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Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 9-Apr-2014

Congratulations on your site – always fascinating.

I am (still) researching characters associated with my second cousin Jim Ives who served as a bomber pilot in the second world war. Jim was posted 'missing' on operations in January 1944, shot down on a raid against Berlin.

I am currently interested in Mr Charles G Vernon, headmaster at Southall County School which Jim attended between ... more >>
  
  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by penny (Member 10265839) on 10-Apr-2014
    Mr Vernon was still headmaster of Southall Grammar School when I attended between 1958 and 1963. I remember him as elderly (but then I thought all the teachers were old!) with a craggy face and twinkling eyes. He was always very fair in his judgements if you were sent to his office as a punishment.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Apr-2014
    I attended Southall County School from 1943 to 1945 and Mr Vernon was Headmaster there all the time I was there. All I can remember about him was that he was a very fair headmaster, not one to be afraid of. I can't say that he reminded me of James Mason at all but he had a 'nice' face. We also had a Headmistress at the same time called Miss Brookes.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    ives on records southall 1911 census electoral roles..ancestry site.BDM..southall grammar had reunion 2002 ..table set out with old school booklets etc...school library now called Villiers may have archive and ealing public library has school info roles etc etc..reunion people with info in google and friends reunited s grammar site..
    my family knew ives ..my family southall going back to 1870.etc yrs...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Apr-2014
    John - My brother David attended Southall Grammar School in 1947, and in his autobiography he wrote about Mr Vernon, which I think you would like to hear. "Mr Vernon was a wonderful man. Quiet, unassuming and totally fair, respected by staff and pupils alike. He took the school assembly every morning, unless of course he was absent himself. What I remember him mainly for, were the occasions that h... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 10-Apr-2014
    I remember 'Dolly' Brookes Pauline, she was still there when I started in 1963 & I do just remember Dr. Vernon though he was handing over to Dr. Holroyd from the Tech. Dr. Vernon did have a very kind face that is certainly how I remember him.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    of southall Middlesex.....neil ives..if it helps...http://www.oldog.co.uk/AboutMe.htm

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Apr-2014
    I met Mr Vernon once-in 1940. I had sat the first part of the exam at North Road, and passed.The second stage was held at Southall County, where I met Mr Vernon. I ignominiously failed!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Apr-2014
    I meant the 11+ exam of course!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Apr-2014
    Dont worry Michael were not on your own, LOL

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    only Charles gayford Vernon death.online..find past..free index...Suffolk Deben..1989..age 89 left grammar 1964...born 1900 sept..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Apr-2014
    I was so pleased to learn that Mr Vernon had 25 years of retirement after he retired from Southall Grammar School.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Apr-2014
    yes was gt..lovely rare name...he shows up in free index easily.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 11-Apr-2014
    Many thanks all, just the sort of memories I was hoping for. Pauline's brother David's recollections show Dr Vernon to be quite a deep and original thinker. I was similarly impressed by a foreword he wrote for the school magazine 'Recess' of December 1934 in which he discussed 'the machine age':-

    'But it has not turned out precisely as might have been expected. By machinery we can produce go... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    if you make free flickr photo site like denis .did......you can display any photo..we can all see it..in google..let us know when.....or send the image.email to ealing local history library ealing broadway..librarian of many yrs southall etc might help..his collection info photos and books he has and has written on southall.....glad you liked our help.....grammar recess..booklet they did many yrs.....

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    1933 junior schools...could be .tudor rd....Featherstone rd..north rd junior school...as you see in google map it is to the east of southall park and southall grammar...by green drive..2nd war bomb..mike and Pauline.and members have spoken of..in area .by there.....north rd juniors might probably be the catchment area school for him...map you can see across the uxbridge rd just there.school and.ho... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Pauline today email from friends reunited..you may have....said original team of yr 2000.going to do site again....have replied said put it back exactly to how it was ..told them all parts want back and how..waste of my valuable time again expect...we shall see........several yrs now facebook and photos have taken all members from them with their archive memories knowledge.photos etc.also...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 12-Apr-2014
    Here's a link for the junior school photo http://jcproctor.co.uk/schoolslist.html

    there's also a list of the first year intake for Sept. 1934. I'm aware that William Smale form 1 Alpha aso died in the war.

    Thanks for the pointers, I'll give Dr Oates a try as there must be a photo somewhere in the school mags of Dr... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    best to try deputy head ...school library or secretary .they are usually nice.will try photo..oates and his assistant now are good..Vernon marriage birth on line free..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Villiers 100yrs excellence..
    http://www.villiers.ealing.sch.uk/school_information/our_history/

    photos ..groups..

    war memorial board.usually at school... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    born 1928 ish ...sept1934 intake juniors if north rd..which is for knowsley rd....our mike born same went there...Pauline mike photo ..on southall flickr also...all large group 1934 children..and teacher..........north rd primary school on friends reunited since yr 2000..lots photos..staff pupils there memories etc...free site in google.....

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    if you do street view 2012 july show my street 1850 north rd built school still there infants juniors...front ..left as photo ..see school passage seems..corner be the old sweet shop......along right front school..old part still exsists windows roof sections...seems...look at street view free site in google...mike 1928ish born went to north rd..members some 1928 ..1934 family lived local..of those... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    your book and researcher work you do.researching.on other raf.also,1944 died jim age 21..so born 1923..at sept 1934 southall school.so.age 11 in photo end junior school.it seems......nice info from family of jim..in southall here...
    http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/book.html

    expect southall grammar and ealing southall local hist library have signed copies your world war 2 raf bomber command book..y... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    sept 1934 1st yr photo..intake you say..... southall grammar jim sept1934 to 1939..so sept he would be old southall grammar building photo...end junior school july 1934 he would be with class teacher leaving primary junior school age 11..photo.....probably north rd juniors.catchment area.....in.1934.... born 1923 died jan 1944 age 21...so is photo front sept 1934..age 11..southall grammar..buildin... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    1st yr intake age 11 southall grammar would be cotton uniform dresses like photo...hot day.........north rd juniors..1934 ..think they did not have uniform cotton dresses etc..age 10/11.leaving junior school...so 1934 1st yr intake age 11..southall grammar photo jim ives..grammar asked for uniform.purchased local uniform shop..1934......2012.pity street view modern building part old southall gramm... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    dr oates ealing southall library may have 1st yr intake photos archive 1934 southall grammar cotton dress uniform sept 1934...you say he was there 1934sept to july1939..in your book info in google........at your site.you have lots more raf.people to look up get info added .must keep you busy..expect you have done well with author books..subject very popular and again now ..very much so for books buying etc

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    yes your book link .says born 1923 .from southwark ....1933 arrives southall knowsley rd..last 2 terms southall junior school.building and catchment area for his hse....july leaves.. sept 1934 1st yr intake.southall grammar...to see building 2 female teachers..photo large class boys girls.age 11 ish.1934 ..archive from john his dads hse southall 1972

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    long shot...photo could be out back of school....not school building in background....if housing etc...around the area...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Apr-2014
    The Ive family lived opposite us in Northcote Avenue, and were there from 1937 or earlier. As Colin Harris, our historian and also a member of the Ive family (his grandfather John Ive still lives there the last time he wrote about him) maybe he would have some information on this other Ive family when he gets back.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    records show ive spelling...and ives...this raf pilot jim ives..moved in age 10/11 from southwark south London...with his dad john ives..lived east side southall pk..his dad john ives died in hse 1972.....jim new to southall went to junios for last 2 terms then onto s grammar to 1939 july..then pilot war..died 1944...at war...his dad john lived on till 1972.southall at the house.............but co... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    says 55 photos southall grammar...friends reunited...they have gone back to nearly original site layout....Villiers changed buildings...but if you see photo sept 1934 of 1st intake...girls in dresses uniform..as your photo..the building behind if it is the old 1934 school...if any of the old school building windows roof of photo..survives today....several think it is NOT north rd primary..where.hi... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    in google jack ryall...class of 1939 s grammar...you say jim there 1934 to 1939
    http://www.classmates.com/people/Jack-Ryall/8683249940

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    photos 1950s..on southallboard flickr......roof windows..front...southall grammar old original brick front...built like tudor rd 1906/7 ..also 1950 tudor rd primary..walking distance west from southall grammar...tudor rd to age 11.........grammar..11 onwards....ives photo.if check..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Beaconsfield rd mixed juniors july 1934 is walk across west for ives...built 1920...in google prospectus says it is an old building..architecture Victorian.edwardian...photo of the windows old red brick..looks like your windows 1934 photo..age 11 kids 1934 july end of juniors..group...not school uniform just cotton dresses..post code ub1 1 dr Beaconsfield rd..email there also...street view goes down Beaconsfield rd..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Beaconsfield built 1908 as high school girls but war yrs 7000 Australian wounded .hospital use many amputees limbs made training for jobs.etc..1920 adapted to juniors infants..area of the famous huge Marylebone orphan school Victorian building south rd through to Beaconsfield rd...1934 july Beaconsfield juniors photo ives.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 13-Apr-2014
    Yvonne, genius! Thank you so much, you've cracked it! Beaconsfield Road Primary School it is. Googlemaps street-view shows that the upper storey has since been rendered, but the ground floor brickwork looks right. The window and roof configurations match when viewed from the south-eastern corner of the school. The photo is from the rear of the school building with Beaconsfield Road in the backg... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 13-Apr-2014
    The street-view from Oswald Road confirms all.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 13-Apr-2014
    You were right it was Harris Philp, also around the corner from SGS was Joe Erskine and in Greenford Rd it was Sellers. Mispent youth!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-Apr-2014
    Pauline mentioned the Ive family in Northcote Avenue, she was right about them living at 140, but it's my uncle John Ive that still lives in Northcote albeit not at the same number. John will be 91 later this year and given his age is still in quite good health. My Ive family were not related to the Ives family.

    The mention of the pencil from Harris and Philp the bookies is rather a strange co-... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by penny (Member 10265839) on 13-Apr-2014
    Have been trying to come up with names of teacher at Southall Grammar 1950s - 1960s.
    Mr Elton - French
    Miss McHeath - PE
    Mrs Pledger - Maths
    Mr Lant - Maths
    Mr "Doc" Holiday -... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    llucky on prospectus..say still in part old Victorian building...many schools ..last view yrs been demolished new modern glass gone up.....yes Oswald by it so street view.....uxbridge rd 1934 the big main rd...so not send jim near across to north rd primary.same distance away for him...but WINDOWS DEAD WRONG..but across the other side of his pk to Beaconsfield...juniors....so photo ..HE AGE 11 was... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    1958..after ives war pilot yrs...headmistress beaconsfiield primary died age 57 after 36 yrs teaching profession..mrs d ashall..probably Dorothy.....approx. yrs of 1958 hansard gov minister photo spoke to headmistress Beaconsfield visit photo with kids..in google under hansard...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    end 1922 birth.age 21 death..1944 sad....births 1921.like some of my family..mine were army war.......gt your streetview.you could capture now then ..but clipping .the photos of ..back area of photo..as is today online.2 lady teachers one could be headmistress.dorothy...small % grammar..then senior schools local they would go to 1934 sept...school would love to have photo and help you..as oates at... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    southall bowling teams.many yrs southall...colin...happy birthday to john ive 91 later on.still at diff number northcote....gt memories he has...flats built on pub car pk now.......mine of southall..she is 100 november ..gt 2 cards one from queen one from alberta..her son is doing gt celebration..they are out there now....ives and ive..lots in records.from all over...often all sorts of different f... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    penny....good site was friends reunited 50s etc yrs...schools ..under places..click....photos pupils at yrs..teachers pupils memories....email from them yesterday said at last .they are going back to original yr 2000 format...penny so try see get southall grammar.1950s etc yrs..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    dr oates.....has list of all war dead ealing library...several hundreds....booklet....knowsley rd...parish holy trinity uxbridge rd...war dead plaque inside church list names...grammar school .has war dead plaque..Villiers would have kept it...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    his dad...john ives..1933 onwards southall.to 1972...working yrs he was construction....worked on Wembley.stadium.
    http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/book.html

    your book of several raf ..war..lives research.etc
    southall Hounslow etc.etc.more than usual changes .huge massive exit.since 1960s etc yrs..so photo 1934 ,age 11 school..people have long gone.every each house .they all left to abroad and all ... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Apr-2014
    Harris and Phelp(Philp) the bookies had an office next door to Petries the chemistin North Road. The Harris and Phelp boys were at North Road School with me.
    Mr Harris could be seen most evenings propping up the bar in the White Hart

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    off .so back..sent 2 emails
    to them

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    nice ytube....your sincere speaking to radio 2012..about .your book photos jimmy etc..your 2nd cousin...and 600 more raf .you hope to do....we went to bomber command memorial some mths ago..very well done...jim job before went to war lilian shadowed it and took over...jim s letters..he trained usa for raf pilot....kate middletons gdad trained pilots raf war in Canada...her mum and family tree of ... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9gj3GxJng

    you visited your gt aunt uncle john southall..your dad cousin jim..born 1922 nov..you visit not know boy had grown up there ..but grief must have been .bad for family..sad sincere good wishes..gt log book.raf pilot..bbc radio herts bucks beds...part 1 and 2 bk..also.j k ives.log bk in .good handwriting .in red etc log book.so glad you have.aviator sung... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 14-Apr-2014
    The Beaconsfield Road school photo is a charming one in which all the children look carefree. Sad that in ten years young Jimmy would be a pilot in the RAF on the verge of flying operations against Nazi Germany.

    Uncle John had a big tin of those pencils so he must have made regular pilgrimages to Harris & Philp. He was craggy looking but he always seemed pretty jolly and very dapper, often tu... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Apr-2014
    very sad about mabel..with it being only child war death even worse..nan of southall 1st baby died like many did in old days 3 sons 3 daughters.then..but son died tube factory southall green age 19 toxin lungs pneumonia.hillingdon hosp got compensation from sanders factory.know yrs of work practise toxins etc.money payed for nice grave stone verse etc etc southall..1936..but she had to get on gkid... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Apr-2014
    raf Northolt by southall .still very much operational did Olympics typoons.....history1912 ..1st war 2nd war..has museum now..polish section etc.......uxbridge famous churchill king bunker hq ops.battle Britain etc.many have visited..air ministry film today on tv ..appointment in London..my southall cousin.was observer corps .her nephew out in the field with binoculars ..phoned her..she phoned con... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    what..new..easter arisen...from fire yrs derelict.......new northcote pub building preserved architecture front roof......working there today....also new flats ..creamy brown to right in car park....pub shape looks like elderly home or hotel..in new arisen northcote...google will say gazette......should be able know in next few days will post here..................looks gt in sunshine..same as mem... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Good to hear that the dear old Northcote Arms will at least have its roof architecture preserved, and that building is in progress for perhaps a care home or hotel. Anything is better than the wreck it has looked for ages.

    I've just finished reading R.J.Meads book on "The Maypole and Southall Green" and just before the Appendices he said "God forbid that we shall ever see the Water Tower turned... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    yes dark red brick still looks ok...heritage listed...tall gt of q vic saw and asked turrets be added...quite few yrs ago no steam trains use so flats inside it...........read list of heritage southall yesterday.....water tower 1907ish..or so...Allenby rd..probably.........
    ..see photo s ..today of northcote ...ok...all front ..etc...looks gt ok...good work..looks nearly finished...heritage prese... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Apr-2014
    I believe the water tower flats are for single people

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    oh just let me in..log in..sent 2 emails to them...1st time ever that ...but ron said it happened to him....yes denis.for that..small rooms in there .since 1980s..turrets queen asked for better view from her train carriage to Windsor gwr..castle effect....north top west side alleby rd old water tower in google..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    short single pages still not there today ..told them ..but still not back....that short .list of items..on the other section of this...gone now...today

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    In the Water Tower Housing Coperative (WT) it said "It was decided to set up WT Co-op to bid for Government subsidy to house singles and couples in the tower and families in newly built houses on adjacent land."

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    thanks....nice photos of it all...before after..and glass gone in...to make window etc...clever.use........
    .their own private rd..gate .for lock when want goes up through to there....area of the crescent and the straight....west side southall station bridge...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    you spoke.......ha..today seen 3 photos wood Osterley .today taken.good Friday...full of blue bells carpet...gt trees..will put on...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Thanks Yvonne for the lovely Easter blubells in Osterley Wood on our Southallboard, but better still the old Northcote Arms being renovated looks absolutely wonderful. Will be interesting to know what it's to be used for.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    loads people used grubhams 40s 50s...memories corner shop...by so many....lucky easter photos northcote fascade..front preserved as best as can..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    will let you know soon find out what to be northcote ........bluebells so gt ..beauty.2014 just like all yrs ago..fame of those woods.......locked gates at night Osterley..preserved protected...got some in bloom every yr garden under tree.3 lots blue grape hyacinth and forget me not

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Yes, I've got quite a few bluebells and white bluebells in my garden which were given to me by an old gardener where I used to work. Have also got masses of Grape Hyacinths everywhere. My husband hated them, but I love to see their blue colour. The only drawback is that although the bulbs are pulled out every year they just seem to multiple threefold! My favourite old tree which I look out from my... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Apr-2014
    lovely pink blossom....down the roads ..small and also double blousey ..lovely and may bushes blossom..canals etc...we have white cherry garden ..apple pear..Mexican honeysuckle white...reddish blossom and stalks trees roads.forget me not.....magnolia..gt spring..tulips soon over...gt drifts daffs .roads roundabouts etc..

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Roaming Dogs by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 7-Apr-2014
I know we often say things were better in the old days but one thing struck me the other day.

We I was young say late 1950's to 66 when I left, we would always see packs of 2 or three dogs roaming round the streets (be it Prefabs or Manaton Cres) and getting into bins and such but these days I never see dogs wandering around. So there at least is some improvement.
  
  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Apr-2014
    rspca has continued gets more and more they are.gt..generally towns urban and rural..people do try..all about dogs...increase as yrs go by urban fox..we have found we are ok going all through the yrs..in our environments.in what we see .or know

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Apr-2014
    Yes Fred I too recall numerous dogs wandering the streets and in the park. They were such a traffic hazard too. I have a vivid memory of seeing dead dogs laying in the back yard of the police station..it upset me as a child. It was quite often I saw them. I can only assume they had been killed on the roads. As you say, much better now. Chris x

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Yes, you're right Fred. It was quite normal in the 30's and 40's to see dead dogs floating in the canal. People used to throw new born puppies and kittens in a bag tied up. It was very cruel. At least we are a bit more caring now, although it was a lot to do with affording things then.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Apr-2014
    It now seems to be horses that now get a bad deal as you due to costs Fred.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Apr-2014
    the national dogs trust also does charity work...few mths ago southall dog found but in short while the owner found an all ok.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Apr-2014
    Haven't seen any dead dogs in the canal recently Pauline, but there have been a couple of drowned foxes.

    On the subject of the canal I have added a couple of pictures of the new towpath between Spikes and Hayes Bridges to my website the URL is:

    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/pag... more >>

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Thanks for the extra photos Colin. It certainly makes the towpath much easier for walking on, especially mums with push chairs. I can see the kids whizzing along on their bikes now. They have certainly tidied the banks of the canal up. There used to be bullrushes, reeds and some lovely coloured grasses when we were kids. If you folded the reeds in a certain way you could make a shrill whistling so... more >>

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Apr-2014
    Cormorants Pauline.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Thanks Colin.

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Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 6-Mar-2014
I have just uploaded Richard Meads third book "Southall 830-1982", I hope to add something about the canal to the website in the near future.   
  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2014
    Thank you once again Colin. Lots of lovely reads!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Great Colin. Thanks.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thankyou colin.canal sounds wonderful .we do appreciate

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 15-Mar-2014
    I have now added a couple of photo galleries to my website, they can be accessed from this url:

    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page10.html

    I will be adding more to the page in the future.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2014
    Thank you once again Colin. They are beautiful. Loved the ones with the ducks and swans! Will have another look after breakfast.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2014
    marvellous .thanks colin.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 15-Mar-2014
    I have now added a gallery of pictures of Bekonscot Model Village to the page. You may need to refresh the page to view the link to it.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2014
    HASTINGS SPOKEN OF...TODAY bbc2.5.30..pier fire 2010..restore..glory days 56000 went.celebration seaside piers

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Glad they are restoring Hastings pier saw it a while ago very sad site.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Mar-2014
    Colin-thanks for those beautiful photos of the canals-bring back memories of long ago!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 16-Mar-2014
    I have so enjoyed looking through the archives - thank you.
    On the subject of the restoration of Hastings Pier: do any of you know Weston-super-Mare and, in particular, the 'old pier' named Birnbeck? Sad to say it has been left to rot, pure and simple, and is a complete eyesore which is dangerous and completely unsafe. Glad that Hastings has come up trumps - so many enjoyable day trips to the to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Janice i have lost track of the times i have been up & down the East & West hills in the lifts to the caves & the castle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2014
    yes lots times we been up to castle.lifts etc....this feb bad land slide fairlight...east end of hastings...fish tall nets gt ..gt fresh fish caught...townsfolk are doing trust..with lottery heritage fund...spring 2015 due to open.pier..one of the 1st piers of the country...tv programme today was good.bbc2...we were Weston yr of fire..we were gt on front there had gt days..sand sculpures etc....to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 16-Mar-2014
    Have now added the Southall chapter from the book Ealing Walkabout to the web page as a PDF download

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Yes saw rock face slide at the side of Hastings yacht club at rock-a-nore on the news

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2014
    thanks for ealing etc colin......yes film of feb landslides on tv and computer....east end of hastings...baring gap...along from Eastbourne..and down by boscombe pier bournemouth

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Mar-2014
    Does anybody remember any large old fashioned enamel advertising signs on the bridge at Southall railway station in the 1940/50.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Mar-2014
    This rigns a bell with me. From 1948-1951 I was a full time student at the former Northern Polytechnic. I used to travel daily from Southall to Paddington thence by underground to Holloway road.( Cancelled trains didn't happen.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Mar-2014
    Wondered if anyone can recall what they advertised.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Mar-2014
    The only advert I can remember Denis, but don't know if it was at Southall Station was the BISTO advert!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Mar-2014
    When I said BISTO advert I meant the BISTO kids!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Mar-2014
    site back...ha yes bisto kids

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Mar-2014
    I thought we would be of longer than that again, Pauline you could be right i can remember the signs but not who they advertised.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Mar-2014
    lots enamel metal signs in google..1950s cigs etc...Castrol..champion spark plugs local Feltham..fry choc..tea etc.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Mar-2014
    I can remember a Fynnon Salts advert. Don't know where.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Mar-2014
    I remember Brasso Metal Polish and Camp Coffee & Chicory Essence ads. I think Camp could possibly be one of the ones at Southall Station this would have been up to early 60s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Mar-2014
    Yes Fred i think you are right about camp coffee ad.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Mar-2014
    Yes I remember my mum using Brasso and Camp Coffee. The only thing was I just didn't like the coffee, and whenever it came out, I would opt for a cup of tea! I can still see it though in my mind's eye with a screw top bottle!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Mar-2014
    Pauline there was another metal cleaner that you never see now, Bluebell

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Mar-2014
    my mum used bttle camp liquid coffee many many yrs...brasso and bluebell aunt always in cupboard lifetime cleaned her brass ornaments and front door bits.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Mar-2014
    I'd completely forgotten about Bluebell metal cleaner Denis. I've just looked up a picture of it on Google, and yes that was used indoors at some time! I think the two brass candlesticks used to get a birthday polish at Christmas time! I believe I used to polish my Guide's badge or buckle. Can't remember which now.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 24-Mar-2014
    Another chicory coffee was BEV.
    Also i can remember on the large boards outside the station the Guinness advert , of a workman carrying an iron girder.and silver polish was Silvo,and Reckitts Blue,

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    reckitts blue little dye bag.strong blue..we used in the big bath weekly southall..rinse water whiten the whites mangle outside then out on high long line..prop in the middle...bev by lyons..guiness yes..big guiness off western ave..gone now...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    huge advert paper poster boards .adverts..iron bridge.uxbridge rd...high side boards many yrs and today

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    The add boards where at the side of Geo. Cross construction & plant hire yard i think.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    The add boards where at the side of Geo. Cross construction & plant hire yard i think.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    nice bit in google.....g c cross co ltd..sand gravel building haulage firm..1924 did wembley brit exhibition...at start 1919 had yard behind white hart high st uxbridge rd southall...grew so .sussex rd..then to uxbridge rd..1961 100 worked there

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    Geo. Cross also had a small yard in Kingsbridge Gardens near Cranleigh park in the 1950s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    George cross mr meads bk tells of..
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page21.html

    from sussex rd.also went to .up by garage up by iron bridge uxbridge rd..think he talks of southall bus garage opposite asylum....George .cartage haulage contractors...when sand gravil...yes he would be over by canal.transport..off cranleigh way...70yrs tunnel tom dick harry 50 executed 3 got home to uk.7... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    Yes great escape 50 yrs. ago today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    That should be 70 yrs ago today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    yes 70 yrs .several vets there..families..lunch news tv.today.30 ft deep off sand 300ft long...then ceremony goes to the graves of the 50 executed.from hitler rage

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Mar-2014
    Mum used to "do her step" every so often with a tin of "Cardinal Red" polish. Lots of people had fresh red doorsteps, but that is certainly a habit that has died out

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Mar-2014
    I think people also yellow stoned there steps to.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    I don't remember yellow Denis, but most people in our terraced houses in Northcote Avenue whitened their steps. I think some kind of white stone was used. Lots just scrubbed their steps.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Mar-2014
    It must be up in the north they used yellow stones then.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 25-Mar-2014
    And black lead on the fireplace.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    On your Canal photos Colin, there is what looks like a large corrugated building on the photo "Looking South between Spikes and Hayes Bridge" with a small red boat or barge before you get to it. It stands higher than the houses. Do you know what it is? I found the bank alongside the canal at Bankside much scruffier than it was in the 1930's when we lived there. All the lovely May trees are gone. I... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    yes black lead bob....yes thought saw may shrubs less gone bankside...warehouses tall big along...west side....as you say one between hayes bridge and spikes....lighthouse.is the firm west side north bit of hayes bridge....couple of live on barges along..we just had roads like Berwick ashford etc out to delemare...have they built some new modern houses west side along canal edge..along there..show... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Mar-2014
    Yes, I recall front and back door step whitened each week. They were scrubbed with a block of hard white chalk, called a DONKEY STONE, not sure why it was called that. The stone had to be wet. Woman used to TUT TUT if someone's step hadn't been cleaned up to scratch! ( standard). Strange custom. Chris x. (Google donkey stone to learn more).

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Mar-2014
    Never saw any yellow steps here down south, and as I did a paper round, I saw an awful lot of steps.

    In those days, in the private houses, more than 50% had papers delivered, but they were out much earlier then, and people would start phoning the newsagent to complain if their papers hadn't been delivered by 7 a.m. by when we were meant to be finished

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    yes chris and images of stone and women using it.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=donkey+stone&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

    so much up north midlands etc.also..and the pride of women doing their scrubbed step.my aunt many yrs did the red cardinal.step and surrounds...yes early newspaper and postman and milkman

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 25-Mar-2014
    Pauline, the large corrugated building belongs to Shurguard, a self-storage company. I think the swans etc. are attracted to Bankside by the staff of the Asian cash and carry on the opposite bank, I've seen them out by the canal putting food out to feed them. The feeding of the birds, I believe, has some connection to the religious beliefs of some of the Asian community, it occurs at a number of p... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    they do it at the London apprentice pub thames also bags of bred and corn..some have corner shops stale..put out but rats is concern....just had show my st.streetview 2012.and close up went around side building tall..warehouse.self storage shurgurd been there long time now...points roof and narrow tall long slits windows ...so my photo...along west side canal must be just there..google can see the... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    photo shurgurd...going north .west side hayes side..road front at canal cars at houses newish modern.with garages.built in part of houses..3 sections going along..///few live on house boat barges moored there swans..3 story high windows...cars parked along..as road edge canal....across other side.tow path would be on east side..to hayes bridge uxbridge rd...nice photo...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    Thanks for that Colin. It makes sense that the birds will hang around where there's food. I've fed birds for years, but found each winter when it got particularly cold, that rats started appearing near my bird table. One year, they started breeding underneath the shed so I got rid of the shed, and now I don't get the rats. Mind you, two large cats in the vicinity probably help as well! I really lo... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Mar-2014
    I know there were swans opposite the Rec when I was young say 1950s & 1960s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    we were there 2 yrs ago sunday..official came in white van checked them...they get ringed.queens swans.code on ring at leg..he checked for any string or problem..opposite rec old oak pub....oslo ring on some swans that fly in winters.several local reservoirs .aquadromes .lakes have them//standing at bus stop 10 yrs ago..1st time saw 2 high flying swans along..built up area.houses but..flying off..... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 26-Mar-2014
    I can remember swans being there during the war, they used to cross the dump (now the green) opposite our house top of Regina Rd, for food, but then had to be discouraged as a swan was hit by a car, They always nested in the cutting opposite the Old Oak Tree.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Mar-2014
    ah yes there is the turning hole...near hump bridge opposite the oak pub...yr ago they built tight complex flats there on that whole corner side of bridge east end bit of wentworth rd...with lawn bits for them at canal edge..it shows on streetview 2012 july...show my street...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Mar-2014
    saw some old photos of the council.waste centre...google says it closed down march 2012.gordon rd.ub2 5qe...this last winter local swans have been wandering further..across rd into grass areas bits of front garden etc..get some fresh grass weed that is not for them at their usual.waters edges..cold nights they are glad of food.they all love the correct feed grain

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 26-Mar-2014
    We used to live at 158 Regina Rd Bob, what number did you live at?

    Do you remember our house being bombed in July 1944?

    Although I of course was not born until 1950 by which time it had been rebuilt but the bomb killed my Gran... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 26-Mar-2014
    Fred, I lived at 186. last but one.and born 1939, i know where you lived.after the rebuild. I used to play on the bomb site where your house was. The day the bomb fell , was my first day at St Anselms school, and came home to find our house badly damaged,my next day at school was in Chippenham Wiltshire,

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Mar-2014
    Well Bob, back in 2003 I made contact with Barry Brooker & he wrote :-

    "Yes, I do remember the incident you refer to. We were living in Regina road when the bomb fell, I think it might have been a (doodle bug ). It blew our windows out, and I know it killed people.

    Me and my brother Keith went down to see the damage, and I remember quiet clearly an old piano laying on its side, which we pl... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Mar-2014
    ours was ..nans much loved brought up with.sisters hubby 19 june 1944 fly bomb.5 houses taken out etc.heston..the airport fighters target..no body much to bury..off his bike on way to work age 60..he and brother somme Kaiser did not get him..hitler did..direct hit fly bomb.v1..heston church grave says 1944 his wife 30yrs later in and brother.in......their sons were away at war Europe..2 ladies sti... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 27-Mar-2014
    I remember Barry,always thought his thought his name was Booker. Also melting lead down, making clay moulds from canal bank, and building camps out of water tanks,and trying to avoid the Adelaide Rd gang,who used to cut through the alleys.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 28-Mar-2014
    Actually Bob, you may well be right about Booker
    as opposed to Brooker, I just cut & pasted it from my original notes, so if I put in the extra 'r' in the first place then that's my fault & the more I think about it, it's almost certainly Booker.

    By the way he lives most of the time in Florida now (I think it was) or some warm place in US. Though I of course never actually met him, we corres... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 31-Mar-2014
    Bob & Fred > > You mention two interesting things
    1: The street gangs. Gangs of kids were everywhere. Kids don't play in the streets like that these days in fact they get very little exposure to fresh air! 2: And yes, SO MANY West Londoners kids have emigrated to US/ Canada/ Australia etc. It is very sad to be the last one left of a community when all your chums and contemporaries have mov... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 31-Mar-2014
    Actually Keith, Barry said in his contact with me back in 2003 that he still lived in Southall but spent most his time in Florida (or wherever it was). I'm guessing his children lived there.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 1-Apr-2014
    I drove through Southall today. Town Hall up for rent. Main post office up for rent. Kings Hall up for sale. All very sad.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Apr-2014
    Bill-sad news indeed.These places have been landmarks for generations

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Apr-2014
    kings hall closed dec /jan 2013..methodists cant afford safety roof etc repairs 1912 built..huge place....3 horseshoes under threat...post office more than yr ago they moved work to hayes main pot office parcels etc..civic centre ealing is southall borough ealing council...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    kings hall sale board up.....town hall to be office space rented...post office small umits inside up for rent..still have not heard of northcote pub

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    Ah your back, remember going to Sunday school at Kings Hall in the 1950s, Southall really is changing now, we used to wait for the Flexmans or Valiant coach on Sunday mornings at the post office to go to Hastings or Eastbourne.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes wide pavement there that big corner post office along to kings hall..decline empty non use kings hall many yrs..Wesleyan Methodists...built 1912 ish...coaches also pick up outside odeon uxb rd..my nan went southend coach trip..50s

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    I can remember going to the Kings Hall from school to sing in the choir. Can't remember why but I think there were other school choirs there as well. This would have been in the 1950s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes many yrs sch gather concert choirs...huge building space..was used many yrs like that...lots southall kids and people remember it for that...salvation army ..musicians also had gather there and choir etc...50s 60s etc yrs

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    I also went to the King's Hall from SGS to sing in a choir in the early 1940's. I remember we practised for weeks, but can't remember for the life of me what it was in aid of. Also went to Sunday school there. Visited Southall Town Hall from our school for a tour and were shown the Coat of Arms of Southall when we were still in Middlesex, in the 1940's. The main Post Office in South Road was a lov... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    Carol i remember a big gathering of choirs at Kings Hall in the 1950s i think it was a competition between choirs.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    I can also recall a Sunday evening service being broadcast by the BBC from Kings Hall in the 1950s

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Denis - we obviously didn't win otherwise I would have remembered. I do remember it being a special occasion.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol - I can remember being at the Kings Hall taking part in the choir competition although my school (Dormers Wells) didn't win. Not sure what we sang but remember wearing my favourite green dress for the occasion, it was a hot summer's evening, the Hall was packed, the choirs were on the balcony and the heat rose up from the audience to what seemed like boiling point. It was a great relief ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes bbc tv did come to southall 50s...they also went to shackleton hall....2 teams southall sch kids age 10/11.....6 on each..top of the form..quiz..southall..broadcast...northcote pub...the car pk large area east of it right by it now new flats....rest waiting to see if going to be care home.....

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    It occurred to me Yvonne, that the ghosts of the "Northcote Arms" would be amazed to see their favourite watering hole being changed to a Care Home!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    would be funny to hear what they would say..so many used it so many yrs..local roads etc..ha...flats already on that side large car pk area..they used to use the 3 little alleys to Alexandra ave..weekend lunch time they loved friends..posh Saturday evenings all dressed up..buzzing with atmosphere of friends.1928.onwards.long yrs..local folk...uncle across rd used to pick one of his flower buds .in... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 2-Apr-2014
    Poor old Kings Hall, I was a cub and then a scout
    of 5th Southall King Hall Scout group. Went on many trips during the summer, but we had to go to Sunday School or we could not be a member. Sunday afternoon the place was packed.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Janice - you obviously remember a lot more than me about the choir competition. I was singing for Dormers Wells too. Also remember at Dormers Wells Senior the BBC came to film a fashion parade. It was on one of the early evening news type programmes but I never got to watch it as our TV went wrong just as it came on.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol, I remember that too. I believe it was for Simplicity patterns. Carol, what was your maiden name, we were probably there at the same time.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Lynette - I was Carol Rycraft and was at Dormers Wells from 1957 to 1961. I was sitting in the front row watching that fashion show.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    Yes, I agree Tom. It was poor old King's Hall. When I looked up in Google about the demise of King's Hall, and when it closed on 31st January 2013, it made me feel very sad when it said, "For the future,it is hoped that it will prove possible to retain some leased space in a re-developed building for worship purposes. In the meantime, the English congregation will meet at Hanwell Methodist Church ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol, I was there a bit later than you, 1960-64.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yes Pauline read that on google survey done by 2013.huge cost huge building to repair etc .from 1916 build..not really the Methodists southall..to get bus to hanwell...the primary school next door to kings hall since jan 2013 has offered their space use if any Methodists want prayer etc..

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    carol lyn myself there sept 1960..chris pudney was there just before us..july we saw stage show there gilbert Sullivan girls dressed moustache etc.gondaliers...morris head..gray secretary..ellis .evans..lewis..littler..Tattersall..Gabriel..fischel..chambers..douay..coutts..foot..prefects in corridor..head girl........dinner hut end back field..pe games short maynard bailey jones..eva jones...lowe ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Yes remember most of those teachers. Miss Littler was my form teacher, she taught English. Also, Miss Dwyer who taught arithmatic (as it was called then). She was a little lady who stood on tiptoe most of the time. Also Miss Pinkney who taught French and had a glass eye. We used to play her up something rotten and she left we never knew why?? I was in the netball team and relay team on sport... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Apr-2014
    Another aspect of Kings Hall has reurned to me.
    There were some council offices there. When I was demobbed from the RAF in Sepyember 1948, I had to go there to get my ration book etc.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yes a short teacher...littler English and scripture union..mrs short games..pinkney left..Tattersall took French.....lewis cookery big room right side..along to hall....all demolished yr ago...bbc came.june /july 1966.took 2 of us for interviews.jobs........6 houses..fry red ..nightingale yellow...darling blue..curie white cavell mauve..sobell green........which primary did you come from..many fr... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Apr-2014
    Michael, I also remember queuing up at the council offices in King's Hall for someone's ration books indoors. I can't remember who it was for, but I do know it seemed hours before it was my turn.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014
    I was in Nightingale. Remember all those teachers, also Mrs. Parker for shorthand. Have looked on line at the new Dormers, couldn't quite believe it.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yellow...nightingale...was cavell mauve..haz hockley sports captain hse badge....white was head girl badge....yes several places in google photos text ..new school 2 yrs in the building..2 tall high cranes were there..swim pool.sports centre..drama centre...IT..art etc..like colleges they are built 11 yrs old to 18...a levels..done there.gce..huge cost .millions..all the.senior schools were new bu... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    I was in Darling house.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    blue .dark blue.badges were also..darling .heroines..lots sport out on field relay baton..discus long jump high jump.javelin...we have just been to torvil dean ice show wembley 10000 of us .gt night was so very very good..we saw them there over 20yrs ago show they did bolero..more build Wembley amazing to see it all...wonderful show.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol..I was at Dormers 56 to 61. 'A' stream. I recall your name, I think. I remember all the teachers mentioned. Also the fashion show. Can you name a few class mates, it might help to jog my memory. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol. I was games captain of Darling House ....1960 I think.. Do you recall the entertainment at a Darling House meetings. There was a girl who used to play the accordion. Did you know MRS BOWLES recently passed away. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Chris - I was in "B" stream. People in my class were Jackie Roots, Lynne (Gwen) Kimmins, Edna James, Gwen Woods, Jackie Phipps, Jean Corkill - can't remember any more at the moment. What was your name?

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    chris will get to you...it is chris pudney was north rd primary before.....which primary did you go to....xx

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    I went to Dormers Wells Juniors - first Juniors when it was newly built. Before that I went to Tudor Road infants.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    went to dormers infants when 1st open yr 1954...then to juniors caretaker hse at front gate in..then seniors..know dormers lane well ha....tudor juniors caretaker lets you in holiday times many people decades have gone back to visit tudor rd.....juniors dormers we walked left side path..to field stream wood out back nature biology plants lesson.around back of playground......back playground junior... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014

    Remember all that in juniors. Played angel Gabriel in school play, Cath Mogg was Mary

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Mr Owen was my class teacher at Junior school. Every morning we had to line up with hands outstretched and he inspected them to see if they were clean. If not, then you got a ruler across your hands. Never happened to me though. Remember going on school trip to St Marys Bay.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol would that be Lady Margaret road junior school there was a teacher called Mr Owen when i was there in the late 1940s to the mid 1950.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol, I remember a school trip to St Mary's Bay. Every day trip they gave us jam sandwiches and when there was a dorm inspection we lost marks because there was a Smiths potato crisp salt packet under a bed.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Denis, maybe I got him name wrong? My teacher at Dormers Wells was Welsh and rode his bicycle to school every day. He wore those old fashioned bicycle clips. He was my favourite teacher at school (even though I obviously can't remember his name).

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Lynette - remember the miniature railway - all the engines had different names - and the oast houses. Every evening we played a game which I think was called boxball. I've never heard of it or seen it played since.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    Weston super mare on bbc tv national news now on..new pier..new seafront area..shops..and flats..new cinema leisure restaurants plan

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    denis several teachers moved to the new opened primary dormers after 1954..he could have..older spinster miss wright horrid moved to new infants 1954 from north rd.primary.front playground bell line up silence........I was mary nativity dormers infants parents came audience.gabriel etc.I was right front corner stage..blue outfit..joseph babe etc shepherds .etc..

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I think you may be right Yvonne as i left L.M.R in 1954 so it could fit in.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    yes they loved idea new school opened 1954.might be bit of promotion..miss wright was so very bad horrid person.3 yrs put up with her age 5.on..infants

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Glad I wasn't imagining Mr Owen. I don't remember any other teachers. Remember school dinners with two tables joined together. We were made to eat everything so things you didn't like we pulled the tables apart and dropped between them. Hated the cheese pie.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    If it is the Mr Owen i think he was a great teacher just before we left L.M.R juniors in 1954 he took us on a school trip to Sipson farm it was a baking hot day when we had been shown around the farm we whent to the barn & sat on straw bails then we were given ice cold Coka Cola to drink we had a super day out.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    denis farm sounds gt.......don't remember dinners infants juniors..remember playground...and clearly dinner hut back field dormers seniors ..prayer..rows tables each side..queue up cold winter wait for space..about 8 to table...queue lady dinner counter meat pie she cut out ..mash.veg..pink custard choc cake..if lucky..liver sometimes cabbage...sure owen and wright both left their juniors infants ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I have to say i really enjoyed school meals both at L.M.R & Dormers in the old canteen now gone

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    Yes that takes me back Yvonne queuing in the cold outside the canteen if i remember the canteen was split in half girls one end & boys the other end with the kitchen in the middle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I think school dinners were 3/6d a week then, seem to recall L.M.R had a dumb waiter to bring the dinners up from downstairs to the juniors in the hall upstairs it was on the side of the building in the quadrangle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    yes split dinner huts kitchen in middle...seniors cant remember cost...gave at class form morning time...taken to secretary office with registers done..2/6 5 bob..cant remember.........kitchen hut now nursery school entrance at Allenby rd.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Can't remember how much the school dinners were in the juniors but do remember I took money to school in a knotted hanky. Remember the maypole dancing and on sports day I was winning the running race when I fell over right by Mr Owen. Everyone ran past me and he was shouting get up and run, get up and run and so I did, overtook some and think I came about 3rd or 4th. Very disappointed as I was ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I was in Mr Owens class all the time i was in junior school at Lady Margaret Road, yes Carol you are right he was a super teacher.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    won a sports day race once age 6 ish won exercise book pencil and thing....yes maypole was good out on grass..right south side of infants school....we had lesson out on grass summer..head on desk end day infants 15 mins shut eyes before walk home

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 4-Apr-2014
    The 1959 film of Thirty Nines Steps with Kenneth More had a scene inside Kings Hall, I seem to remember.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol - Do you remember a little prayer that we all said in Tudor Road Infants at the end of the afternoon just before we went home.
    Hands together softly so
    Little eyes shut tight
    Father just before we go
    Hear our prayer tonight.
    I can still hear the tune to it i... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Pauline - vaguely remember that. I do remember doing some dancing at one time where we were in four groups and each group represented England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and did supposedly appropriate dancing for each one. Had to wear appropriate costume so it must have been for something special. I was representing Ireland and remember wearing a big green sash and green skirt.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can't remember a lot about Tudor road Infants. I can remember getting some plasticine stuck in my hair, and the teacher had to cut a lump of my hair off as she couldn't get it out. I think I kicked up a bit over that.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can't remember an awful lot about infant school either except I can remember puzzling over how to write the letter "S" and wanting to do some drawing and couldn't remember the word for drawing for some reason, so I asked if I could do some scribbling. Only other thing I remember is going home with another girl instead of getting the coach.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    we did country dance in school clothes grey skirt uniform dormers juniors in hall..sets of 4 of us...to 1960 yr left july age11.....photo of hall country dance juniors dormers in friends reunited school photos section...195/8/9 ish yr

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Apr-2014
    Lots of memories today, I remember the saint Mary's bay trip at LMS, the Romney Hyth and Dymchurch light railway was an unbelievable experience as the locals
    used this small railway to go to work. It's still running today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol - Do you remember the white cowrie sea shells (at least I think that's what they were called) that were first used in the Infants class at Tudor road for counting. I can see them as clearly as anything in my mind's eye. I've never seen them since, but have just found them on google.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    No Pauline I don't remember the seashells. Can only remember doing writing. Can remember the first hymn we learnt at school was "All Things Bright and Beautiful". Don't know whether that was at infants or juniors though.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Apr-2014
    Just sat here watching "have I got news for you" and they are taking the Mick out of the mist around the UK this week. I'm sure we can all remember the real London smogs we had to put up with as kids.
    Not allowed to play in the playgrounds on entering school, sent straight into the classrooms and no play times. Not for a couple of hours but days on end. The youth of today........

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    Tom i remember a smog 1953/54 i think it lasted about a week we all grouped about then the clean air act was introduced.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can remember smog in about 1962. I was working in Greenford and had to walk home along the Greenford Road. Couldn't see your hand in front of your face, couldn't see kerbs or anything.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    smog 62 great freeze 63..was bad times getting about,walking buses etc

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Apr-2014
    16th April 1951 the British submarine HMS Affray went missing with the loss of 75 lives. and was not found until 14th June. I mention it because I was at Western Road Primary school and in assembly we sang the hymn "For all in peril on the sea" . Now whenever I hear those words I am taken back to sitting cross legged in the school hall hearing about the Affray. Strange what events stick in the mem... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes and primary school is more difficult..seniors we had the big wood board.slot in hymn numbers at wall of stage .left side high with hymn number usually 3 figures...hymn bks..supplied by mcc...6 yrs we sang all of them really..so many we hear sunday we sang..yes rows sitting cross lef floor...he polished it for sept new open.yr..high shine floor sept annually..wood block..400 or so kids girls school.seniors

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    In Dormers Wells Seniors assembly in the morning was a competition between girls and boys, with a only a sliding partition between the two halls it was sometimes who could sing the loudest and drown the others out.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    Carol i remember that at Dormers.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    Bill its funny you mention the Affray i remember in Feb 1952 the struggle to save the Flying Enterprise cargo ship with a tug called Turmoil they fought for day to get it to safety in Devon it almost got there & then sunk i think all the nation followed the news

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    That should read days not day.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes only partition girls boys hall...both had double doors out back onto path of long row classes huts along.....1960 to 66 miss morris spinster older lady.headmistress 10yrs or so..there.....no competition..we never really saw the boys...it seemed like 2 far schools the way it was organised...she just had girls school east side and that was it...never seemed to be in back row ..by partition....gt... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Well we could see the boys occassionally and vice versa - in the playground we were not supposed to go any further than the dustbins as I remember. Going to assembly, you could see the boys doing the same opposite and could wave if you saw anybody you knew and the same going to the annexes. Other than that it was two separate schools. I think the boys could get the slipper or cane? but the girl... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes head offices by each other main front door only staff used their staircase up to their 2 staffrooms...funny ..6 yrs there hardly saw boys.ha..straight into classrooms..our corridors.hall..new science block.library art built far ..right ....boys far off to left west...just funny never really saw them..huge classes girls school..seemed loads of us.our field hockey ..relay javelin high jump etc.... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 5-Apr-2014
    I've just been having a 'catch up' and see that Yvonne mentioned the teacher Miss Wright. I was at North Road when Miss Ackrill was Headmistress. Miss Wright was my teacher in the infants class and on the first morning at school my mother, concerned in case I might be hungry before dinnertime, gave me a small bread and butter sandwich wrapped in greaseproof paper and told me to ask the teacher to ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Apr-2014
    Yes Janice. I had MISS WRIGHT in the infants and MISS HANVEY first year of juniors. I will never forget them. So strict ...cruel even. Miss HANVEY made me stay late on the last day of term to practice my hand writing. Whilst doing this MRS FELTS came into the classroom and MISS HANVEY told mrs Felts in a very loud voice that I was lazy and would never be as clever as my sister. How wicked. ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    I don't remember ever being hit with a ruler or anything else. Worst teacher I ever had was the infamous Miss Evans - that's if you can call her a teacher as she never taught anybody anything, she just intimidated and terrorised them. I think I had a pretty easy time at school really.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    I went to Tudor Rd school infants until Dormers was built. I hated it there and spent a lot of time crying. It seemed so far from home, the prefabs, going there on a coach, waving bye to my mum. When Dormers opened, I loved it. Could walk to school, sit outside in the summer for lessons and juniors was just as good. Miss Parker was lovely and I was sad to leave. Dormers senior was ok and yes, Miss... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Lynette - we must have gone on the same coach to Tudor Road school. I went straight into the first year of juniors at Dormers Wells.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    Carol, we must have been on the same coach. Dormers was so different from Tudor Road. Where did you live in the prefabs. I lived Osborne Rd, off Flemming. Did you know Pat and Christine Kimmins, also Anne Lawrence? Next to the Kimmins was the Williams family.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Apr-2014
    What a shame you hated dear old Tudor Road school Lynette. I started there when I was 5 years old in 1936 and was living at Bankside by the side of the canal. I used to walk there with a few children who were older than me. I went to Junior school there from Northcote Avenue, on the large council estate during the war, and absolutely loved it. I can understand you feeling unhappy so far from home ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Lynette - I was friends with Lynne (Gwen) Kimmins who lived in Faraday Road. Still in touch with her. She was a cousin to Pat. I lived in second parade right down on the Greenford Road end. I used to walk to Dormers (Juniors) across the Golf Links. I loved it there.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 5-Apr-2014
    Hi Chris, I had similar experience as you. During one Parents Evening, my mother spoke to Mrs Hanvey about my brother who could do no wrong in her eyes, it seemed. During the course of conversation Mrs Hanvey suddenly realised my brother had a sister named Janice and said in a very loud voice "Janice, Janice Johnson is his sister?" I was such a numbskull in her eyes.

    Hi Carol, I lived in Farada... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Don't know what number Faraday Road but it was on the corner at the Longridge Lane end.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    My sister lived on Faraday Road, no. 12. She moved there around 1966-7. The Bartons lived in the house before, a family of boys.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    Janice...chris and I think wright came to new open dormers infants 1954to 1957 yrs..etc...from north rd.....awful cruel etc...talking she kept on about etc..elderly spinster brown clothes boot shoes sch marm.......must have retired in 60s 70....did gazette say she retired from dormers infants...thanks...yes evans Ofsted would have sacked her 1st week morris covered up for her over10yrs..she retire... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Apr-2014
    HANVEY, WRIGHT & EVANS.....all left us with bad memories. We must remember there were more good teachers than bad. Like life. I believe there are more nice people in this world than bad. Good teacher who come to mind. North Road..Mr Russell, Mrs Felts, Miss Gregson, Mr Hancock. Dormers ...Mrs Bowles, Miss Litler, Miss Dobing, Mrs Parker, just to name a few. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes good people quiet .and not notice...the few small %.trouble ones notice more a bit effect lives feelings but never mind......yes fischel lewis.ellis chambers coutts foot etc good at dormers .parker at juniors good.....but evans wright came from earlier 20th century when I was talking to a teacher about things and seeing tv films have seen that they came from horrendous schools upbringing.them... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Apr-2014
    Blimey . And i thought Nuns were bad .

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Apr-2014
    Miss Evans - do you remember she used to say at beginning of lesson "what am I thinking" or "what is today". When nobody could answer we sat in silence through the whole lesson - or she would pick on somebody and bully them if they couldn't answer. I got sent out of the classroom once, can't remember why, but stood in corridor for whole lesson rather than in class. What a waste of time, unbelie... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Apr-2014
    BOB. Miss EVANS at Dormers taught RE....she should have been kind and caring but she was EVIL. No-one had a good word for her. How she got away with it I will never understand. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Apr-2014
    Yes Carol I think she started most lessons like that. She seemed to delight in making people cry. As I said, an EVIL HORRID person. I was put out in the corridor once because I dared to challenge her. Got me nowhere, but I tried. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    glad you challenged her chris..well done..morris covered up for her morris born haversfordwest west wales went back died there at retire..1955 to 1967 evans there.must be..4 yrs A stream we suffered her..exact those words carol...so..hundreds lessons kids she did same thing every hr..never mixed with staff stayed in that room of hers..she got more more insane mad....lyn..one kid front row tried to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    gert evans..welsh origin...Dorothy morris .welsh .1967 .65 yrs old ish..born.1900s..came from.eccentric.edwardian upbringing and bad schools.in those long yrs...evans would NOT have gone to teacher training college...she hated kids..none social with adults..Wesleyan religion upbringing probably and got her job in teaching..silent lessons ..to all classes .over 10yrs..money for old rope payed her r... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Apr-2014
    I think the girls who got sent out of the classroom were the ones she knew she couldn't get to.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    yes makes sense carol...so many yrs most of her life she had that stupid bad brain...Ofsted so good sack immediately

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 6-Apr-2014
    At Dprmers Wells in particular, one cruelty was practised by a few teachers by using poorer children as punishment. For example, there was one lad who always wore the same shabby clothes, always had a sniff, slightly smelly and was put in a desk by himself. Whenever another child misbehaved they were made to sit next to this lad as punishment. It happened to me one time and I found that he was a k... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 6-Apr-2014
    Janice, never experienced that when I was at school but still all girls then. Though was not unhappy there, wanted to leave to earn money, a bit more than a pound that I got for my Saturday job. Enjoyed most teachers but Miss Evans was horrible. Really learnt nothing in the four years I had her.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    very sad Janice was that dormers juniors...long increase improve schools mainly..special needs pastoral..extra staff ..for problems..it works well in c of e senior school I worked 32 yrs..more modern times.........1940s 50s war and its problems..country was poor.needed more understanding of kids sensitive quiet shy trying to cope with many things not of their fault..not to be treated bad as well n... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Apr-2014
    I'm afraid Janice that this cruelty didn't just apply to Dormers Wells. I can remember during the war and we were in a classroom at Tudor Road which was in the hut in the playground. This was in the Juniors. There was a distinct smell of 'pee' in the hut, and Miss Rumming our teacher wanted to know where this smell was coming from. We all knew where it came from, but the teacher went around the en... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    Pauline..terrible Pauline..1940s as if war itself was not bad enough...30s bad also..spoke to teachers and they said.it was a slow.change from..the very old ways..of just some so called teachers..they had come from way back when bully side of it was why some joined the profession.a kick out of being a bully...they had come from that life themselves when young....but...it can be today in some.urban... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Apr-2014
    awkward getting site today.....unless my old old computer..ha..gt Australia newzealand today 3 weeks..close up photos google George 2 bottom teeth knitted white cardy,,says crawling teething..active alert as always..gt red outfit kate.gt tour items..3 weeks 24 hr plane home..43 yr old Spanish nice nanny

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Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
I just wanted to say Colin that you first mentioned that what you would come up with in your Full Archive may not be very elegant. Well, I can disagree with that because the Knowhere Archive is extremely elegant, plus it's much easier to access than our usual site, as when we use one set of dates in which we are interested, the dates turn red, so it's much quicker to get it again. Every Link that ... more >>   
  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Mar-2014
    Thanks for your kind words Pauline. I'm working on the section on R.J. Meads books at the moment, I should have the first one "Growing Up with Southall" finished by tomorrow in PDF format. I do already have websites for each book, but they do not always work properly and leave out sections of pages for some reason I do not understand.
    Will post a message when first book is ready to download from the new site.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
    Will look forward to it Colin. R.J. Mead's books are excellent.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2014
    have so much enjoyed colin your norwood green this weekend 1960s...then yr 2000..so special so lovely ..big thankyou..very sepecial indeed...local history society Ruislip..has been going so many yrs like many 1930s..local people meeting evenings once week village hall...Hillingdon etc...so nice now computer virtual meetings chats ..nostalgia heritage info..with like minded people..of common intere... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
    Sorry, I should have said R.J. Meads books!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 2-Mar-2014
    Growing Up with Southall is now uploaded, ignore the message on the home page saying that the R.J. Meads page is not working and just click on the link at the top of the page.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    lovely thanks colin..all your gt work much appreciated by all of us.huge gratitude

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thank you Colin. Except I can't load R.J. Meads now. I can click on the links now for the others now OK. Can somebody paste a link on here please so I can get to it. Thanks.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 2-Mar-2014
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page2.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thank you

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    "Growing Up With Southall" is one of R.J. Meads books that once you start reading it you can't put it down. It's great to have all these treasures linked together thanks to you Colin.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    yes meads is good..he.died 1982 lifetime southall....carol...digging digging in google..index...found couple info

    http://www.origins.net/help/aboutbo-LondonBurials-mdx-parishes.aspx

    st john king st southall..number burials figure.1860 to 1866 ..264........
    st mary norw green...1783 to ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    carol....in google......hayes parish.was also southall..green...
    church book page date ,,name age sometimes address

    st john king st 1860 to 1946
    st mary norwgree..1813... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    good read by coulter of southall in google..
    and war etc info.etc local hist books..in google...
    http://southallbackwhen.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?orderby=updated

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thanks Yvonne - so helpful as usual. Just been reading/skimming through Mr Mead's book - fascinating. What a wonderful piece of local history.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    Yes, R.J. Meads book is a wonderful piece of history. Even when I've read this book before, I wondered whatever time the young boys in the family had to leave in the morning to take their father's breakfast and dinner over to him at the Windsor road building site as well as going to school!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    mr meads 1906 and yrs..kids school etc..my aunt born 1914..they had to do work for pennies to help her mum..before school.the common canal.southall northhyde..depot there.they worked..fish barrow they cleaned cold hands very early mornings...etc..then go off to Featherstone rd boys school western rd girls school.afterwards.,gdad born along there 1890..kids worked helping the labourers brickmaking.... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    Britain from above photos 1937 in google...so close clear of canal ,,spikes bridge .municipal pk..etc..houses etc..so much individually can see there..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    I find it amazing that there is so much detail about costs of things and wages. 54 hour week when you left school and then give three quarters of wages to your mum. I know when I first went to work I got £3.10s.0d a week and of that I gave £2.00 to my mum. I thought I was hard done by. Are the original houses in Cambridge Road still there or are they new buildings? I worked in the parade of... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    I started work at 14 in 1945 and my first wage was £1-09d. Out of this I had to put by my bus fares to Greenford by the Western Avenue roundabout and give some to my mum. I don't remember how much, but I still thought I was rich with what I had left. That was the only wage I can ever remember earning.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    meads born about 1906 yrs around then died 1982 ish....overtime.in.30s 50s.my southall family found the extra hrs long hrs was essential pay the bills.....labourers strikes 30s .union.s..get low wage peoples wages better...hard work long hrs.hard conditions.seasonal work often..only......50s 60s etc.glad to get overtime to pay hp..on bits furniture etc needed

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    street view in google is good for Cambridge rd....showmystreet.com.........goes out onto south rd..few different shops of those little parades there.....but going into high..st uxbridge rd..servis home electrics shop by .George dragon pub demolished..we have 1956 photo of...put southallboard into google.....parade changed type of shops...coffee along..abbotts along..new tall office block near whit... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    In the Southall Miscellany it says Richard James Meads was born on 26th July 1904 and died in 1988 shortly before his 84th birthday.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 2-Mar-2014
    HI Carol;
    I too worked at Home electrics in South Road in the Service Dept at the Rear. I remember Bob Ellis,Eric Eastman, Bob Perry Fred Hood, Harry Golding, Peter Golding. I first worked for Home Electics at there Greenford Shop, I was with Ted George TV Aerial Erecting. Until 1952 when I was called up for National Service. happy Days.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    that's lovely Pauline gt to know.detail...so the.old photo of old servis home electrics high st moved probably to south rd...radios etc..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Oh yes Dennis, I remember the Goldings. Mr Golding was the boss and he had one or two sons I think. May be wrong.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Somewhere in South Road opposite that parade of shops - does anybody remember there being a furniture shop? If so, where exactly was it?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    the palace cinema..opposite....right north side of cinema...think furniture etc..several yrs..webbs was it..in photos webs by..there ...got 9 interior photos of Chinese oriental palace gaumont cinema south rd by coles dragons huge at oriental roof listed heritage building today.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    1961 and yrs photo....on our board tonight..webbs furniture right north side of palace called then odeon cinema south rd....west side..so across the rd....red letter box..on east side opposite.with.bank corner...parades shops..south rd.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 2-Mar-2014
    Clifton Brown was the department store opposite the cinema in South Road, and I think they sold furniture too. It was Clifton Brown in South Road and Clifford Evans, another department store, in Southall Broadway,

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes lovely phyl clifton brown.furniture.......Clifford evans broadway 1950s later on became Edmunds.south side after butlers..going along.....best wishes phyl big thankyou to you..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    phyl...1960s photo..of webbs..right side of palace odeon cinema south rd ..north side next to cinema..what did webbs sell....thanky ou..all good wishes to you and yours...st mary now online..nice page web..in google..saw.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    our famous Clifton brown southall so many yrs....
    http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/s/t/r/Celia-Strachan/index.html

    1800s somerset.timber .coopers.
    1900 2 were publicans ..1 moved to London
    one became shop assista... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Furniture shop - whatever it was called. I can remember going every week with my mum going upstairs with a book to pay in money to save up for a certain piece of furniture - can't remember what it was. A bit like HP but paying in every week before you actually brought anything. Bit like a savings club I suppose. Seems really strange now.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Did there used to be a cake shop next to Woolworths?

    Does anybody remember there being a photographer outside Woolworths, stopping people to take their photo? I had mine taken when I was 7 which seems out of character for my mum to have it done, but I have the evidence of me standing outside Woolworths with old fashioned prams in the background.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    The ABC restaurant was next door to Woolworths but don't remember any photographers in my time.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    I remember going in the ABC with mum i always had ice cream.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    the shops high streets locally...50s 60s...was a thing of gazette photographer..standing..if you had luck to be chosen for gazette .your photo went in outside shops..£5...1970 my aunt and me were photographed..in post got large b/w photo of us .5inch by 5 inch ish...yes hp..50s 60s ..nearly all used..pay weekly..drapers also for stuff...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    what was the name of the well known toy shop king st...post office was there...thanks..40s 50s 60s.....

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Another shop - I think in King Street - called Meyers Greengrocers. Just round the corner from that shop is a sign saying Liptons. I have two photos of family members taken at almost the same spot, one of my maternal grandmother and one of my dad's sister - both taken before my mum and dad got together. They are on opposite side of road to shop called Meyers and walking down the road opposite, ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    lovely carol..we will try manage to see your photos sometime...hope to find a way......
    .toy shop king st south side opposite what became woolworths ..toys Rodgers...divanies......old post office and other shops along.......kihg st

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    Was it the Havelock Arms Carol?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Pauline - I always did think it was the Havelock but when I look at the building on Google now it doesn't look anything like it. Maybe they changed the outside of it? The Havelock always was a popular pub with my family.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    Havelock pub became betting office couple yrs ago..same façade though.north side by rd to cemetery.opposite old st john church king st..........along further going east along by woolworths became..was black dog pub became religion now demolished...big white swan..on corner ..regina rd norwood rd area.now religion centre many yrs........king Prussia became victory pub..now victory hotel on corner ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    Meyers on corner our old photo is opposite corner to Havelock pub shiny tiles Victorian Edwardian pub architecture..façade kept but 2 yrs now been betting office inside

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Thank you. Such a shame the old windows and tiles have gone. I don't like what they have done with the inside of St John's either.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    new 1907 st john..had refurbish couple yrs ago..ceremony opening .heavy exterior high walls of new st john.....church ave..photos in google bright deep blue modern inside..........old st john king st ..got covered in ivy many many yrs old tombs..been locked up many yrs.1837 built.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    in google sites Havelock pub...2 photos go on southallboard windows..low around shiny tiles.edwardian..says 2012 apr closed ..old saloon bar trying to keep as pub rest Ladbroke betting office inside kept façade..corner .king st.board 7 photo....37 king st...show my street.in google... van camera july 2012 ish..would show it..in google...side photo good shiny tiles..walking along to cemetery .gate... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    There was also Lodges toy & book shop in King st. nearly across from Woolworths.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    lovely thanks denis....they think toy shop near top lady marg rd 1960s .was devines
    Ruislip rd going across

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    The only toy shop at the top of Lady Marg. Road i can think of was just after Hillside Road in the long block of shops & flats, they also sold domestic appliances to.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    I have 1960s photo of Devines in Lady Margaret Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    thanks denis..1960s.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    Carol does it show where at the top of L.M.R.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    It was opposite the block of flats. Three blocks of flats.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Opposite Neal Avenue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes hillside is nearly opposite neal..so yes that parade shops...east side ..gt you two...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    Yes Carol we are talking about the same shop, it is now an Asian motor car parts store.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Next door to Devines on the left hand side was a cafe I think.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    I think you are right, it is now a posh Asian restaurant, there was another newsagent/toy shop across from Kenilworth Grdns. stairs ran up the side to the flats at the back.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Just been looking at shops on Google and studying my photo. Looks like the shop that was Devines is now City Toys and next door to the left is Casa Gino Cafe.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    I remember the newsagents but couldn't tell you exactly where it was in that parade of shops.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes gino 484 lady marg rd.on map carol...south to right..is Lahore spice restaurant..all along east side today in google..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 3-Mar-2014
    I have now added Richard Meads second book "The Maypole and Southall Green" to the website. You may need to "refresh" the RJ Meads page before it will appear in your browser.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    Thanks Colin. By tapping Control and Plus twice it comes up much darker. Looking forward to reading it all.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    maypole good thanks cousins granddad worked there many yrs.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Colin - Looks brilliant, you are clever. I can get straight onto it now. Don't know what is different. Thanks for your hard work.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes thanks colin so much.......2 names similar .....so king st...opposite.lodges...is devaneys ,next door to hardy electricala..timothy whites..taylors chemist..kings st..so nice to know.lucky grateful for names...king st last but one.cycle shop..hardy cycles..later the post office moved next to dadeks bakery..nice to have memories.good people who remember

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    My mums aunt owned La roundys (not sure of spelling) tool shop across from the black dog

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Mar-2014
    The ABC was next to Woolies in The Broadway, and my friend Sheila Iddenden will remember her Mum's friend, who we called Aunt Rose, taking us both there for ice cream, which was served in a little silver dish. We thought we were the cat's whiskers! Re King Street shops, my husband's Uncle and Aunt owned the tobacconist/sweetshop (I think may still be called King's)there for many years before they retired.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes silver dish phyl...kings was well known name at kings st..kings the printers..going back in time.long time ago.at king st.office of kings printers.... and also high st southall uxbridge rd gazette.kings printers

  • Re: Colin's Archive by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yes phyl I remember her well she had no childrenand would spoil me , one day she took me to DHEvans in london for afternoon tea not the sort of thing our family could afford to do i also remember going to the abc and my mum used to order milk and a dash very posh back then..phyl we were lucky children both of us were spoilt but well brought up nither of us wanted for anythingt

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Mar-2014
    I think the full name was King & Hutchings the printers of Uxbridge.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    In Richard Mead's book he tells the story about William Gardiner who was tried for murder twice and then moved to Southall and opened a shop. Does anybody know what shop it was?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2014
    This reminds me of a murder,I think on the 1950's. A couple lived in the flat over a cafe adjacent to the Gem cinema. During a quarrel the man killed his wife!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes denis .old photo high st uxbridge rd 1900s poster kings printers.....soutall gazette became....CAROL..in google William gardiner southall........Suffolk murder rose harsent .1902...gardiner moves to southall..shop..corner queens rd Hartington rd southall green west side 1902 yrs.
    http://www.everything2.com/title/The+Peasenhall+Mystery

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    http://murderrevisited.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/murder-in-peasenhall.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    married with 6 kids....http://unsolvedmurderuk.wikispaces.com/Rose+Harsent
    1911 census would have him at the shop.if anybody pays ancestry for the image page..to see copy details...
    oates librarian ealing written lots books local murders..and local history..it will be in them..talks at ealing library every yr also...
    rillington place 1950/3.john Christie was uxbridge southall between wars arres... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    Ipswich trial 1903...http://en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/William-Gardiner-(clergyman)

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    William dark beard hair drawings in court..scroll and use arrow bar slide drawings etc there..
    http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/faces-in-court-1893-1918-drawings-of-william-hartley-from-new-scotland-yards
    rose harsent .and William gardiner is the next one.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2014
    On a happier note, I loved the tale in R.J. Meads book when a Miss Hancock kept a Ladies' Wear shop in King Street for quite a few years. She thoroughly objected to the Male sex stopping to look at her display of Ladies' underwear etc. in her window that she would shoo them away with threats of a bucket of water thrown over them to cool their ardour - and has done so from the upstairs window!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    free 1914 post office directory in google..William George gardiner 63 Hartington rd southall green....google says shop corner queens rd and Hartington rd...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    map has ..numbers Hartington..one to 46 onwards ..with 63 being up at corner with queens rd...number 1 is in the opposite far end,,,

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    1911 census shows William Gardiner living at 63 Hartington Road - same address in Electoral Roll in the 30s. In 1911 it says he was a carpenter. Son Ernest worked as a Porter on the railways. He had another two children after moving to Southall. At least three of the children were married at St Johns.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes on address roads section of post off directory 1914...63 is shop keeper...probably general shop 1914....one to 63 north side.hartington rd as meets queens rd..says shop keeper will George gardiner...his wife georgina..she gave him aliby at trial.said in bed night...but fire newspaper blood knife loads said will guilty letter written to girl who had lovers was 6 mths pregnant .got murdered.cut ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    gt..1914 says 63 shopkeeper will gardiner..you got georgina as wife......junction queens rd..north side of Hartington.is 63.......1911 carpenter..1903 was trial..think he was guilty from the 4 articles sent you trial etc..forensic today would prove..gt to have electoral roll good

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    1911 yrs southall green etc..brickmaking fields loads rows rows houses being built factories growth town..loads worked wood houses windows roof etc.carpenters.plasterers bricklayers labourers..so yes....his wife 1911 /1914..63..shop..may have kept eye on shop small open.......number rooms often 4 rooms on your 1911 census page.image page says..train suppose they came to southall..burials be Havelo... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yes Georgiana was his wife. His full name was William George Last Gardiner and he died in 1941 aged 73. Georgiana died in 1949 aged 81.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Census page says there were 6 rooms

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    In 1911 there were 5 children at home. Oldest daughter had married and two other girls were in Suffolk with aunt/uncle.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    loads on genes reunited doing his family tree..1878/9 born peasenhal Suffolk.....63 post office says William...georg...gardiner shop keeper 63 ...could refer to wife georgina.1914.shopkeeper share him seasonal work carpenter.......my gdad s brother had sweet shop northhyde terrace end house but used front sache window 1890s 1900s...as was fashion..home plus sell out of front.section...small 3 room terraced place...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    gt lovely carol...yes post office said George his middle name oh 2 girls left with aunt Suffolk...5 kids none dead 1911 so good says yrs married kids died..so his marriage yr Suffolk...oldest.married with him.she could help with shop..yes 6 rms..end terrace bit extra room space..5 at home...think cut throat girl was carrying his 6mth baby womb..ernest walk to southall station across rd porter..191... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Son Ernest William Gardiner in 1939 was living at 4 Belmont Avenue with second wife Eva Caroline. First wife died I think in childbirth - they had two children both died. Then Ernest and Eva had three children, all born in Southall. Ernest started work on the railway when he was 14. Railway record.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    lovely 1939 getting to modern times...many towns of country..would be 2014 family.continue......but southall and around unique 1960s and going going..huge population of families roots southall and by 1970 most so many gone..pity.......only male carries surname..if they are middx Northolt etc..Hillingdon..genes reunited loads doing tree..but some may be because well known murder case......seasonal ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    lovely so he was only little bit south of them..by western rd montague Waltham rd junction..sad 1st wife....our one same..pre age30 died southall green childbirth after having few children...age 14 rail..1911 porter..perhaps he stayed as that.born Suffolk.1898 yrs.ish ......age 22 William age23/4 /5..at trail..murder cut throat 6 mth pregnant says.permiscuous girl of lovers..Ipswich court...ernest... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes few doing tree ernest born peasonhall Suffolk 1893..sylvia Andrew..1897/8 ipswich.which would be the reg dist..ernest by a few others..sad time..hard for the family..but busy life southall.ern about 8/9 /10 yr old at trial

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    1964 still living at Belmont Avenue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - I was only looking into the family as just curious to see whether any of my lot were connected but they are not. Interested to see where they were living and what he did afterwards.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    1964 that's gt ..they are the yrs now many most moving out...ern born 1897ish.so he may be passing now..good family best wishes to them..sad start...many of the southall families married across to others.local.so names known by many..neighbours friends workmates etc..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    http://www.everything2.com/title/The+Peasenhall+Mystery

    at the end says gardiners wife georgina cut throat of 6mth pregnant girl in jealousy..81 years old georgina lived to.southall.green..1949.
    forensic today would have found out who did it 1902....film by author historian Julian fellows of fame...said georgina..investigates series he did

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Says he took over a grocers shop

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    was my guess grocers so popular needed that complex terrace hses rds..said general store as my guess...gt thanks.....Clarence st had famous sweet shop..and general store.many yrs half way along road in terraced houses long row..148 etc some roads had hse numbers

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    kew archive online southall green..sales..1912.63/61 Hartington rd sale .6 rooms could be 2 lots 3 rooms terrace or not..corner area..north side..he may take on by 1911 then buys it 1912 or......1906 aug sales of section terraces Clarence st..and spencer st..usually rented from the owners,,sometimes the builders or brewers if near pub..
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    several links in google.so much written...his handwritten letter to her there.to see. put light on at 12 .midnight will come then..twice jury could not agree.that he cut the throat half burnt body.6mths pregnant..william1902 carpenter at small factory Suffolk.6 kids..choirmaster at Methodists.
    http://www.trialrun.com/pop-ups/pop-up_indicators/d-6.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Mar-2014
    Re Devaneys in the King St ,only one half of the shop was toys the other half was a sports shop ie everything to do with football ,cricket, fishing tackle.and bait, guns and knives.tennis rackets.and do the repairs,you name it, he had it,how he ever found anything, was a mystery.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    Whereabouts exactly was Devaneys Bob? I'm sure I have seen it in King Street but can't remember where.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Mar-2014
    My dad-a keen angler-used to buy his tackle at Devaneys-and if I remember rightly,maggots?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Mar-2014
    Next door but one to the chemist that was on the corner of Hammond Road

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    Thank you Denis.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    There is a piece on page 51 of R.J. Meads book about William Gardiner. It states that he was the grandfather of the Wilmot family.Mrs. Wilmot was well-known for her help and care for others as a St. Johns Nurse, and Ernie founded a Coach and Car Hire Service which, unfortunately, had to be sold up due to his bad health.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - Ettie May Gardiner was William's oldest daughter. She married Charles Ernest Wilmot and had two sons and two daughters. Ettie and husband in 1911 were living at 85 Dudley Road with oldest daughter Daisy aged 4. 1915 army records for her husband shows they were living at 18 Hartington Road and 1936 Electoral Roll still living there. Ettie died in 1965 and husband died in 1927.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Mar-2014
    In 1911 husband Charles Ernest Wilmot - think he called himself Ernest - was a Baker van man working for a confectioners. Dudley Road they were living in 3 rooms. Their son Ernest in 1961 was living at 75 Sussex Road and son Eric in 1964 living at 99 Scotts Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Mar-2014
    Just remembered chemist Timothy White & Taylors.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 5-Mar-2014
    If I remember the tackle shop was opposite the manor grounds. Bought all my tackle there, the old boy behind the counter was a Charlie Day. Who knew every fishing spot in the area.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 5-Mar-2014
    Timothy ,Whites ,and Taylors was on the corner of Hammond Rd, Devaneys was next door,Yes selling Maggots of various colours, large barrels of hemp outside then Hardys electrical, then Home and Colonial,these were opposite Platts the butchers and Platts groceries. and Lilly and Skinner, shoes
    Then the Davis brothers from Regina rd, who owned a greengrocers shop next door to Mullingers fish . bough... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    Re Ernest Wilmot,
    I worked for Wilmot's for a while, and enjoyed every minute of it. Started me out on a driving career.

    It's a shame he suffered ill health, liked him and his family.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Picture of Wilmots coach on Flickr

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2014
    Hi Graham . I can remember the registration No of one of Wilmots cars, FLM 777. and the driver was Hugh Ritchie. Wilmots was tops.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Photo on Flickr is FLM 514B

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    That's right Carol, I did drive that one for a while, before I went onto the 52 seater with double steering.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    Have seen a picture of MMT144C the 52 seater somewhere, languishing in a yard waiting to be scrapped, Sad to see.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2014
    I don't know whether this piece I read is of any use as you have probably seen it already. The MMT144C & DJH731F were being talked about and LesD's Pics said: I don't think MMT went to Cavern City Tours. She was a Vega Major and I think she may have ended her days in the field at Penrhiwpal? Somebody will know!

    Bedford Val 2000 said: Mmt was broken up at penrhiwpal, never went to Liverpool. I... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 7-Mar-2014
    Yes, MMT was Wilmot's and DJH was Fox's Coaches, which I believe finished up, as you mentioned, on Cavern Tours.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Mar-2014
    Graham - I asked LesD's Pics this morning if there was a picture of MMT 144C, and he has just replied :

    Type MMT 144C in the Flickr search box near the top of your page (leave gap after MMT and it will load three pictures in various conditions. The one by Wactonbus was taken near Cardigan school.

    I haven't managed to get it yet!!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Mar-2014
    I've got it!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 7-Mar-2014
    Thx for that Pauline, had seen the one at the school, but not the one in the yard.
    Shame that, wish I had had the money to preserve it,
    very fond memories of that coach, did a lot of miles in it. And as I recall never let me down.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thanks carol.she married Wilmot....so famous coaches..yes flickr..and southallboard .use index and lovely photos pop up..will be back on site next week we have both been lung infection.phlem.so bad strongest antibiot.so if you get it in the throat get antibiot traight away before it goes to lungs.coughing .day night.takes ages to go..no food or cup tea .tasting is bad..scare could not breath durin... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - sorry you have been so ill, hope you are feeling better now. Wondered what had happened with no posts from you. Access to Ancestry so if you want any more info then let me know.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    lovely carol thankyou...yes clearing a bit now.everybody take care..no winter frost ice to kill germs the strain is so thick dense.mild weather winter...gt by Pauline denis bob.everybody.gt info have read thanks.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Does anybody remember O.R. Rycraft Transport in Southall. Think they operated from Park Avenue. Photo here:
    http://www.na3t.org/road/photo/HuG0482-d3

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    Glad you are both feeling better.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thanks denis..kind of you .we are on the mend.he is impatient fed up coughing phlem.but it will go...you take care....rycraft family southall in google...boy born 1949..elder born uxbridge reg dist earlier yrs..deaths etc.southall..later yrs

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yes Yvonne lots of Rycrafts in Southall - my family

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    lovely.carol.park ave known by most of us.....but mike may have known of rycraft vehicle transport there

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    There was also another transport firm in Southall J.H. Moore i think they were in Oswald Road, the last time i saw one of there trucks was in Nelson Lancashire in 1964.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 8-Mar-2014
    My father in law Tom Mayo worked for Moore's for years. Thought the world of him. A family run business, I think they were all brothers.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yes Tom my mum whent to school with one of the Moore children.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    yes Oswald photo
    of 2 of them in flickr..he named cab after family..Shirley can be seen.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    yes think bros..50s 60s photos

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Mar-2014
    As I had a job finding the coach that Graham used to drive, given by LesD's Pics, I am putting in how I found it in case anybody hasn't managed to find it yet. As you can guess I am no expert on this!

    Type "LesD's pics 18 months ago" in Google, and up will come several headings. Click twice on
    "First of Many/Flicker/Photo sharing", and you will get a Flicker page with a coach on it and a Sear... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2014
    thanks Pauline will try..appreciate

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    When I was looking at that lovely photo of South Road on our first Southallboard, it reminded me of walking through Hamilton road (opposite what used to be the Palace) when I went to Southall County school. Clifton Brown was further along, but I seem to remember an Estate Agents on the corner, or near the corner of Hamilton road. Does anybody else remember it or is it just in my imagination?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Mar-2014
    Pauline would the estate agent be Austin Farr, it was between the Three horseshoes & the corner of Hamilton Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    1950s etc webbs furniture store right side of palace..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    Yes, I believe it was Denis. How wonderful of you to remember it. So I didn't imagine it? Austin Farr that was it! Thank you.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Mar-2014
    Yes the estate agents was Austin Farr (later Farr Bedford), I can still remember going to the office round the back to pay the rent on the lock-up garage I had from them, this would have been in the 1970's. The rent office eventually moved to their other premises at Hayes End near the Adam and Eve pub.The manager developed a nice side line in letting garages out that had been vacated for cash in h... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Mar-2014
    Thats right Colin i remember it changing its name to Farr Bedford.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    My goodness, the IRA in Hayes End. My relatives were all living around that area in the 1970's.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    1984/5 yrs around then ira streetcar bombed ealing broadway whsmith...by what was many yrs hippodrome cinema.on north side there......I was there 1985 queen came to open new shop mall.south side..unveil horse statue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Mar-2014
    The IRA incident happened much later in April 1992, I remember it well because the garage was in a block at the back of Western Court in Western Road where I lived at the time and remeber getting home from work to see all the police searching the garage. They found explosives and bomb-making equipment, plus a motor-bike with false plates. We had seen two men over the previous few months tking thin... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    In 1992, the IRA detonated a bomb at London Bridge Railway Station injuring 29 people. I hadn't realised, or perhaps forgot, that there were numerous attacks in 1992.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    thanks yes... quite a lot about 1992 in google..
    luck found gt photos..with rare Victorian chemist photos haven green along from station so many yrs...antique chemist shop and shop front windows tall blue jars etc...d l lewis.here..ealing ..
    http://londonpostcodewalks.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/w5-something-for-everyone-a-comedy-tonight/

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    All I can say is thank goodness we've still got our photos on our Southallboards which remind us of the Ealing we remember, and which I prefer!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Mar-2014
    nice ealing broadway ones there...yes
    and west ealing

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Mar-2014
    Yes, Austin Farr merged and became Farr Bedford around 1966(ish). What happened to them? They had an office in Greenford Broadway too, just up from Red Lion and House of Bewlay. So many of the shops in Greenford were "independents", but I remember a "MacFisheries" (where the fishmongers ALWAYS wore wellington boots), on the other side of the road near Sainsburys and Woolworths

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Mar-2014
    In fact, the ONLY reference to Farr Bedford that I can now find on the internet is an enormous office block called Farr Bedford House, at Hercies Road, Hillingdon

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Mar-2014
    Yes Keith, I'd forgotten about the fishmongers in MacFisheries in Southall high street wearing their wellington boots. There was a lot of ice and water about in the fishmongers in those days on their marble slabs.The hours I've queued in that shop waiting for a delivery of fish to come in during the war, and sometimes we had queued for nothing.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Mar-2014
    Yes & MacFishiers tubs of live eels outside there shop.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Mar-2014
    The MacFisheries staff always wore white overalls, with dark blue aprons bearing white stripes, and wellington boots. Even in high summer. The one in Greenford Broadway was on the east side of Ruislip Road, so the shop front faced west and the wellingtons must have been unbearable on very hot days as the sun would have shone directly onto the fish. There was also a fishmonger inside Greenfor... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Mar-2014
    Sorry, not "The one in Greenford Broadway was on the east side of Ruislip Road", but it was on the north side, and so it faced south

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Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
I have just posted a sample of a page of messages copied from the board on my own website, could some of you have a look at it and see if you think it is OK, before I start to amend the others.

http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/knowhere1.htm
  
  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 22-Feb-2014
    I've had a look and it seems ok to me. So are you saying Colin, that you would post all the previous messages to your website & we could access and add to them there? If so that is very generous of you. I remember from previous posts that it was noted that we could possibly contact other members via FriendsReunited requests or (and though it's not for me) Facebook.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to add to them, I may be able set something up to add new messages, but that is taking me into areas of HTML coding that I know little about. At the moment I am just trying to ensure that existing messages would be preserved in the event of Knowhere disappearing.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    That's absolutely fantastic Colin. The thread I would most like to see preserved would be Ron Cox and his title Saxon road 1939-1951 21 January 2009 as this has almost the entire names of all the shops in Southall Broadway and around. Our dear Len Goddard gave us all such valuable information, bless him.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    grateful colin for whatever you can ..do..and fred thanks

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    I forgot to say Colin that the script you have printed is great. Very legible, which is the most important thing.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 23-Feb-2014
    Haven't posted for a long time, but this is something that I posted on the Spring Grove Morris website.

    http://www.springgrovemorris.org/history/kingstonmorris/heston-morris

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    nice link.....1977 1980 Heston school morris boys.tony pegram set up ..Kingston is nice.may day etc

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    has terry Hewitt..1960 Heston boys morris sword...perhaps they did norwood green fete annual event..and annual Heston pk.may day...pk goes back hundreds yrs may day events Heston.my nans family 1850 onwards there from botwell hayes ..Heston church st len does annual fete event in their front area every yr..Heston hall place along does scots dancing many yrs now ..goes to norwood green fete

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    fred...odeon.closed 1970 bowling alley....was it mfi.after ..that had furniture store in the building for quite few yrs..thanks

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14762

    cinema closed with jack lemon 1961 aug 61 .mfi furniture.......1996 carpet...then to lidl supermkt...odeon opened 1936 doug Fairbanks amateur gentleman.uxbridge rd

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    1970 could be cato furniture diy then mfi furniture.from odeon close

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    meant aug 1961 open bowl alley ..dad team there

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Cato's were a small family business and the family lived in Ealing near Hanger Lane Station. I think they had a few other shops, all local

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    catos Chiswick high st 70s 80s my aunt worked there chain..hardware stores..
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=cato+chiswick+shop&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    1990s big chain...dyas took it over...
    hardware etc..big store..chain..
    http://www.hounslow.info/libraries/local-history-archives/high-street-history/brentford-chiswick/brentford-chiswick-3/

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    photos....catos.
    diy store opened in.old odeon 10 pin bowl uxbridge rd southall

    http://www.catol.co.uk/#/about-us/4553249031

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    mr meads.book.....Melrose house fine house..built 1904..mr paton lived there with wife..retired headmaster of Marylebone school massive south rd yrs 1850s onwards..poor orphans from all over London hundreds of them....also used as hospital 1st war..west side south rd...later demolished.1930s ish...
    holy trinity church..the vicarage .then chesnuts of mr abbot..vine cottage house in area......then ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Thank you Yvonne

    I didn't know Cato's built up to more than 30 branches. I think that around 1970 the family owned a nice house in Birkdale Road Ealing that backed on to the old Fox reservoir site

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    yes read of fox site.......catos did well then 1990 dyas took over

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Yes Yvonne, there is a lot of info available about the Fox Reservoir, for example "Hanger Hill Park, including Fox Wood" on British History Online...... It doesn't tell you that it was filled in in 1943 because it made such a fantastic landmark for the Luftwaffe, as there were lots of targets for them nearby. I also found it very odd that they built a reservoir at the very top of a hill, but for ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Apparently Luftwaffe pilots had maps which are now in war records showing targets around West London.
    Park Royal, Perivale (and Acton [Napiers]) VERY important targets for them, but they were confused by Harrow & Horsenden Hills nearby. But the one they wanted to locate, Hanger Hill had a reservoir on top which showed up well in moonlight so it made it easy for them to find our factories!! Bi... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    interesting thanks keith yes read many of brit hist on line over last 3 yrs ..so good...german maps .kew archive...we have the one of aec iron bridge area..on line.german map writing on it etc...it is on our southboard.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    I remember rightly there was reservoir built inside Horsenden hill in the 1950s.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    These maps where the brainchild of a German called Baedecker who toured England before the studying the landscape & landmarks.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    That should read before the war.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Feb-2014
    Yes Dennis, I'd forgotten that

    The Horsenden one was built inside the hill partly so that it could not be spotted from the air. Fox reservoir site now an important nature reserve

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    There was also another form of bomb aiming navigation in use this was 2 beams called Knikerbine 1 was dots the other was dashes sent from different transmiters that could be tuned to meet over a target when the bomber got to this point it released its bombs. The most devastating use of this system being Coventry.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2014
    Osterley pk home guard 2nd war...tv tomorrow..channel 9 freeview bbc4............reel history Britain..m bragg..with jimmy perry writer of dads army..reinactments often there of uniform guns etc home guard..out on grass..30 mins.7.30 pm.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    Thanks Yvonne will take a look at that.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2014
    ok

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 26-Feb-2014
    I have now created the archive, it can be accessed via the following link:

    www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/index.html

    Just click on the Knowhere Archive button at the top of the page, none of the other links work at the moment, they are part of an excercise I am carrying out to make my various websites relevant to Southall all accessible from the one page.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    wonderful thankyou colin

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    Thank you so much Colin. This is one of the best presents I could ever have asked for!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    Fred, my daughters and a friend have assured me that if I was to go on Facebok, you can just invite the friends you wanted to be your friend. In other words, you don't have to share all your news with the world. I'm afraid I wouldn't even think about Friends Reunited as it isn't the same as it used to be, and Yvonne will confirm this. This is only if Southall Knowhere packs up!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2014
    Hi everyone i have gone on Facebook just in case, but will use Southall message board until the end

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    yes yrs now that friends reunited such shame is horrid layout.now....facebook yes you can do private click .your comments photo posting only go to the friends you have confirmed to be friend..public setting you get all postings...theme post you can get the emails or stop not receive....some facebook open groups can see in google..most closed group.admin accepts you and members lovely monitored sit... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    Osterley was good..and lots men there memories.....home guard 1941 to dec 1944 war...house grounds woods..lake..shooting etc reinact.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    I missed it tonight. Will have to watch it on i-player. I've watched lots of bits about the miners, but I'd never heard before that they didn't ever wash their backs as it made their backs weak!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    yes miners was before and the one before miners was good.....good luck iplayer..it is nice 30 mins

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 27-Feb-2014
    My dad was a miner in Wales before moving to England. He never talked much about the work, though I do know he had a bath every night in a tin bath at home. I am sure his back would have been washed. As I am in Canada I didn't see the show on TV so I'm not sure what it was about.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    This was a Vintage Film shown on a mobile bus, and a selected audience of a few miners watched the film which had never been shown before, narrated by Melvyn Bragg. It showed miners in a mine in South Wales, and the terrible conditions they worked in with their pit ponies. The ponies were better looked after than the miners. The mines were privately owned, and when there was a terrible tragedy whe... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    It also showed the miners Davy lamps, and that they weren't allowed to put them on the floor in case they fell over, in which case they would have to go all the way back to get them re-lit. The miners had to pay for their own safety helmets. One miner told how he would have to walk a mile and a half in the pit before he reached the seams of coal!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    my southall aunt married wales man..his generations before him..mine .age 16 he walked hitched to London..Brentford then trained carpenter Chiswick lifetime..gt man his wales family also Pontypridd.we went and down the huge museum there..famous
    big pit..we had helmet light etc..down huge deep deep..lift down.deep to coal face got the tiny bit coal brought home..sculptures in the shiny coal sol... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    lyn....reel history of Britain..archive films etc...many tv programmes on play back computer if Canada can get..iplayer etc..bbc etc..

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    One miner who had watched the film said they had to work on their knees a lot of the time to undercut the seam of the coal, as only large pieces of coal were needed, as they didn't get paid for small pieces when they took it up to the top of the pit. He told of an experience when he was 17-years old and there had been an accident in the mine and a miner was buried in the fall and was dead. They ha... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    yes was bad so many yrs ..bevan boys during the war worked.them...canary birds to sense the gas leak.if..ours had his gdads miners lamp..age 16 left home mum sisters walk hitch to Brentford London.1920s.settled called for his younger brother..they both married lived close all their lives Chiswick..strong welsh accents to death 1990s..funeral same day as Windsor castle fire because my family from s... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 27-Feb-2014
    Yes, terrible conditions that they worked in. My dad left school around 12 years old and straight into the mines. Moved into the prefabs after the war. He always had a bad chest from working in the mines Died in 1989.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    yes was bad..lot of ours northhyde southall Heston..out of school 12 and before yrs also.or so even though 13yr law but.they helped earn pennies pay rent food..ag lab etc brick fields helping.girls did servant work or help mum.scivvy work or see to siblings while mum at factory to make money seasonal wk men out of work...gdad northyde.canal southall. helping his dad as child brick making.gravel wo... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Feb-2014
    I have now added the Southall Local History Society section to my website, it can be accessed through the same URL as the Knowhere Archive.

    www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/index.html

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    thankyou very kind of you colin..most appreciated thankyou

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin. You're a star!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin, that is a great job you've done.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Feb-2014
    Have now added the AEC page.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Feb-2014
    Colin, I would just like to add my thanks to those of the others for your great contribution to this site.Mike

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 28-Feb-2014
    Norwood Green page now added.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    our 1st norwood green is lovely there THANKYOU.colin...and now yr 2000 norwood green..age 90 age 100..2 founder members 1930s onwards..may Barnett..ethne manders..lots photos..details norwood green..val tom payne janet linda..bellringers.1996 if tom payne is of family tree norwood green.st mary.my nan gt gran norwood green payne family.bapt 1802.she died.age93 in almshouse one room dark one window... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Colin - Thank you for doing such a brilliant job. I must be doing something wrong because I don't seem to be able to access the AEC and Norwood Green bits. The newsletters are great. One of them is about headstone inscriptions. Does anybody know whether the gravestones in the cemeteries have ever been transcribed?

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 28-Feb-2014
    Carol try refreshing the page (click on the circular arrow in the web address bar).

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    Havelock rd council cemetery 1880s to recent times closed now hortus.is used....Percival hse ealing broadway old town hall cemetery dept has all the record books..burials in date order..by the name says plot etc says vase..or such like..when not the money some graves are grass with no stone no name carved...email or write to them..massive number graves..huge southall.population many yrs........st ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    norwood green.along top colin has placed it.in the row........just clicked and came up ok.....
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page3.html
    wait for it to load if your computer is slow

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Well I managed to get onto Norwood Green and AEC in a roundabout sort of way, thanks.

    Yvonne, to find out burial plots costs £10 to search. I recently found out my aunt's burial place in Havelock Cemetery, but have yet to find out whether there is a headstone or not. I plan to visit shortly.

    I did find out where my grandparents were buried in Cherry Lane Cemetery in Hayes. At that time I... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    yes heard they charge..so much family tree people now from all over world..councils etc have to charge.for work.per hour...in date order...was lucky 20 yrs ago.free .got map..high light yellow plot .sent me.photocopy of book record pages .says vase etc.does not say ..tall headstone inscription..says green stones .on handwritten page and .cost payed..names etc..date.......I said near kin next kin.... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Yvonne - I have taken photos of gravestones and plots. This is a new one I just found and from the plan I know it is in the area on the left hand side of the gate as you go in. Her husband was buried i the same plot years later. Would be nice if there was a headstone. I just wondered whether anybody had recorded the headstones at any time.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    the councils on the record book page says cost.of plot burial..and if vase was added...said stone green stone grave .they enter the other 2.deceased names on the page of the 1st burial.with if rosebowl stone was added...on the handwritten pages they have at ealing........but did not say names verse inscribed.on back stone by mason.but I knew it had.....so good luck find plot...map at gate says rou... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    left side ish..of gate ..4 martin brothers 2006 gravestones done by southall local hist soc.ceremony was there.gazette.....deaths at 1923 they did not have money for names stones only grass...yet £40000 today wally bird fame sells for as pottery..black low curved stones..in a roughly nearish areas around by there...not together..

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    just read...online..
    https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?AcctView=Login&SrchView=Basic&lang=E&sessionid=2029666183&GSDOInptSName&GSDOInptFName&GSDOInptRegion&GSDOInptFrom&GSDOInptTo&GSDOInptSoundex&GSDOInptRegType&GSDOInptCountry&GSDOInptCounty&GSDOInptSite&GSDOInptLocation&GSDOInptLocType&erpp=10&orderBy=SNAME%3BFNAME%3BENTRYDATE&DetsView=Content§ion=ARTICLES&context=20140218_1... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Mar-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. Looks like a good site.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2014
    just put 1st bit in google it comes up..got details today will type out tomorrow had gt day out today so will type tomorrow

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School milk by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Feb-2014
Does any one remember going into school during the holidays in the 1950's to drink school milk. I recall going to North Road and for some reason, one year, we all had to go to a Dormers Well secondary school to get our free milk. It had to be drunk there and then. Weren't allowed to take it home. Chris x   
  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2014
    1960 dormers kept the milk in the cupboard small room.corridor left side on way to hall if you queued there...don't remember ever really having it much ,,,,had to go at break...not bother really..warm etc..not gt

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2014
    in the holidays..1950s...no dormers infants juniors .1954 onwards not go in holidays......
    there was big push to nutrition after war 50s etc....

  • Re: School milk by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 13-Feb-2014
    Loved the free milk, but it seemed inconsistent. Not too sure it tasted the same every day. I become a milk monitor, or in other words Roger Hurt and myself were the biggest in our class so had the job of collecting a crate and carrying it back to the class.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Feb-2014
    The bottle size was one third of a pint. It was a size only available for school use, as half a pint was the smallest size available from the ordinary milkman

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Feb-2014
    I was out at work in the 50's, but in the 30's and 40's the free milk was horrible in the summer as it was left outside in crates in the playground and was almost sour. I hated it and used to sneak it back into the empty crate of bottles if the teacher wasn't looking. In the winter it was frozen and often used to be coming out at the top of the bottle, but I liked that much better as it began to thaw.

  • Re: School milk by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 13-Feb-2014
    I remember the milk being put around the donkey boilers in the huts at North Road School during the winters in the late 1940's to thaw it out, and it was revolting!It took me many years to drink milk again after that.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember school milk thawing out by the coke fires in the annex in North Road school.

  • Re: School milk by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Feb-2014
    During the holidays I was sent to Western Road school for the milk that was served in the entrance foyer. Often warm and unpleasant. I also remember at that period being given a tin of sultanas to take home. They had been donated by one of the commonwealth countries (or was it still the empire then?) . Very welcome at a time of short supply and rationing.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    gt tin lovely...perhaps to yr 1954..still rationing..they would be keen nutrition to do holidays milk..1954 think all rationing ended...gt tv daily channel 19..rationing.wartime uk 2 war .Hampshire farm growing food...xmas parsnip mock turkey and gifts etc evacuees etc.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    As did the Empire.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    As did the Empire.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 14-Feb-2014
    I think Empire Day changed to "Commonwealth Day" in about 1954. Until then we had to march around the playground (locked in) with the person in front of the procession holding a large Union Jack. We were told EVERY school in the Empire was doing exactly the same thing at the same time (11 a.m.), but somehow I now doubt that arab kids in Aden etc actually were.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    yes queen coronation 1953..gradual independence countries and she Philip been so proud of lifetime work they have done on commonwealth...gt museum nottinghill gate went few times,, free.to it all modern good building countries displays... closed some yrs ago but was greatly used by people schools etc..loads huge flags tall outside.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember getting half of a day off which was most welcome

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I think you could be right about the arab kids in Aden ect, dad was in Aden at that time.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    my southall cousin joined bp.oil tankers ships chief engineer .1950s .onwards career...his tankers then supertankers ...suez or around Durban south Africa....aden...biggest port...letters home he posted.aden.etc gifts for us..etc..aden was on tv last night 50s 60s..channel 9 empire etc..Britain on film..archive.bbc4..8.30 pm

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I still have my Hornby train set made in Liverpool in 1953 dad bought me at Steamer Point store Aden.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    yes my cousin always spoke well of aden

  • Re: School milk by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember playing Britannia in an Empire Day celebration at North Road School - would probably have been the late 1040's.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Feb-2014
    marvellous phyl........sent email..then site came back at last..tonight...

  • Re: School milk by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 16-Feb-2014
    I have a lovely photograph of my father as a young boy. He is dressed in a Union Jack suit and carrying a Union jack. Presumably an empire day in the 1920s. I recall that Empire Day and then Commonwealth days required me to go to school in my cub scout uniform. I think that I thought that quite special. World maps were of course covered in red coloured countries "which were all ours".

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    gt photo...yes third world pink empire.quarter world ish.
    http://www.academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/British_Empire

    our schools 1934 ..1900s built ....1960 still had lots old empire text bks..not the money for new sets 30 more..books..but for yrs they tried hard to get rid of old books.maps.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    they wanted it red for the maps but found pink colour worked better to allow the lettering titles names to show up on pink better..1977 onwards gt schools lots modern up to date text books and school library gradually full of modern up to date bks replacing inadequate bks

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2014
    Every time I hear the hymn "I vow to thee my country" I am immediately trasported back to the hall at Tudor road school on Empire Day with our headmistress Miss Trent standing in front of us. It is such a stirring hymn - Diana had it plsyed at her wedding and her funeral. We also sang a lot of other songs on Empire Day and I loved it all.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    yes it was at Diana s..daughter in law kate went to.northolt high sch.open special art dept for all kids borough ealing to go to...on valentine morning.her photo on front page standard newspaper.wills 6 am with harry sandbags with army berks areas..so kate told head boy his happy valentine and bouquet was 1st she had and had said of the day..oz they go april..hambro pub hayes bridge on there wall.... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2014
    I knew Empire Day was held on 24th May, but didn't know it was Queen Victoria's birthday, although the first Empire Day wasn't celebrated until 1902, a year after Queen Victoria died in 1901.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    yes she died in Kaisers arms.osborne.jan 1901.kaiser came to funeral.all did..new king coronation was delayed his health..interesting.start empire day...lots photos in google kids dressed up costumes at schools etc..Jerusalem gt hymn.

  • Re: School milk by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 16-Feb-2014
    I live just in the next road to the hornby factory though the readers might be interestedto know they have museum and a children centre open daily, and of course a shop

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    nice photos exterior interia Sheila in google....Ramsgate rd margate..warehouse quite bit stuff coming in from china now..nice to have shop....they do online sales

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Feb-2014
    photos 1st southall board..tonight tv..wartime evacuation sept1939.channel 9 bbc 4 tv..7.30pm...ealing broadway train photos our board 50 new photos general.local

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 17-Feb-2014
    If I remember correctly free school milk was brought to an end by Mrs Thatcher-"Maggie Thatcher,milk snatcher!"

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Feb-2014
    yes mike...just seen photos plaque resting place denis sir bt...but .hers just says Margaret thatcher ..but she was baroness hse lords.. lady..23/4 may order garter queen st George Windsor...unless she chose plain name.insisted it be like that...thought she had middle name like her sister...Chelsea pensioners .place denis her arranged after death..by thames at Chelsea of flower show.royal hospital... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 17-Feb-2014
    Blimey, Chris only mentioned school milk.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    schools...lots different photos kids ..with free milk drinking..with straws etc.40s.50s 60 s,,,on our photo boards..frozen milk popping out of the top crates etc..

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Feb-2014
    Yvonne-mentioning straws reminds me the cap on the bottle has a perforated circle, the idea being one pushed this in, and then put the straw in. However, if you pushed too hard, a fountain of milk shot up,with messy results!

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    never saw straws my yrs.but had to collect at break did not really go myself.to milk..when there were card tops to milk..making pom poms with 2 card circles...silver tops washed went to blue peter tv charity

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Feb-2014
    When our milk was delivered with foil tops the blue tits became past masters in pecking at the tops to get the cream, and they passed this habit on to their chicks. The odd robin used to have a peck sometimes, but it wssn't passed on to their young as they didn't move about in flocks like the blue tits.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    on the patio at living room by our chair robin comes speck cheese so like dairy fat element...but .ants nest few yrs ..young come they love bit of ant..on the lawn mower robin..they and blackbird love recent .turned earth or mow insects worms..lots this last week now spring coming snowdrops crocus and daffs buds now..

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    back site 2 days off sent 3 emails...if recession and they cant keep advertisers to pay for site...then to say to you all best wishes indeed.lots good wishes to you all...if site goes for good...so often it is off..many many best wishes to everybody.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    back site 2 days off sent 3 emails...if recession and they cant keep advertisers to pay for site...then to say to you all best wishes indeed.lots good wishes to you all...if site goes for good...so often it is off..many many best wishes to everybody.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Feb-2014
    It is looking that way Yvonne & everyone if it goes thank you all for some brill memories its a pity we cant go to another site but just in case thanks & all the best to all.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Feb-2014
    Hopefully, it won't go, but if it does one of the worst things would be to lose all the information on the past few years of the site. Valuable information as well as all the lovely people who contribute.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    if anybody can print some of it off..if it has a print at the top and would come out on sheets of paper at your printer..you all take care denis Pauline everybody..over 11 yrs site gt people..perhaps the knowhere will limp along...facebook took over another site today...huge amount lots all ages 80 70 60yr old etc.. use it daily...their local area..memories of lifetime.of their areas.friends they ... more >>

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Feb-2014
    I do hope your right it will keep going fingers crossed.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Feb-2014
    Yes it's sad but there is no paid advertising any more on any of the knowhere boards, and what is worse still, none of the other locations are getting any new postings since about 2011. I fear it maybe goodbye soon, though I hope not

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2014
    site does do down off often now.think it is because advertising ...sites on line... are huge at facebook etc....sincere best wishes to you all..such lovely posts comments over 11 yrs here site..hope not but if...then kindest thoughts with you all always..so many local areas..things..we all know..nostalgia etc..take real good care of yourselves if ..but ..perhaps not.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    I hope with this depressing news that we will be told beforehand, and not just shut down completely.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    perhaps it wont..friends reunited got less but still there....doubt they would tell us in advance might do....lots nice photos southallboard.happy spring weather everybody it is so nice

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 22-Feb-2014
    Where do you guys live now, I am in ascot xx

  • Re: School milk by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    If Knowhere website goes belly-up then old messages can still be accessed via the Internet Archive Wayback Machine:

    https://archive.org/web/

    Enter the follwoing in the search box and click browse ... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    thanks colin gt...so good thanks...yes over 13 yrs pages....but sections they think of..are whole sheets on the shops.chatter...or .certain roads..of memory.etc.it is poss to print off...but think you have to be quick to stop it..trying to get the section subject pages you want .of nostalgia.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    Thanks for that Colin. I've just copied it to myself!

  • Re: School milk by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    I've discovered that the Internet Archive idea doesn't work as well as I hoped, so I have just been through and copied all the web pages of messages to my computer. I will have a play around with them and see if I can create a full archive to post on my own website. What I come up with may not be elegant, but I should at least be able to retain the readability of the messages.

    I put too many ze... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 22-Feb-2014
    As you know I moved to Weston back in 1972 but I grew up in Southall, played rugby, apprenticeship etc, parents and family lived there, so everyday my mind is back in Southall. In fact my kids and grandkids are sick of hearing of the place. This site keeps me there, and if politics and dire governments had not dabbled I would still be living there. Well maybe close by.

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 22-Feb-2014
    I still think of southall all the time and strangely my husband who at the time was a police inspector, was community liaison officer for southall and Ealing .

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Feb-2014
    I moved down to Sussex nearly 40 years ago, and am in Arundel now. Can't remember the last time I was in Southall but it was years ago. I do get up to Hanworth about once a year to see family and that is now a depressing pit of a place. I shudder to think what Southall is like now. I think we all remember west Middlesex as a lovely rural place, but the past is a different place that no lon... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    linda....our member for many yrs was len goddard.born 1925 southall..his son was police at southall police station..then went to Plymouth..so name may be know to you.

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 23-Feb-2014
    I was born in 1945 and my family lived and went to school there. My family lived in derley rd and I went to Western rd school. I am still in touch with people from southall. My grandparents lived in oakwood ave opposite southall park. I would still love to buy their house. I think of southall with such love. Xx

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    most of us similar age ..gt oakwood..along by those roads across alley s..to dormers wells lane schools....durley rd gt.....southall football stadium.loads have fond memories..western rd school..my aunt went after opened 1911....demolished 1980s.....and.featherstone rd primary all changes

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 23-Feb-2014
    Xxx Yvonne my phone number is 01344 249543 anytime you feel like catching up and that goes for anyone that was around then, if there is enough of us perhaps we could have a get together. Linda Quinn (Sutherland) x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    best wishes linda..try see photos...hundreds of them amazing..southallboard .in google 4 yrs now..good wishes to youxx

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Feb-2014
    Linda- Ftom my distant memories of Southall (1928-1954),Oakwood Avenue was indeed a beautiful Road. Didn't Harry Rountree the artist live there at some time?

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    harry lived dormers wells lane on 1911census

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    1911called dormers wells hse ..one of those nice ones..9 rooms..housemaid cook 2.kids wife him born newzealand..artist illustrator..1934 he opened new dormers seniors.my dad aunt went school there.his visit your school north rd.primary.left sketches.gave them hope they still have

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 24-Feb-2014
    There used to be a huge house next to them called Melrose but it was destroyed for flats x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    half way down north oakwood ave.on west side...now Melrose drive..goes off west off oakwood...so to remember the fine house...uxbridge rd..going west out of dense London was popular air greenery southall park etc..for london gentry etc to move to early yrs..some nice houses..Melrose hse

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Feb-2014
    Yvonne- I was present with the whole school in the hall when he did those sketches. Like you, I wonder what happened to them

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    mike....so glad you were in the hall..he would have been getting older then..1911 he was with wife couple kids...retired to st ives cornwall well known pub there he sketched people etc..we love st ives gt paintings etc area..

  • Re: School milk by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-Feb-2014
    Just spent a week in St Ives, half term holiday with three of my grandchildren. We go every year, it's beautiful there. Chris x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    we went only few yrs ago.loved it cornwall and st ives art gallery etc..beaches harbour..photos in google of north rd school rountree st ives retired pub..on the front..locals knew him well he died 1950 age 70s..few children his son in google..wonder if school still has those 1930s sketches or they are with ealing local history library for southall...library has 170 and more paintings etc of the a... more >>

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Southall board 55 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Feb-2014
Just looked at this and was amazed to see a map of the area before the enclosures, although the canal is on it. It shows a small village called "SCRATTAGE" between Lampton and Trumpers Way on the old drove road, and another called "Sutton" between Lampton and Heston. I didn't know about these before, there are some wonderful photos there too.

  
  • Re: Southall board 55 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    Keith - Have you given the correct Southallboard number as it only goes up to 54.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Feb-2014
    How odd! 55 came up when l put Southall board in google.

    But there are photos of the SERVIS shop, and it says
    220
    Photos
    Nov... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    board21 has got the servis shop..pub...and further back.scroll back photos there has got enclosure map scrattage trumpers Sutton by Heston,

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    1814 map so canal on it....my nans brother married girl of terraced workers cottages Sutton..1874 family there smoky lane down from Heston church called because big brick kiln there handmade brick workers Sutton..by gt west rd now...scrattage south of Osterley pk...map is from british history on line site..in google...Heston northhyde..norwood green across to trumpers...all places town s ..they ha... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    I think Keith has got through to Southallboard (the first one) as that shows 220 photos. Southallboard 21 only shows 214.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    the 1st board ...southallboard ..is called...2009 220 photos ..got servis shop......and towards end got enclosure map 1813/9..heston scrattage Sutton trumpers....Pauline keith has enjoyed photos of our 1st board ..in 2009..done...4 yrs ago...in google it comes up easy..flickr.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Feb-2014
    Yes, that's it

    Thank you

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    Yes Yvonne I know. That's what I said. If you haven't already got the Southallboards when they were first done, whatever number Southallboard you tap in on google will only give you the first Southallboard.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    Ruislip lido ...in google...yesterday unexplod bomb 12 inch .half buried 3pm...evacuate...dealt with..5 pm reopened...war craters had been about.known.of...star gaze group 850 people do regular watch binocular etc group there..300ft reservoir medieval oak woods..bus still waits outside..bbc tv.bank holiday on national news hot crowds there..Egyptian geese swans tufted ..crest..grebe etc etc cormor... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Feb-2014
    It's a shame there is not a facility to add photos onto this page. Don't know why but I don't find Flickr very user friendly.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    1st board comes up easy in google....click sign in.....click ID....type southallboard.....click password .type .Middlesex ......then click upload it goes to your own scan in ..folder...then insert..upload...we have had 6 nice member people put photos on during our 4 yrs photos...unlimited number allowed now.....let us know carol...or if you put on your own flickr .I can transfer them across to sou... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Feb-2014
    Keith mentioned the hamlet of Scrattage and it rang a bell with me, so I dug into my family history papers (no mean feat as we've just moved and nothing is where it should be!). A great-aunt, one of my Johnson grandfather's sisters, married a chap by the name of Attwood and the 1891 Census lists them living at No.2 Scrattage Cottage, Heston Spring Grove, Middx. The 1901 Census lists them at 4 Jers... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    yes scratttage came down under springgrove ..area...just south of Osterley..maps in google..old days

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    in google can see st mary parish springgrove heston...near gt west rd..Osterley area...Isleworth Heston huge area ..joined...st leonards parish Heston village church...springrove famous for .good grammar school going back early yrs ..then new school buildings built along at lampton rd by pk..hubby went there....banks of captain cook..botany lived posh springgrove...buried Heston st leonards church... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    earl jersey of Osterley mansion hse..so often ..people who owned the rows of cottages tythe went with labouring job for .cottages owner...or they payed rent,to the landord .the employer of the local job there.the owner of local work Sutton large brickfield..6/8 cottages brickmakers 1870 1880s...so the cottages names after him..his surname.on censuses..

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    1894 maps google £2.50....Heston Osterley scrattage Hounslow.springrove..os map.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    http://www.my-history.co.uk/acatalog/Ealing_Acton_Area.html#1!MDX20.07...maps all areas Victorian.1894 etc..yrs

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    Osterley st mary scrattage 1894 map in google £2.50..os fold up..good detail.....http://www.my-history.co.uk/acatalog/Ealing_Acton_Area.html#1!MDX20.03

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    in google Isleworth Heston.....scrattage farm etc etc etc...http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/walk/goa57/old/hist/

  • Re: Southall board 55 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Feb-2014
    Just been looking at Southallboard 15 pic of old TA center Hayes bridge the caption mentions the Wellington bomber there in the 1950 i knew i was not going funny in the head.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    in google old map scrattage hamlet..st mary..along south part down of Osterley pk grounds..gt west rd new carved it up springrove .lays there..Isleworth Heston parish combined.....os map blocks of dwellings there..http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/?layer=europe&xMin=3307548.55111&yMin=2791382.21144&xMax=3310348.55111&yMax=2794182.21144
    .

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    glad you like denis...parachute was ..the thing of ta .at one time...wellington bomber

  • Re: Southall board 55 by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 4-Feb-2014
    I to remember the Bomber at the TA unit at Hayes Bridge, I was in the Army Cadets that where based there around 1949/50, I do not know if I remember correctly, but I thought it was just a Fuselage.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    gt denis.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    dennis...denis......wellington bomber or wimpey as it was known........http://www.cranstonfinearts.com/squadron_details.php?SquadronID=537

  • Re: Southall board 55 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Feb-2014
    Thanks Yvonne will have a look, Thank Dennis i was starting to think i was the only person on the planet that remembered it LOL, i seem to remember a full Wellington on the parade ground but you will recall better than me as i was 6 or 7 yrs old at the time

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    in google...alf attwood...of st john rd Isleworth 1904 /1912...national archive......scrattage springrove is Isleworth extended Heston as the parish..yrs ago....

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2014
    lot on..attwood.......and those yrs...local....and on scrattage farm..and cottages...on lots links..in google......http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=248526.0

    1891 free census has springgrove .st john rd Isleworth..to .tickenham rd there along to .railway tavern.along to .water worker attwood...several brothers the father......earl jersey estate huge grounds landed gentry 100s yrs..... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Feb-2014
    Just been looking at flicker Southallboard, 2 pics of Black Dog pub & parade of shops King Street i am certain the shop next to the black Dog is the antique shop i mentioned before the parade was knocked down for King street Woolworths about 1949/50.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2014
    yes shops by black dog became woolworths king st.....now black dog.demolished..is a.new brick high construction.dont know what for yet...

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2014
    united dairy opposite black dog

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2014
    bbc4 channel 9 freeview last night harrow..ten pin bowling..and ealing broadway cinema forum abc.uxbridge rd....London on film archive.suburbs.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kf64g/London_on_Film_The_Suburbs/

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2014
    in photos....in.comments below.....click links..and up comes.more stuff...pneumatic money wiz celing to cashier stores...and willians store tokens etc..there

  • Re: Southall board 55 by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 7-Feb-2014
    My family were friendly with the couple that were running the black dog and I went to help out there when I was saving up to get married , I was taught how to pull a good plnt , I have done bar work on the odd times when cash has been shortthe sister of the couple ran the lord byronat the top oflady magaret rd

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2014
    yes Byron...there Ruislip rd many yrs....but fire ..demolished.the Byron big pub.......hare hounds by Greenford grammar still open....allenby pub now heating shop

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 7-Feb-2014
    My father's golfing mate Bert (Lofty) Chapman ran The Lord Wolsley for many years and we would often have a family do there. Sadly he gave it up after there was a murder there and he just didn't want to be involved any more.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Feb-2014
    yes lord wolsey gone..were so many pubs southall and everywhere else..many gone.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Feb-2014
    southall and local...and solicitor has papers on 3 horseshoes at moment.......http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Hayes/index.shtml

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Feb-2014
    Ruislip lido 1961 tv now.location..film cliff young ones.made elstree .shots London..big puff huge net petticoats full skirts dance music song comedy.freeview10.itv3.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 9-Feb-2014
    Yes Yvonne, my friend Colin Turner's father was one of the cameramen on The Young Ones shot at Ruislip Lido and Colin followed in the his footsteps & became a professional photographer.

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2014
    marvellous the film was gt yesterday..repeated today..gt camera work.1961...in london Marylebone.sunny day lido..pedlows 6 old pence quarter hr..speed boat..ski..ramp...white yachting.beach beech trees.singing young ones.....we lived Heston ..bbc tv cameraman lived opposite us..I went to bbc on tube daily..worked tv centre white city.gt built circle architecture 1960..demolish .this yr..gone to Sa... more >>

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2014
    so much rain weeks..Ruislip lido 300 ft reservoir flooded over lawns up to cafe now pub...lots swans ducks.canada geese gulls..tables out in water etc....

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2014
    photos and special extra ones in ..1st board.....in google...southallboard..........today more...500 more viewings..loads flickr people last 4 yrs enjoy photos ..1000s click viewings...

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2014
    southall horse mkt tv tonight..Steptoe rides again 1973 film...and white city dog stadium there during day and at night lite..10pm.tv

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Feb-2014
    carol 59 of southall born 1955....mum dot married holy trinity southall 1953...so st lucia photos George kate brother james etc...747 plane..lovely sun hat gt grown George...
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-middleton-takes-prince-george-3130030

  • Re: Southall board 55 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Feb-2014
    http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/southall/index.shtml
    gt photos text general southal.....station...trumpers...etc etc yr1900 yr 1990...

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North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Feb-2014
I lived at No.74 from 1933-1954. I often wonder what became of the boys are knew in those years:
72- Leonard Fuller, 76 Richard Pannel-his parents sent him to a series of private schools, then going further up the road Freddie Miller, Reggie Wiggins, Raymond Kitt, Kenneth Loader,
Barry Seaward.
Do any of these ring a bell with any of you??
  
  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Feb-2014
    Ken Loader was a good friend of my brother George. Unfortunately George lost contact with Ken after they did their National Service in the mid 50's. Ken and George were also friendly with a David Pounding ( not sure of the spelling) who sadly got killed, hit by a train, along with another whilst crossing the railway line not far from Community a Centre Bridge Road. I was only young when this h... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Feb-2014
    I remember Ken Loader. He was a good friend of my brother George. Unfortunately George lost contact with Ken after they finished National Service in the early 50's. They also were friendly with DAVID POUNDING (not sure of spelling). Sadly David was killed, hit by a train, whilst with another crossing the railway line not far from community centre in Bridge Road. I clearly remember how shocked e... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Feb-2014
    Sorry for two replies...first got lost THEN APPEARED,

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Feb-2014
    I did National Service 1945-1948, then was a full time student living at home,but in 1951 moved to my first job in Welwyn Garden City,coming home week-ends. In 1954 dad retired and mum and dad moved away from Southall.

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Feb-2014
    People I remember from north road , approaching from the police station end , these people lived there from the 40s till the late 50s and may be longer they were freddie lovelock joyce kimmins sheila rose teddy humphreys does any one rember norma coxs they livred in park view but the back of there houses came out at tne side of petries myself joyce and norma all used to walk to school together... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    Sheila I walked all weathers school dormers wells primary through 3 big alleys kingsley.50s..ran through bit scary high fence....Sheila ...do you know pre 1956...servis shop.....by George dragon pub..photo 3 shops there.what were they ..what did servis sell was it ..machine parts etc..north uxbridge rd high st..thanks..

  • Re: North Road by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Feb-2014
    Wasent Servis makers of washing machines.

  • Re: North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2014
    Yes Denis it was. I bought my first Servis washing machine in 1956 and it was an excellent machine. Bought it in Slough.

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    yes we had servis machine 1956 photo southall...says servis.at the top..of shop by George dragon pub

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 2-Feb-2014
    Husband says it was SERVIS HOME ELECTRICS. There were other shops along there. Chris x

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    wonderful thanks servis elect .and for wash machine etc..gt electrics..window look like that ..thanks hubby......gt cars parked outside 1956 rare allard....morris van..Armstrong siddely ..Austin a40..and pub.george dragon to left west..3 shops old..1956 photo

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    can see tiny words in photo..yes home electrics...large letter servis.windows full..1956..perhaps they did radio etc also....thanks......2 other old shops there with it..close right side east of George dragon pub...

  • Re: North Road by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 2-Feb-2014
    My friend Sheila Iddenden has a much better memory than me and will probably remember the shops by the George and Dragon. I can only think of a sweetshop, a cobblers (Dovers) and a dairy (Etheringtons) between School Passage and the G&D pub. I used to go ballroom dancing in the pub hall in the 50's. There was also a hardware shop somewhere along there.

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    gt phyl thanks..best wishes to you both

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Feb-2014
    Phyl-I seem to remember a small cafe before the Etherington's dairy

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 3-Feb-2014
    I do nt recall a cafe in that group of shops ethe dairy was right on the corner, it sold more that just milk.. yes phyl my memory is fairly goodcconsidering I left southall over 50 yrs ago but I really liked southall and I was happy living there it was only when I married that I left but I always thought I would return but when my parents were re housed that changed things

  • Re: North Road by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 3-Feb-2014
    Sheila is right in saying Etherington's dairy was on the corner, next to School Passage, where we walked down every day to get to the High St from Shrubbery Road. I don't recall a cafe there.
    Sheila, was Spicers Funeral Directors at the other end of that block of shops?

  • Re: North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    I didn't know the sequence of the shops along that stretch as it was not my neck of the woods. I do remember that Spicers the Funeral Directors was after the White Hart along there somewhere as I had to arrange my dad's funeral there.

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Feb-2014
    Sheila/Phyl-i used that cafe 1948-1951. I was a full time student, and in the holidays mum and dad were working, and I would sometimes have lubch there.

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    mike tried to get your café in google 1951.....only florist came .up..1951 23 march..florist 32 high st southall 1951.......mrs annie eliz allen...post office directory library would have 1951....1914 free online in google only 1914.southall ealing hanwell west ealing.

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Feb-2014
    Yvonne-the only thing i can thnk of is that the cafe was part of the Etherington's shop-unless my memory has been playing tricks!

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Feb-2014
    Yes spicers was at the end when we were young just before I got married 1957 they moved to the other side of the white heartalmost next door to quinnons .thinking back I think when the shoe mender closed I have a feeling that or the sweet shop changed to a cafe phyl do you remember mr and mrs tucker that had the pram shop had the cho cho dog that we were all scared of because he had a black tougue... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    that's nice mike...they said dairy sold lots thing .etc...florist along 1951 2 spinster ladies.number 32

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Feb-2014
    That should have read chow chow

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Feb-2014
    my family used spicer all yrs...funerals of ours 1936..1948..1947.2 yrs old meningtus.....1961,,,and was 1944...etc ones..Havelock.

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Feb-2014
    I think most people had spicers do family fu eralsthey were avery nice family my dad used to help them at times and I was very friendly with june .

  • Re: North Road by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Feb-2014
    Yes Sheila, I do remember the Tuckers and their big black dog. Do you remember that June Spicer used to take us down to the shed at the bottom of their garden where all the coffins were stored, and frighten the life out of us telling us there were dead bodies in them. Their premises did move to the other side of the White Hart, next to Quinions. We used them for all our family funerals too. The na... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2014
    yes many yrs south rd..there is photo of it...east side..white corner place there..letters spicer there above.

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 5-Feb-2014
    Phyl I do remember that shed it had a smell which ican still smell if I think about it , we thought it was the bodies but really it was the greenery they used in the wreaths , l was asked to sleep there with june one night she told me that they were busy and the bodies were under the counter in the shop iwas so scared in the end I went home was nt asked again.

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2014
    Pauline mike..all.......high st..yrs ago in mr meads book here top of page along to white hart pub...school passage...etherington milk dairy.....café coffee etc..along.etc..lots shops here high st southall..north side etc...
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/growingup/page5.html

  • Re: North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Feb-2014
    Sheila and Phyl - I did have a good laugh at the pranks that your friend June Spicer used to play on you both. Just as well she had a sense of humour as it can't be the most cheerful of professions.

  • Re: North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Feb-2014
    Good to read R.J.Meads "Growing Up With Southall From 1904" again on the high street shops. It also mentions about child burials on the following page.
    Makes you want to read his book all over again.

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Feb-2014
    yes page 5 shops...page 6 child deaths infections etc..walking funeral...1912 and shelaby..lots to read.
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/growingup/page6.html

  • Re: North Road by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 8-Feb-2014
    Does anybody remember a George Pudney who I believe went to North Road School in the Early 1940`s

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Feb-2014
    I do......he's my Big brother. He is happy and well, soon to celebrate his 80 th birthday. How do you know him Dennis? Where did you live? Chris xx

  • Re: North Road by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 8-Feb-2014
    HI Chris;
    I went to North Road School that is where I met George, I believe he lived in North Rd, I lived in Burns Avenue, I was talking to an Old School Pal from Masefield Ave, called Rod Russell and we where reminiscing about our Time at North Road in the 1940`s and he mentioned George Pudney, and that stirred my memory. Rod told me that he thought Georges G/Father was the Blacksmith. I am 80 i... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Feb-2014
    happy 80th dennis...and George..and best wishes Masefield ave friend...

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Feb-2014
    Hello Dennis. Grand Dad was shoe repairer had shop at 45 North Road, near the green and the Plough Pub. Our parents closed the shop in 1973. My mum passed away 2012 aged 98 years. They ran the shop from 1933 when it was newly built. There was a blacksmith in North Road, just by Amsdem & Pope newspaper/sweet shop. Those were the days. I will ask George if he remembers you both. Chris x

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 9-Feb-2014
    Dennis..I have been in touch with George and he remembers you too. He says. "Do you recall 'sneaking off school' and going home with him and making thick toast & butter". Strange thing to remember! Also, he says you may have thought grandad had been a blacksmith because of his disfigured face which had been caused by being kicked by a horse. Chris x

  • Re: North Road by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 10-Feb-2014
    HI Chris; Georges Tea&Toast has stirred another very Happy Memory, It is strange that now at nearly 80 years old I can remember things from long ago, but can`t remember What I had for Breakfast Yesterday, where is George living now, I am for my Sins in Milton Keynes. Give George my Very best for his coming 80th.
    DEN

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 10-Feb-2014
    I will pass your message on. George has had a wonderful life, lived and worked all over the world. Now in Thorpe Bay. Chris x

  • Re: North Road by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 10-Feb-2014
    Hi Chris. I believe it was your brother George and his wife (can't recall her name) that I knew when I was about 17/18. If I'm thinking of the right brother a few of us used to visit them, I think usually on a Saturday afternoon, at a flat they had in one of the roads off Southall Broadway. Can't remember how we met them but they were a lovely couple. I'm hitting 75 in the near future, but think y... more >>

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Feb-2014
    happy 75th near future .phyl..many happy returns of the day.xx

  • Re: North Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 11-Feb-2014
    Yes Phyl ..George &June lived in Oswald Road. They went to America in 1957 and never looked back. George was very successful in his career moves. They travelled the world. They have been blessed with a wonderful life. June is as beautiful as ever, still looks like a fashion model. They still play golf every week too! Both happy and well. Chris x

  • Re: North Road by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 11-Feb-2014
    Phyl I wassorry to hear that pat scarbrow is no longer with us I think she was about my age .

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Feb-2014

    Doris Scarbrow was at North Road School with me -1934-1940

  • Re: North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Feb-2014
    sally scarbrow in the southall pk photo 1959/60 yrs.ages 11/12 ish..roughly..group girls.photo..dormers girls...had mrs foot English teacher..pk group.sheila aspel.janet Roberts off north rd lived..sally north ave..

  • Re: North Road by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 11-Feb-2014
    Chris, so glad to hear that George and June (yes, I remember her name now and she was always very glamorous)are well and prosperous.
    Sheila, my cousin Pat died many years ago.
    Doris was one of her sisters. They were all the children of my Uncle Charlie (my Dad's brother)and Aunt Sarah and they did live in North Avenue.

  • Re: North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Mar-2014
    Another name from North Road has come back to me-Richard Churn-he lived in the part between Uxbridge Road and Kingsley Avenue

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Bluebell wood by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Jan-2014
Nearly time for bluebells. I vaguely remember cycling to a bluebell wood along Windmill Lane or thereabouts not too sure of the location. Anyone else remember going there? Can you recall exactly where it might have been? Must have been almost 60 years ago. Chris x   
  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    windmill lane..south of the 3 bridges...on the right west side..field north areas of old Osterley estate..goes towards roman bridge over stream tributary of brent river..architect arch Robert adam.open nature areas.wood be bluebells......jazz etc sport venue hut...tentlow lane running down to norwood green.....east side windmill lane..warren farm lands to trumpers.canal river brent...now all sports grounds..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    yes left east side after 3 bridges..south...off to left east side footpath warren field to trumpers goes off area of river brent canal...off left..east..YES blue bell wood ..cycle people several remember 50s etc yrs...nice hedgerows nature along there left..east today now..keep going down windmill lane south and brunei villa...hare hounds pub..back entry Osterley hse horss lakes fishing.then on to... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    scroll link.half way down...left east side windmill lane..well known..long wood blue bells...and trumpers footpath crossing area blue bells.going towards hanwell locks.......off wyke green area of Osterley grounds now owned by national trust....but the huge massive m4 motorway..huge motorway bridge goes across windmill lane now...still some natural dense hedgerows to the left east...but new m4 .ca... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    http://edithsstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/river-brent-wyke-green.html

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jan-2014
    I can remember going with my family to a Bluebell wood and picking masses of bluebells, most of which were all drooping by the time we got home. I'm sure my mum wasn't with us as we picked the bluebells to give to her. I know it was a very long walk from the entrance until we reached the woods, but I can't remember going down Windmill Lane, but it must be well over seventy years ago. Would there h... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 29-Jan-2014
    I seem to remember there was a Prisoner of War Camp somewhere around Bluebell woods during the 2ndWW.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    famous bluebell woods ..many most went to was cranford house park grounds woods...fair way in from entrance huge ..long ..grounds...all long west south going..from junction pub bridge western rd ..down south .southall lane...on west right side cranford bluebells..the famous splash area there ford in yeading brook join rename river crane........also Ruislip lido woods oak and bluebells..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jan-2014
    No, it definitely wasn't Cranford Woods. I'm sure we got on a bus after leaving the long walk after the Bluebell Woods.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    ah good....bus brings you home from ..Ruislip woods...medieval oak..blue bells..names like mad bess wood etc...

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    burnham beeches bluebells..
    http://www.plantlife.org.uk/wild_plants/important_plant_areas/burnham_beeches

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jan-2014
    No it wasn't Ruislip Woods Yvonne. As it seems as if Osterley was the nearest to us in Southall it must have been that.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    yes Osterley..late spring.south west woods blue bells..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    lovely to see called huge stands bluebells.at.Middlesex finest remaining wood..old pk wood harefield..behind hospital as it runs down south to the canal summerhse lane..nature reserve many yrs..
    http://edithsstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/londonhertfordshire-border-harefield_31.html

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jan-2014
    The only bluebells you will find in Burnham Beeches these days are concrete ones.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 29-Jan-2014
    Pauline the way I remember going to the woods was thru southall park under the railway, AEC on the left.Across a foot bridge where the line into the AEC went, then a bridge across the Brentford line.At the end of this road was a small humpback bridge where the road led to the woods.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jan-2014
    Thanks Ron. Perhaps my dad being an AEC man would have known that way. What a lot of years ago that all was. Lovely days in Southall! I bet you're not getting all this rain we're having?

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 29-Jan-2014
    Hi everyone. I'm pretty sure Bluebell Woods were reached from Tentelow Lane, just before you get to Windmill Lane, and was what is now Osterley Sports Club. We were there last year for our grandson's footie club final (they won!).

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 29-Jan-2014
    Radio 4 today (29 Jan) at 6.30pm Mark Steel's in Town programme was from Southall. It will be available on BBC inlayer for a week. I found it interesting as well as funny.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 29-Jan-2014
    I meant BBC iPlayer of course.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Jan-2014
    I think it WAS VIA TENTLOW LANE that I cycled to bluebell wood all those years ago. Thanks! I can still see the bluebells in my minds eye. Chris x

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    well done footie phyl...gt off windmill lane chris

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    6.30//30mins..the comedian visits southall celebrating what makes the place its people so distingtive......mark steel In town.wednesday

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    leisure area today...from glade lane..across canal to tentlow lane..sports centre area.on south side..then behind by .is tentlow wood today.and meadow.....roman bridge.by architect Robert adam.so.north back side of Osterley estate.bluebells...to the west norwood green to the east 3 bridges and windmill lane..
    http://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/200102/walking/964/historical_walking_guides/5

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jan-2014
    Phyl - Can you remember if there were large gates at the entrance to the Bluebell Woods before the long wide walk till you actually got to the bluebells? I can remember it was so hot walking.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    if it helps...large tall black iron gates into Osterley..extensive grounds ..so to get to the woods far over is a fair walk...jersey rd gates entry high brick wall..Osterley...120 bus..walk.east to the gates....national trust since 1950s..free entry grounds..preserved ..heritage nature trees etc...by gt NT

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jan-2014
    Yes Yvonne, they were tall black gates at the entrance. Maybe we did get on a 120 bus in Southall but where would we have got off? I wish I could remember all of it, but I can't.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    Heston rd..going towards Hounslow...before you get to gt west rd....bus stop 120 by jersey rd..left east walk.along jersey rd.to gates ..left north side high wall estate...tall black iron gates.left...in street view......if you get off 120 Heston church...I lived behind...stroll field footpath..through Osterley field and in side way of estate.....left .west side...woods preserved by NT...fair stroll up into woods...

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jan-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. I still can't remember the route. Put it down to old age!

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    ok..nice anyway bluebells are..show my street the 2012 street view is nice

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 30-Jan-2014
    Sorry Pauline, I can't remember tall black gates, but perhaps you did get into bluebell woods via Osterley Park. No gates that I can remember, and certainly none now via Tentelow Lane Sports Club. But the old memory plays tricks, as I suspect it does for most of us nowadays!

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jan-2014
    yes phyl.vaguely know tentlow lane..lovely heritage there .preservation that they keep..that long..south side right..greenery ..open...as you approach the many yrs old area of sports centre Osterley..just usual open entrance of such ..only open..for all the fields open areas ..south...so the north of.Osterley estate..spreading across..now owned by borough ealing.open spaces...

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Jan-2014
    I think perhaps you're right Phyl. I am certain about the gates and the long walk down to the bluebell woods, but just can't remember how we got there or back. I asked my sister if she remembers and she can only remember the bluebells, and she's younger than me.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    amazing photos...in google..bluebell woods Osterley park grounds...is long walk down from high black gates then off through woods.preserved by national trust who have owned it all since the war.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=image+bluebell+woods+osterley+park&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Jan-2014
    Thank you Yvonne. Beautiful photos of Osterley Bluebell Woods.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by thompson (Member 10241148) on 31-Jan-2014
    As a 15/16 year old Me and My pal would cycle to our Saturday Job at Hilliers Bakery In Osterley from Southall. We would go down the lane from Norwood Green which is now bisected by the M4, to the rear gates of Osterley House and cycle through the grounds to the main gates. It was a pleasant trip at 6am

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    yes we have often gone back entry ...the lane from norwood green....walk long path down to mansion hse..lakes..back entry little farm lodge hse..fence entry there.footpath...and ALSO the side entry from windmill lane hare hounds pub..horses brown rabbits and home guard high concrete fire range wall..there.to back lakes fishing.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    yes noisy m4 goes across bridle path..old fields there..back of Osterley...the watercourse stream earl jersey had taken off river brent.goes across..Robert adam built grade 2 listed roman bridge there arch..comes under borough ealing...border of Hounslow...so south of tentlow lane..street view shows the public footpath style.in the long row hedges....preserved ....into the area..glade lane southal... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    Cyril hilliers bakery Osterley in frith memories in google...
    http://www.francisfrith.com/osterley/#utmcsr=bing.com&utmcmd=referral&utmccn=bing.com

    gapps store ..butchers..double front chemist..hilliers...by memory of clive warneford...swt sho newsagent,near

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    2 photos of the Osterley parade shops..thornbury rd..1955..on the frances frith site Osterley .in google.....gapps store on the end...think it says along united dairy..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 31-Jan-2014
    With all the Osterly talk is the lake still there, this was free fishing providing you sent off to the then ministry of Parks for a permit. During the school holidays you had trouble finding a swim.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    yes huge long areas lake permit fishing national trust own whole area...lots good photos all in google..free films..in google to..of whole areas there

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jan-2014
    There also used to be 2 fishponds in front of the house the lawns show where by the shades of grass even today.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 31-Jan-2014
    From my recollections the 2 ponds close to the house were no fishing areas. The free fishing area was a large lake far to the right of the house.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    yes the large long .over the side back..lake still there.........roundish pond by south side house ducks swans...lots photos in google.....in front of house was once round pond but filled in lots extensive grass picnics.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jan-2014
    as you say in front of the house but far over the back..across grass from the front of the house runs long length lake..long and curves round.....but yrs ago..by the entrance front of house was ornamental round pond.in front of the entrance hse steps but filled in grassed over..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-Jan-2014
    The contributions on Osterley park reminds me that I went fishing with my dad in one of the ponds-we didn't catch anything. I can't remember how we got there.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 1-Feb-2014
    We used to enter at the bottom of the lane and walk through the woods which had a footpath. Fishing was never easy, mainly due to the amount of people fishing. But if you knew what you were doing you should catch something there. It had a good head of bream when I fished it. But again you needed to cast a long way out.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 1-Feb-2014
    By the house I remember playing with friends in the Adams orangery. We would push the priceless windows up and down. Also in an outbuilding there was a very old fire engine. It was all owned by the National Trust but everything was far less formal and less regulated then. In the Summer, the seats along the walks from the house were a favourite haunt of mine after school to sit and do homework. I a... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by thompson (Member 10241148) on 1-Feb-2014
    Thanks for the link to Hilliers of Osterley. This links is where a kid from Southall now lives

    http://www.francisfrith.com/bonchurch/photos/the-grange-private-hotel-c1950_b139068/

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2014
    ok Thompson..good site frith....yes NT..lots staff now...orangery and private gardens ..off there..paying kiosk..path to walk through there now entry payment private lovely gdns orangery went yr ago...generalgrounds ...big side pond big long back lake grounds free entry..back entry yes...denis and bill..theirs of home guard there..high curve concrete fire range listed heritage still there..home gu... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2014
    your link......bonchurch isle wight 1955 ..frith...eastdene hse ..nice...the lounge.photo.1955....the grange ..1955..nice..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2014
    mayor southall 57/8 yrs and.yrs.Johnson haigh..his wife daughter retired to isle wight daughter still very contributing there..dee.she is in google active support there items.at isle wight

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Feb-2014
    Yvonne there are some pictures of the Home Guard shooting butts at Osterley on my Flicker site.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Feb-2014
    Denis - I've just had a look at the target butts on your d.sexton428 photostream at Osterley Park and it rang a bell when I saw that Osterley House. I think there was a building like that on the right hand side as we walked towards the bluebell woods.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Feb-2014
    Glad to be of help Pauline.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by sandy (Member 10081984) on 1-Feb-2014
    Is this D Sexton of the 51st Cosford??

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Feb-2014
    Could i ask what the 51st Cosford is plese.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Feb-2014
    Hi Sandy thanks for asking but have never been in the RAF.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    thanks denis yes gt photos..we took some as well about 5yrs ago...far east corner Osterley pk grounds..over towards windmill lane side little fence entry horses..hare hounds pub..east back of fishing lakes..the butts high concrete..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Feb-2014
    Yes dad must have done target practise at them.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    yes council has listed butts heritage not to be demolished

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    1956....photo...George dragon pub..33 high st north side uxbridge rd...along from town hall..1956...right of it east....servis shop..3 1956 shops there...in photo.pub closed long time ago....seats inside fireplace unique gone..old feature it had.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    phyl.......got 1956 photo high st southall..by George dragon pub..old 1956 shop....called.servis....do you know it..3 shops in row ..east side right side of pub...thanks my dear...north side uxbridge rd..before white hart pub.....

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Chris (Member 10220786) on 2-Feb-2014
    High street.....on the corner by school passage was Ethrington Dairy....run by Archie, who also delivered our milk in Grove Terrace. There was also a sweet shop and a shoe repair shop too. Chris x

  • Re: Bluebell wood by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Feb-2014
    The sweet shop was run by two sisters I believe there name s were miss watkin phyll is bount to remeber spicers the undertaters was next to the boot mender next to r
    Them was the side way to the george pub , after t he pub were more shops there was a hardware shop tucker the pram shop I believe they sold sewing machines also then there was a ladiieds hair dressers ithink after that a part of ab... more >>

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Chris (Member 10220786) on 2-Feb-2014
    The hairdressers was McDonalds. Separate little cubicles inside so you could have your hair done in private. The hardware/corn shop was I think called CHANDLERS. Wooden floor boards and a strong smell of sawdust/ seed. Also a toy shop called THE INTEREST shop. I loved to gaze in the window. They sold pocket money toys too. Chris xx

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Feb-2014
    I think we have talked of the interest shop before i think it sold magic tricks jokes ect it was across Bradburys the jewelers.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    chris Sheila denis so lovely reading..gt.thanks .so nice.....until recent..sew singer shop.was corner there .by 3 horseshoes pub.south side at traffic lights .but has closed now.......

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2014
    Are we going to be able to see this 1956 photo of the George & Dragon?

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    yes and shops and cars 1956..board .will se what comes now

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    board21 ...lots just gone on

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. That's the best photo I've seen of the George & Dragon. Haven't looked at Southalboard21 for a while and there are some really lovely photos on there.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    yes gt 21..lots..so glad you like 1956 George dragon.wonder who lady gent are walking west along....and 1985 of George dragon.there

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2014
    Could that be the sweet shop next door to the Servis shop. As Sheila said the owners were Watson it looks like a W at the beginning of the sign over the shop. Only a thought.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    busy windows etc thought it looked like that sort of shop to the right..yes..1956 and yrs around then looks old shop....to the left is it optician.next to George dragon side gate fence pub

    dark brown shop place if optician ..small plce......then servis..then sweets could be..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    yes defo...wa...Sheila we have photo your Watson shop....3rd one along east from..George dragon shop...1956.and yrs around.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    miss watkin..2 sisters....wa in photo..whole left side of shop full high windows sweets ..gt....PHYL...Sheila..remember...gt.1956 and before..high st north side

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2014
    Sorry, my mistake. I said Watson and Sheila said Watkin. That's the trouble sometimes you start writing the message and forget what you've just
    read. In the smaller picture of the George & Dragon there is WAT over the shop front!

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2014
    gt help so grateful Pauline..you are gt..yes wat ...well done memory Sheila watkin sister miss watkin 1956...gt photo..rare info..looks like 3 jars sweets on bottom shelf in left window..always little weigh machines to everything ..but not today.....ready packed things today.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    195 bus in 1985 ish photo at pub....southall town hall bus...hayes end yeading lane..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    As you mentioned that some of our members can't get all the Southallboards Yvonne, is it possible that you could also put this latest rare photo of the George & Dragon on Southallboard (the very first one we did) so that Sheila and others can see it. I haven't put any photos on, so don't know if it is possible. I just know that everyone can get Southallboard.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    good idea Pauline thanks...will do..1st board just called southallboard ..often comes up in google...George dragon there..now

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    they look nice Pauline....denis.all...queen Philip go to anniversary 70 yrs dday beaches this june...we went few yrs ago..and to museums and to glider.pegasus bridge etc..was interesting..she went to 60th there also..........100yrs 1st war.this yr 4yrs bbc.tv items on....we went to ypes and menin gate few yrs ago was interesting..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2014
    Thank you Yvonne that's so good of you to put the George & Dragon on Southallboard. Now Sheila will be able to see what she has been telling us about.
    Just tap in Southallboard in Google

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    lovely Pauline...let us know Sheila....in your google space ..on your screen..search....just type in southallboard....and click the link..

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Feb-2014
    Thanks Yvonne yes whent to the 60th did all 5 beaches & cemeterys the German gun battery at point du Hock, Pegasus bridge. Queen & Prince Philip & Ronald Ragen there eveybody confined to there camp sites until they left then whent to see the Mulberry harbour.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Feb-2014
    We sailed on the ferry Normandy which was full of veterans as we entered the Solent 4 worships followed us into the Channel then formed up each quarter of the ferry & escorted us 1 each from America France Canada & Briton stayed with us across the Channel it is a day i will never forget.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    we drove along each beach.memorials..car parks...the museums..Pegasus..caen.new big museum in city was demolished bombed...hock..mulberry..and top cliff usa big cemetety music lake and viewing centre..huge graves etc.,,.mary eglise church with parachute hanging.museum there...queen Philip for 70th...tonight new series 9pm bbc1..j paxman..1st war 4 parts,,

  • Re: Bluebell wood by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Feb-2014
    We took the car it seem we visited the same things, we also got to Villa Bocarge where Michael Witman in his Tiger Tank took out a lot of British armour in the town.

  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2014
    mary eglise was lovely.rebuilt bombed to nothing at war....tony drove other side road not too bad..some car parks ok..bad mad motorway to caen...but ok......back from Cherbourg good water trip lucky calm.sea

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Bluebell wood by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Jan-2014
Nearly time for bluebells. I vaguely remember cycling to a bluebell wood along Windmill Lane or thereabouts not too sure of the location. Anyone else remember going there? Can you recall exactly where it might have been? Must have been almost 60 years ago. Chris x   
  • Re: Bluebell wood by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jan-2014
    visit raf uxbridge....several lovely links here.
    youtube film etc
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=trmt+visit+raf+uxbridge&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

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New thread 4 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Jan-2014
Good morning all

I now live in Arundel, West Sussex, and if any more "messages" are posted from spurious "estate agents", their contact details (e. g. mobile phone number) will be sent to the Inland Revenue investigations unit with covering information, in order to prevent further pollution or contamination of our wonderful boards
  
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New thread 3 by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Jan-2014
Good morning all. I now live in Essex. Moved here in 1965 when my daughter was 6 weeks old.

When did you last visit Southall?

I went appx 4 years ago with my daughter, ... more >>
  
  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    lovely day chris..gt for 45 yr old daughter .gt nostalgia.north rd green..that whole section not changed too much plough pub still open..rare

  • Re: New thread 3 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Jan-2014
    Ref Weston super Mare - I have three cousins living in Weston super Mare - all born in Southall.

    I moved from Southall in 1967 but been back a few times to visit dad's grave in Hortus Cemetery and also my grandmother and great grandparents in Havelock Cemetery.

    Also to visit my Aunt in Marlborough Road, although she has also moved out of the a... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    yes ours was big family..times modern 1960s 70s moving..cars..we like Weston..nan gdad Havelock..back to nans gt gran died 1893 age 92 Havelock.cemetery......bapt 1801 norwood green..Havelock opened 1860s ish ..norwood green tiny church yard got full
    ..before 1870.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jan-2014
    I last visited Southall in 2000. My brother David asked me what I would like to do on my birthday when I was 69. I said I would love to visit Southall one last time, as my dad was the last one to die in 1971 so we had no other connections after that. I was quite excited and we first made our way by car to Northcote Avenue where we had spent our childhood. Grubhams the little grocers had changed ha... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    lovely day.shame about the fall..but amazing to see so much after so many yrs..gt day.

  • Re: New thread 3 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Jan-2014
    Worth looking at the Greenford County Grammar school photos (different years there) see how many locals you recognise

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    yes so many photos there each yr..good..lots southall off lady marg rd areas went there.

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    Last visited Southall 3 weeks ago go as often as can, no ties with Southall only mum in Havelock cemetery now.

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    Was it Mr Osgood who had the red Bond mini car.

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    Correction there was a sports teacher in the 1950 called Mr Wilde i think he had the Bond mini car.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    we used to see about 6 cars boys side 6 girls.teachers only allowed in centre door up theirs only stair to 2 staffrooms..visitors came in to 2 head teachers offices there.....but demolished 2012 only new entry Allenby rd now.about 1400 pupils include 6th form

  • Re: New thread 3 by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 25-Jan-2014
    I last visited Southall yesterday, mind you I only live Yeading so it's only a short walk to the canal and then over the footbridge and I'm in Southall. Usually walk down to Spikes Bridge Park everyday and along the Broadway a couple of times a week.
    The last vestige of the old Spikes Bridge Park is now gone, the running track has been dug up and they are in the process of laying an all-weather s... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    got couple photos of the dig up along southall broadway up 2014 new refacelift.and along places along was woolworths..north side south side.pavement rd digging..photo shows the old .tram rail tracks buried under quick tar..they have dug up removed now....oh old track gone...lots money football being spent there..and bit of historic old spikes bridge..ah..

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    used to watch swings ..left side ..right side very high slide...but fear to see ..kids so near danger crazy .high swings..eratic.use and kids near...roundabout..wigwam witches hat.can be accidents.1950s 60s

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    clever name for west side willowtree marina..complex..pond.off west side durdans...café restaurant bistr there but new now...clever.name lock and quay.yeading marina.lived in barges area.£35.5 course.per person..bar

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jan-2014
    After reading your account of Southall and Spikes Bridge Park Colin, I'm so pleased I saw Southall in 2000. There were changes then in the park, as when we were kids the bowling green was always in use opposite the Sports Pavilion. That was gone then, but I still remembered the lovely smelling roses which were growing in a bed at the bottom of the bowling green which was much higher up. The petals... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Yes Spikes bridge was a playground for us all. I spent hour after hour in the tennis courts. Some times we paid, sometimes we didn't. All that vast area of grass was alive during the school holidays. We always entered by the Cranliegh gardens gate, rather than go all the way round.
    We used to walk through to go fishing in the cut, which in them days was free fishing, happy days.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    cormorant flies the canal along there heron so looking for fish..tennis 60s we walked from dormers school side gate cranleigh..into spikes and tennis lessons.white skirts we had to make in needlework.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Jan-2014
    We didn't ever play tennis in the courts. The only time we went in the courts was when we climbed over the top of the wire in the early morning to collect the shrapnel that had landed from the air raid the night before.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    shrapnel..gt..my favourite memory from you..is your telling us of your 2 brothers trying to carry home the large heavy part bomb from southall pk area..leaving it along by town hall..trying to go back to find it..so good you telling us..radio 4 extra now on.archive.violet carson..and huge programme..on corrie etc.ena.elsie tony warren..we did go to corrie tour Granada.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Jan-2014
    Yes, I've just had a quick look at David's autobiography, and he said it was the "jet section" that was still intact, wahatever that was. He and brother Bob pulled it out of the crater and it was very, very heavy. They half carried and dragged it as far as the Town Hall, but ran home to get some help, but when they came back it was gone. I won't use the words he said but suffice to say someone had taken it!!

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    such shame think arp or other kids got it..shame..they were young to carry..6ish david perhaps..jet section.your dad tipped them off I think..from aec .he knew of bombing.during night .hit along by southall pk..getting home early morning .so think you said boys ran off to find...must have been gt crater in southall pk...such huge adventure.even though terrible times.would have loved to have seen t... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Jan-2014
    No, I've just worked it out Yvonne. The buzz bomb that fell was in July 1944, so David would have been nearly 8 and Bob was 11. Yes, it was my dad who came home early from his night shift at the AEC and told them, and David said they were over there in a flash!

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    in a flash gt.8 /11 gt lads to carry try

  • Re: New thread 3 by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Jan-2014
    That V1 which fell in Southall Park brought the ceiling down on my bed-I lived at 74 North Road.I wasn't in it,but was in the Morrison Shelter downstairs

  • Re: New thread 3 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Jan-2014
    With the thought of Cranliegh Gardens going through my mind, and as this route, along with the flats just up the road, was my paper round back in the day. But I remember a paddling pool being built when I was about 8, just over the road from the flats so is it still there? or has that also been redeveloped.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    paddling pool went long time ago photo of it is about...they filled it in.50s.60s people enjoyed it..by 80s must have been filled in grass there..canal new very good well layed.tow path joggers cycles dog walkers pushchairs use well..

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    in google...says....derelict long time long yrs...by 2003 new facelift of the gardens...£40000.to demolish pool and buildings,,put new security fence...renew playground equipment...spending aside £91000...cranleigh gdns

  • Re: New thread 3 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Jan-2014
    Some where in the back of my mind, the civil defence club used to be around that area. When I moved to Somerset in 1972 my local was the Lady Margaret, but as time moved on and if we came home for a week end we found the locals had moved to the civil defence club, as the Margarets clientele was changing.
    So I should now ask when did that building get knocked down as it was made of corrugated she... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    lady marg pub..been health centre many yrs...in same preserved building...can see on street view with same parade shops chemist etc to left south was chip shop at corner..

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jan-2014
    There's a lovely picture of the Lady Margaret pub on Southallboard52. Also a picture of the new Health Centre in Google.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Jan-2014
    Well that has surprised me, the wife and I have standing joke that the next time we visit Southall we will call into the Margaret for a pint and see how it changed. What next, no Margaret, no Three horse shoes, no Whit Hart, no Byron, no Greenford Hotel.. has the Bee Hive and Plough Survived.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    north rd beehive plough open...norwood green plough...old oak tree .junction pubs open...Havelock pub now betting office..victory pub now hotel..3 tins pub now hotel.northcote pub derelict fire..3 horseshoe open at moment but ..George dragon gone...redlion open.by southall pk...Greenford redlion went nov 2012..white hart Greenford rd gone..hambro pub hayes bridge open

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    seagull pub turned into night club...wedding receptions tends to be used for now...civil engineer was by gone now taylor woodrow...pub open....white hart yeading lane open..2012 industry yeading lane gone...but grapes along at uxbridge rd junction open..waggonhorses uxbridge rd by hayes bridge went few yrs ago.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    litten pub Greenford went few yrs ago but along brit legion and railway tavern open..with junction western ave bridge hotel expanded and open.....hare hounds pub by Greenford grammar open ..Allenby pub closed about 10 yrs ago..beehive open..

  • Re: New thread 3 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Jan-2014
    Yvonne thank you for cheering me up. Every pub I used in Southall has gone. My Dad Used to get me to meet him me in the Red Lion by the park, on a Saturday on his way home from the AEC. That place was iffy then, so must have something going for it now.

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jan-2014
    Tom the paddling pool is still there but filled in.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    2004 link sent you derelict pool..they filled in.grassed over....took down buildings..red lion still there hotel as well by southall park...redlion Greenford high st went nov 2012.now flats.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    long time ago huge indoor swim pool built in grounds dormers seniors..and gym and sports facility....gurnell new swim pool built 1981..ruislip rd by cuckoo.off Greenford....Northolt huge mosern swim pool diving etc.complex sport..by Northolt tube station.....uxbridge Olympic size pool built .opened by Sharon davis of Olympic gold...ealing broadway pubs many open...

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jan-2014
    Don't think you'd like the Red Lion pub and hotel by Southall Park now. Suggest you read the guests opinion of it. I did just now!

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    the ones who have written about nostalgia trips back...long term people of southall and southall green.of many yrs ago.were kids etc southall.long yrs....come back few times..in recent yrs and use 3 tuns pub hotel.which is.now hotel called mehfil..east side southall green by Osterley pk rd..corner there...genuine very good reports.they were welcomed and very good stays they said there..in last few... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Jan-2014
    I was amazed that the Litton Hotel in Greenford went, but as always, there was more profit in selling the building land than in selling beer

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    litten old peoples home built on site

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jan-2014
    Talking of pubs that have gone i have heard that the Old Oak Tree on the Common is in trouble.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    will check denis...has been slow many yrs..but does ..bb..hotel room..got big sign for it..by canal..pub front..1800s..lots history..brickmaking labourers etc...old days yrs..so will see ..thanks

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    reliable source denis...IS open but quiet...hope summer ..gets people....bb hotel as well keeps it going..

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    had fairly recent refurbish..think that was t get hotel bb rooms into it...perhaps smarten bar also.....my gdads pub..ha...1870 to 1928...they were all around there..dad born next door to pub..west side...left

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jan-2014
    Yvonne tried to book in got a reply stating this hotel is not taking booking tried to email there web site came back mail failure.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    oh.......mehfil.was3 tuns pub..southall green..lots of 1950s southall chaps stay at when nostalgia return in recent times
    ...say mehfil treats them gt say good there..opposite dilloways.....slow time oak pub..winter..but will keep eye...if internet web down....phone is..0208 574 5851.postcode ub2 5pj...may be their website not working...

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jan-2014
    Thanks Yvonne but Oak Tree blocked by Booking.com to.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    thanks..if their web or such not working...phone might work...they seem to think pub hotel is open........if booking web site internet not working

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jan-2014
    Ok thanks.

  • Re: New thread 3 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jan-2014
    I hope you weren't thinking of booking in that hotel Denis, as I spent a great deal of time today looking it up. As Yvonne mentioned, and as I read, the Mehfil hotel had excellent ratings, and lots of recommendations from everyone that had stayed there. It was a proper hotel. However the one you tried to book was disastrous, and every review was quite appalling. If you look at some of them you wil... more >>

  • Re: New thread 3 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jan-2014
    Hi Pauline thank you for the warning & advice.

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As Suggested New Thread No 2 by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 24-Jan-2014
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year   
  • Re: As Suggested New Thread No 2 by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 24-Jan-2014
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  • Re: As Suggested New Thread No 2 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    bob happy new yr

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As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 23-Jan-2014
Just want to say belated happy new year to one and all. Long live our treasured memories of our childhood home..SOUTHALL. Chris x   
  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Jan-2014
    Happy New Year to you Chris and everyone else. Thank goodness we still have so many treasured memories of our beloved Southall! Long may this lovely site last.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 23-Jan-2014
    I am sure this site will continue, so many lovely people contribute, sharing memories of happy times. Chris x

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    happy new year chris and family from us..yes lovely members here gt site

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    happy new yr Pauline and everyone.from us..gt site

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    Happy New Year Yvonne. Yes it is a great site with lovely people!

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    Thanks for your suggestion Fred, and thank you Chris for starting this new thread. I could not think of something to start off.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    birdwatch this weekend 600000.people did last yr..freepost.rspb.or on line.often get rook..magpie robin.blackbird..sometimes goldfinch.wren.woodpecker.long tail tit gt tit..woodpigeon.starling..garden..squirrel ..if fox.wagtail.rare sparrow

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    I was born in Derwent Road, and worked for Westlands
    Until it closed in 1972 and then went to work for Kearley and Tonge in the warehouse that was left of the factory following its closure. Westlands eventually persuaded me to move to Weston Super Mare where I have lived since November 1972. My thoughts always return to Southall as I was a very happy bunny in them days. On my few returns to South... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    gt to hear you tom.my aunt loved working kearley think it closed 1970 ish..last jam ole run..their own coal dock off canal..arrived from Birmingham.barges..we went couple yrs ago Weston.holiday..great helicopter museum spent couple ours there .good museum in town..new pier now.street view free in google goes around southall.2012...fairey was gt hayes southall border many yrs..

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jan-2014
    Tom

    About a year or so ago I put a list up of all the private docks on each side of the canal from Brentford to W Drayton. > > If you can find it, there are loads of interesting old company names, mostly now long forgotten. In the 1950s, I remember going on one of these old covered docks on a punt. It was if it had been abandoned years before. It was wonderful

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    docks firms..good .in google..this..http://gerald-massey.org.uk/Canal/c_chapter_10.htm

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    southall .bulls bridge etc.http://www.londoncanals.co.uk/paddarm/padarm02.html

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Jan-2014
    Hi Tom i used to go down Derwent Road on my way to Dormers Wells in the late 50s when did you live there please.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Hi Dennis I lived in Derwent Road from 1948 until 1972. I attended Dormers and didn't want to leave.
    You could have known my 2 brothers who were a lot older than me, they also went to Dormers Names of Fred and Sid.
    One was made on football the other was made on rugby.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-Jan-2014
    I went to Dormers 1956 to 1961. Happy days, didn't want to leave. Cried all the way home! Chris x

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-Jan-2014
    We need a few more entries on here to achieve our aim folks...keep it going.

    Chris x

    Ttfn ...all for one and one for all! Stick together folks !

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Hi Chris can you name any of the teachers at Dormers Wells. I can only remember the Head Mr Ebbott, who retired while I was there and a Mr Grace took over.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    yes photos of ebbut retired.grace had west side office think boys had cane in there...lucky chris and myself girls school had morris headmistress and no cane ...boys teachers..we had east side girls female teachers.until merger 1967.some teachers retired did not want merger

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    in genes reunited photo ebbutt..with football against hayes...sports teacher bellion...1957/8......gosney cup..boys amos Johnson Conway etc...more teachers names under comments memories

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    dormers band 1957..try on trumpet lipscomb guitar.coleman drums..music teacher photo..there

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jan-2014
    There's an easier way of getting rid of "unwelcome postings"

    Just supply a copy of the ad with the mobile phone number (these people only ever use mobiles, with no address) to the Inland Revenue (now called "HMRC" and advise them of the business this guy is running and ensuring that his taxes are up to date on his declared income. I assure you he will never post anything here again

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    photo there of Stephen deacon..carnell creech 1960.F R>dormers.school .john corney...h t ebbutt suppose harry...new building 2012 .old 1934 demolished..new security entrance now Allenby rd..students usually use security swipe cards or finger print entry..glass modern building drama art IT.etc..swim pool.gym..gardening..built out on field..dinner hut at far back went long time ago..woman head now..... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Yvonne just registered on Genes, can you advise best way to find these items on this site, thanks Tom

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    we have all complained yrs now they changed it all several yrs ago..hard to use now..pity..I put dormers .ebutt etc in google and photos came up....with site type in dormers wells senior school southall.then hope photos come up.john corney put on lots cricket rugby gosney cup..football..by huts on boys low wall photos prefects 1957./8...what yrs are you.............1955 rugby..1957 re gwyther and ... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Jan-2014
    I agreed. It was easy to use at first but now so difficult to navigate around the site so tend to give up after a while.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Jan-2014
    Can anybody remember where the school dentist used to be? I can remember going to have 4 teeth out but can't remember where. Had gas in those days.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    wrote to them several times.nothing done..they said thought people preferred..but it is useless ...was so good.quick easy use..photos still there bit is there

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    we had gas 50s northcote clinic corner off pub nhs..and over king st church ave corner ..dental.and some more about..on site here few yrs ago..index type dentist and knowhere southall page comes up ..ctl f and highlight dentist word on month mentioned..our site here.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    Yvonne - I left Northcote Avenue in 1952, so didn't ever know the Clinic opposite the Northcote Arms. I can only remember a leather shop there and that's a bit hazy. Can anyone else remember it?

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    I used to attend the school dentist, first at North road and then at Featherstone road school. Didn't ever have gas, but was terrified of the fillings. It was like going to the block as far as I was concerned.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Jan-2014
    Ahhhh - it must have been the Northcote Clinic as I remember getting the bus with my mum from the Broadway to get home with a great big scarf wrapped round my face.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    Looking at the latest achievement of this thread by all of us reminds me what Punch (of Punch and Judy) would have said "That's the way to do it!!

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    50s was gas for extraction nhs school clinic ..but nothing for filling....leather gt Pauline...in the corner by the alley..opposite grubhams .was 1950s etc clinic ears eyes throat .teeth...sat on old benches..buy place..scared of old place.and staff..most people did not like it......opposite off to the corner of the pub...opposite along...private dentists may be south rd etc...50s

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    it must have been 2nd half of 50s..clinic northcote ave was..nhs.kids clinic ...1960s people remember it.hated it

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Jan-2014
    Speaking of Punch & Judy, Pauline, do you remember that they sometimes had Punch & Judy and other summertime shows, during the school holidays, on the grass area to the left of the swimming pool in the 'rec'.

    By the way is the pool stil there? I doubt it, by the heck it was cold even in summer.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Just remembered a few more teachers from Dormers Boys school. Mr Martin (bean head to the kids, he was bald) Mr Selby, Mr Newton, Mr Morgan, Mr Lance, Mr Truckle, Mr Cunnigham, and Mr Marshall, who was supposed to be the brother of the Marshall that made the amplifiers in Hanwell.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jan-2014
    I can't remember seeing any Punch and Judy shows during the summer holidays Fred. Perhaps they were after the war, and I was only 14 when I left SG in 1945.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    fred long time gone the pool

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    what yrs tom at dormers........yes heard of lance..he was probably still there 60s...marshall james amps...dad was southall green road off ran fish chip shop..lots items on james in google party hanwell guitar shop 2012 for him..plaque..ealing music jazz club big crowd there...brother teacher dormers that's interesting....

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Yvonne I was at Dormers from 1960 to 1965.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    snap.same here...so most photos on genes reunited 50s ..not really 60s

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    1964 school trip to Salzburg train..girls going through piazza we were asked to moved they were filming..our 2 teachers when back found out sound music.filming.so 6th form girls we went to Leicester sq to see it..gt dolby huge sound camera wide screen gt gt gt

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    in google 1960s boys...only terry sayers .Michael smith....http://namesdatabase.com/schools/UK/MI/Southall/Dormers%20Wells%20High%20School

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 24-Jan-2014
    I think we all like tnis site .southall was such a nice place to grow up in .I always thought that I d never move away but when I marriedi moved wiyh my husband to portsmouth thinking that when he came out of the navy we would move back .but by the time thathappened my parent had moved to ashford in kent with the london overspill but I have lovely memories of my childhood and im still in touch wi... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 24-Jan-2014
    Good to see everyone determined to keep this site going through thick and thin. My first memory of a dentist was visiting Parker East, being lifted into a big black chair and a black mask almost covering my face - I was three years old! His surgery was up steep stairs above a shop near Barters shoe shop (think it was Barters).
    Interesting to find another Southallian settled in Weston super Mare... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    best wishes Sheila....Janice...barretts shoe shop right of woolworths....but there were several dentists about.yes black gas mask..extractions

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jan-2014
    Yvonne I used to knock about with Terry Sayers, I think he married one of the Jackson Girls, that lived opposite him in East Ave. I have not heard of him since 1968.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 24-Jan-2014
    I left Dormers Wells 1948,Some Teachers I remember
    Sammy Reeves, Mr Watson, Mr Bladen Mr Lewis, Mr Risborough.Mr Walker.
    Very Happy Days indeed.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 24-Jan-2014
    Teachers from my years at DW 1943/7 were headmaster Mr Ebbut who wote a book on Dalias, Miss Quy,Mrs Gibbs,Walker,Hooper,Hunt,Blaydon,Willis,Gwithers,Lewis,Reeves,Osgood,Risb---- wood work teacher.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    sayers has put himself on that site ...might be yrs ago though.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jan-2014
    ron..photo on friends reunited 1957 of 2 who were of 25 yrs dormers then....h t ebbutt ...and r e gwythers

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Jan-2014
    I was at Dormers Wells 1940-1942/Headmaster Mt Ebbutt, teadchers Mr Gwyther, Mt Hooper(later called up for the RAF),Sammy Reeves, Mt Worley, Messrs Riseborough, Watson-woodwork,Mr Lewis.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    I remember Mr Ebbut he caned me often, Mr Watson (woodwork) Mr Walker, Mr Lions, Mr Osgood (sports)? Mr Lance (metalwork) Mr Scragg (gardening) if i recall correctly after 56 yrs.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    I think Mr Watson was called up for R.A.F service to.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Hi Janice, I take you are also in weston super mud.
    More teachers being Mr Bright, a Mr Truckle, was woodwork teacher, another who retired while I was there. Also Mrs Johnson who was always cold, even in summer would not open the Windows.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 25-Jan-2014
    Hi Tom Flynn - Have lived in WsM since 1982, moved from Reading. Had no connection with Southall since mother moved away in 1971.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Hi Janice, we also have no one left in Southall now.
    All gone, or what remained moved away.
    We live by Priory School off Wandsborough Road.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by thompson (Member 10241148) on 25-Jan-2014
    In the mid 1950's am I correct that MrEbutt was the headmaster of the boys school. We would stand at the edge of the playground and wait for him to come down the drive at speed in his Austin Somerset. Just waiting for the day his car would hit his office wall.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    yes ebbutt head in photo of him 1957 out back of boys hall..
    ..25 yrs school he had done it says

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Jan-2014
    Denis-youe were right about Mt Watson being called up-he was I think in the RAF

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    in google...put teachers memories dormers ..up came list from friends reunited..lance deputy.head humber snipe car.gave cane.....Watson hit pupils on foot with his walking stick...by bob cornwall ......walker did maths.................alan walker says .Watson did woodwork instead of slipper hit boys with 2x1 bit..........chin did drama..a teachers panto..by Maxine nelhams nee timberlake.............. more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    memories there...are of chris and mine yrs......sue short games netball hockey.by sue griggs long legs from northcote ave.....eva jones pe...maynard domest sci..evans mad horrid re....gabby geog was mrs Gabriel....sue says she loved fresh strawberries from boys gardening with icecream.dinner hut .back end of sports back field long path..down in line with Allenby rd...lisa ford says pirates penzanc... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jan-2014
    Mr Walker badly gassed WW1 often of school with chest problems

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Jan-2014
    Good memories of Dormers though was eager to leave and get full time job. My first boyfriend was at Dormers too, Brian Stevens. He was in the football team. Have not been to Southall for many years. My sister lives in Lincolnshire and her family have all spread out. I now live in Vancouver, Canada.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Jan-2014
    I've done this list before. On here a while ago.....but here goes again:

    Dormers wells teachers I recall.

    MISS MORRIS (HEAD). Miss Davis (Welsh lady) history. Mrs Ellis (history). MissOliver (had a limp) English and ran the library in first classroom at top of stairs near to girls cloakroom. Mrs Fischel (science). Mrs Gabriel (geography ). Mrs Bowles games (heard that she passed away... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Lynette ref your first boyfriend Brian Stevens did he get called "Charlie" by his friends.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jan-2014
    gt memory chris.ellis hist yes upstairs above evil evans...gray morris both retired at boys merge went to far west wales haverfordwest.both passed elderly..mrs foot of eng and library told me we were with her to her passing...libray 1960ish moved into new building..end by hut of maynard..newlibrary below art above..chambers retired 1961 maths good had her yr....tattersal...lynette and myself had f... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Jan-2014
    Yes Tom, he was called Charlie or Chaz. Did you know him?

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Yes Charlie was in my class, and he was the school football captain and I was rugby captain. When he left school I thought he was signed by Crystal Palace. Another one I have not seen since leaving school.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Jan-2014
    Yes, he was signed by them, played in the juniors. We went out together after leaving school and he was still with CP went we split up. Shame how we loose touch with people.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Yes Charlie was in my class, and he was the school football captain and I was rugby captain. When he left school I thought he was signed by Crystal Palace. Another one I have not seen since leaving school.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Jan-2014
    I'm not far off 70 and pleased to say I am still in touch with a few special friends from my childhood Southall days. Chris x

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 25-Jan-2014
    Lynette while I was doing my apprenticeship at Westland Helicopter I would look at the team's fielded by CP to see if Charlie made the first team, but I never saw his name, so imagine he either did not make it or had an injury that caused him problems. One Bertie Head was manager at the time.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 25-Jan-2014
    Hello Tom, lived for couple of years Longdown Drive before moving to Nelson Court (near Manor Inn) where lived 27 years, have just moved to Lyefield Road. Southall was quite a good place to be brought up in when we were young and my two brothers and myself have happy memories.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Jan-2014
    I have just remembered the name of another teacher at Dormers Wells School-Mr Hunt,He had a clubbed foot and walked with a stick-he had a very short fuse. There was also another teacher,Mr Worley.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jan-2014
    mr Worley on the list teachers at friends reunited..we knew southall Worley family 1890s to saw them again 1970s..my aunt .gdad .both gt friends with them .large family.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 26-Jan-2014
    Tom, I worked for Hestair Sherpa before I left England and I think it closed around 1971. Quite a few of the men that worked there went to Westlands.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Chris (Member 10220786) on 26-Jan-2014
    There was a Linda Worley in my class at Dormers wells. Chris x

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    unusual surname Worley bet lyn was from family southall green northhyde 1925 all yrs back and around..my family knew many yrs..mr Worley teacher 1940s etc.could be of them.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Jan-2014
    Lynette, when I started as Westlands there was always a board outside listing the jobs going, but by mid 1970 the place was packed. I had never seen so many new faces, so that gave an indication of the work situation in the area. Westland was a bad place to work in 60s and 70s, we had no organised union, and in today's terms we were close to the minimum wage level for skilled men. The Westlands I ... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    we enjoyed helicopter museum..there good few yrs now gt collection... .Weston super mare holiday 4 yrs ago.westlands etc.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jan-2014
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=weston+super+mare+helicopter+museum+westlands&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Jan-2014
    Hi Lynette just been looking at southallboard 12 and halfway down page 1 is a picture of Charlie at Tudor Road school with the football team. Don Selby is the teacher. He was also our teacher at Dormers, years later I ended up playing cricket with him for Southall tech. Happy days.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 27-Jan-2014
    Hi Tom, would love to see the photo but don't know how to get to Southallboard12. Can you help?
    I'm not familiar with Flickr. Lynette

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Jan-2014
    Hi Lynette all I do is put southallboard12 into Google and it takes you to Flickr click on that and you are in. No doubt Yvonne will correct me if I'm wrong. The picture in question is not Tudor Rd school it's Dormers, as some of the faces on there were at Lady Margaret junior's with me.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    yes tom..some do have trouble getting flickr.last 4 yrs now..pity some don't get it..54 boards.....
    .let us know lyn if you find it or not......photo from friends reunited ..photos schools section......also....

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    people could add their own photos there....let us know if you have photos to add...much appreciated................

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    tom....there is...southall football photo...half down 1......would you click comment ..there....and add type your info ..please...names etc etc...thanks...board12...anyphotos....has comment area...gt to have knowledge there...54 boards of 4 yrs work

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Jan-2014
    Will do Yvonne, there are a couple of Rugby photo,s on there of Southall Tech rugby club, who I played for until I moved to Weston, I'll sit and add some comments to those as well.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Jan-2014
    What I meant to add, was the rugby club went when they built the feeder road to the motorway. Looking at Google earth there is still some of Warren park left. From talking to ex players the Tech could not wait to get rid of us.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    warren farm pk..sports area of near 3 bridges windmill rd....thanks .put comments.photos please thanks

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Jan-2014
    Can somebody please explain how to upload photos onto Flickr. Can you add to already existing Southall boards or do you have to create your own?

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Jan-2014
    The Warren park I played rugby at was behind the Grapes. Down Carliyn way and keep walking. Looking on Google E the main road is about 20 yrs from the old main gate, which appears to still be there.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    can add to any of the 54 boards carol...will try type it...or Pauline fred might help...password and you can add to .put photo.....comments just click comments .and add comment.to photos

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    behind grapes pub uxbridge rd junction yeading lane....yes mike braden talks of sport...brookside fields yeading brook....huge sport fields each decade...down west to spikes bridge

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    many yrs still open fields there..north of grapes pub..behind...down yeading lane..brookside sports huge grass fields...parallel with uxbridge rd going west....big changes sport over decades..hayes lost its sports ground etc...

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    carol you can open your own we can look....or add to southall board...denis..opened his own flickr.southall.................ron cox Australia added to our flickr southall few times..and few did...great.....each board...so board50 password middlesex50...board12 password middlesex12...board 15 password middlesex15...you can add photos if you completely sign in with password.....let me know if we can... more >>

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    hayes yeading....warren football club in google...
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=warren+park+rugby+sports+yeading+hayes+middlesex&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Jan-2014
    Thanks Yvonne, will try.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    to put photos on sign in...ID southallboard12...then password ....type ..Middlesex12.......etc like this for each 54 board..4yrs work..southall and local...

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Jan-2014
    Put one photo on as experiment but have no idea how you get to see it. Don't think it's on Southall board.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    was it board12...will try see it....what was it of.....thanks ....

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Jan-2014
    Picture was of paddling pool building/shop

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    flickr on the screen....right side search...put in southall and some come up there of memory..
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=southall

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    lovely nostalgia...also steam trains southall station..http://www.flickr.com/groups/48765925@N00/

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 28-Jan-2014
    Tom and Eve, thanks for you help. Did manage to get on by typing into Google. So nice to see the photos. Lynette

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Jan-2014
    Lynette I have put a couple of names on the football photo, do you recognize any faces.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 28-Jan-2014
    Tom, I new Jeff Wood and I think John Masters might be there. Everyone looks so young.

  • Re: As suggested..new thread... by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jan-2014
    Pauline just found.it......on 1st board...the first one...down only little bit..john masters.and friends....thanks...for comment..tom....Charlie stevens captain..etc..thanks for the info comment...4yrs ago that board was done in the January started flickr..southall...let us know..if you are able to put other info.on photos so we can find read thanks..lovely.

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Our site by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Jan-2014
To all our members, my suggestion for negating people who try to usurp this site by putting their ads in the middle of our dialogue, is to just keep starting new Subjects so that their ads slip further & further down the page & out of view.

We are many, they are few.

  
  • Re: Our site by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jan-2014
    Good idea Fred

  • Re: Our site by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Jan-2014
    Thank you Keith.

    With every new paragraph the message sinks lower & lower.

    Until it disappears alt... more >>

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TO RENT by rentman (Member 10291063) on 22-Jan-2014
Houses & Flats WANTED for GUARANTEED RENT..

ਪ੍ਰੋਪੇਰ੍ਟੀ ਵਾੰਟੇਡ ---ਰੇੰਟ ਗੁਆਰਾਂਤੀ ......

Aap ke Makaan liye RENT GUARANTEE li j... more >>
  
  • Re: TO RENT by Chris (Member 10220786) on 22-Jan-2014
    Go away!

  • Re: TO RENT by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jan-2014
    Yes, go away

  • Re: TO RENT by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Jan-2014
    You have no place on here.

  • Re: TO RENT by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Jan-2014
    You have no place on here.

  • Re: TO RENT by thompson (Member 10241148) on 23-Jan-2014
    Sir this forum does not with to encourage the likes of you to use it as an advertising medium.

    It is for like minded folk of Southall to reminisce about the town and the fond memories that it holds.
    So with the greatest respect, please remove yourself!!

  • Re: TO RENT by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 23-Jan-2014
    I agree 100% with Thompson`s comments, and I am sure many more will agree with you.

  • Re: TO RENT by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Jan-2014
    I also agree with the comments of Thompson and others!

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Southall Laundry by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Jan-2014
Does anyone have any particular memories of Southall Laundry which was up near the The White Swan in Norwood Rd.

I know my cousin Theresa worked there but that is all I know. I do remember my grandmother admonishing her once for wearing a new dress to work saying "the bosses will be thinking they're paying you too much"
  
  • Re: Southall Laundry by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jan-2014
    Hi Fred mum used Southall Laundry in the 1950s i remember a van called & dropped clean & took dirty laundry, i can remember her marking the items with indelible ink that would not wash out, funny i still have the little bottle of ink.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 21-Jan-2014
    I do not remember S/l but do remember taking sheets ect to get a bag wash done and walking down Abbots Rd towards the bottom.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 21-Jan-2014
    My mum worked at southall laudrey she folded the clrean sheets as they came off the press , mumwork there from 1958 till 68 , I think my aunt also did a few month there as tea lady , we used to get a discount on the family wash , it was nt a pleasant job very hot and damp I think but I think the girls all had a laugh and made the best of it

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jan-2014
    laundry there..lived local so mike barker was van driver assistant 1960s.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 21-Jan-2014
    I remember laundry on Southall Broadway,on the north side of the road 1930'3,1940's. My mum used it quite a bit. She also had a mangle-occasionally I used to run wet newspapers through it-I was very unpopular!

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Jan-2014
    Best use of the mangle was to get the last bit of the Gibbs SR out of the tube!

  • Re: Southall Laundry by thompson (Member 10241148) on 22-Jan-2014
    Up until I retired,11 years ago then running a Bakery in Stanmore I had a contract with Southall Laundry for workwear.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jan-2014
    that's marvellous career of yours .and king st southall laundry 11 yrs ago.also

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Jan-2014
    I don't remember Southall Laundry but did very occasionally take a bagwash up to the place just along from the group of shops where the Billiard Hall was in Southall High Street. I remember it as I had to give up my job at Car & General Insurance Co. in Ealing at 16 when my mum went away again into convalescence and I looked after the house and did all the washing!

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jan-2014
    was difficult times for you.and your family.you did so very well.for them all.yes the billiard hall.our male members family spoke of yrs used.broadway up by there.as young men..at Heston .nans family taken off with tb.so 3 orphans left ..was nan she age 3 with 5/7 yr old brothers.mum age 29 and kids died tb.so had to go and live with aunt and all her kids one bed 1890s 1900s..she loved them all ti... more >>

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Jan-2014
    Yes, TB was certainly a big killer all those years ago. It was virtually eradicated in this country at one time, but I heard on LBC radio station the other day that it was on the increase in London!

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jan-2014
    yes have heard news few yrs now .increases...schools 1960s .all had tb jab.worked well..80s 90s and now..heathrow etc..loads coming into country from all parts..bringing tb etc in ...hugely contagious buses etc.crowded contact places .schools over last over 10yrs more.announce when bad contagious disease found at school..huge population increase.travelling in from all parts.world .

  • Re: Southall Laundry by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 22-Jan-2014
    I was one of the first childrnat north road school to have the tb vaccination as my cousin was taken ill with tb and my r
    Father worked on the ambulances so I guess it was thought I was aa high risk .my cousin was in harefield hospital a very long time and also spent months at home but recover and had good health until she passed away last year age 84 .

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jan-2014
    84 is lovely .so pleased..tb and all the terrible bad illnesses are awful..ambulance yes good idea.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Jan-2014
    My mum was also convalescing in Harefield Hospital for some time Sheila, and I remember in the summer my dad took several of us to see her. Yhe patients were outside in the grounds in wooden huts. It was quite beautiful there and I remember there was a haystack not far from the huts. I think it was in the 1940's.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jan-2014
    gt hospital and convales.1st war oz and newz war amputees etc there ,graves of some at harefield church..now many yrs gt heart hospital.car park..village green village shops .grand pub.red kite flies over high hill there .below.lakes harefield valley of chilterns and canal.rural.middx

  • Re: Southall Laundry by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Jan-2014
    Dad had his Hernia operation in Harefield hospital in 1959.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 22-Jan-2014
    To all our members, my suggestion for negating people who try to usurp this site by putting their ads in the middle of our dialogue, is to just keep starting new Subjects so that their ads slip further & further out of view. Remember there are far more of us than him.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by thompson (Member 10241148) on 23-Jan-2014
    Yvonne your comment regarding my career. When I stop to think about that shy nervous young boy from a Southall Council Estate,who eventually was to own two Grade II Listed properties, be on first name terms with Lords, Right Honourable Ladies and Gentlemen, MPs both national and international and leaders of industry.

    Still my wife thinks I should have taken another path in my career,as she bel... more >>

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jan-2014
    baker is wonderful skill..only by norwood green Osterley estate Heston mill..did eliz 1st visit..best wheat best bread she said and was for her .earl jersey had...my dad when not well was at star garter gt queen mary home for services.richmond hill famous gt view bend in thames.wonderful staff .gorgeous building.heritage.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 23-Jan-2014
    My mum worked at the laundry in the early 1940's, believe it was actually in Beverly Road(just off Norwood Road) There used to be an alleyway into Clifton Road where my grandmother lived. I lived with my gran and grandad during those years as my mother worked very long hours, she used to start at 7.30am and work 6 days a week.

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jan-2014
    hard work jean...near off ..white swan pub area...norwood rd goes down to norwood green...some from your road worked haigh picture frame factory the old mill by canal..

  • Re: Southall Laundry by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Jan-2014
    Thompson - It was really lovely to read the account of your career and what achievements you made in your life. As you say, a shy, nervous young boy from a Southall Council Estate, and Northcote Avenue at that. I am certain that many other people who lived in our beloved Southall were also great achievers, and I wish you a long happy retirement.

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CHILDREN'S HOMES by Carol (Member 10254505) on 12-Jan-2014
Does anybody know children's homes near Southall in 1930s. Two little girl's were sent to a home when their mother died, one aged 2 and one aged 4. Trying to find out where they might have been sent to.   
  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    law some time now says kids themselves can find out their info...through local authorities info..usually through agency..kidshome.info .if adopted or fostered..social services.councils..records they themselves allowed to ask.

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Carol (Member 10254505) on 12-Jan-2014
    Thanks Yvonne - just found out it was in Chiswick.

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    gt

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    lma north of st pauls London..archive for London greater London 1930 onwards mcc childrens homes info records..free entry open daily..waiting list delay they reply to you .invite you to search their indexes records.open evening times in google.
    http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cats/118/13240.htm

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=13240&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2=

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Carol (Member 10254505) on 12-Jan-2014
    That's great Yvonne, thanks for your help.

  • Re: CHILDREN'S HOMES by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    ok

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PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Jan-2014
Does anybody know whether there is a street plan of the prefabs on the Golflinks Estate? Road names I think that were kept were Redcroft Road, Fleming Road and others, but Martin Way which ran through the middle I think disappeared.   
  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    there is facebook.golf links estate.easy to join.. all those lived there all yrs prefabs etc..barry Raymond gave council plan of prefabs sheet.image shows units..parades etc...fleming rd..some photos of estate also prefabs and ..flats maisonettes became..3 blocks demolished nov 2013 .refurbish plan now..gradually

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    8th parade ran .east near Greenford rd..2rows back from fleming rd all across....dormers way.off to west .walk into the green.. houses Darwin close etc..little row shops at green..old peoples home eventide built on mound kids played telford rd .faraday rd...out onto dormers wells lane..ealing broadway library local hist of southall would have maps info.email write or bus car to

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    aug 2013 photo of redcroft rd in google..golflinks est.with Gleneagles tower in distance behind.seems martin way gone.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/map/property/southall/redcroft-road/?pn=1&view_type=map

    shows the streetview map clear all the roads left now.most gone.your redcroft clear if you were at back or up near top fleming..glen eagles tower block east side of it at Greenford rd..not much going down middle grass lawns and sections of maisonettes..1947 1st person to go in new prefab was in gazette.1970... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    3 courts demolish now .st davids gone.cromer going..dormers rise off to west..to the north side fleming rd Osborne rd of prefabs.rd still there..baird along back..out onto the green longridge lane goes all along to far corner..that hollow and brick wall with co op and greengrocer and sweet shop right east corner..cohn was our gp greenford rd.by traffic lights white hart pub gone now flats

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    seen the council plan map of prefabs 1961..martin way .running east from Greenford rd.to west as you say through middle across ways..down from fleming rd on west side here is whitecote rd..running down from fleming rd..so parallel with Greenford rd..Haldane rd.so running from north to south.like whitecote on the other side..

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jan-2014
    the prefabs green around middle area there on plan map 1961kids play tree ..with springvale rd at east side..midcroft rd .coming down from fleming rd..to it.. past 8th7th 6th 5th parades prefabs..chicken wire fences around square back gardens shed for coal.2 bedrooms separate toilet bathroom.fitted little metal cupboards kitchen.flip up table.tiny covered fire living room 2 bedrooms,gas fridge

  • Re: PREFABS by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 7-Jan-2014
    The prefabs were a good place for a child to grow up. I lived in Osborne Road where there were 8 prefabs in the caul de sac. I knew everyone who lived there, the Websters next door, Jimmy Williams and Alan Davis a couple of doors down. Also, friends were the Kimmins who lived on Flemming road. My dad and I moved into St Andrews Tower when it was first built and I stayed till 1970. My sister lived ... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    best wishes to your sister say hi.perhaps she went to dormers..eventide elderly home..at telford faraday rd.just left by mound
    as you go out to dormers wells lane many yrs there is now ..my aunt worked quite few yrs they loved her she loved them.there...mt pleasant hospital for elderly by north rd off Allendale 60s 70s..now .flats new built there

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jan-2014
    I think there was a lot to be said for prefabs a friend of dads lived in one at the top of Lady Marg. Rd it always seemed warm & comfortable & had the basic modcons we have today, they would certainly help with to days housing problems in a more modern form. I cant say anyone i knew who lived in them complained.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    yes people liked many came from bad conditions and they were new neat....no brick.cavity wall.roofing loft.british standard house build though..just asbestos sheets screwed...one tiny little miniature fire cover glass door coal..in living room...snow ice rain wind.not the warm of proper brick.good hse..wish population not grown so massive then not so much need housing.hospitals gps school roads tr... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 7-Jan-2014
    My aunt and uncle lived in Fleming road, Fred and Win Robinson. I really enjoyed visiting as a child as the pre-fabs had a homely feeling. Also the wood burners sent out lots of heat in winter.
    Having visited the flat they were given for relocation, I understand why they went to Australia.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    Happy childhood in the prefabs, a bit cold in the winter but had everything you could need, a fridge in those days was a luxury. Lots of cupboards and storage space - an odd cupboard I remember in one of the bedrooms that somehow pulled down at the front, cant remember exactly how. Pull down wooden table in the kitchen. Domed shed in the back garden. Have pictures taken outside. The Kimmins i... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    Where was Panhard Place?

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    1951 Osborne Road - Knight, Williams, Coxon, Scanes, Webster, White, Torrance, Wheelwright.

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jan-2014
    Hi Carol why dont you post your prefab pics on Fickr.

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jan-2014
    Yvonne i think something is going to have to be done in the future about population growth even if people don agree with it.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    after the horse has bolted though denis..so many yrs..stop control before it happened.small land compared to others land.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    enlarge plan of southall board.your corner there......I have copied road names for you.above here comment for you... it is plan east north corner..lucky to get that from barry...council plan..yes pull down table useful used daily gas fridge..cold asbestos screwed sheets exterior walls only..facebook..at least 6 there who lived in prefabs.pre 1970.ealing library would have more prefab rds info for ... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    1951 Osborne prefabs...the 1957 around. around those yrs dormers was our chris pudney was there.several of us classes there through yrs..1954 infants opened dormers.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    penhard place still there..out on the green .outer bit west from prefabs..at longridge lane .side..now 3 bedroom semi detached house for sale penhard £270000..my friend dormers lived just by there 1950s.60s with gran..diane squires.ballet danced many yrs.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    carol..... Lynnette while is lynn ware..she lived Osborne 1951 went to new infant school ..and seniors dormers.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    carol..on friends reunited site going for over 10 yrs now..is photo of Gerald kimmins 197/8 southall tech .school..she may be on there..lots dormers girls on there all yrs all classes photos memories,,.redcroft 2..was just by 8th parade .row of 6/8 prefabs .on the plan..says it..bunny park was good.quick easy path .tube bridge .lawns hill to animals café st mary church high spire.cricket pavilion... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    1957/8

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    Yvonne, thanks. I am still in contact with Lynne Kimmins, remember her brother Gerald. He took photos of us in their garden.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    As I remember it, I think Redcroft Road ran from one end to the other of the estate. Each end were two brick walls with entrance in middle (pedestrians) and then an oval shaped flower tub (no flowers). Denis, I dont know how to post pictures and they dont show that much of the prefabs (just scruffy gardens haaa) one shows shed in back.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    in google map redcroft...shows it north to south.the length prefabs estate west side..to prefab parades.which.came east from it..walk the path.along 8th parade 7th parade..of front doors or prefabs...redcroft along side so along Greenford rd..length..go across to path to bunny pk golf links cricket pavilion.brent hanwell lodge.good photo of Gerald.with his class mates 1957/8

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jan-2014
    Haldane rd in google map.still there runs down the middle from .fleming rd...by Greenford rd edge of redcroft is where they built 1st tower bloke Gleneagles..then by there along by redcroft built high tower st Andrews.flats views from top

  • Re: PREFABS by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 7-Jan-2014
    The Kimmins on Flemming road did have cousins around the corner. No one of them was Lyn. Visited the Kimmins in Australia when I was there on holiday, Pat went out there first, then Mr and Mrs Kimmins followed. Christine married my first husbands cousin but after they divorced she went to Australia too. My sister lived on Faraday road in a house that the Bartons lived. There were lots of boys in t... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Jan-2014
    Yes, Pat Kimmins was cousin - Lynne was Gwendalynne

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 8-Jan-2014
    Yes I lived at 7 Dormers Rise and as child had a great time there until I'd say about 1961 when we moved. Such great playing areas & of course all the mischief you could get up to on the golf links. The ranger Mon-Fri was Popey from memory but on the weekends it was my Dad and you had to be very careful not to be spotted by him. "Did I see you near the lake on the 9th hole?" "No Dad that wasn't me... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    best wishes to your dad..the tube bridge.over the river brent,boles bridge was a good sight as we went up the hill to bunny pk seeing the church spire high on the hill ahead

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    Pauline....bankside etc.....http://www.geolocation.ws/v/W/File:Southall%20Gasometer%20from%20the%20Merrick%20Road%20-%20geograph.org.uk%20-%201165247.jpg/-/en

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jan-2014
    When were the prefabs first built? When I used to wheel our old pram with some of my brothers and sisters in it across the Greenford road, having walked through Dormers Wells from Northcote Avenue, it was just the Golf Links and lots of grass and trees. Not a prefab in sight. In fact, I can't remember ever having seen any at all. We used to call it Hanwell Park in those days, and spent many happy ... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jan-2014
    Weren't they built just after the war? We moved there in 1949 and moved out when they were demolished which I think was 1964.

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jan-2014
    That would have probably been right Carol, as I had to leave school in 1945, aged 14, to earn my keep and wouldn't have been taking the children to Hanwell Park then.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    1947 gazette had 1st couple move in...my aunt uncle moved in just around after then.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    yes carol around 1964..yes sure 64/5 .think photos of flattened in google 1969/70.new tower gone up flats Gleneagles
    lots prefabs ..and local areas .of them were built by german /Italian.prisoners war..some stayed on England after war.prefabs says for men with families.. coming home from war..part of the idea.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    Pauline please....1950s.Edmunds store southall broadway ..do you know where abouts have tried in index or google.....Edwards old shop yr 1900 in old photo up by butlers but old photo...thanks..

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    got note in google Edmonds ltd southall and Edmonds ltd Feltham.1977.think they are closing then

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    Edmonds along north side broadway along towards butlers was it....got google.hounslow high st .had Edmonds 3 floors with lift then later became escalator.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    meant south side......Edmonds along towards butlers..1950..was it Edmonds store.shops .herbert rd is along there on south side.junction.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    think that's where it was..Edmonds chain of stores they had the cash tube fly across top of shop to cashier cash .and change came back on wire tube.where money was put in..for customer

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jan-2014
    I don't ever remember seeing a store called Edmonds up near Butlers Yvonne. The only large store was Clifford Evans, but that was next to a Ladies Hairdressers and Lloyd's Bank on the corner of Herbert Road.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    thanks Pauline 1977 closing in google says .Edmonds chain store southall..Feltham..and Hounslow had big one....thanks.1950 I think....got messon 1950 sweet shop etc..along there by bank..thanks..Edmonds had overhead tube cash change money by tube .wizz across.chain stores.of edmonds.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    got it...southall broadway south side.1950 ish.yrs...Clifford evans taken over by Edmonds.store drapers..wool upstairs...zoom change cash tubes fell into disuse...acton high st in google Clifford evans was taken over by Edmonds store..Hounslow high st 50s 60s 70s had 3 story Edmonds store

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jan-2014
    Good piece of detective work!

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    thanks yes gt...to get lists of all decades..where changes of broadway..would be so nice...a few decades along...south side north side..acton was taken over by them so sure southall was..people remember it being along same place in 1950s..messon sweet shop next to it..one person lived above macfisheries along there 1950

  • Re: PREFABS by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Jan-2014
    You've only got to look at close up, aerial views of Southall today, such as google earth etc, to see if proof were ever needed, that we now have a major problem, and local councils are frightened to deal with it because it will be deemed to be discrimination

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jan-2014
    photo of the golf links estate flats etc.all women kids babies out with banners insisting on safety a crossing they needed..got it so success..petition.parade.protest.campaign

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 9-Jan-2014
    We lived at 23 Dormers Rise, happy memories as we had an allotment to the rear of the three prefabs backing onto the golf course. Left when I was 9 to move into 127 Northcote Ave.

    God it was cold in the winter there, just a small Rayburn type Fire in the lounge, yes it was great to have a Gas fired fridge in the kitchen. and the fold down table.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    yes gt use of fold table gas fridge ..yes chair each side tiny little coal fire..rayburn thanks...nice separate toilet bathroom.2 bedroom.no brick eng standard contruct insulation walls just asbestos screw ..ice snow rain cold of winter no loft etc...dormers rise rd still there..the rd..refurbish work going on estate now...loads money being spent..yes allotments..

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jan-2014
    Everyone who lived in the prefabs seems to have happy childhood memories. I know I had lots of freedom to roam over the golf links, the bunny park etc. Just looking through photos I have and can see the spire of the church in background. Brick wall entrance used to be meeting place for us kids, playing ball games, hopscotch, skipping - the road was playground, not many cars to bother about then... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jan-2014
    Hi Thompson - You must have lived on the same side as we did, Number 153 Northcote Avenue, about 13 houses away! We moved out in 1952. What years did you live there and who were your neighbours?

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    yes slope and wall at little row shops in dip hollow at faraday rd towards telford rd..no cars 1950s 60s..wages just payed rent food etc..bike.walk...spire still looks gt ahead as go from tube boles bridge over river brent up to bunny pk..more animals..zoo.and indoor bit creatures... monkeys etc..new maze in google 2000 yr.there with same old.icecream café..yes kids walked to school and played sa... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    1964 ours had moved out yes defo demolish yrs..photo is of 6 kids playing on that centre greens area middle of prefabs estate middle area of all the blocks.prefabs large greens grass area.photo 1949 ish 1950s if.of kids by .large trunk large tree.if kids names are guessed at known..think it is on fb also the photo.kids 3to 6 yr old s .boys girls.nice neat kids as was usual so often those yrs..hug... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 9-Jan-2014
    Pauline we move into Northcote in about !953 I moved out in the early 1960's when I got married but mum dad and Flo Rowbottom my nan stayed untill the late 1960's. "Ruffy" died in 1958/59.

    The Hilliers were our neighbours, I worked on a Saturday with two of the daughters at thier uncles bakery in Osterley.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    pre 1958 if ruffy used northcote pub most..did....my uncles.aunts gdad knew rowbottom.he came in our hse couple times .after they had chatted as usual at table hour at the northcote pub......nan died 1961..saloon bar ..men used front public bar..lounge gt ballroom grand piano along the back.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    bakery....there was one..top west side northcote ave broadway 1930s...high walls in photos.the walls were hot to touch from bakery hot cooking ovens baking..1900s it was there old photos shows the wall huge letters advert huge at the huge brick wall there..says 1907 mr crouch..won prizes baking..wedding cakes etc..did turog health brown bread prize 1907 yrs..think they were german and got interned... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jan-2014
    Was Flo Rowbottom any relation to Arthur Rowbottom. He married my aunt? They had two children, Arthur and Valerie.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jan-2014
    They lived in West Avenue

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    when he comes back he put.on site mths ago that .they were of west ave and Greenford ave as well yes..mine used to be friends of theirs at local pub.northcote
    arms

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jan-2014
    I just found out that Arthur Ernest Rowbottom who married my aunt was the brother of George Henry Rowbottom who married Florence (Flo)

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jan-2014
    Yes Thompson - I remember the Hilliers. They were a nice family and my brother David was very friendly with Cecil Hillier. In fact they used to go out fishing, and on my brother's 15th birthday in 1951, they caught a massive Pike at Poyle Pitts, on the other side of Colnbrook, weighing 25 lbs 5 ounces and 35 inches long. They had to get the Bailiff to weigh it and record it officially. They entere... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jan-2014
    Yes, I remember the long wall which ran alongside the bakery at the top of Northcote Avenue in the 1930's. I was only a little girl, and when I used to go past the baker's wall with my mum, I would feel it, and it was always hot in the evening and you could hear the crickets chirping, and the lovely smell of bread baking. On the opposite side of the road was Mrs Pocock's fruit and vegetable stall ... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    yes billiards..in streetview .can see they kept architecture point at roof etc..of the original structure 1900s 1912 electric theatre cinema..can smell the bread bakers you are always such lovely read......good find carol..bert or whatever nicknames shortening of Christian names..jack roach and rowbottom were the friends at northcote pub 1950s and yrs before..was of his that was chimney sweep at 7... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jan-2014
    Yvonne you might know this - do you know what number was Dr Cohn's house. I see on google street view that the houses are still there but the rest of that area has changed so much. Just past the pub was a parade of shops - I used to take bottles back to the off licence and at the post office got savings stamps - you know the ones with Prince Charles and Princess Ann on.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    yes parade shops still there..post office..stone mason on green there for Greenford cemetery up windmill lane...bp garage there...white hart demolished several yrs ago..long yrs derelict land..then yr ago block flats built there...cohn..along that same row houses ..half way along....so walk from prefabs to traffic lights..and row of 1920s 30s built houses he was half way along.but he and family li... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    fb golf links estate site would know what number he was there 70s 80s also...

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    our doctors have our original doc papers in our brown envelopes..you are allowed to see read your own..childhood says cohn..and would be address of him there...docs pass medical notes on lifetime as you move..ealing local hist library would know his house number post office directory they have and also elect role there..going way back.street view don't suppose still doc there estate now has its ow... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jan-2014
    little post office book..add 1950s 60s.little bits in the little books..premium bond..pence life insurance on kids and adults til they mature..penny back on bottle buy arrowroot biscuit...2 p back on corona bottle lorry crates came around..pop drinks fizz.

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 10-Jan-2014
    I always knew Ruffy's brother as Daniel, he was a slaughter, and an RSPCA inspector. Yes lived in west ave. The Rowbottoms had two sisters Alice & Rose.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    ruffy Daniel .must be ones friends of my family west ave.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-Jan-2014
    My Aunt Ame lived at No. 17 West Avenue and before that in Hammmond Road. When first married they lived in Tudor Road. She was the one who had the problem of getting me home when I didn't get the school bus home from Tudor Road school when I was about 5 - decided to go home with a friend instead.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-Jan-2014
    Yvonne - thanks for the info. Those brown envelopes with doctors notes - do they include details about your birth as well?

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-Jan-2014
    Across the road from the White Hart and to the left of the parade of shops, I'm sure there used to be a rubbish tip or landfill. When we had been playing over the golf links and bunny park, we sometimes came back that way and ended up walking alongside this smelly tip to get back onto the Greenford Road. We then used to go to the sweet shop opposite and get sweets or jubbly. Anybody else rememb... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by penny (Member 10265839) on 10-Jan-2014
    Are the Rowbottoms mentioned any relation to Roy Rowbottom, born 1946/7 who moved to almost the end house of Brent Road/Western Road opposite the lovely little cafe where the 105 bus drivers used to go for refreshments? He attended Southall Grammar School in the early 60s.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    jubbly yes 50s 60s...up Greenford rd east right side..huge many yrs and now ...council refuse..tip..so north of golflinks fields east side...on streetview..brown envelope are the ones we saw filed .nurse got our of file gave him...they are passed on to each doc as you move.....cards say doc name address.yrs.you attended .measles mumps..hospital tonsils..he sends you for..dates.....BIRTH some were ... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    west ave built 1928...7/9 top west right side.weedon..........23.on west side..your 17 ame.......16...east side towards top..14boyland widow with 2/3 spinster daughters 40s 50s 60s...18 was elsie bob cornell 30s 40s 50s 60s son daughter married live away...dan rowbottom west ave think around middle area near east ave junction..end west ave spikes pk..friends reunited has under places section.south... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    carol heard that they bused kids...prefab etc estate.1947 onwards yrs new.but.dormers primary opened sept 1954 ..so before bus to tudor rd..then change schools.later..north rd primary busy school oldest southall school 1850 opened

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-Jan-2014
    Penny, yes Roy Rowbottom was connected to same family.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    roy on facebook index members..southall grammar class 1963

  • Re: PREFABS by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 10-Jan-2014
    Yes Carol, I remember that. Quite a long walk back to the prefabs.

  • Re: PREFABS by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Jan-2014
    My memories of the walk to the golf links and beyond to Hanwell Church go back to the 30's and 40's. From Dormers wells lane there was an access to the fields/links actoss to the MillPond.Then across the Greenford Road thence via the links to Hanwell Church

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-Jan-2014
    Michael - do you remember there used to be a playground of sorts (swings I think) down by the Hanwell Viaduct close to the river. My memories of this are vague, I think my sister took me when I was very young. They then moved the playground to a fenced off area where we used to go when I was older. Did anybody else try to cross the bridge underneath swinging hand over hand?

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    millpond often fishing aec sports club used it for fishing...viaduct gt high walk with rolling down green hill there .scouts war memorial .was old bandstand there Connolly dell...footpath going down under through viaduct out to uxbridge rd..footpath by brent river going through there and river going under brent river ballastrade.bridge at uxbridge rd.hanwell border

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jan-2014
    they have got the modern playarea fenced off also..rubber ground for safety .youtube film in google of.those baby toddler square seat swings. roundabout slide climb frame.at.bunny pk viaduct areas..so much chat of wigwam.or witches hat seen modern one built it is nice

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jan-2014
    There are pictures of bunny park area on my Flicker site d.sexton428.

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 11-Jan-2014
    Great pictures Denis. I went back to the Bunny Park in the 90s but stupidly didn't take any photos. I remember the new bridge being built over the river after the old brick built one collapsed I think. Part of the old bridge still stayed in the river for years after. Is it still there?

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    only remember the tube structure bridge over the brent river on the path walk from prefabs .the after the bridge stroll up the green hill to café and bunny park rabbits in cages.small monkeys in cage..going out of the lych gate bunny park path out onto the view to viaduct down below with brent river running out to uxbridge rd.and hanwell stone bridge .buses going over with its ballastrade

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    boles bridge metal tube design bridge still there.
    http://www.mazefind.co.uk/cgi-bin/cms/ohra.pl?content_id=1226580660

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 11-Jan-2014
    Yvonne, really interesting reading about the boundary stones. Never knew it was called Boles Bridge. Would be interesting to know what the bridge looked like before the new one. Obviously the crossing goes back a long way. Wish now that I had been more interested in local history as a child. I do remember looking around the headstones by the church and reading them so there must have been som... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 11-Jan-2014
    Pictures of the Bunny Park on here http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiancorbet/9571774030/

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 11-Jan-2014
    Picture of Boles Bridge and Viaduct flooding pre 1919 on e-bay for sale

  • Re: PREFABS by Carol (Member 10254505) on 11-Jan-2014
    Couple of other photos show that Boles Bridge was a wooden structure in early 1900s.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    thanks for flickr and photos..yes.ancient carved boundary stone near boles bridge ..hanwell meets norwood southall of ancient dormans wells manor house estate...1950s walked tube bridge boles bridge...is it different one 1990s when you went...we went back once but car around by church .so did not see memory of boles bridge..fine construction cast iron tubes.have they changed it carol.thanks best wishes x

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    yes got photos our southall board7 and 4 ..wood bridge of yr 1900 with spire church in background..1920s30s new bridge replacement by tube engineering company .cast iron metal bridge we all crossed 1950s etc,,with spire ahead....thnk it is still same tube bridge now strong..snow photos at boles.bowles bulls bridge names..yes romans had crossing of river brent around...old brick sides of tube caste... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    http://edithsstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/riverbrent-thebrent-flows-south-and.html
    2008 snow toboggan snowballs photo still same boles tube bridge as we had 1950s
    http://hanwell-labour.blogspot.co.uk/2007/02/winter-wonderland-in-brent-river-valley_17.html
    2013 still same tube boles bridge as we used 1950s to bunny pk..
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/brighton/9473056312/sizes/k/in/photostream/

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    info.bridge brent river hanwell etc...Greenford Perivale sticketon bridge...boles bridge,.,,hanwell ballastrade bridge...gallows bridge...and boundary stones...http://www.mazefind.co.uk/cgi-bin/cms/ohra.pl?content_id=1226580660

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jan-2014
    wood bridge photo..1900s ..1930 ish around yrs....tubewrights ltd company tube bridge metal.Newport Monmouth .large letters in it .photos .in flickr by misty..boles bridge bunny pk...still there strong..churchfields hanwell photos etc in google..6th arch medieval of old uxbridge rd bridge hanwel..yrs ish 1900s new tram..need strengthen.so ballastrade new arch es..stone bridge widen built.for new i... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Jan-2014
    Carol-yes I too have vague memories of the playground.Happy Days

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    denis....your home guard...did you hear of southall bill odriscoll born bred top lady marg rd..lived opposite taylor Woodrow..walked to school 1947 Greenford primary..his dad home guard killed 1943 nov..walter...6th middx bttn.home guard he would love to know more of them..where could he find out.about anything.....walter was doing duty at factory wen he was killed .buried south ealing cemetery .

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Jan-2014
    Thanks Yvonne trying to find Home Guard records are very difficult but he mite be in a better position to find out more as his father was a casualty. He could try the M.O.D personnel records, public records office Kew, Also local records. Death certificate or the parish register where he is buried, Home Guard records are very sketch... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jan-2014
    yes just his battalion he was interested in.and gereal info home guard...homeguard his dad was lived top lady marg rd opposite taylor Woodrow at Ruislip rd..north side..1943 died at factory he was on duty at..buried south ealing cemetery..thought he might have been same battalion as yours....he was 39 yrs old...Osterley pk annual reinactment might know or who to get to..as local .men they all were... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 12-Jan-2014
    Penny yes Roy Rowbottom is my cousin I was with him Friday 10th January, as it was Les Rowbottom's funeral; who was his dad and my uncle. Les's wife Phyllis is still alive but frail.
    Les & Phil lived in Clarence St and moved to Brent Rd.

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 12-Jan-2014
    Us Thompsons and Rowbottoms were members of Southall Swimming Club. Doll Thompson was President of both the swimming club and the boxing section of the Actonian Club. Members of the swimming club attended Les's Funeral. Plus Three of Roy's Four wives.

  • Re: PREFABS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Jan-2014

    Thanks Yvonne Osterley Pk. good idea, as far as i know dad was in the 10 Middx battalion & also did fire watching duties when he worked for Landis & Gyr on the Western Ave at Acton

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 13-Jan-2014
    Hi Thompon

    I used to bowl (tenpin) with Roy Rowbottm but more so his sister Maureen who was either in my year or one year below at Southall Grammar. Very happy days.

  • Re: PREFABS by penny (Member 10265839) on 13-Jan-2014
    Hi Fred,
    When were you at Southall Grammar? I was there from 1958 - 1963 but although I knew Roy, your name doesn't ring a bell. Do you remember the brothers Keith and Barrie Mead who were into football in a big way? Can't find any trace of either of them.

  • Re: PREFABS by thompson (Member 10241148) on 13-Jan-2014
    Hi Fred, Roy was an only child.
    Did Play at the bowl with young Tony Mercer, his dad Tony senior from the Black & White Minstrels. the bowling team was also called that.

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jan-2014
    My goodness, that takes me back, Tony Mercer in the "Black & White Minstrel" show. He was the baritone, and the show ran for 20 years. It was wonderful to watch and listen to that music. Happy days.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jan-2014
    we watched all on tv ..good singalong..music song..gt..dance..emi records cousin worked we had the LPs...took my aunt to Victoria theatre London..full hse gt show of them..gt.amazing live show....fred told us of sad ..mercer death..it was interesting to read fred a yr or so ago...king st area southall..son and mercer senior..fred chatted .they lived and fred knew them..marvellous..swan pub many p... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 13-Jan-2014
    Penny, I was at Southall Grammar from 1961-1966 so a bit younger than you but I also bowled with Tony Mercer and went to his house next to the White Swan a few times expecially for parties whilst Tony senior and Tony's Mum were away.

    As to Maureen (Rowbottom?) I must have got her (& Roy) mixed up as siblings because although I remember Roy and he was a couple of years older than me, I thought i... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 14-Jan-2014
    Ah ha I've remembered it was Dave Drury who lived in Park Ave and had the sister Maureen. Dave was a mate of Roy whereas though we were friendly with them Maureen was more our age.

  • Re: PREFABS by penny (Member 10265839) on 14-Jan-2014
    Mick West was in my class for a couple if years. I believe he was friends with Mick Hinge.

  • Re: PREFABS by Chris (Member 10220786) on 14-Jan-2014
    I remember David Dury and Maureen. They lived in Oswald Road in the 1950s. They had older brother Brian. They are related to my husband..their mother Violet was my husbands cousin. Chris x

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jan-2014
    photo graham Maureen west on friends reunited site group friends 1963 at southall grammar.

  • Re: PREFABS by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 14-Jan-2014
    Hi there Fred, Graham here, who used to work behind the machines at the bowling alley.
    Now I may stand corrected, but I think we used to have a Dave Drury work with us down the back.
    Remember Graham West in the leagues, I used to bowl in a couple there, and also at Hounslow.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jan-2014
    its back on..pm off..sent email to them

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 14-Jan-2014
    Yes Graham, I remember Dave worked down the back with you, in what I think we called "The Engineers Room" but I could be wrong about that term. I think it was 12 lanes downstairs & 12 lanes upstairs.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jan-2014
    wondered where today..remembered Feltham near heathrow bowling quite few yrs now.there
    https://www.tenpin.co.uk/our-company/site-map/
    £1.50

  • Re: PREFABS by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 15-Jan-2014
    Yes Fred, you are right, it was split level, 12 on each.
    "Engineers Room" it was everything really, needed somewhere to get away from the noise, and to brew up of course. When there were leagues on, on both floors, one of us used to stay upstairs to fix any problems quicker, otherwise we used to stay in the room, as most of the leagues were downstairs.
    Normally in the evening there would only b... more >>

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Jan-2014
    Just received an e-mail from Florida this morning and their temperature was 42 degrees Farenheit (5.5 Centigrade). That's a bit cold for Florida! What's it like where you are?

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jan-2014
    Australia having 42 etc temp..andy murray did well with Australia tennis even though temperature terrible.

  • Re: PREFABS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 17-Jan-2014
    In Melbourne we had 44 deg Centigrade for most of this week or 111.2 deg Farenheit, thankfully today (Saturday) is only going to be 23c.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jan-2014
    44 even more..here tv last few days here said 42 melbourne

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jan-2014
    its back.over night etc off...nestle hayes 1913.staff move out summer 2014..gazette..transfer to tutbury staffs.they have derbys.they have york..and Croydon..and Carlyle over many yrs.propose 700 homes on 38 acre site...white art deco front grand tower entrance.lots windows photo nestle hayes

  • Re: PREFABS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jan-2014
    When I worked at EMI in Hayes and then lived there for two years after we were married in the 50's, it was lovely to catch the smell of coffee from the Nestles factory which could be seen clearly from the road. I think we could smell chocolate sometimes, but it was mostly the coffee.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jan-2014
    think smelt sweets too sugar treacle smell...tall narrow chimneys they had at hayes.

  • Re: PREFABS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jan-2014
    lots as usual saw midwife new series last night..tv saw flannelette sheets.several trying to find them to buy today..my aunt west ave put them through mangle twice then on high tall line thick to dry .nice though.50s 60s etc.

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