd juniors and bluster bomb there...his mum worked night work aec armoured vehicles....he remembers buzz bomb sou... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 25-Feb-2011
    I have snapshots of memories from WW2 when my family were living in Palgrave Avenue. The 'doodlebugs' droning sound, then silence when everyone held their breath until the explosion, then everyone breathed again and put the kettle on. Sleeping on a makeshift bed in the indoor shelter which took up most of the space of our front room along with the piano and treadle sewing machine during raids. Sea... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
    what a good account janice thankyou..peace you were dressed ..3 photos our board waste ground lady marg rd fancy dress coronation many kids......firestone my cousin.worked she went oz 1957.....FRED......doris sherwood anderson lived opposite hse bombed .. she was little her mum them bombed out rebuilt moved back nov 1946 regina....her mum yrs of operations after her damaged body £150 from mayordi... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
    Hi Janice i think a bomb also penetrated Southall gasometer i read the bomb disposal team had a very bad time removeing it

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
    doris anderson on google of regina rd...said they had to assemble mission hall opposite laundry where she worked..queue people in night clothes going along street evacuated..look out post on top of laundry..airraid siren at heston airport house opposite largebomb came down on house opposite not exploded but killed old man living alone..10 am today free channel 12 tv..hour bombs wireless entertain... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
    Not to sure but it could be in a book the ( blitz then and now ) published by (after the battle) a trilogy of books a real mine of imformation run from 1939 to 1944 the V1 & V2 known as the second Battle of Britian. Not sure on Google

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
    thanks dennis will try see what can find..just put more photos on board26 to 29.....west ealing williams rd june 1907 ruins fire houses there..photo....typhoon raf fly past fife st andrews 11.55....on freeview 82 sky news tv...good speech of wills..kate red suit as red gowns of uni choir..museum looks interesting..gt fascinator hair slide yesterday with welsh regiment cameo in it...gd speech wills... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
    Just been on Wikip. go to Southall gas works A design statment good history but little on WW2

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
    yes have seen wiki southall..yes 3 volumes blitz..amazon..£113.85 ..or £42.70 each..cities bomb accounts for historians..edited by winston g ramsey..hdbs..1500pges...all yrs war....thanks barry raymond has some hayes town hall..sheets accounts wardens records bombs details hayes...from town hall held the records....

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Feb-2011
    Your mention of air-raid shelters in the street John W. sparked off a memory for me, never to be forgotten. I was in bed, and it was dark when I hear a commotion outside in the road. I got out of bed and opened the window and someone was shouting at the top of their voice "The war's over". In an instance, we were all out in the street - my dad was at work - and everybody was going mad with joy. Be... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
    Pauline i can remember the air raid shelters in Lady Margaret road when pulled down bases uesd for flower beds i think 1 still still there, remember dad telling my mum got legless on gin and had to be put to bed

  • Re: southall bombs by josie (Member 10235627) on 25-Feb-2011
    Hello Denis...there are two flower beds still there both very near to THe Lady Margaret Pub (now A Medical Centre)...both on opposite side of the road,always kept very nice by the Council.Regards Josie.

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Feb-2011
    Good for your Mum Denis. I was only coming up to fourteen then, and a few weeks later I was out in the big world earning a living. Funnily enough, in those days we thought we were so grown up at that age, when in reality we were still children.

  • Re: southall bombs by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
    Another bomb in Southall comes to mind. This was a very large bomb for that stage of war. It fell in the Argyle Road area, in the gardens of the houses, leaving a massive crater, but mercifully no fatalaties. My parents had friends there, the Glyns.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    yes good no deaths..seems google and published only tell of regina rd because deaths so bad,,,their gardens .just off park ave...to east of southall park..may be couple dropped that night the park and argyll ave...of park ave.knowsley also...my friend lived there HARMAN family if known mike....aec photo of nazi rece aerial map of aec large area on our boards..shows pilot knew that armoured vehicle... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
    Although not a large bomb, a cluster of bombs severely damaged several houses at the far end of Lancaster road, Southall. After a raid the previous night, we all walked past the bomb damaged houses on our way to the back entrance of Tudor road school. George Wimpeys was a few yards away, fortunately undamaged.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    that is such interesting account thanks pauline...MIKE ......sept 2010 on short page board here ....glyn......says was 19 in 1950..went to america as war bride..lived argyl ave by southall pk..kathleen franck campbell.a cousin there

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
    Lancaster Rd was a stick of bombs this day the wood yard at Hayes bridge was hit and set on fire.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    thanks did see names owners those sawmills wood piles over the yrs but forget at moment...as kid always saw.down along by spikes..piles planks canal side yards.fresh clean wood ..and barges....just saw kew archive owners farms...hayes bridge farm ....have seen hayes gate farm..which is along by bridge...coldharbour farm..and corner brstal there farm....hayes court farm....fires ..saw remains clear... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
    Just for information the 3 ref. books i mentiond can be borrowd from your local library.

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
    Was the timber yard called Horsleys.

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
    George Wimpeys wasn't a Rubber works. I think Denis will know as one of his relatives worked there. If not, I can find out from my relatives what they made.

  • Re: southall bombs by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
    The only rubber works that comes to my mind, is the Wolfe Rubber company, which was on the left of the Uxbridge Road in the Hayes dirction after passing over the canal bridge-and therin lies a tale!

  • Re: southall bombs by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
    Yvonne-the Glyn girl was, I think Moira-the age is certainly about right

  • Re: southall bombs by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 26-Feb-2011
    George Wimpey were builders. I seems to recall Wimpey Homes too. I believe the Wolfe rubber works was one of the first to bring people over from the Carribean to work there.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    yes wolf rubber..50s they increased..and I ran over spikes bridge could not stand the noxious fumes,..like gas..massive amount work wolf.they had after war 50s increased caribbean yes...wimpey homes at ideal home go in around hse good fun...uncle george worked wimpey they built behind stanhope school.mansell rd behind shops..he built that area up...we lived in a wimpey 14 yrs/////MIKE...maureen gl... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    kew archive of borough hillingdon local history..on google,,,,,has victoria sawmills.....east side hayes..by canal hayes bridge...woolf rubber.chibnall s bakery..guys calculator machines...all part huge minet estate.3 farms hayes bridge farm at hayes gate,,uxbridge rd..coldharbour farm hayes ct farm.......will minet to 1933 sue to 1976 peter to 1992 now minet trust the land ownership....yes will l... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
    I well remember when the first arrival of Indian workers came to Woolfe's Rubber Works. They were mainly from the Punjab in India, and I used to see them sitting on the grass verges by the Rubber works when I was cycling to the EMI in Hayes on my bicycle just before 1950. They eventually arrived in their thousands.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    yes..and all patrs world borough ealing decades.have especially with others..decided..asylum seakers,,illeg etc..etc all sorts from everywhere....relatives follow etc...loads lodging places southall etc.TB we wiped out badly on increase again.....many many many thousands..see that victoria sawmills south side hayes bridge 50s..north side uxbridge rd by ta centre james davis timberyard 50s....fire ... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
    Yes, that's it Yvonne - James Davies - Timber Merchants in the 50's by the side of the Drill Hall. I've been wracking my brains trying to think of it. I've still got the picture in my mind. Brings to mind as well "The last waltz" at the Drill Hall dances. Oh well - memories!

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    good thanks pauline..we had photo ta centre on board,,cost millions..architecture grand ..but pulled down now...what waste money.....those 2 lady our members at berwick remembered sawmills woodyards...still narrowboats uxb denham chorleywwod but leisure and some pay pleasure trips..nice museum teashop at rickansworth..canoe rapids club canal harefield..but now cormerants herons swans ducks have it... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
    Thank you Pauline James Devies timber your right, George Wimpey civil enginners Lancaster Rd. plant repair i know becuse my dad worked there. Wolf rubber other side of Hayes bridge, Wasnt the Rd opp. where Chiristen Keller came from.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
    says she born uxbridge 1942 22 feb.father army..but went off..mum went with bloke..they moved wraysbury .she scared stepfather.bad experience.at.couple babysitting at age 12.left sch 16 hated office job..17 left home had baby boy tried to terminate preg..premature bab boy born died 6days in hosp.went work model soho.rest history..lives stanmore now..dont know if went sch primary uxb.prob not moved... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
    Yvonne old Swan and bottle long gone.

  • Re: southall bombs by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Feb-2011
    I have read here & on the Charlesworth 'subject' in this forum of 'the deaths' from the Regina Rd bombing well my Mum & Dad confirm that although houses on either side of ours were damaged it was only ours that was completely destroyed & only my Grandmother that was killed.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
    thankyou fred.yes the southall main history always just says of regina..so bad .several casualties......the 2 ladies killed shoeshop by palace cinema not there..but our site here so special people who had to listen to the terrible ake and bombs can tell us today of it all....aberthenies school uniform store west ealing deaths....and hayes had it so very bad...emi special stone on our photo boards.... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
    fred one of bbc war peoples memories on google local man your parents may know some of these peoples names..who talk of regina...ernest stonestreet..born 1926..spoke of several deaths regina but just how people heard of the regina fly bomb V1 disaster..he talks of st bernards aec as well..etc..6names of people on other sites give accounts of southall,,,and denis has the reference book in libraries... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
    meant to say he died 1936 so one less to send off to war..2 brothers went nafrica italy wounded but got back to west ave ok.in at nans front door..end war..pages back here often regina bomb spoken of...index ..type in regina in google....up comes may 2010 pagesouthallknowhere....tracy parker asks any info regina bomb her gt aunt lived there...hers went to swindon as mine did..1950s job house......... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Feb-2011
    Re Dilloways appox 1979/80 i was going from Wrexham to Nottingham on A52 a truck in front turned off read on the Door P.W.Dilloways Derby loaded with contractors plant parts tried trace in Derby no joy.

  • Re: southall bombs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2011
    Actually, the bomb that dropped in South road on Barratts shoe shop in 1940 killed two young Purcell sisters. They had been to the Palace cinema (next door to Barratts shoe shop) and were probably sheltering from the rain. Michael Braden mentioned on this site that Dolly had been in his class at North road school, and later went on to Dormers Wells school, as he did.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
    yes pauline..my aunt doll teenager had been palace as they all did often..50s spoke of her lucky escape.the family were worried at home...would have shot off home down across broadway down grenford ave or alexandra rd to west ave home..newzealand zeta new has loads meories southall..but she has nicely put them on end comments several pages back....little time most to try read back pages..red only one day...

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
    would be good to have time..but time difficult...on google family history sources..local hist dept southall at ealing library...lists all they have ...includes..civilian war deaths southall 1939 to 45......gazette yrs..that would be interesting read....school records staff pupils log bks etc.....when money staff time expect all on google computer...but what 20/50 yrs perhaps.......kew archive and ... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 28-Feb-2011
    Dont know how many people were killed in Regina rd bombings. But remember playing on two bomb sites both sides of road, middle of top half Regina rd. which were completly flattend.approx 50 yds a side, all houses inc my own severly damaged. (on my first day at St Anselms school) I lived last but one house near Old Oak bridge. My next day at school was in Chippenham, for eight months.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    best wishes bob.thanks for that..down by hump bridge old oak pub..regina..there is a large triangle green on east side...down to the canal..pipes spikes going across the canal..and somebody has removed the iron plaque of 1790s on the bridge saying grand junction..no loco weight vehicles...my family there 1850s to 1928 to 1960 horse carts used old little lane northhyde then..gdad photo of old oak c... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
    Re Lady Marg. pub there are flats across the rd. does any body remember a run down builders yard over the back of the flats called Byfords 1940/50 had small rail skip trucks bits of railway track now built on old peoples houseing i think

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    denis waste ground side of lady marg rd..4 photos on our board of mums dads kids there coronation day fancy dress and stage bunting decorated....wikipedia southall..says shelters bunkers close or under schools...so lady marg school down by your flower beds of shelter..and at public buildings..sirens near police stations...wiki copies ealing council site..and type s....so if mistake just says death... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
    Talk of coronation day nobody seems to remember torch light walk up Lady Marg Rd in the evening. the waste ground speak off Denbigh rd now called Denbigh close

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    meant of course clifton rd school ...not costans of greenford....saw southall films yr ago,,,but 2 new youtube now...part 2...and 1..bill cook...used rds around gladstone rd see them on site.....old bell still on old white building wide approach for trucks scenery etc..over 100 staff..fred the carpenter..`1924 1936 burnt down.3hrs of flames...rebuilt...war used dance roller skate..film of people t... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
    also youtube there same page called crawling ..b/w scary sci fi etc....but louise ashcroft crawling eye is good..balloon eye on trolley..art form..she goes round brent rd ind est 2009..down western rd to prince wales feathers pub.southall green junction..red buses..she crosses rd...goes past new featherstone rd primary at busstop..fence pavement has war memorial feathers boys died names carved sol... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2011
    Where I lived was 186 Regina opposite the triangle green, which we always knew as the 'dump'even after it was levelled and grassed over.Yes I remember the cast plaque on the wall of the bridge, about 2'x 18".
    Your father was lucky to survive falling in canal at Old Oak Bridge, as i remember a lad of similar age from Regina rd,drowning under the pipe you mentioned. when he sunk to the bottom and ... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2011
    As young children we used to get clay from the banks of the canal by Old Oak bridge, to make moulds, pressing our lead toys etc, (planes and soldiers) into it to get impression, and then getting lead from bomb site melting it over a fire and pouring it into the mould,allowing to cool, and have a replica, cant see any of the little darlings of today being allowed to do that. And not a grown up in sight.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    bob so grateful info,,,nan moved in by oak pub 1914..6 kids 7th the baby died,,neighbours helped with delivery etc..number 13...so yes about 14 dwellings in all.......2 attached to pub her uncle jo wingrove lived 2 daughters......think the old dwellings .greenoaks flats replaced.when about 1950s..were bad very old.....nan had down to dirt stone floor one room black leading stove oven ......bedroom... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
    barrys relative in newzealand now family meads ran grocer shop on your corner,1900s.....what yr sully...bob....and similar yr colliers........photo used to hang many yrs over bar at oak pub of charabanc seaside easter trip 1926 ..regina rd and local men 30/40 of them in my copy of the photo....here on our boards,,,,,,nans old cottages now greenoaks...think communal..had tap in middle..of square pl... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    bob........the old dwellings next to oldoak pub..were..mt pleasant..nan moved in no13 1914...think they were 100yrs old labourers places then.....next to her mrs ayres old lady who helped deliver nans babies.....on easter pub trip old open top charabanc..my aunt knew all mens names..regina locals and 24 gordon rd etheringtons 3 generations 1900s to 1990 related.1926 photo jo dines..chidley..luck.a... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    bob some of our photos are easier on google....northhyde dock flickr photosharing and up it somes with 200 others.......usually other boards are enter password..opposite oak pub by hump bridge regina......30 boards photo in all

  • Re: southall bombs by John W (Member 10082501) on 7-Mar-2011
    My Father was born in Gordon Rd in 1907 but I don't know what the house number was. later they moved to 35 Waltham Rd.
    Doing a little family research,my gran was born in Bethnal Green and her fathers occupation is listed as Master Wood Carver. My Dads Father was born, Regents Park 1868. He served in the Cavalry in the late 1800s. We had a picture of him on his horse that ended up with my cousin. ... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
    we have that sort of thing in family,,items 1870 only one copy...ends up 2011 with somebody not really interested...at least now we can more easily do copies photos etc,,,,attach email to each other etc..show share them evenly in family....24 gordon our family lived 1900...francis etherington had baby iris born in hse 1924...3 daughters still there 1980s90s.........waltham ..my nans gdad family li... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
    Old oak Pub had large brick outside toilet to which was taken down and bar extended. also garden has gone , which also had access to Stratford Rd When did you live near Regina Rd. I was born in Regina rd in 39 left in 62 when i married a Williams rd girl,we moved to Harlington then to Yeading, then Swansea where we have lived for 34 yrs Glad to hear Swans are being looked after. they use... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
    gt info from you bob...took my aunt uncle back there 1979.....they were born mt pleasant next to oak pub..cnarabanc pub trip..the photo of all men threw them farthings as they were the kids...showed them photo of their dad by bar..over 30 local men 1926...bertha lloyd young woman there......1928 nan dad moved to west ave broadway.....we left there 1961 to yeading...walk across brookside football .... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
    so grateful to you bob potter info and pub and all..this is excellent unique site as we all say....no other town has such good members..who squeeze in time to contribute....potter...was 1870s brickfields and census etc brickfield owner manager ther...photos on our site before and after demolition dec 2009...library has kelly post office directories 1914 1937..my self a librarian over 40 yrs.....b... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
    lots photos harlington on our boards 1960back to 30s etc..my husbands dad and 1800s family feltham east bedfont.we married catholic church there of tony s school.....quarry and heathrow farm..3 magpies ..waggon horses pub turned into aerial hotel..lots local history books are great and in google longford etc so good....harlington and harmondsworth at my timberlake side of family tree agriculture m... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
    Thinking about toxic fumes at the Tube. In the early days of tube making they were made of lead, this was later changed to a process where the lead was covered in aluminium before extrusion.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
    yes thanks bob..1936 he died from there age 19.........ali toothpaste tubes....they were there such long time 1890 or so till late 70s or more.......in google inspector writes report on the tube...cant see how people put up with it...........beechams I worked brentford.library...and mcleans toothpaste there..........we used to have spare plain ali tubes of toothpaste from the labs........lucozade ... more >>

  • Re: southall bombs by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 9-Mar-2011
    What i meant, that the tubes were toxic because they were at first made of lead. then later lined with Ali,perhaps to make them safer.
    Lead being perhaps more toxic.

  • Re: southall bombs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
    yes always talk of toxic lead..and on google says when soldering lead 1936 times..long prolonged periods time......air extracter vents for fumes etc....not probably there...yet they had been a compnay since 1870 /1890 times....to close about 1980...whether it was piece work.....get as much done long hrs...get bit better in friday wage pkt..he was only 19...so glad of job to help his mum out.he was... more >>

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charlesworth`s by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 23-Feb-2011
My mother,born in 1898, had her photograph taken when she was a teenager when she was living in King Street. She told me that the photographer tried to take liberties with her. Could it have been Charlesworth ?   
  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    1914 janus charlesworth was at southall green...manor house parade I think about 4 or so shops....then another little parade shops..then that row all properties dominion side southall green......so if she went to along king st ...or round abit into southall green by manor hse....very posh photos...rumbold merrimen...was also along there 1904...seem posh area..studio photos....with their name signe... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    dear RON cox pauline...val jenkins born 1930went to tudor rd sch 1937 to 1940 remembers bomb dropped at school...lived berwick ave 1930 to 1949,,went to townsfield sch after 1940..worked hmv and fairey..on our short board

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    pauline organ music...paul martin of flog it bbc 2tv..goes around country...showed us 3 rd largest organ victorian st george hall corinthian huge columns fine building liverpool.1000s.school children go there to sing....occupies whole of one wall.7737 pipes...2nd largest is albert hall london ..largest organ is protestant liverpool cathedral .we went in there 15yrs ago.looking at all liverpool and... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Feb-2011
    I don't remember the bomb dropped on Tudor Road school, but Len mentioned it when we were discussing bombs in Southall. He said it was on 15 October 1940.

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    thats marvellous thanks pauline all the local hist bks we have all read and dont see things ..so precious that people put on site like these their wonderful knowledge..barry said it was kept quiet war...reported to town halls..paper sheets kept but under lock key..moral..........paul marin of flog it kind hearted he sent me video cassette 5yrs ago..southall alice cracknell embroidery stitches samp... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    the other southall site are looking at pathe mayor opens southall hospital...yr since I saw it..so looked again...extrememly good...huge crowds with row of like australia hat mounties canada type hats..guard honour..in front of crowd..1stwwar famous australia amputees hospital by australia nurses there..opening new southall norwood hosp ceremony,brit pathe news reel free..in google......alderman s... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Feb-2011
    Before reading the earlier discussions on bombs dropped on Southall I had always thought that the only bomb that was dropped pn Southall during WWWII was the one that dropped on my grandmother, Ellen Mary Millard's house at 158 Regina Rd killing her & wounding my grandfather. The person that told me it was the only bomb was a guy I met out here in Australia called Tony Wakelin who had lived in Hammond Rd.

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    sincerely sorry about your gran ellen..think every person southall in old days heard of regina rd deaths..was so very sad....probably some others were cluster inceduary..or such like..greenford grammar top lady marg rd the kids put out with water anything dropped nazis in area of northolt airport..southall pk bomb...hanwell asylum..aerial map on our photoboards shows nazi pilots map of aec they wa... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Feb-2011
    Hi Fred. I think the Paperback book "Ealing, Acton & Southall At War" by Dennis Upton ISBN 978 O 7524 4954 8 will give you most of the information you need on the bombs dropped in Southall, etc. A lot of us on this Site already had the book recommended to us. It has the Regina road bombing there on 30th August 1944. I am so sorry about your Gran. Best wishes.

  • Re: charlesworth`s by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Feb-2011
    Hi Fred i have a length of silk parchute cord from a land mine that came down in Lady Margaret road, there were quite a few bombs came down on Southall inc. a V1 and V2 in Hayes.

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    the wikipedia on google for southall history in a nutshell...tends to just give outline...and only says deaths....so they have regina rd there as several..so bad it was.....but do not mention the 2 young ladies at shoe shop next to palace.....others not deaths less recorded.....unexploded ones thankfully as well......wardens job to record all for town hall and government but morale kept it locked ... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
    BOARD28@yahoo.com PHOTOS >>NEW ONE TODAY THERE from .les kath nelhams on their visit to sydney australia 1988...north rd people spoke of the family didnt they...thanks.best wishes..and somebody said branch related to adam faith of nelhams pop singer

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Feb-2011
    Thank you Pauline & Yvonne for your sympathy. I've just ordered the book from Amazon. The date certainly seems right because Mum & Dad nearly put their wedding off (20th Sept) because of the bomb but my Grandfather insisted it go ahead. I can't wait to show Mum & Dad the book. Incidently the house was rebuilt & ready for me to be born into (via Hillingdon Hospital)in 1950. The woman who owned the ... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
    best wishes fred..could be st johns wedding as being local...my cousin married there another baptised there,.snap my husband with you same time being born hillingdon maternity..myself couple mths before...they called us all the after war babies men home from war..ours dads home from army italy../the other good book is by local librarian jonathan oates lots photos in it..called southall images of e... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 24-Feb-2011
    I didn't realise the number of bombs dropped on Southall, as the only one I knew about was the one that landed in Southall Park and made a great big crater. I lived in Shrubbery Road, and it brought our ceilings down and broke the windows. Everyone just got on with it and cleared up their own mess. Luckily we were in our Anderson shelter in the garden, but I remembert my Mum saying she thought it ... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Feb-2011
    Phyl-living in North Road, we were also affected by that V1. The ceiling was brought in on my bed-we were downstairs in the Morrison Shelter!

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Feb-2011
    I remember the night in July 1944 when the bomb dropped on Southall Park. My brother and I were in the Anderson shelter in our back garden of Northcote Avenue on our own - our minder couldn't look after us that night, and my dad was at the AEC on night work, and my mother was convalescing. It was a very bright night, and when the bomb dropped all the dirt in the garden which backed on to ours flew... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 24-Feb-2011
    the night the bomb fell in southall park ,My gran and i were in bed in the middle room downstairs. i remember it going over the noise was frigtening them explosion . Myparents were upstairs in bed mum went to run downstairs to us, dad stopped her just as well as the blast blew the top windows in she would have been blowen down the stairs , the dressing table was cover in bricks and glass from the... more >>

  • Re: charlesworth`s by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
    best wishes sheila,,,gdad a builder...made their shelter garden by kitchen door..insisted they all go down it.but he never did hitler wasnt going to get him out of his upstairs bed,,,ha..born 1890 northhyde they lived through 2 wars

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Charlesworth's Photographers Southall by Hannah (Member 10258318) on 21-Feb-2011
I have found some old family photographs in searching for ancestors and am looking for some information on the Charlesworth's Photographers in Southall. I may be able to find out the approximate dates of births of the people in the photo if I can find out when the photography shop was there in Southall. Can anyone help me?
My email is hani_morris@hotmail.com if anyone could give me some informati... more >>
  
  • Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
    it was there at southall green 1914.....post office directory in library and record offices.1914.one..they came out every couple yrs..........one free on line for southal is 1914...........in google......historical directories........location southall........alphabetical...under c.........trades shops......also alphabetical.names.residents....also alphabetical..streets who living at each number i... more >>

  • Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
    janes charlesworth number 4 manor hse parade east side...1914.......so by the being refurbished famous manor house..down old southall at southall green...famous photographer there in 1905 was merriman rumbold ...1901 1911 census would have your relative..once every 10 yrs names street occupation family names in the house.......death record says where they lived died..baptism record .birth record m... more >>

  • Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
    you may want to put names people and surnames maiden names....on this site.if memories......using southallgreen studio not only southall green people we have photo people who lived at dawley hayes..using photography studio there..........and 1stwwar photo.of that studio.........my relatives lived northhyde we have their 1stwar photos groups wife kids he in uniform.studio photos....

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