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• Re: YVONNE - RE:OUR SITE ON FLIKR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010
  ok chris quick easy once used to it 20 photos...in left side address....type www.flickr.com.........enter underneath shows so click that.........up comes word sign in top right corner....click it.......in ID type..southallboard@yahoo.co.uk......underneath password type middlesex........click sign in........up come phots or just click the squarefacephotos...let us know if no luck..best wishes

• Re: YVONNE - RE:OUR SITE ON FLIKR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010
  chris my husband on twitter just got california new yr parade.wonderful...live..we have nice one whithall london parliament sq.lots american march bands come london for it..typed rose bowl parade pasedina.72 degrees.stadium road..ohio marching band huge floats

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Dec-2009
  happy new yr chris and everybody ..our site photos on flickr..have some more to go on tomorrow..any southall etc photos please put on our fickr southall board thanks

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Dec-2009
  JOSIE uncle.thanks let me know 6mths ago memorial in front school..just managed get there..extremely good.school only replied once said moving.but josie told me they had not lost it...my hahnenfeld f...centre colomn..W Neal W H Neale R Neill. ..e a meads...h timberlake j west c cooke f warren f luck w s jenkins ca purcell.rolph.two snellings.r preedy.they were of allendale rd..names known..1st
  w war about 70 names.old scolars it says featherston rd boys//now in front of primary nursery school western rd site.stone high with soldier carved on top.think couple staff on it...any photo maps diagrams anybody else put on our flickr with these photos tomorrow..thanks.
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 31-Dec-2009
  HAPPY NEW YEAR one and all

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by John W (Member 10082501) on 31-Dec-2009
  Happy New year from San Francisco.
  
  Ex Southall, Heston and Hayes resident. 1937 to 1967.
  
  Schools; Featherstone primary, Norwood Green primary, Heston Scondary and Southa
  ll Tech.
  
  AEC Southall
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Dec-2009
  hap new tr john w..america and to DAVO sydney new south wales australia..saw your fireworks on tv again.wonderful..our bridge though..ha..the famous like newcastle on tyne iron english made what 1920s about..sydney harbour bridge I was there and trip around harbour jan 1970.my cousin 10 pound pom 1958 sydney.loves it worked for sony till retire

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Len Goddard (Member 10234853) on 31-Dec-2009
  Happy 2010 to all old Southallians

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jan-2010
  A VERY HAPPY AND PEACEFUL NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE ON THIS WONDERFUL SOUTHALL KNOWHERE SITE.

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010
  happy new yr pauline and all.2010 so we were at lynch gate heston took photos..willsend to len email and he forwards emails.click attachment up pops good photos,,1490 lynch restored 1974 plaque says by generousity heston residents and college..may our family photos bride at lynch...if you remember walking passed old bridge house at start wentworth northyde bridge it went week before xmas..1800s br
  ickfield owner.if you know anything of it 1950s.perhaps even derelict then.1810 map on our flickr site shows all northyde parish heston stretching up to southall green with southall rec and all land down from southall green and manor hse as common land graze animals.all land from canal south to cranford lane all open fields,,new grand junction canal cutting through the common graze land there.only couple dwellings northhyde at new north star pub..farmhouse probably.parish district norwood sweeping round at the green and all areas north of southall green
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Jan-2010
  
  May I add my best wishes for 2010 to you all on this terrific site-long may it perpetuate!

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jan-2010
  I'm afraid I can't help you with the bridge house, Yvonne. I was only at North Hyde Lane for 18 months - from late August 1952 - March 1954. I don't even remember the old house. All I can remember is that some time during the period I lived there, there was some demolition going on right at the end of Wentworth road before the bridge. I remember saying to my mother that they had knocked all the trees down.

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010
  thanks pauline demolition end wentworth was that east or west....east end if the northyde bridgeold oak pub........this bridge has victorian bridge house on the slope bridge at east end wentworth..lots thick tall big trees and growth..demolished week before xmas 09////was brickfields owner house 1881 onwards.......thick trees high wall you would not notice it going by.....the wide long green runs
  down from it to old north star 1952 to 54 with cottages southerly victorian brickies dwellings running down from OLD north star.....sweet shop 1920s was next to pub..perhaps you noticed any of it all...barry and my family places..we both had landlords atv the pub.took great photos dec 09 of heston and church and lynch such good quality.will email couple to len he is able pass on email to you..my family loads brides at lynch .in 20th century photos...1952 to 1953 west end of wentworth they were demolishing orphanage old barracks buildings.probably high trees as meets western ave there....1952 the big tall soldier statue stone statue cenotaph of orphan boys names 26 and 3 with medals..labourers must have smashed it to rubble by mistake.disappeared disgracefully...all have complained....was in the victorian orphanage grounds at north bit of rd by wentworth and western ave,corner southall lane..1950s later the aeradio BA offices built there instead....thanks happy new yr
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jan-2010
  As I got off the bus from Hayes and walked the length of Wentworth road that was where the demolition was taking place on the corner, just before the lttle bridge and before I walked to North Hyde Lane.

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jan-2010
  yes thats west end of wentworth rd..so you saw lot of what we have been going on about....orphanage parade ground got demolished 1952,,,it was the old army barracks before 1854 when catholic brothers bought it.then 1901 catholic nuns called convent orphanage.left 1935 derelict 15yrs..BA wanted it so demolish 1952 and aeradio hse built of 3 site members who worked there 1960....at top corner gettin
  g off bus big trees but was large tall cenotaph to orphan boys soliers 1stw war 26 names 3 with medals..labourers wrongly smashed down must have..so heston front church cenotaph should have added their names.........latest demolish xmas 09....is victorian hse of brickfirld owner..towards end of your walk..end of wentworth rd east end...at this bridge of old oak pub regina rd ahead...but southerly you would here walk from finish wentworth rd round all curving bend lane of northhyde lane ..thankyou pauline...site member lived wentworth rd played over the mounds..he knew orchard back of orphanage....help
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jan-2010
  saw at xmas 105 bus goes over that hill bend at your getting off bus stop........photos of all going on our flickr southall each week.some nice ones you to see pauline........dormers school secondary site..has 1953.girls hiawatha on huge stage we had there..and huge back stage room for doing costumes make up..big black full grand piano..did gilbert sulivan 1960.....photos from pam sringer 1953 tim
  es all ages on stage..know your sister sport but if she knows any of the 20 on stage..zooms up close face wih up arrow right hand side of our keyboards..sunny but ice cold again lovely bright sky
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• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by josie (Member 10235627) on 2-Jan-2010
  Hello Yvonne wishing you and everyone on here a healthy and happy 2010,glad you got to see memorial (Western Rd)W Neal was my great uncle killed on the last day of the war by german sniper,and just to say thanks for your great input to SMB.Preedy family lived in Allendale Ave a few doors away from your relative.best wishes Josie.

• Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jan-2010
  lots love to you josie yes terry preedy his mum we knew before moved to milt keynes..tony I stood fence took 6 photos memorial xmas..will put 2 on flickr....try southall flickr is good.....yr gt uncle...if your uncles father or another one of you neal brotheres fel we know you all now up by allemby and down by southall brick factory....took photos n green plough garden big lots seats....barry is g
  oing to fete.local hist soc man with all his lovely archive ..will bring mine...my cousin father blown up last day war arras 1918.no body.so just name arras memorial and uxbridge church says men of war.......he was wounded couple mths before...hosp..then sent bak out front line...was publican northhyde north star pub 1913 1914 uxbridge pub like the 4 brothers cracknell all publicans..joined up 4 yrs..all died.....you were the only one to tell me where memorial moved to..stupid schhol never replied properly to me lots love from tony yvonne happy new yr.dots nephew northolt doing family tree spending days sending email info to him ..ha
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• Re: maps by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  click twice on our flickr....full size screen enlarge...only the common tow path..there.not roads only a track down to north star pub and cottages....road starts northhyde.but 1881 census says called north star rd here.....my aunt said farm behind..can see open fields......fed london all the market gardening...whole is parish heston northyde cranford and isleworth...county boundary dots down river
  thames......norwood... hayes.uxbridge ditrict.is whole area north of canal...only southallgreen and farms st johns parish exsisted
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• Re: maps by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  2nd entry for solus car repair shows better location map..it is north hyde house.northhyde wharf at canal road bridge western rd.which goes into bulls bridge rd and off to bulls....so 1881 the wharfinger northhyde wharf owner tom curnock...is here at bridge house here on census..brent rd comes done to it all factories cargo there for wharf..............so john reed brickfield owner of next bridge
  house is the derelict pulled down victorian house 100yrsand more brickmaking 202 canal bridge and house in 1881..clay from all out back quarry holes areas east side heston airport area......cannot see victoria dock was that part of adelaide keith...
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• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  flickr heston airport.....has nice photos heathrow airport planes captain flynn...doug arnold mosquito..bea argos boac..etc..aerial picture heston shows construct m4 1964..wentworth rd and convent way... quarries

• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  barry think you put 2 photos on flickr lovely all those bikes at fence and rest day on grass...canal spur up to your derelict hse on our flickr now

• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  2nd good photo put on flickr today by tony....huge aerial m4 being built 1964...along through heston airport area.....so see wentworth convent way quarries etc.......hanwell site is sad today 2010 feel nobody use site dying site..had many at their height.reunions and photos refreshments..etc....but if several generations join in it would keep going and be so interesting..hope people add any thing
  anything at all.surprising often interests people through 2010...makes local history nostalgia booklet in itself
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• Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009
  l have an official Grand Union Canal map from the days when my Dad worked on the Grand Union (up to about 1970). lt names ALL the wharves and docks then in use OR potentially still usable. Heading FROM Brentford (where there are several named users), there is nothing more until "Lock 90 Norwood Top" lmmeditely afterwards is the Quaker Oats Dock, followed by Adelaide Dock then Victoria Dock
  . Then approaching Bulls Bridge there are 2 x unnamed docks on the Heston side of the towpath, unnamed meant that they were "out of use" Then we get to Bulls Bridge and a dock marked "GWR sleeper depot" From then on there are too many names to mention, many now forgotten such as Dawley dock, Stockley Dock, Liddells Dock, Bentic dock & Onslow Mills etc all before the "Slough Cut" and "Cowley Wharf"
  
  l suspect this is pre-1948 Nationalisation as it shews (using the "e") the then independent canal companies such as the Oxford Canal and the Kennet & Avon. ls this of interest??
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• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  thanks keith..2 un named out use on heston side...that would be north hyde heston parish.....northhyde bridge 202 before bulls bridge....yes the huge northhyde brickfields stretched across..census has all the brickmakers of area...1854 cart horse took bricks to dealers from there....canal and spur there load bricks....but filled in .my aunt lived by oak tree pub played over mounds 1920s.......hand
  made bricks of the northyde victorian clamps decline....barry has the bridge house there pulled down xmas census brickfield owner lived there 1881........house sits on side of northhyde canal bridge 202......turning well widening is just there....wharfinger owner of wharfdock northhyde bridge house 1881 is tom curnock uxbridge reg district.census.norwood.....quote the free 1881 entry......brickfield owner at the 202 bridge house.....toll house of canal at norwood general district area...and boatyard norwood 1881 census...if take details of your map to library or london archive hope to get photocopy of their copy...just need canal northhyde photocopy..or scan put on our flickr site.....good map keith thanks
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• Re: o/s map by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 30-Dec-2009
  Yes Keith there were quite a few docks along the canal between Bulls Bridge and Dawley another was Maynards Dock. Iknow when I were a lad many moons ago used to play along the canal,don't know what the name of it was but Harrisons the Printers had their own dock, rememember seeing all the drums of ink/dys stacked there. I had an uncle who worked for Horsley Smiths Timber (later Hewetsons flooring)
  they had a wharf on the north west side of the Woolpack bridge, do you know the huge steel tying rings are still there in the concrete. My grandfather used to take me along to see the horses pulling the barges full of timber. I recall back along near Bulls Bridge BW had a dry dock ? ifI rembember rightly along near where Tesco now is.
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• Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009
  Other named docks are Shackles Dock, Printing House Dock and Wilshins Dock. Brick Works Dock is on the Regents Canal Arm twixt Yeading and West End (Northolt) Otter Dock is marked as being for exclusive use of Rickmansworth & Uxbridge Valley Water Co
  
  Durdans Dock is at Yeading Also very many canal using factories are named such as Lyons, and H J Heinz at Park Royal

• Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009
  Barry
  
  Can see no reference to Maynards Dock, nor Harrisons Printers

• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  the barges along spikes bridge were high with long huge timbers.I remember and probably pauline does..taylor woodrow wood sheds all along///think the 1881 norwood census means whole southall area termed norwood..says 1881 northyde norwood bridge hse wharfinger dock owner curnock..may mean historic adelade dock..so northhye canal and norwood corect..so they must have had bridge hse there..their dwe
  lling at 1881 census old victorian hse....so derelict one is john reed brickfields owner 1881at our bridge 202 ...google says wharfinger also coal merchant wharf owner..aunt said huge coal depot along there for brickfields...
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• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  harrison...probably printing house lane dock....dad as teenager started work there for short while bike through all traffic of hayes..about 1937..ink barrels...printing ancient place there goes back many yrs

• Re: o/s map by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 31-Dec-2009
  Hi Keith;-have attached a quote from my good friend Terry White (President of Hayes & Harlington History Soiety) 's book The History of Dawley. This is a wonderful descriptive book, he worked on it for about 25 years !;-Brickmaking at Dawley led to the construction of a number of canal docks. The earliest of these were Maynard's, north of the canal in roughly the middle of the estate, (the Maynard
  family were brick & gravel merchants).and Odell's dock south of the canal and close to the 'Pigeon House'. The so-called Dawley dock was actually well outside the Dawley boundary, in Yiewsley, north of the canal. (Maynard's dock had been, however, renamed as 'Dawley Dock' on a conveyance map in 1948) One of the longest canal docks in the whole area, Pocock's (or Broad's) was just outside the west boundary of Dawley, south of the canal. This served the Stockley Brick Works, although only a small area of brick earth for it was taken from Dawley. There was also a small dock, apparently unnamed, on the south side of the canal in Dawley, facing Maynard's dock on the north side. This was there at least by 1865 It was joined by another small dock, further east, at a later date.I will post a section of map on flickr showing Harrisons Printers Dock and another dock further along which appears to have served the 'X' Chair in Silverdale Road. By the way if you would like a copy of Terry White's book let me know and I will send you the details.
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• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Dec-2009
  keith photos go on flickr tomorrow for all...2010..turning well northhyde bridge 202. opposite old oak pub...as you say 2 docks on heston side northhyde.1800s 1900s again for brickmaking like dawley/arrive coal take away clay made bricks..etc..bricks stopped there filled in docks 2 roads built through there wentworth..and took photos convent way today..whole dock spur canal loop around there..larg
  e blocks of council estate....tall flats etc lay back and group around all along there..heston airport ground in front golflinks
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• Re: o/s map by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-May-2010
  For many years there was a steam crane on a length railway track a the side of of Durdens dock untill late 50/60.

• Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2010
  was it to do with taylor woodrow....all length spikes to ruislip rd...long stretches long planks wood piled onto barges...kept side in wood covered sheds...marina opposite durdons area over in willowtree bankside...durdons used to be brickfields.....think durdons got renamed king george park......path back goes into tow path canal....to ruisip rd bridge hd office woodrow gone and statue heavy work
  ing men gone...residential flats now
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  family trees back on bbc2.nigella lawson cook..grandfather of 1887 lyons of greenford.nippies and corner houses ealing etc..piccadily circus corner now planet hollywood...he was army catering went to liberated belson to try advise gentle intro to nourish food......marg thatcher worked lyons her chemistry degree.... employed nigel lawson as chancellor yrs later....jewish they lived north london.p m
  ccartney next door screaming girls climbed over their wall....lyons have archive of nippies their uniform .etc
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• Re: sport..local people by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 28-Dec-2009
  Hi Yvonne & co;-
  Need a bit of help here, have just noticed they have pulled down an old house at the end of North Hyde Lane junction with Wentworth Rd. just as you go over the hump back bridge near the Oak Tree Pub. It appears to have been a quite old house, probably now under Hounslow Borough, backed onto the canal. Can't find anything under planning. I know it had stood empty for years. Any on
  e know what it used to be ? perhaps Len may know.
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  right there at bridge.had wood all around boarded up for yrs derelict..saw it still same yr ago..so gone now..wonder what they are going to do with land....bridge hse what was it on census...there was coal depot there etc..house probably to do with activity at canal there..was dock areas 1800s.. bridge..think it was probably 1800 building...somebody in charge of something there busy area at its he
  ight,,,my aunt family lived opposite she did mention it...that was 30yrs ago when got her talking abit...must have been on census just comes into parish heston 1800s 1900s..thanks info
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  northhyde lane not on kellys directory on line 1914..because just at bridge it is no longer southall.kellys...wentworth rd we have site member lived there 1950s and pauline around that time down northhyde..anybody know how the old building was then,,,,think it has been derelict since 1970s when I have been along there a few times since then...my aunt lived next old oak 1914 to 1927 knew all places
  people around there..too late to ask..she called it all the depot..bridge hse..couple farms landowners she had along there.fentons etc..
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  on....maps google street view..5yrs ago hot summer day scorched grass van filming..red white boards all around..huge piece land old boared up house inside....boarded so many yrs..empty donkeys yrs..huge trees all in it..so must be last 6mths or so that it has been demolished ..expect they have got rid of all the overgrown growth green as well..wonder if flats but so near bridge and water edge....
  bridge is on ealings conservation protection order for maintenance..regina rd starts other side bridge going north.....always been there small windows 1800s house.was part of the industry at canal bridge there busy...KEITH your dad of canal do you know of old house at canal bridge there and other site gentleman who had relative at bulls bridge cottage DO YOU KNOW..thanks
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  google has tom curnack...bridge hse northhyde....has him as gentleman occupation his daughter born there 1871..emma.....couple of tom curnack before him intered st johns which is just up rd from the bridge regina rd and at southall green..he died 1853 registered northhyde norwood hayes middx..well that whole area early 1800s norwood covered it all and norwood was precinct hayes registering.....goo
  gle street map photo shows it as huge lots windows old 1800s bricks..huge lots big trees.overgrown..but right on bridge sits the house at canal edge...gentleman says he originated from marylebone london gent... wonder.the man in charge overseer...all trade there at busy canal..big coal depot there my aunt said...massive amount coal for brick making just along from house..the orphans would have known of hse...
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  the first tom curnock is b 1775 died 1853 northhyde.. tom born 1818married bloomsbury so london gentry.died 1884 northhyde..so if owner of it all the trade there..gentleman who had his managers....1853 tom curnock died 1854 his will..wharfinger northhyde.....these curnocks of bridge hse.now live wembly born 2007 and 1954 born horsham sussex..with 1974 born there

• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009
  curnack .one was gentleman as occupation. married bloomsbury ..marylebone.,,,the other was down as wharfinger....1790 to 1900 northhyde...the bridge house....owner of the wharf dock..responsible for the delivery cargoes goods value of...docks filled in at turning well canal just there....the mounds we all know of as playing in more recent yrs...after docks filled in....wealthy man left his will.
  ...his office in the big house....accounts commerce...great deal of coal arrived there depot for brick clamp huge firings ...1800s would be the army ordinance ammunition had their barracks further along but docks all along.as at northhyde bridge number 202 .wolf bridge 203.adelaide dock between was boat builder repairs yard.....seems the bridge hse went bust left derelict to the council....decline canal because rail and rds..so curnock must have gone bankrupt perhaps.empty there for so many yrs.....I wrote to council and library last yr about such extreme length of derelict...so at last action...1887 farmhse listed building polish war memorial think bats and foxes in..extreme derelict many many yrs but never going to do anything
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• Re: sport..local people by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 29-Dec-2009
  Hi Yvonne;-this all helps tremendously, they actually demolished the house the week before Christmas. Went over and had a look on Sunday, the building itself has all been taken away, all the undergrowth and trees are still there. To the left (Wentworth Rd side) is a huge depression in the ground, wonder if sometime it was a pond or something. So obviously as you say this house was something to do
  with the canal trade. Did the address come under Wentworth Rd. or North Hyde Lane ? presume originally would not have been Wentworth as the road was not built then. many thanks.
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  yes think northhyde lane and it is northhyde the bridge..the house and grounds are on the slope up to the bridge..most of the house itself longer facing northhyde lane..the south side house is shorter at wentworth.only mainly the huge grounds going down as far corner wentworth..massive trees..owner wealthy..a man of own means.. gentleman 1800s.and his son geneology says wharfinger owner of wharf d
  ocks..house and office inside.as house goes right down slope to canal edge.....high responsibilty value cargoe delivery..lots pilfering ref old bailey court cases on google.poor people .off back lorry as term today used....thanks know this last week gone.I wrote asking about its history and think 30 yrs at least derelict.wrote this last yr so that is coincidence..old oak pub would have known its use..google street map so clear windows etc...hole wonder if was a well or cess pit....if not connected to 1930s modern sewage pipes... that costs massive money to pay for...fishers owned big hse springwell at cranford lane..my gt aunt was housekeeper..her huge family he sold place to her as cheaper as he could to her.....but the sons spent whole life bachelors paying for new rates and sewage pipes etc to be put in 1940s..1800s hse huge grounds.....
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  JOSIE DO you or uncle know about house at bridge northhyde opposite old oak tree pub..uncle and family like mine 1900s 1800s brickmaking...think it was bridge house owned 1800s by wharf docks owner tom curnock.. there at turning well canal.cargoes.narrow boats full coal for brick clamps..5 days huge smoke high temperature 1000s bricks....loaded go to paddington build up london..dock there had fis
  h cargo my aunt and brother earned penny before school western rd to wash fish barrow.help nan food money..derelict boarded up over 30 yrs pulled down just before xmas.huge trees in grounds..does your uncle know it.it sits right at bridge northhyde lane opposite raleigh rd..thanks best wishes happy new yr
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  g twyman would probably know postcode is southall there .he shows as attend meetings old property development as with n green..he must know something of history northhyde and brickmaking there as was also famous for it at n green..southall borough ealing.old bailey google trial.james ellis of northhyde bricks 1853..edward westbrook said they had his mark on them.he had made them at his last sessio
  n northyde..500 loaded cart and horse 5am to lampton....so thats the old track lane northhyde bending round fern lane and down to lampton...tony went to springgrove grammer lampton..........westbrook calls it heston so hounslow council have probably sold it for development big red white boards this last 5yrs....anyway southall did not exsist as such then.southall green farms.rest all called norwood then as far as dormers wells huge norwood area....westwood says 36300000 bricks he was selling to other dealers from portion of clamp....it is farrell dealer who has had his cart load stolen......says clamp.....so suspect that huge green that they have decided not to build on might be the clamp..on tv victorians shows it as rectangle.....piled in coal..clay mould each brick hand made layed around outside in clamp..massive coal in middle 5 days fire.....over back at was heston airport quarry pits etc wonder if clay taken off in well over 100yrs brick making......the pubs and the brewers often owned some of the brickfields..beer to keep the hot labourers working.and wages payed to foremans at the old north star pub was there......women children lodgers at cottages all helped...narrow boats high with cargoe..bricks loaded up to bridge and docks there just by this derelict house....he is most important man like on the thames or down the ports at the coast..in charge of the massive value and costs of all deliveries..etc......wonder if high trees to keep his house private from rough labourers and massive smoke soot of brick clamps if 2 of them there or more..oates ealing lib may know or hounsl lib..thanks you found it gone,,,barry.happy new yr
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  huge depression in ground..did you take photo..would be back of his house south side corner by wentworth..perhaps a well...or cess pit...sewage pipes of council 1930s would not be this old 1800s house....first curnock wharf docks owner was 1790s..when paddington arm first opened coming down to bulls bridge...curnock is man of his own means .gentleman..heir..inherited money.marylebone...so may well
  have come to new enterprise from marylebone paddington brought family to booming bulls bridge and northhyde commerce.......tom curnock son is called 1850s wharfinger bridge house northhyde...owner of the wharfdocks..hence your big hse and grounds there and trees.....202 brdge is old oak tree and northhyde..good photos on foxs walks and bike on google.all bridges along....and 1801 opening pictures paddington extrememly good on google with packet boat trips pictures....207 bus going along and canal bridge..hump bridge iver lane cowley 201 .188 bridges....3 white cottages bulls bridge photos on foxs...1881 free census on find past but cannot get key word to it....northhyde lane..need key words to get census of the bridge house at bridge..have emailed them but no reply.....maps of convent way show the curious shapes of docks wharf..as it goes paralel with wentworth...so this old house to the east of row of dock shapes curves shapes at all maps of convent way curves there....cannot find proof of kilns at northhyde only says clamps which were more old fashioned had some black coal scorched bricks used for labourers dwellings...fine perfect bricks came out of later kilns...wonder if kilns at norwood green norwood brickmaking so famous for good quality bricks buck palace and fine houses built up west london.. london
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  just found my photos took couple yr ago..good of old house boarded windows..tony put on flickr

• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  to all and barry lawrence keith and wentworth rd site member and pauline...hap new yr gift dozen photos colour on flickr..sept 2005 ..lawrence the airlinks site now at heston airport..sports and lloyd centre.hanger design buildings.....southall rec and new flats next door..was old hovels labourers dwellings one tap in centre ...1914 and 1800s to 1927 evacuated....nan gave birth 5 babies there next
  door helped her...old oak pub tony at side door.front door on canal bricked up...bridge..click close up read....bridge hse boarded up..have some of northhyde lane older houses as well pauline....and 2005 cranford pk church a wedding at lynch gate and stables etc and museum models photos of description boards......later put more on flickr....google maps street view has excellent photos of 2005 or 2006 white red boarded up derelict bridge hse at bridge northhyde
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  have found demolished bridge hse 1881 census.....free 1881find past.....just put in heston...only heston..up came all rds cottages etc heston parish 1881.....census 501 bridge hse heston northyde....reed john age 38 manager brickfield..born hillingdon..wife born paddington..so she came down canal.....brickfield house 1881 burr born northyde he and wife both clerks......have 6 pages written out loa
  ds all northhyde etc etc.....north star pub and northstar row...that little bit was called north star rd in 1881...barrack row 1881 which came out of orphanage...... .priest at one....old gas factory northhyde...yes gt uncle jim worked there 1881......ordinance cotages along there 3 places ordinance....barry 1881 birch horace b 1853 gen lab wife jane b heston will eliz eliza..northyde road heston.....they call it both lane rd..2 tentlow on 1881 diferent spellings heston
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  so google says curnock bridge hse wharfinger early 1800s owner managing the wharf docks canal..1881 38 yrs old and family there brickfield manager john reed...all in area brickfields people grown huge build up all houses...crowds moving in for factories transport etc..barry your.....huge dip in his grounds near start of wentworth rd side..would not be a kiln...some bricks fired there.wonder....185
  4 old bailey says clamps flat rectangular large squared off place..piled middle huge coal..fired along there for 100.000s of bricks..500 at time horse carts taken 5am to dealers buying them...barrack row from orphanage we have farrier horses of carts and canal////ordinance cottage we have roman catholic priest living..along there all at 1881...no convent way...must be 1940s convent way which changed its name from barrack row as orphan put on diagram..then wentworth seems by 1950s......old gas works along there 1881...heat of gas..gas lights....brentford high st at river had old gas works 1900..jam factory along there at river boiling jam
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• Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
  just found st mary on free find past census 1881..as barry said 600 at its height..several 100 1881.from surrey east london kent middx..where all boys slept cramped in.....superintendent mafart belgium.most staff belgium irish catholics...but census calls it hounslow street north hyde heston.....was tentlow rd...but he calls it this...ha.....rg11 1340 ..91 folio..sched 688....haydealer at milita
  ry rd heston..parish heston.district isleworth..duke york pub nelson pub british lion house...wellington rd heston sutton with all pubs get loads pubs down south by hounslow
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• Re: The Martinware BOOK by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Dec-2009
  thats lovely.it is haslam mentioned on google..the photos of their chess pieces look good in ceramics display v and a museum..lovely xmas present.nice of anita.best wishes

• Re: Merry Christmas by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Dec-2009
  
  Thanks Vince for espressing so well the thoughts of so many of us. A Happy Christmas and 2010 to you and yours

• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  well done..I saw collection in pitzhanger 8 or so yrs ago..dont know if before robbery or not..google says they took it away safety.dont know if back to give secure building .wrote but know reply.....200 items were given by one man..a friend admirer of martin..his family bequeth...richmond pk on kingston..often photo in national press...express with snow had lovely photo few days ago deer snow....
  I have my photo as screen saver...2 deer antlers close to me lovely big eyes looking..beautiful animals..yet in new forest so lucky if see them..only regular feed area and go in the hide..couple flock red and fallow.shy .....but richmond of henry 8th lots large herds....kingston had bentalls like ealing broadway..richmond shops couple stops on bus lovely library tourist info shop and wh smith lots local hist bks..whats yours called and author..hap new yr
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• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  anita keith best wishes for holiday..one book on google..published by haslam hbk..martin brothers 1978..£48..complete history and production.illustrated..40 pgs..40 b/w and 8 colour plates....southall library has 800 pieces.1877 to 1907..sat to 5pm....osterl pk rd..just going east at war memorial.north side of manor hse and gardens.....1890 building library victorian elaborate front..southall lib
  rary carved reddish huge letters over door....RICKY says RAY at manor hse has people look around 1500s listed tudor building..sept weekend it is open tour also.RAY born bred havelock rd nearby all his life
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• Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009
  Hi Yvonne-Keith;-I have a small paperback book, which you obviously know about, 'The Martin Brothers-The Southall Potters 1877-1923' It's 43 pages and was published by Southall Local History Society in 1995 by George Twyman. I think it was he that gave me this. If anyone wants his address let me know.

• Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009
  Have just put a pic of the front cover on the Flickr site for you.

• Re: More Martinware news by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Dec-2009
  The Martinware book Anita has bought for me for Christmas is a large one with hard cover. l am not allowed to see it until Christmas but will give you details of it afterwards. l will be back on line on 26th or 27th. > > > l did hear the museum attendant say it was the only copy they had, and that they had had it in stock for some time.

• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  thanks yes please address.thanks photo..martin brothers knew burslam potters says google..my sarah timberlake who broutht my nan up .mothers sister..husband born burslam ..potter..his mother mary painter pottery buslem...demob army 1881 india..at hounsl barracks marr local girl gt aunt sarah.lived crannf lane..worked martin brothers..william walter wallbanks died xmas 1912 buried jan 1913 heston c
  hurch.receipt 13/6 paid vicar.we have his army bks..birth reg wolstanton.1850..the smoke thick potteries stoke trent..we went good museums and bottletype kiln gladwin,,,and huge museum wedgwood great see them paint plates and gold edge demos.will walt brought wedd presents home from burslem huge blue white plates dishes displayed on old cottage dresser.one still in family with ann.cousin
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• Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009
  Will send you George's address etc. on you e.mails-Barry

• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  thanks barry..so good of you photo book....keith our photo site is lovely now about 9 photos or more..room for 100s.....easy....www.flickr.com.........type that in www.place left...click enter which shows by it.......then click top right word.. sign in.....put southallboard@yahoo.co.uk.....password middlesex.....then click sign in..........up come photos.....click then click allsizeslarge and seve
  ral full screen size..photo looks like wallace the eldest think leader.sculpture.and figurerer of wally bird and grotesques..they say he modelled faces on his own..looks poss ..HA..beard cloth fur hat overall.1890s..book 1872 to 1923 martin brothers......4 of them then buried havelock .a son tried to paint piles of left over face jugs etc selling them 1923 but went out of business..he signed his robert martin.less valuable
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• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  martin in photo is holding one of his more stylsh jug pots.lovely elabourate design..spectacles.old wood chair..google has photo of them with their pottery table in front of them..it was old soap works 1850s site havelock..their studio and factory and coal fired kiln...fulham was shop run by one brother...wallace trained school art.and think said started and was influenced by famous lambeth potter
  y doulton....so often pieces on antique roadshow....my gt gt grandfather was at old brentford smith hill by market gardening and gas works..went river to lambeth 1891 1901 1911.died there.william and ann walker ...in his 80s..so many flocked lambeth work labourers...archive good photos etc..stink of bones used potteries near river wharfs..marshes ...disease...by river...all pottery and market garden produce to the crowds of london..famous doulton works of lambeth by river....now huge prices and priceless..handmade uniques and handpainted before transfer print and factory mass production moulds etc....
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• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  keith you may like to look burslem pottery andrew hull site...sells martin like ware..sculpture wallace martin like birds he sells now....southall library open same day as norwood village green fete...tall red victorian building large carved stone lettering southall over door.opened mayor southall..says 800 pieces on show..RICKY said very good he lives there sees them...robert wallace martin the
  leader his designs sculpture quirky figures..1920s when one sold for more than £40 he was amazed....they started to get intersting to a few great friends and followers of martin.they bequethed their collections later on....wallace £40 and more for book and 100sthousands for pieces and museums..famous people never saw their true worth .shame..and no reply from cemetery dept....ealing....plot memorial stone.feel sure no stone as they were going bust 1923 not surviving when died...on google famous burials site photos etc..but martin brothers not on it
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• Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009
  Know it's quite a way off but if you have a table at NG Fete next year could bring some of my archives along.

• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  just found bit more..robert wallace the leader and last to die 1923..struggling 8 yrs after his brother died when 1915 pottery closing..not till later became famous rare unique arts craft movement pieces.he said never 2 pieces made same..rob wall had been assistant working on sculpture of pugins houses parliament..fergies tv series of victorian pugin over top elabourate decor of new hse parliament
  ....martin 1879 showroom holborn..shop fulham extrememly bad fire ..1884 pliability wet clay squashed vase slumped he made photo google..inscribed from bible..and the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter so he made it again another vessel as seemed good to the potter to make it..plaque panel shows wheelboy..bench boy and potter at wood treddle potters table...my potter gt uncles son was called knocker all his life worked martin as knocker outer boy gets pottery out kiln tubs.knocks bottom out to get pottery out...off tentlow lane walk to work at canal bridge there martin havelock pottery.on site of very old disused soap works before 1850
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• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
  yes please barry...I have lots bits to bring...looking forward to it..good weather and easy out on green..refreshments extended plough garden there...hope you anita can come keith...josie and uncle coming....have you got old paste board fold table to put in back car barry..we have picnic rug anyway... we have offered to pick len up on way if wants....hope pauline can get back norwood green way lik
  e your birth present brother brought you....will take photos......dilys if can come...laurence from leatherhead it is just off your memories of meadow way..have sent xmas card to phillis scarb hutnell church warden her invite to us
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• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Dec-2009
  victoria albert museum w london ..collection in ceramics room martinware..many pieces chess by martin..etc etc..free entry..near tube and bus goes along to harrods sale jan and xmas covered in xmas lights shape of building..albert memorial next stop on bus museum has a bequeth collection of martin...photos chess etc on google their site....v and a..lovely shop and coffee room and refresh terrace o
  utdoor centre court in good weather..next to sci museum and earth museum gems rocks and nat hist museum dinosoars etc evolution and giant whales etc
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• Re: More Martinware news by homer68 (Member 10244766) on 20-May-2010
  WILLIAM WALTER WALLBANKS WAS MY GRANDFATHERS UNCLE

• Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2010
  that would be knocker to be uncle.....brother of knocker ,,,alf ,, joseph...will walt their father from burslem sloke trent first born to mum mary painter teenager pottery,,lodging when she had him ...later she married had more children ..age 19 went in army india came out houns barracks 1881 married sarah timb mary first born 1882 bapt hest church

• Re: horses by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Dec-2009
  dilys .keith.pauline..everybody sincere greetings.click through card
  http://www.jacquielawson.com/preview.asp?cont=1&hdn=0&pv=3111933

• Re: radio by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Dec-2009
  2 photos our flickr..chamb heston airport speech...and brickmaking early 20th cent.....growth southall from farms southall green..factories canal rail buses etc...but also our families brickies....norwood green famous and canal to build buck palace..and northhyde our families old north star pub and brickies cottages pulled down late 50s for aiport........how the row houses lay so far back off nort
  hhyde lane...huge long grass infront..makes me think they could not build on it ..industry toxic coal kilns clamps etc...soil there must be suspect hence golf course only allowed.ammunition napolionic wars barracks and storage convent way.one google says saw red flames burst through 1970...victorian farm ends with xmas table soon.bbc2..they did brickmaking...clamp huge amount coal.massive heat..bricks for labourers cottages.kiln gave less blackened for fine houses....by bridge old oak my aunt 1914 to 1927 said coal depot...soot massive 5 days in kiln fires....many 10000s of bricks ......women men lodgers worked my family dwelling there 1800s..gave southall some of its wealth money growth of industry....where theres muck theres brass.... southall brickfactory 1800s 1900s near josies uncle down southall..
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• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Dec-2009
  lawrence...1957 references airwork services ltd for defence ..on google..1960 airwork hurn airport bounemouth and secretary name on google..could be leads info for you...airwork heston to gatwick...

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Dec-2009
  lawrence google says for defence with raf and fleet air arm......1928 bought heston....great contibution engineers etc during war...your query into hangar at dusk late 1950s.....defence raf...perhaps still some use confidential matters..cold war period..heston convenient any important passenger for london....now northolt used many yrs VIPS......nato...raf....queens flight..ploice escorts...plenty.
  ..on london...flights...plane spotters many yrs...one chap got arrested about 10yrs ago..but released seemed genuine.....small aircraft...they log all flights in room there 12 people work around the clock
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• Re: lma archive..heston airport by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 18-Dec-2009
  Happy Christmas & peaceful New Year to one and all.Barry

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 29-Dec-2009
  For anyone interested in Heston Airport history, there is a good website to view at Hayes and Harlington News. Just log in to view and there is a selection of reports, comments and pictures from a number of contributors, helping to keep it's importance still living.

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 29-Dec-2009
  By the way Yvoinne, how does one view photo pictures in Flickr ? I must admit I've forgotten how to access it.

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  its quick easy..........www.flickr.com..........type that in left top...........says sign in at top right........so click that..........in ID put.........southallboard@yahoo.co.uk..........underneath password......put middlesex.........click words sign in.........up comes photos..........click all sizes large.......get full screen.........barry has put photo

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
  did hayes harlington news..2 places there..lots several yrs on hayes site photos......today found good series photos early heathrow...and further on found very first phots postcards heathrow from dave humber 1947 plane G.. AGOP>>ZS>ATR...then 1958 observe place and cars with just open spaces of heathrow site...we know the photos of tents that started check in there,,BEA BOAC.....lawrence not found
  heston airport on there yet and your 3 ,4 items you mention...would like see that all..says fairey.and first plane vertical take off..says weston helicopters....last yr we were weston supermare and the special one only helicopter museum is good there....keith lots on hayessite..all buses history photos routes..aec.records etc locally
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• Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 1-Jan-2010
  Yvonne/all. I think I may have misled you with an incorrect web site, the correct one is http://www.middx.net/hayes/framenews.htm, then type in Heston Airport in the search engine, top right. We now have quite a few new contributors for the forums,pictures, etc.

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010
  thanks lawrence will try that ..hap new yr..several good pieces on flickr now and more to come this week..let us know if you find .. see them all ok now...

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-May-2010
  Does anyone remember the AA gun mount on gravel mound North Hyde end Heston airfield there in 50s

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-May-2010
  members have spoken of gun used seacadets etc...on site comments by items on heston airport st marys barracks orphanage northhyde...gravel pits over back....there is lot on site written about it by members who lived nearby....1952 they pulled down orphan convent did you see it...what happened to the war memorial large stone names of orphan boys listed/disappeared 1952...forecourt barracks southall
  lane used by seacadets 1951..1960s aeradio office used chapel still standing as office...etc etc
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• Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-May-2010
  Yvonne the gun mount in question was on the airfeild not the sea cadets at Cranford, cant remember orphanage or war memorial, I remember 2 large Vic/Geo houses on Southall Lane derelict in the 50s

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-May-2010
  Denis - If you go back to the end of the first page, there is an entry under Photo comment board1st one ...zepler..St Mary orphanage etc. by Terence Patrick Hewett. It is a very long entry, but at the end he says "ack ack gun on mound next to the Convent, picking up dummy hand grenades, etc.

• Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-May-2010
  Thanx Pauline missed that, practice granades made I.C.I between Spickes Bridge and Ruislip Rd WW11 also large fire G.P.O tyre dump 1950.

• Re: clothes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Dec-2009
  deep white cuffs and cufflinks..dickie bow...len goodman looks dapper.2 photos young dark hair,,ballroom and a comic dance..good luck semi tonight ballroom..nearly all his biog bk on google.costermonger barrow boy gdad.bethnal green .to dartford docks welder.then dance school..gravesend lives by thames.....19 damage foot football.dancing won champion.....3rd lady wife.one son who sing dance tour a
  nnie......loves golf and west ham team..nan cook beet in copper with gas under..washed len in it first then beet.customers said best beet..len said the scum...washed clothes in same copper....only child parents divorced 50s.len born 1944.scare prostate cancer last yr treated..cockney expressions.get on my wick..for petes sake..my cup of tea..rub salt in..last straw..weedle out of it..etcbring up kids like bake cake...hope got all ingredients right..only time will tell how it turns out..moorish...take mickey...fuddy duddies
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• Re: clothes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Dec-2009
  9 episodes bbc2 mondays has been coal hse war 1940s..clothes etc all good..turban scarf clever made and tucked under..my aunt had it for light engineering factories and munitions war..wish me luck as you wave me goodbye on radio...school 1940s.. bbc tv 2....if have digital radio....everyday 12.30 bbc radio comedies..sunday clitheroe kid...tuesdays navy lark....round horn etc....channel 7 radio dai
  ly has been couple yrs now.....
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