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Where's everyone gone? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Sep-2014
Can you post a link please?   
  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2014
    they have all been on facebook southall quite few weeks now quite a while now all of them..

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Sep-2014
    Thank you, Yvonne

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Sep-2014
    Keith - why don't you join Facebook. I know you will enjoy it. It takes a little bit of getting used to, but there are some wonderful photographs that we see, and a lot of lovely members, plus many interesting posts.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Sep-2014
    Pauline, I shall do that. Thank you.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Sep-2014
    I'm pleased you have decided to join Facebook Keith. When you do, join both "are you a old face from Southall" and "Are you an old face from Southall". If you have any problems I'm sure plenty of us will help you.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 26-Sep-2014
    Keith, take Paulines advice and join both groups.Many of us from Knowhere are on them now. I have been for years. I'm sure you will find both groups very good.Good luck.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Sep-2014
    Thank goodness to see some life agaon-thanks folks

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 27-Sep-2014
    I have no wish or intention to join Facebook or twitter. A friend spend hours on facebook just to see what his daughter has posted each day. Telling the world all of her problems and how her life is, plus daily photos of her and her children.

    I will stick with this site if I have anything to say!!

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2014
    best wishes to you.people like us like you ..are on southall fb....nice comments memories photos...different facebook are very different indeed..

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2014
    it is monitored ..admin..to keep the site nice...so interesting and many people like us all like ourselves find very interesting enjoyable they all say

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Sep-2014
    Dear Thompson - I thought that at first, but these two Southall sites are not like that. "Are you an old face from Southall" is a closed site, and there are Administrators who keep an eye on everything, and would soon ban a person who was unsuitable. "are you a old face from Southall" is not a closed site, but still enjoyable. Lots of old photos to remind us of the Southall we all once knew, plus ... more >>

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Sep-2014
    I used to think like you Thompson about everyone knowing your business, but it's very similar to our own site. Most members are a bit younger than us, but we all learn from each other.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Chris (Member 10220786) on 27-Sep-2014
    Thompson and anyone else who is unsure about joining the FB SITE....you can join and just look, you don't have to participate. As Pauline has said, the photos from days gone are wonderful. It warms my heart yo see OUR SOUTHALL as it was. My advice ...GIVE IT A TRY .....Chris x

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2014
    lovely words chris and Pauline ,,,yes indeed.so lucky we are to have southall sites and with precious photos jog nostalgia.etc..many lovely people how lucky we are..read or just chat..big thankyou to the groups and members..

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 29-Sep-2014
    I agree with what Pauline & Chris said, I swore I would never join Facebook but on these 2 closed sites, if you set it up correctly you will only see things when you log in & you will not get any communication from them.

    I used to look at this site everyday but now i could go 10 days or more & not bother. The other 2 sites are so much better in that you can upload photos etc. I'm very happy with them.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2014
    yes can stop long list emails to you....just scroll down.site..peoples work of nice photos comments ..aren't we lucky...nice people generous time effort..interesting friendly folk.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Sep-2014
    I've got somebody coming round on Thursday to show me how to get on to the Facebook sites. But if they are "closed", will I be able to get in??

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2014
    fb..type member colin harris,,,southall..send him private message he has message place...he will add you...keith then site will open up to you easy..

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2014
    I will send him message now to say you want to join.....just see it ..free .,,if you don't want to use it does not matter,,,,

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 29-Sep-2014
    Keith, once you have your Facebook account set up, it is fairly simple to join a Facebook Group, just put Southall in the search box at the top of the page and it will bring a list of Facebook pages with Southall in their name. Click on the relevant one and when the page displays click on the "Join Group" green button, this will generate a message to the Group admins and one of us will add you, an... more >>

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Sep-2014
    Thank you Colin
    I hope to be joining you all on Thursday

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Sep-2014
    Look forward to seeing you Keith.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 30-Sep-2014
    Yes, the more of us oldies the better. Both great groups with wonderful photos and memories and photos are instant. No having to go on flickr to see the latest.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 30-Sep-2014
    I thought the same, seeing those in the family on FB reading what everyone had for breakfast, or what colour socks they had on. So I thought it's not for me. BUT log on to those two Southall sites only and it's great. Just like this site but with the pictures and a photo of those adding comments. And it don't breakdown every time it rains.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 30-Sep-2014
    I could have "liked" that comment on the Facebook site. Why does everyone seem so frightened to use it. Most youngsters don't bother with it now as they use Twitter or Instagram so it's becoming an old fogeys way of keeping in touch. It's been so good to see new faces many from Knowhere at last joining these groups.

  • Re: Where's everyone gone? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 1-Oct-2014
    Thank you for the "liked" comment Dilys.

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2014
Wishing you a very Happy Birthday Michael. Hope you have a Wonderful day. Love from Pauline xxx   
  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Sep-2014
    Thanks Pauline-weather could be better!
    Good to see something on here!!

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2014
    Never mind about the weather Michael. A glass or two of something nice will make it all the better!

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Sep-2014
    Cheers! Have a wonderful birthday Mike. It is sad that t his site is not visited as much as it was in the past ... But. ... FB is interesting too. Nice to see photos included with some of the posts. It was KNOWHERE that helped us begin our journey down memory lane. Amazing how I knew John. Then Sandra too. Chris x

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Sep-2014
    I agree with Pauline enjoy Tom & michael

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL BRADEN by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2014
    very happy birthday mike.happy returns of the day..lots of good wishes.your special day.congratulations .x.from us

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAE; by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2014
Wishing you a very Happy Birthday Michael. Hope you have a Wonderful day. Love from Pauline xxx   
  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAE; by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Sep-2014
    Many thanks to all you good Southall folk.
    Have had a matvellous say with members of the family/
    86 not out-sobering thought!

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAE; by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2014
    so glad you had great day lots of good wishes to you and family..yesterday 5 people ticked happy birthday wishes they sent you on fb.from them also .site picture happy card too you..fb

  • Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAE; by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2014
    site off.back again

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SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Aug-2014
Somebody has kindly given me a "Hounslow, Heston & Whitton Chronicle" dated August 15th
On page 12 is an article and photo of Scrattage
  
  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 26-Aug-2014
    That's interesting Keith. I once lived in Whitton but wasn't aware of this paper. Anyway, in researching my family history over the years, i found one of my Johnson ancestors lived in Scrattage, never heard of it before. Is part of Isleworth or Heston do you know?

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Aug-2014
    Janice

    The paper is one of the "free" ones that gets pushed through the doors. It says its for "Hounslow, Cranford, Heston, Isleworth, Whitton and surrounding villages". One was pushed through the door of a relative's house in Hampton last week and she brought it down (I live in Arundel) at the weekend for me to read. It says its "your local edition of the Hounslow Chronicle series". ... more >>

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    on line for long time now..
    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/all-about/hounslow

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    over yr ago/scrattage of family tree was asked
    put on old map.details then..
    Heston Isleworth area..over by Osterley..hamlet scrattage...
    mine are of area 1800s 1900s..
    in google ..info...scrattage.etc...

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    chronicle this friday Osterley bankholiday medieval..arena events lots there cameraman..paper took photos...for paper..

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    whitten my cousin lived..hubby Feltham//myself heston..lived

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    menday15aug scrattage..change over yrs ...he is over 90 /obe from queen....lives Feltham..localhistorian and for chronicle over 40yrs..worked sperry gtwestrd ..

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/all-about/hounslow
    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/news-opinion/looking-back-eddie-menday-changing-7622274

    scrattage page on line...hedid lastweek

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    Hounslow well known..hubby Hounslow grammar
    1860 scrattage ..and1805 map
    jersey rd area.by Osterley tube station..gtwest rd.
    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/news-opinion/looking-back-eddie-menday-changing-7622274
    chronicle here.
    book b... more >>

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    archive of menday history yrs inpaper articles in google on line....local whitton scrattage Heston etc etc..1800s 1900s.

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Aug-2014
    Of course!!! . I never thought the article might be available on line.
    This one was written by "Eddie Menday"

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    he writes for them often..over40 yrs ..over 90 lives Feltham..on fb...obe.3 yrsago from queen...lots links google....scrattage/

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    wrote to him 2 yrs ago..his is my .hubbys maternal side surname from Feltham bedfont like him..1800s1900s....

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Aug-2014
    Interesting that. Never come across that surname before.

    Here in Sussex some surnames VERY common (such as Gunn, Gumbrell) that are much rarer in London

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=scrattage+middlesex&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=CMNTDFJS

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    4 different spelllings rural folk..1800s not school really..lived on land farm of modern heathrow....used old3 magpies pub.of fame..censuses..bapt..marriages .burials..

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    we are just back from Chichester..theharbour etc..mary rose was gt again..gt harbour cruise navy etc..

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Aug-2014
    We are thinking of moving from Arundel to Selsey

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    google sale os detailed map.1894 scrattage...with Osterley pk station..the old one..and st mary

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    1889..1891...scrattage farm..ingoogle..

    did put all on here2 yrs ago at request here

    census...Heston..scrattage springgrove..as over Isleworth side..
    1844 in google families...

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    we went selsey..nice..Patrick moore telescope..lifeboat

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    extremely good map 1860 1890 in google detail vision Britain.scrattage...st mary..jersey rd by and old London rd. a4..became gt west rd..syon lane of windmill lane...south to springgrove..south to Isleworth woodland thames....scrattage farm.by Osterley park walled estate..earl jersey....rail there....vision Britain..close up detail..Victorian..

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    for census....it is vaste parish of Heston and Isleworth...but in Osterley pk south area....map..st mary the church..1901 family there from 1844...many moved to area..labourers moving then moving on..tythe working cottages rented...

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    british hist on line 1820 map .enlarges clear 2 farmhouses ..several lab cottages....scrattage lane modern times called jersey rd..along wall of mansion hse Osterley lord jersey..shows dwellings..rail.heston Isleworth census huge parish.........but church scrattage st mary springgrove Isleworth area..on map.

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    scrattage area here....http://www.hounslow.info/libraries/local-history-archives/scrattage-lane-osterley/

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 27-Aug-2014
    Keith ... Yvonne
    Thank you both for the information. I shall take a look at my family history papers again to refresh my mind and then try to trace if the place they lived is still in existence. Beats doing the housework!!

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    ok

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    street view..in google..show my street goes along jersey rd..new.1934 built says google..new rail station 1934...new houses for London commuters....was called scrattage lane pre around yrs of 1900....2 farms houses 1800s yrs mr brown brickmaking all gone..built up area.now fine houses ..suburbs houses since 1934 new tube station opened there piccadily line 1925 new gt west rd London rd..built thro... more >>

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Aug-2014
    Hi

    That's ok Janice

    Stations were originally built by the District railway to Hounslow Barracks, and later to Hounslow West. Piccadilly line came much later, and both then used it to about 1964 when District Line services were cut off from Hounslow branch and left to Picc to run

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    strong preservation heritage suburbia Osterley nice people many yrs fought for .so much lost scrattage thornbury..of new piccadily .line..1934..lost old station used at bookshop yrs...new art deco station built and London rd..new 1925 gt west rd carved through more..loss of their hamlet area scrattage.thornbury.springgrove of banks the botanist...lovely map in google lampton road was their road sw... more >>

  • Re: SCRATTAGE by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2014
    myself walked it daily..commute to bbc tv centre ref library..off hammersmith...footpath field of Osterley hole in wall gate still there field to back of Heston church we lived 60s 70s....so home again out of Osterley station old scrattage area ..hole in wall gate of earl jersey estate field to our house end of path..35 mins..or so

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Last visit to Southall? by Chris (Member 10220786) on 7-Aug-2014
When did you last visit a Southall? I went appx 5 years ago with my daughter. Via train to Ealing Broadway then 207 to the ODEON.....now Lidls. We walked down the market, just to look. I worked on a Grocery Stall there in the 50's. It was next to the Chocolate King...or Sweet King. Then we walked down North a Road to look at my parents shop ( number 45). They ran the shoe repair shop from 1... more >>   
  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Aug-2014
    I visited a few weeks ago when I went to Havelock Cemetery to find out where my aunt was buried. Was sorry to see the sad state of the cemetery which hasn't been looked after. Traffic was a nightmare.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 7-Aug-2014
    My Gran is buried there, Mum used to go and lay flowers every week, no matter what the weather was. I have not been there since I started at Dormers. Although in my minds eye I think I could still find it. But in them days it was a pleasure to visit. So why has it been allowed to go the way it has.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Aug-2014
    Tom, you can write or e-mail for the plot number. Have to pay though. At one time a few years back I just rang up and they told me there and then.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Aug-2014
    I've got a diagram of the plot numbers if that would help.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2014
    My Mum is in Havalock Cemetery with her Mum, i remember going with her every spring to put Daffs on Grans grave & now i go to see them both when i am in Southall

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Aug-2014
    This morning, I walked down the canal from Yeading to Spikes Bridge, up Dane Road along the Broadway to Lady Margaret Road, then down to Carlyle Avenue and back to the park.

    The Broadway is even more of a mess than usual at the moment, with all the roadworks to "improve" pedestrian safety, seems more like a way for TFL to waste money to me. If they wanted to improve the Broadway it would have b... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Aug-2014
    When I worked in The Broadway in the 50s shops were not allowed to put anything outside on the pavement and every evening before we closed we had to sweep the pavement outside the shop.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Aug-2014
    Yhe last I heard from my sister whose husband has relatives in Southall was that all the alleyways that we used to be able to walk through at the back of the shops are now all filled in with rubbish, mattresses, etc. In our days there was no rubbish at all.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2014
    The last time i walked around the back of Lady Margaret parade shops the alley at the back was a disgrace rubbish everywhere, we used to ride our bikes around it was clear of anything happy 1950s.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Chris (Member 10220786) on 9-Aug-2014
    All very sad! That's why my last visit will probably be my last. I will cherish my childhood memories. I moved away over 50 years ago but Southall is still my home in my heart. Chris x

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2014
    Me to Chiris.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 9-Aug-2014
    I share these feelings,having left Southall 60years ago.
    Chris, what happened to the Harpers,the Francis brothers,Andrian Brookes?????

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Aug-2014
    Same here Michael, as I also left Southall in 1954 60 years ago! From the posts I have read since my brother David and I visited Southall in 2000, it has definitely deteriorated further. I wouldn't have missed that day out for anything as we saw Tudor road school and the alley to it from Dane road, still intact and the same as we remembered it. The White Pavilion was still there then in Spikes Bri... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 9-Aug-2014
    I too left Southall in 1954, and visited again in 1980, and vowed never to return, I prefer to remember Southall as it was when I left, my Memory now is getting worse, but I still remember collecting Shrapnel after Air Raids, SaT. Morning Pictures with Tom Mix, Bill Boyd and many others, we had no TV, but we had a Radio and Itma, Dick Barton etc. Such Happy Memories of the REAL SOUTHALL.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 9-Aug-2014
    I Have been back to southall for weddings funerals etc. but not stayed since about 1980. That time We took our 2 children to visit their nan in Derwent road. We decided to walk to Jubilee park, where I spent many a happy hour as a kid. It was a sunny day, but when we arrived we were the only people there. I noticed the shelter had been burnt down, which was a shock. Just then a council van drove ... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Aug-2014
    Yes, Dennis when you remember collecting shrapnel it says it all. My brother and I used to climb over the tennis courts in Spikes Bridge park to find the largest pieces of shrapnel. We had quite a collection between us. Dick Barton - I can still hear the music that went with that, and ITMA and Tommy Hanley, and Mrs Mopp "Can I do yer now Sir".
    Wonderful stuff, and as you say happy memories of the REAL Southall.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Aug-2014
    Jubilee Park Tom. That takes some believing doesn't it. Who would have thought all those years ago that it would come to this!

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Chris (Member 10220786) on 9-Aug-2014
    Tears in my eyes! So sad. It's gone forever, except in our mind. Michael....I have tried to find out about The Harpers, The Francis Boys and Adrian without Success. It seems that we will never know. Take care my friends. Keep OUR SOUTHALL in your heart and in your mind! Chris x

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 9-Aug-2014
    Yes I agree Chris, it's still there in our memories. Even the pubs live on.
    It used to be a bit of a joke between my wife and I on a Saturday evening, she would say what do you want to do tonight, my answer was always a quick one in the Bee hive and then to the Lady Margaret to see my Dad. Which we thought was funny seeing as we now live in Weston Super Mare. Can't even dream about it now seeing... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    back...sent over 7 emails....to them ..back now after 3/4 days of..

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    yes can go straight o nans grave easy corner so not too hard find stone all good....traffic horeendous there and most towns around.went nans grave sundays flower water tap cut grass scissors but scared now..too scared of most of it ...ok quiet areas north rd dormers lady marg and norwood green..edges edges..not in the heart of it all.too changed since 1970 yrs..too bad

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    yes was lucky over 10yrs ago carol...got photocopy map and plot of couple..page info..record .ours 1893 and some yrs before that Havelock..........but family tree hoards massive work.lack staff they charge for severeal yrs now most do...craze of massive tree work genealogy..huge time .cost staff..recession lack council money social security and council costs to so many.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Aug-2014
    My sister used to live in Allenby Road, backing on to that park. Can you imagine living there now with all that going on at the back of you. They left years ago and now live in Norfolk.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    lovely denis go spring etc good....plan plots on by gate.entry Havelock and hortus......cemeteries church graveyards always difficult job though...so many so massive...names carve faint or just grass plot...so many...dry day not wet soil

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    yes agreed colin....broadway etc..thanks for your info.....totally agree colin...thanks

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    tom...plough pub norwood green is nice....lots football at wolf pub...green north rd plough north rd open...

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    best wishes dennis legge and all...tom we go Weston holidays .lovely pier gt museum..sand sculpture and all...gt Weston tom.we enjoyed..holiday........many of the urban towns cities..have drugs drunks.over population unemployment etc...to some extent over last 20 and more yrs....but millions of .us.as always .homes careers jobs schools.lifestyle.good all our lives....traffic hard..hope police man... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 12-Aug-2014
    Yvonne glad you enjoyed Weston, what you do not know about the town is the drug issue. We have several rehab centres in weston, and have the dregs sent here from all over Britain. A good percentage do not go home, they stay. In some area,s At night Weston is less safe than southall.
    We were recently burgled, and you can guess who the police recon did it.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    yes hear of Bristol etc...unemploy some ..out of huge work areas ..is bad..for trouble..so all over country...areas problems yrs now,,,,we had 2 good hols Weston..liked helicopter museum.etc

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    just back from gt holiday hamps west sussex surrey..in reply to you tom...

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Aug-2014
    Glad to see the Plough pub in North Road is still open-we lived almost opposite it 1933-1954

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    yes lots speak well of it and today..green still the same

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    nice photo mike of when it was rural..farm workers pub..low small framed old rural pub.then later by 1930s..rebuilt to one we see today...sparrow farm was of north rd area...local stuff has always interested me and photos etc..as people went on through the decades.places etc..pubs landmarks..we always say turn right at pub..or such like...London tv .news today..planning permission has not been law... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2014
    very quick hot sunny sunday.few yr ago...coaxed hubby drive me to the quiet area..have never gone to main centre areas.since massive change..lady marg rd not too bad.new white pvc windows doors.quiet.dormers Allenby similar.saw building of new modern school.very quick coax hubby to north rd..pull up green.took photos for chris grove terrace shrubbery .school passage.north rd school .lovely..kingls... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Aug-2014
    Yvonne-glad to see you trod my old turf in North Road

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 14-Aug-2014
    Like Chris and many others, Southall holds a place in our hearts but things move on. Its letting your siblings know of the family history and where their they originate from. I have told my Grandchildren of this site and they find it interesting.
    For those of you who helped in locating "Jack"
    Dance's name on the Thiepval Memorial; just to follow up, my son is visiting the site with my 11 year o... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2014
    That's lovely to hear Thompson.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    yes trod it ..mike..30 mins photos...but walked it daily as kid etc.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    that is so good of your son...best wishes to them..dance on Featherstone rd boys school stone carved names memorial...out on display southall green..dance name..glad you love nostalgia memories as we all do..and pass to the young great..good wishes to you..and all.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    THOMPSON>>>>>dance engraved stone memorial southall..will put photo..on fb today southall site now.......but mr Thompson..if your family can see posting..or memorial is displayed southall green...

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    Thompson.....southall displayed.stone reads....john henry dance ..also known as .henry john..jack...1917 5 mar death sergeant 10225..age 24...2nd battalion royal berks regiment...son of Alfred dance of bisley..and wife flo dance...15 regina rd.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY TUES 12 AUG FOR PAULINE...HAVE GREAT WEEK.CONGRATULATIONS FROM US.!!!!!

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 14-Aug-2014
    Thiepval Memorial sent us a Certificate with "Jacks" info on. Have also contacted an email link to the website and they are getting back to me with more info.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 14-Aug-2014
    I don,t know about my last visit but my next is in a few weeks time to a wedding anniversary. I intend to have a wander round and shock myself with how much it's changed. But the question is can I feel safe walking around on my own, or where should I keep away from.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    good mr Thompson......clear on southall green memorial carved name .his details...fb..

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    tom...denis will say...fb.several live there ..several a lifetime...lady marg north rd Allenby ok.quiet sunday lunchtime..norwood green nice...broadway all blocked refurbish traffic problem...120 bus goes through ok .from.norwood green south rd.....high st goes through ok..207 or such bus along uxbridge rd ..ok southall pk..red lion.ironbridge viaduct....bottle neck as going back so many yrs south... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Aug-2014
    Tom i go back on a regular basis i have never felt threatened in any part of Southall.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2014
    like places in uk .and abroad beware.have yourself in care mode..millions people ok...but the old saying in wrong place wrong time..be nice to hear of your nice memories visit.,,,,,,.we enjoyed norwood green memories dormers lady marg north rd...spikes bridge pk ..bridge canal.ironbridge viaduct windmill lane 3 bridges tentlow rd..nice..

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Aug-2014
    Hope you heed Darryl Young's advice in FB about Southall Park Tom. He said "I would never sit like that in that park like that nowadays, and by the time you took a picture, that camera would be snatched from you. Not a safe area now".

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 31-Aug-2014
    Never got to southall, people we stayed with warned about the traffic. But had a visit to Uxbridge, completely lost. No spitfire, no RAF site. No narrow high street. No idea where Burtons was. Saw Cliff Bennett there.
    Had a drive past Hillingdon hospital, both pubs next door closed.
    Drove past my past employers ex site (Westland Helicopter)
    which is now the site for a new ASDA.
    The party was ... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2014
    good you had visit yes changes uxbridge etc...we liked helicopter museum Weston had nice long visit there..dad worked Heston airport

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2014
    Northolt raf airport has 2 huge size spit hurricane memorials and services there at memorial stone.....near polsh war memorial...queens flight there..helicopters ..services post office there..Olympics 1had.typhoons there to go across London security....preserved some .history pubs uxbridge hig st.they do historical walks....hq churchillraf battle Britain..plot table...many schools go many yrs open... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Aug-2014
    Tom. I used to go to Burtons most weeks to go dancing and music. Brian Poolenand the Tremeloes were regulars there. I recently went to theatre to see 60s groups and one was tremeloes. Only one original member and he looked like some old man dragged off street in old baggy grey trousers and baggy jumper. Very sad and made me feel old too.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2014
    war plane models huge are visible from road western ave a40,,,also at entry gate ruslip rd west end rd.....traffic centre southall.....quiet time north southall ok though...western ave into..north part of lady marg rd..dormers school..north rd...quiet really and can pull up in car....along uxbridge rd..east.southall park ironbridge ..quiet time day ok.....3 bridges norwood green ok..traffic....not... more >>

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2014
    hubby went to lampton Hounslow grammar with searchers lead...we went to lampton pk free marquee see them..group.gt songs...show was gt..and boo
    tleg beatles there were gt...

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 31-Aug-2014
    We had the same in Weston, one Searcher, one Holly.
    Had several 60,s nights at the theatre. Some good nights some not so good.
    Although the Manfreds were best.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Aug-2014
    That'll be the day was best show I saw recently.

  • Re: Last visit to Southall? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2014
    gt 60s..taped weekly all pops off radio..so many so good..

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This site by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 7-Aug-2014
Down again but only for a couple of days. Can this site be moved on to Facebook.
No Idea myself, but thought I'd ask the question.
  
  • Re: This site by Chris (Member 10220786) on 7-Aug-2014
    I don't know the answer, but someone else might! Chris x

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 7-Aug-2014
    I very much doubt this site can be moved to facebook but you can of course start a new group on facebook if you don't like the ones already on there.Just call it a different name and invite Southall Knowhere members to join.

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 7-Aug-2014
    I very much doubt this site can be moved to facebook but you can of course start a new group on facebook if you don't like the ones already on there.Just call it a different name and invite Southall Knowhere members to join.

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 7-Aug-2014
    It may be back but already playing up. I'm out.

  • Re: This site by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Aug-2014
    Yes I agree with Dilys. Just start a new Facebook page. Make it a closed group. Call it "Oldies from Southall" or something.

  • Re: This site by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2014
    I think its a good idea to get Yvonne with us if we can

  • Re: This site by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2014
    Or Silvers from Southall

  • Re: This site by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2014
    Or Silver surfers from Southall

  • Re: This site by Carol (Member 10254505) on 7-Aug-2014
    Very good Denis

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 7-Aug-2014
    If anyone decides to set up a new group let us all know. I do like Colin's posts from the old local papers though on are you an old face. I think he set up this group after a little trouble with the original site. You can't please everybody it seems.

  • Re: This site by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 7-Aug-2014
    Well I,m for staring a new site, and agree Yvonne needs to join us. Her knowledge and research is an asset and we do not want to lose it.

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Aug-2014
    Yvonne already has massive input in are you an old face of Southall but goes under her maiden name Eve Ackers for those of you who have not tried this facebook group.

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Aug-2014
    Sorry, should have read Eve Acres.

  • Re: This site by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2014
    I thought there was a connection.

  • Re: This site by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Aug-2014
    I didn't set up the "an old face of Southall" Facebook group, that happened a few months before I joined it. I was asked to become an Admin earlier this year, as was Yvonne/Eve, Eve declined the offer.

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Aug-2014
    Sorry Colin, my mistake. As you were administrator I thought you had set up the group.My apologies

  • Re: This site by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    gt colin grateful admin..louise ..barbs mayo .annie murray..lovely lukvinder..3 more yrs gt admin........myself.5 yrs now .flickr..knowhere...the clock wizzes round badly..time gobbled up...fiddly work... .3 huge yrs or so then fb...hubby me just..getting to essential phase..to get loads done..many admin.are70 ish.yrs.old fb....time ahead.is easier.spoke to louise of admin etc..to find time in tim... more >>

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 12-Aug-2014
    Sorry Yvonne, but I object to your remark about the other facebook site having rough and offensive members. I have been a member from before the new one was set up and on the odd occasion that something offensive has been posted (very rare) the administrators quickly remove them. Let's not start a war over the two sites,either join both or stick to the one you prefer. Lifes to short for trivial things like that.

  • Re: This site by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    just repeated what was typed told to me by newer site admin...quality is the key..they are pleased that they when it happened other site at that time..they broke away from..it was at that time..problems...times have been rough and problems...glad you say it is ok now...they went through time..when it was not...so pleased that you say the other site is ok now.....repeated bit of info I was given by... more >>

  • Re: This site by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-Aug-2014
    I do know a little about why a new "old face of Southall" page was set up and a lot of it was to do with private messages sent to members rather than what actually appearing on the FB page and a falling out between Admins, but that is all water under the bridge now. The only problem I have with the original page is that I was blocked from it, and I still do not know the reason why, but as Dilys sa... more >>

  • Re: This site by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 13-Aug-2014
    Good advice Colin. I didn't know you could send private messages and can't imagine why they would block you.I shall continue to follow both groups because I find things that interest me on both.I do find your postings very interesting though and people on the other site are missing out on these which is a shame.

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High Strreet by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Aug-2014
I see road improvements have started on Southall High Street, can you remember the shops along there when the cinema was the Gem. I used to buy model aircraft kits from a hardware shop. Next door was a pipe shop. Never see anyone smoking a pipe these days let alone a shop steeling them.
Names of shops I mentioned please. And more.
  
  • Re: High Strreet by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    Yes, I certainly remember the "Gem". It was known as the local flea pit.The last time I ever went there some dear little soul was peeing in the aisle! Whereabouts in Southall did you buy your model Aircraft Kit Tom? The only pipe shop I remember was Arnold & Son next door to the National Provincial Bank in South road. Butlers was on the corner.

  • Re: High Strreet by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    The only landmark I can remember in the "Gem" neck of the woods was the Southall Norwood hospital opposite,that we all used to call the Cottage Hospital. The last I read on Google was that it is being demolished and flats and houses built there.
    Oh, and of course the Manor House that everyone knows.

  • Re: High Strreet by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    Tom i can remember the cafe at the the bus stop across from Manor House i think the Teddy Boys used to meet there

  • Re: High Strreet by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    That would be in the mid/late 1950s.

  • Re: High Strreet by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    P.W. Dilloways was one side of the Gem & the other side was the United Dairies yard, i used to buy my model aircraft kits at Devannys (not sure of spelling) in King Street or the Arcade in Uxbridge or the big model shop at the top of Greenford hill on the Ruislip Road

  • Re: High Strreet by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    On the opposite corner of the Cottage Hospital was a fish and chip shop, and the Library further down Osterley Park road. No idea of the name of the shop, but I remember we bought some there once, probably after we'd come out of the Dominion.

  • Re: High Strreet by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Aug-2014
    Wimpey along there somewhere. Mother in law worked there.

  • Re: High Strreet by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Aug-2014
    Next to the Gem, towards the town hall was a hardware shop, that did the Kiel Kraft Kits. Didn't sell models but for some reason just those little models. Cost about 4/6. Absolute buggers to put together.

  • Re: High Strreet by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    tom wimpey 70s etc yrs...along towards palace gaumont odeon cinema south rd west side...wimpey photo on southall fb..about 4 shops south of cinema..lots memories those that used it...icecream .milk shakes etc...still one in hayes high st and ruislip high st..now..

  • Re: High Strreet by Chas Chand (Member 10277855) on 29-Aug-2014
    Im pretty sure the Airfix Model shop was near (opposite) the fire station near the Town Hall. There were scaletrix car tracks in there too.

  • Re: High Strreet by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2014
    they do say that yes...

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Murder in Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Jul-2014
During my years in Southall(1928-1954) I can remember only one murder. This was a sad domestic incident,where a man murdered his wife.They lived in rooms over the cafe near the Gem cinema   
  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jul-2014
    that's sad Michael..not been murdered yet ha 40 yrs this week..hubby just brought card home from his work friends today he told me to answer door tomorrow ...hush think flowers..got coupon for meal etc weekend.voucher..26 yrs memories mike.gt southall.so over café by the gem...gem has been tudor rose nightclub disco several yrs but closed now think flat penthouse to be..white art deco heritage l... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2014
    I can't remember any murders in Southall. The only murder which horrified me was the murder of a Mrs Maitland in Cranford Park Hayes. Mrs Maitland was evidently on her way to work, cutting through the park on April 30th 1957. Three days later her body was found in dense undergrowth in the Park. As far as I can remember no-one was ever found guilty of this crime. As Cranford Woods was not far from ... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2014
    I think there was a murder in Ash Grove of Westbury Avenue nr Allenby Road in the mid 1950s think it was a women not sure if they got anyone for it.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    yes 1957 don't think they got anybody for it..july park festival walks free event annually .lots go good car parking..nature and history talks.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    few in google on it..1957..http://www.truecrimelibrary.com/crime_series_show.php?series_number=11&id=1324

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    1957 one..park...lady came on our site while ago said her aunt..said her dad never got over loss of his sister
    http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=569&name=Muriel%20Maitland

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2014
    Does anybody know about a Dr Moore of Southall who evidently was murdered by a drug addict?

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    yes several spoke of her think 1980s times.norwood green...would have been in gazette..found her in canal..suspect drug addict don't think they got anybody.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    1972 murder moore .newspaper on today facebook.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    apr 1972 naked body dismembered.found canal body taken to norwood green police station..norwood rd doctor age 77 eva moore...joseph walsh charged age 37 appeared in court

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    had not long retired .battered to death in her home found naked in canal..police felt they had the weapon..unemployed walsh age 37..eva moore.off norwood rd norwood green.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    1972 june trident plane crash all deaths crooked billet pub area .staines heathrow plane in google good links.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2014
    Thanks for that Yvonne. Couldn't believe it when I saw it all in Facebook from Colin's newspaper cuttings just now. Terrible thing.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2014
    77 yrs old so terrible he unemployed 37 bet drugs april 1972 terrible...man drove his car went dragged a part ..cart took parts to police station.norwood green....asylum is was ..just east off tentlow lane off 3 bridges read they let them some out to buy sweets or such...today max secure unit criminals by 3 bridges high wall 20yrs now or more.....

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 12-Jul-2014
    I recall that when Mrs Muriel Maitland was murdered I cycled the area helping to look for her bicycle. Sometime later a man was arrested for some other serious crime (murder??) and was suspected of her murder but he was never charged.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2014
    bill yes In google..yrs around then..another was Ruislip near Ruislip manor station female killed they wonder if was same man murderer....gravel pits water..they searched bike body etc..cranford Heston..was another of Heston area over those yrs..also

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 12-Jul-2014
    I remember when Brenda Nash was found murdered in Cranford Woods not far from where I lived, many years later when visiting a friend I found out that Brenda was a cousin of her husband.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jul-2014
    very sad

  • Re: Murder in Southall by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 13-Jul-2014
    The biggest murder is what they have done to the Southall I remember.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jul-2014
    Unfortunately Roy the moving pen having writ moves on

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jul-2014
    Jean - I think you will find that Brenda Nash 12 years old was murdered and discovered in a Hampshire Wood. Her murderer was Arthur Albert Jones and he was given life imprisonment. It was Mrs Maitland who was murdered and discovered in Cranford Woods. To my knowledge her murderer was never found.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Jul-2014
    Has anyone any idea what the crime/murder rate is in Southall currently??

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-Jul-2014
    The current official statisics are here:

    http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Constituency/65794

    Whenever I see charts like this the quotation "Lies, damn lies and statistics" comes t... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 13-Jul-2014
    Pauline:- Thank you for pointing out my mistake, for all these years I had thought it was Cranford Woods that poor Brenda was found, it made a big impression on my life being that I was only a year or so older than her when this awful event took place.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jul-2014
    MIKE>>.PLEASE ....what was ..the fisherman..giant fish on his shoulder back..you spoke of southall bridge area....firm..yrs..how was it showing up along long high side of building thanks.....you spoke of it..southall factory..skippers..etc firms..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jul-2014
    mike got your item....thanks ..1939 ish skippers sardines..letters skippers down side huge lite up letters..tall factory chimney..........scott emulsion cod liver oil etc...giant logo sign fisherman with big fish over his shoulder..1950s etc,.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 14-Jul-2014
    On the subject of murders, I spent the weekend in the City of London. They hold Jack the Ripper tours of the murder scenes. One being Mitre Square, which is adjacent to where my daughter has her flat. She actually looks out onto Mitre House in Mitre St and Mitre Sq. This Building was the head office of Kearley and Tonges. (International Stores)

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    back .been out most day..site

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    yes IT tea etc stores.grocery..kearley..yes tv has mitre sq .and murders..we went to docklands museum they had all the police etc collecton on display..so much there...yes pub ,near whitechapel..of the murdered women several used..blue guide walks talks .and the square warehouse..my aunt supervisor kearley .piecework they got extra money work done she liked her workmates yrs..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 14-Jul-2014
    Murder is now so common, that it very often doesn't make the news. A day without any murders in London would now be the newsworthy event

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Jul-2014
    I believe that the ceramic sign for the Scotts Emulsion factory that was seen from the railway is preserved somewhere but I have failed to find the reference to it that I must have seen. I wonder if anyone else can trace it? The following websites may be of interest.

    http://www.chemheritage.org/discover/media/magazine/articles/28-1-the-man-with-a-fish-on-his-back.aspx?page=1

    http://www.bri... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Jul-2014
    There is a reference to the Scotts Emulsion sign in Pevsner's Guide:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AuvCfuvUy-0C&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=scotts+emulsion+sign+southall&source=bl&ots=ZqIv6LawYh&sig=3QZjbAwNi8Xr1ofecmWV-CBOEvU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XzrEU8rfKamV0AW04IHQCQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=scotts%20emulsion%20sign%20southall&f=false

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    one huge advert board of fisherman sou'wester fish .in photo new York by bridge...southall lady said she went to Norway bensen in recent yrs said southall one is there....hq .bensen.of .scott emulsion cod liver oile etc..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    poster advert of it....on brit library Euston.online page ...
    http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/evancoll/a/014eva000000000u04142000.html

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    156 pound codfish..advert Norway scott of yr 1884 firm
    http://www.chemheritage.org/discover/media/magazine/articles/28-1-the-man-with-a-fish-on-his-back.aspx?page=2

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jul-2014
    all here the advert..the bottles..etc...Bergen Norway..
    http://simontalks.com/2009/02/18/remember-scotts-emulsion-cod-liver-oil/

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Jul-2014
    Jean Kirby - Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you. Computer problem. I'm sorry the murder of Brenda Nash had such a bad effect on you all those years ago. I was expecting my second baby at that time, and it upset me as well. There was a young girl who had been assaulted by the same man as Brenda, but not killed. Fortunately, she was able to provide the police with valuable information about... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2014
    3 days off with strange message on their screen..seems back now.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jul-2014
    At last 3 days, but at least they let us know.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 18-Jul-2014
    What a job to log back in tonight. Sent me everywhere.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2014
    how they survive.dont know..the more modern ..huge used sites get all the advertisers backing advert use.promotion.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-Jul-2014
    Mine was working OK over the 3 days, but l didn't have anything to post.
    However, when l switched on just now, loads of stuff from 2011 came on the screen!!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Jul-2014
    Yes Keith - I also had a load of 2011 come up, and everytime I tapped in Southall Knowhere again I got the lesser Message Board and then had to go on from there.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 20-Jul-2014
    I think we are all in the same boat. When I log in I,m in 2011 with Roy's rice pudding.......

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jul-2014
    Had the same job logging into Southall Knowhere today!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jul-2014
    was ok today and yesterday..put .sou..in google..uses my computer memory ..up comes top one southallknowhere and click..came up ok..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Jul-2014
    Yes.
    I've just got "Roy's rice pudding" again

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jul-2014
    Well, I don't get Roy's Rice Pudding. When I tap in Southall Knowhere I get a list comes up and the first one is SOUTHALL MIDDLESEX UNITED KINGDOM THE KNOWHERE GUIDE.When I click on this a List comes up Hook Up Spots etc. To the right MESSAGE BOARD and underneath SOUTHALL MESSAGE BOARD underlined. I click on this and the usual page we are on 10th July at the top appears. However, if I click on th... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jul-2014
    been ok couple days now ..but did get hook up..thing for a day.......when 3 days of recent problem with them..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Jul-2014
    Much as it pains me to say it, I think it's time to put all our efforts into the 2 Facebook pages for Southall.

    I resisted for a long time because I'd heard Facebook was all pervasive but if one tweaks the settings one is not constantly bombarded with requests & emails.

    You can just go and look at the 2 sites whenever & not only add text but edit your postings & of course add links &... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jul-2014
    I think you are right Fred. I must admit though that for me I find that the memories of most of the members on Facebook are a lot different from mine. The shops most of them remember are post war, and they are also having a job to remember what shops existed when they were still in Southall which I didn't even know about. I still miss all the friends I remember on Southall Knowhere, but am finding... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Jul-2014
    I still switch between sites, but i have found more people of my era in Southall on facebook plus pictures i shall continue to follow Southall Message board,

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Jul-2014
    I'm still checking in here

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jul-2014
    Are you on Facebook Carol? I thought of you this week as they've been talking about the Le Grands you knew about in Southall.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2014
    mike braden knew of le grand Sutcliffe gell..early yrs.southall ..be back in the pages here index search slot at the top to get the month yr ..knowhere site..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 24-Jul-2014
    I agree with Denis it's time to make the switch to Facebook. I have recently joined and see a few names from this site, but not many. But I must agree the age difference is not the same as here.
    Also there is a lot of rubbish loaded up, well I think it's rubbish.
    I also look here first as I've enjoyed all the memories.
    But Facebook being The creation it is there are a few muppets writing comm... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Jul-2014
    Pauline - yes I am on Facebook - Carol Rycraft

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jul-2014
    Tom is right. I'm still getting Roy's rice pudding.

    Unfortunately there is a lot of rubbish on every Facebbok site, People have hundreds of "invisible friends" who they've never met and never will. Most of them would be of our grandchildren's, and as far as I am concerned, they never got the proper schooling that we did and also, their "values" are different (= almost non existent.) It i... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jul-2014
    Keith, Colin has provided us all with a link which allows us access to all the input on this site up until February 2013 under the heading of KNOWHERE ARCHIVE.

    This is Colin's link

    www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/ind... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jul-2014
    I agree with what Tom says about the language used from certain individuals on Facebook. I do believe however, that one such person who used vile language to another person was removed. Rem short for remember is quite common.

    As for making friends Keith, I've only got friends with my family, friends I already know, and some from this site. You don't have to have friends you don't want to on Fa... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 25-Jul-2014
    I have a Facebook account but with the minimum information about me. I have restricted my "friends" to family with one exception. I scan the posts infrequently and most are to say the least quite inconsequential. It is useful to keep informed about their life but I very very very rarely post anything. Needless to say I do not "tweet". I am sure that if I were younger I would go with the flow and be fully involved.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jul-2014
    I dont have meany friends om Facebook the friends i do have i have know for over 30yrs, my other friends om Facebook

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jul-2014
    I dont have meany friends om Facebook the friends i do have i have know for over 30yrs, my other friends on Facebook are people who have crossed over from Southall message board i shall keep in touch with all sites relating to Southall.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Jul-2014
    I belong to FB.......visit both Southall sites. Rarely post, only when I feel I have something worth contributing. I recognise several from Knowhere Group. Sometimes it is very interesting........not always but worth a look now and then. Chris x Give it a try, you might be surprised.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 25-Jul-2014
    As one of the Admins for one of the two Southall Facebook pages (I'm blocked from the other one because I think someone took offence about something I said about the way the page was run), I have to say that you have nothing to be worried about using Facebook, just ensure that you provide the minimum of information on your own page and be selective about who you have as "friends".

    The main adva... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2014
    quite a few and many people did not ,do not like the way the other fb.is...so 3 yrs ago ,they set up the alternative fb...therefore many nice people.are there...when the odd rogue one slips on colin is so good to delete them quickly permanently..

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jul-2014
    Yippee! I tapped into Southall Message Board this morning and it came straight into Michael Braden's thread at the top. Can't be bad!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jul-2014
    good,,,havebeen lucky beenok each timeoff mymemory..sou and upitcomesclick

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 28-Jul-2014
    Personally I now prefer the original old face group as I find are you an old face is now going too far from the concept of memories of Southall.Hayes Hillingdon and Uxbridge are now being included a little too much although I usually skip most of these. I may find myself banned from the group now after these comments although I hope not as there are some comments and pictures that I do enjoy.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jul-2014
    great to hear see some more typing on southall...quite lot has been covered obviously.. if you click top right magnify glass .index of massive southall that has been done for so long ..put in your interest ..then bring it back on again for people to see again..and comment ...afresh..best wishes hope to hear from you...

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Jul-2014
    Still getting Roys rice pudding

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Jul-2014
    Haaaaa - hope you like rice pudding!!!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jul-2014
    Saves buying it Keith LOL

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jul-2014
    Keith - Try tapping out Southall Message Board 10th July 2013. It's worth a try.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jul-2014
    I've been having a look at our Saxon road thread that Ron Cox started. I can't think for the life of me what the shops were on the opposite side of Abbott's road, where John's the book shop was. I can visualise the other end where the little wool shop with shiny yellow paper in the window to prevent the sun spoiling the wool, with a little post-office and bakers called Webb & Banks next to it. Can... more >>

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jul-2014
    Sorry Keith - that should be Southall message board 2014

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Jul-2014
    Does anyone remember Mr Wiles the butcher who had a butchers shop right down the far end of Beaconsfield Road (about 1958) in the small parade of shops there??

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jul-2014
    No Keith, I didn't know any butchers in Beaconsfield road at that time. In fact I was married and living in Langley then. The only time I remember going shopping in Beaconsfield road was when I was looking for paraffin during the war, and sometimes I was lucky.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 31-Jul-2014
    Pauline, in the war you wouldn't have because I said 1958 in my original posting. I think he only bought the shop in 1956, and before then was the butchery manager in one of the Hanwell branches of the Co-Op. But this was just as the area was beginning to change and I think the shop survived only for a few years. I would like to know for how long it was there. I went to school with one of his sons.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Jul-2014
    I wondered what the connection was Keith as I knew you were a Hanwell man.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 31-Jul-2014
    Yes, I haven't been there since after he opened the shop, certainly that would be about 1958/60.

    I seem to remember that there were only about 4 shops in that little parade right at the end of the road. I'm afraid it had to fail as he got his timing (the supermarkets were just starting), his location (it was effectively a cul-de-sac) and his market (demographic population change), all wrong

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 1-Aug-2014
    Today I have looked on google Street View
    That far end of Beaconsfield Road has been completely demolished, and is unrecognisable. The shops are gone without any trace, and the whole area is now the "Blair Peach primary school"

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    yes primary sch long time now he was teacher died southall....show my street ..very good .so clear camera last yr or so...

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 1-Aug-2014
    Well, that's why there is no evidence of, or little memory of those shops. They were never going to succeed. I do now remember driving down there once in about 1975 by which time I think they were all closed and derelict

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    Beaconsfield pub used to be..gone.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Aug-2014
    I was down Beaconsfield Road not that long ago the pub was there then i am sure

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Aug-2014
    I was down Beaconsfield Road not that long ago the pub was there then i am sure

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    beaconsf arms closed long time now..
    http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/53/5372/Beaconsfield_Arms/Southall

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    closed few yr now...
    http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/results.shtml/el/Southall%3BMiddlesex/

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    arms demolished
    http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/middlesex/southall_beaconsfieldarms.html

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 1-Aug-2014
    LOADS of all closed pub info all over Britain on

    "The Lost Pubs project" "Lost Pubs in London". You can input any county

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2014
    Beaconsfield rd lots modern several yrs now huge college campus....huge leisure sports centre along....

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Aug-2014
    I think this is my last post on this site. Where has everybody gone to? How can I find you all again?
    Keith

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 3-Aug-2014
    I have been looking and adding comments on FB lately, but they are not our age group.
    A few names are familiar, but when ever someone starts a link,
    Alls you get is a "me too" comment or " I was there" comment rather than a story or experience as we normally add on here.
    Having ventured on to both Southall sites on FB I, m not impressed.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 3-Aug-2014
    So thinking about let's come up with some new threads to input to and keep this old farts site going as long as pos.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Aug-2014
    Here here! Let us keep this site going

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    Yes, I'm all in favour of keeping this site going.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    Keith - I felt so sad when I read your post. I'm sure we'll try to keep this site going as most of the friends on Facebook haven't got the same connection as we all have over the years.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    I have just lit a candle for all the casualties including my uncle who died on 3 NOVEMBER 1918 on the 100th anniversary of the start of WW1

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    I think we will all stay in touch with Southall massage board.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Aug-2014
    Denis-how tragic you uncle was killed so near the end of the war
    I had an uncle killed in 1915-his came is on the Menin Gate Memorial

  • Re: Murder in Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Aug-2014
    Sorry Pauline

    I really thought everyone was going to be using a different board. If you all stay here for as long as possible, then so shall I. Also just want to report that over the weekend, at last, my bees seem to have come back for the lavender. Keith

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    Thank you Michael he died in the Spanish Flu epidemic he was in the RAF as an airframe rigger on Short Seaplanes at Lee on Solent.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    Keith - So pleased to know that your bumble bees are back on your Lavender. Read a tip that if you find a bee on the floor don't immediately think it's dead as it might just want a drink. According to RSPB mix some sugar in some water and put it near the bee. It could revive it.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Aug-2014
    I liked your definition "This old farts site" Tom. I will just think if it as TOFS in future!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Aug-2014
    My neighbour has a candle in her window this evening too! We have our lights out now...10pm to 11pm, to show our respect! Most of our cul did sac is in darkness excerpt one house, they are too young I suppose! Chris x

  • Re: Murder in Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Aug-2014
    Lights on in most houses where in live OH WELL.

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2014
    I had my candle on and all the other lights out while I watched the service at Westminster Abbey. Most of my neighbours did as well. I did think when all the lights went out how much electricity was being saved in that hour by the Electricity Board!

  • Re: Murder in Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2014
    keith..bees etc.just back from our Chichester etc areas holiday yes lavender farms fields mauve and bees.....ours died end war ..nov 1918.wounds of 3 yrs battles.arras france..northyde suthall publican....on holiday 4 aug .so restaurant .pub.hotel room.not home for candle...but tv was so well done of abbey..lights off .and unknown warrior and good tv coverage ..several days now..as warned couple h... more >>

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Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2014
Has anybody noticed whether they have any bumble bees or honey bees on their lavender or flowers this year. Normally, my lavender bushes are swarming with all sorts of bees, especially bumble bees. This year none! A gardener friend of mine said he is experiencing exactly the same. He did say that as bumble bees nest underground in the winter that maybe they were drowned after the excessive rain we... more >>   
  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jul-2014
    Jean - I think you will find that Brenda Nash was murdered and found in a Hampshire Wood. She was 12 years old and Arthur Albert Jones was convicted and given life imprisonment It was Mrs Maitland who was murdered in Cranford Woods. As far as I can remember Mrs Maitland's murderer was never discovered.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2014
    I have a big lavender crop this year here in Sussex, but no bees

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2014
    lordington lavender lovely..and ..lavender line train.great

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Jul-2014
    I'm staying in Derbyshire at the moment but have only seen a couple of bumble bees in my daughter's garden.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 15-Jul-2014
    My buddlia is alive with butterflies but not so many bees this year, however, I have noticed that each day there are always a few dead bumble bees on the ground such a shame that they are suffering in great numbers all around the country. I live in Northamptonshsire.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2014
    For those concerned about bees and the environment, check out - - 38 degrees - - on the web. Also, there's - https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/bees-card

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2014
    bees ...on itv..gardening tv..hour ..tonight tuesday

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2014
    The lack of bees could be serious.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2014
    lots bees ..live . on tv.hives.8pm.itv..honey.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jul-2014
    Saw three Bumble bees on my lavender today, so that's something. Plenty of honey bees though.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jul-2014
    weekend in pond nature reserve area ..saw all sorts..bees.on thistles etc..quite few different butterflies did survey in google free gt chart photos..to see all tick..once yr survey...birds .young ducks etc..long grass meadow reeds.bullrushes so lovely,natural English
    habitat for them all

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jul-2014
    bbc 2 ...now again ..tv bees hour..again on .bbc2.now on.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Jul-2014
    I watched this programme on Honey Bees tonight and found it most interesting. I'm finding that more honey bees are enjoying my lavender bushes, although still only three or so bumble bees. I'd love to know where their hive is.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jul-2014
    yes its a wonder where the hive is .gt bbc 2..gt .show//4 yrs ago had wasp nest in bush..hot path.. we dealt with..tissue fine thin grey papery.

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2014
    got attacked by bunch of bees today....they stole my nectar points///

  • Re: Bumble bees and Honey bees by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Aug-2014
    Happy to say I've got a great deal more honey bees on my Lavendar bushes but still only a few bumble bees. Still, it's a good sign for the honey bees.

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photos by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 21-Jun-2014
Can somebody please refresh an old mans memory on how to view photos on our site ?   
  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    roy....yours you kindly gave us been on there yr now..very nice....flickr.southallboard photostream in google....best wishes to you roy.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    roy..yours...milk.horse .depot...win..shield outside pub.group....board 52......
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/81447106@N05/

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    your hardy...shop.....photo you roy in chair.good photo.
    board 12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/52959565@N05/

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    roy in google....just type southallboard...click enter.........and up comes .long one of southall photos...

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    Hi Yvonne, I went and had a look at a couple of the southall boards and saw a few pictures of poor old Southall football club. I used to follow then in the late 50,s and 60,s when they had their last FA Amateur cup run. Beaten by Enfield in the Semi final I think. Any way I had an uncle and a grandad who both played for Southall, and both called Harry Robinson. Grandad I,m told played for southall... more >>

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    Correction to above, I watch them in the 1959/60 seasons cup run. Lost to Enfield at Western road 1-0 in the quarter finals, Enfield lost to Hendon who won at Wembley.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    tom..in google ...put history s f c history up came links

    http://www.southallfc.com/

    http://www.southallfc.com/history.html
    http://www.southallyouthfc.com/club-hi... more >>

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    George twyman eldery...southall local hist.society back to before 1960..lifetime.....and football etc...lives dormers wells lane..library might help you if he knows info...

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    harry robinson.79 abbotts rd southall 1914......harry joseph.78 Hammond rd....arthur Richard 32 abbotts rd........tom.140 Clarence st...chas henry grove cottages north rd..1914....William 30 lea rd.....William chas 23 portland rd..

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    some links,,here....
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=1959+southall+football&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=CMNTDFJS
    in google

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    Yvonne I,m going to enjoy going through those links.

  • Re: photos by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 21-Jun-2014
    Tom, I think it would have been the 1925 final when Southall played Clapton at Millwall's ground, Southall lost 2-1.

  • Re: photos by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 21-Jun-2014
    Tom, I managed to find a Times report on the final and there is no mention of a H. Robinson in the Southall team, this was the only time that Southall reached the final in this period. However the period 1925-35 was a very successful time for the club with them having good cup runs in both FA Cup and Amateur Cup over a number of seasons, so perhaps the story about your grandad became a little distorted over time.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    ok tom..gt work colin

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    We'll done Colin, what I have got is a medal which reads southall FC winners WMFL 1906-07 followed by his name.

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    So thinking about it he would have been well past it by the time he reached 1926.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    tom..goog in google
    http://southallfc.blogspot.co.uk/
    1906 photo wmfl
    1938 photo mrs edington with team
    1838 photo southall phoenix.jim scully player and team

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2014
    good list winners all yrs ,.some for southall being winner are..1910...1911..1913..1922..1923..etc.....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesex_Charity_Cup

  • Re: photos by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 21-Jun-2014
    Hi Yvonne, I have been playing and came across the Southall blog site, and from comparing from the very few old pictures we have on him, he looks to be the one on the front row at the end with the tash. That's in the big picture at the top of the page.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2014
    that's marvellous.it is nice site..and photos good...am glad..

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2014
    several days off now back the site

  • Re: photos by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Jun-2014
    So pleased to see the site back again. I thought it had gone for good this time

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2014
    just seen account of war .Northolt airport
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_Ruislip_Wellington_accident

    wellington bomber plane crashed just behind western ave polish war memorial .station approach..6 crew 9 passengers killed oct 18 1942..2 women on ground killed who both had 2 children..death due to decapition.struck by plane. which caught fire.mrs reay.32 yrs old..very sad.indeed..7yr old... more >>

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2014
    yes sort of 3 days ..thought so.keith

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jun-2014
    Just read 1942 Ruislip Wellington crash thanks Yvonne most interesting.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2014
    yes October.very sad.

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2014
    Heard Southall Cottage hospital moving to the Dominion arts center,

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2014
    How sad Denis, and what is going to be put in its place?

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2014
    it is in google couple months now....not say what happens to Carnegie library

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2014
    oh hospital....google says because of new ealing hospital...southall it is due to close...library moves into dominion art centre....many cottage hospitals have...closed last 30yrs

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2014
    1940s film Heston..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXTehVY_gQ

    has Woolworth hardware counters Hounslow high st..bell pub with army raf marching parade.
    spitfire whole plane but wreck in park.collecting money for new spits
    war savings b... more >>

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    I ngoogle...some hospital services went to new ealing hospital uxbridge rd...the front building..in photos on southall green the front old building of yr 1890...1991 called penny sangam .2006 closed went to Greenford place.....
    http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/southallnorwood.html

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2014
    Whatever changes that are made for this hospital, it's still sad to see another Southall landmark disappearing. Interesting though to read the history of the Southall Norwood hospital.

  • Re: photos by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Jun-2014
    The mention of Osterly Park Road evokes some old memories.In the later years of WW2 my patents had a Belgian refugee as Lodger-he was the Belgian Liason Officer for Southall, and had an office in Osterly Park Road

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    it is a nice rd ..lovely houses..north side Carnegie library but library shut..due to reopen books computers in the dominion art centre that they built..southall green west side...

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2014
    I looked up in Google to see when the library was built, but couldn't find a date. It did state however that there will be no public access to the Martinware collection at the library from the 16th June 2014. The new improved exhibition room will be opened in the new Dominion Centre later in the summer.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    thankyou Pauline that was kind of you...knew a girl that went there down end may.. when she heard library closing..,she saw the small items martin there...over the yrs many of the donated 200,,went to pitsanger mansion..I saw them yr 2000 4 rooms display great free entry....break in 2006 so far way locked away now until secure idea to open again....so southall 2014 only had few small pieces that ... more >>

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    Pauline...in google.pdf comes up..opens ok...type southall-ealing 13 southall library Carnegie opened 1905...Pauline Carnegie payed for from usa. of great fame.pdf booklet.it opens ok...says art nouveau lettering above the door.so heritage listed architecture...huge size. lettering .architecture heritage listed .triple arch/entry//can see in streetview..Carnegie payed for library.
    https://www.fli... more >>

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    in google..
    scroll down..photo of the wide front of library .lettering art nouveau above door .is.southall public library norwood..carved stone ..booklet says 1905..opened..photo of manor hse.
    http://maninblue1947.wordpress.com/category/my-web-diary/
    other link gave you is pdf booklet of ealing library librarian of southall pages info..1905 says etc...

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    lovely ornate art nouveau roof shapes brick elaborate front..photo.
    southall library 1905
    http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1165243

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2014
    another in google.dominion arts centre close sept 2014 to oct 2014 for buildingwork new extention library etc.opens oct.£3million..lovely street view zoom close .gt nouveau front..to the roof Carnegie trust fund payed in 1905 for building..so scrolled and carved there the Carnegie,

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2014
    What a state the Norwood Cottage hospital is in. That always looked a lovely building. The library doesn't look too bad, but for how long! I'm not going to look at any of it again. It's too depressing.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2014
    street view 2o12 changes to south side of Osterley pk rd......have a feeling they will preserve the 1905 Carnegie trust payed for library art nouveau building..the architecture.by jones

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jul-2014
    Faceboook, ;are you an old face ; nice pic of swimming pool on the rec

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jul-2014
    Faceboook, ;are you an old face ; nice pic of swimming pool on the rec

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jul-2014
    Yes, it is nice Denis. All in colour. Haven't seen anything of you on "are you a old face from Southall". A few of us are on there now.

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jul-2014
    Hi Pauline have not downloaded anything yet but i will.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2014
    yes pool do..save as .and it goes to you computer folder pictures ..gt one..

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2014
    denis if you mean put photo on...click camera symbol..and itg oes to your computer photos and download...also click the word {add photo } and it does the same..

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2014
    denis..click words... write post.. and it lets you type your comment..

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jul-2014
    Thank you Yvonne will do.

  • Re: photos by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2014
    ok best wishes

  • Re: photos by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Jul-2014
    Thank you Pauline

  • Re: photos by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2014
    Nice to see another friendly face from Knowhere Denis.

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Cleo Laine by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 7-Jun-2014
Just to start a new thread I have reposted what I said on the Bus Routes thread:

In her autobiography Cleo says the following:

"At Featherstone Road they (her parents) started a boarding house which roomed and fed mostly Irish labourers, single men and women and families. It must have been successful because they soon rented the house nex... more >>
  
  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2014
    lovely have it that she left school 14 but did not do sing seriously til 25 yrs old had 4 little jobs on off..mellow lane uxbridge rd hayes seniors went for while......small kid photo Clarence st with sister ..so born 1927 to 1932ish...1935 Featherstone rd infants sch so 8 featherst...yes was big building of our photo owned by welch ancient Featherstone hall...had farm behind yrs ago was workhouse... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2014
    lived about 3 doors away rom dominion..one person moved in the hse when cleo family left....brother cleo was alex married local...he was gd jazz singer drummer and at white hart ...langridge local 1st hubby but divorce 25 she works sing with .dankworth.tour

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2014
    board 21..photo backyard clarence st 3 kids age 3 to 6 ish yrs..cleo eldest and sister...then must be move to featherst 8.....Clarence Woodley sweet shop...

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jun-2014
    I remember mum telling me they lived near Cleo Lane but i did not know she whet to Dormer wells i wonder if she has been back to see it now.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 8-Jun-2014
    My friend Colin Edwards' Mother (they lived in South Ave Gdns) was a contemporary of Cleo Laine and said Cleo used to sing at the Salvation Army, if I remember correctly.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Jun-2014
    Fred, your friend's mother must have known my mother as they would have been the same age and my mother also lived in South Avenue Gardens prior to the family moving to Northcote Avenue.

    I have found one little mystery about the school Cleo calls "Lady Margaret" as at one point she says it is in Montgomery Road, Southall, but as far as I am aware there is not a Montgomery Road in Southall. I wo... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 8-Jun-2014
    Cleo was a friend of Babs Perry my sister-in-laws sister. Cleo did live in Orchard Ave at the time she went to Dormers. John was a brother.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 8-Jun-2014
    Hi Colin, I'll tell you something else about Colin Edwards, apart from his mother knowing Cleo Laine, his father worked in the workshops that made the original Daleks and he was always asking us for spare bike pedals we'd get them from Greenford Dump(because that's how the Daleks were propelled by a man inside).

    My Aunty, Uncle & Cousins also lived in South Ave Gdns at No. 22 the Founts.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    got photo gdad southall charabanc lots pubs used them day out easter seaside.....my 2 aunts...and my uncle s family..all lived south ave gardens....built 1930....gt to hear of cleo..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Jun-2014
    According to Wikipedia,Clao went on to Senior School at Melling Hill Lane Snior School ,Hayes

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 8-Jun-2014
    Hi all, I started this off yesterday with my original question in the bus routes thread. My reason being that my dad said he used to lodge at Cleo Laines parents before he married in about 1936. But dads address on their marriage certificate is Southall Ave Gardens. So I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together, but at the moment it's not adding up. Needless to say mum and dad are no longer around to solve the mystery.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jun-2014
    Tom, I've got the 1936 Electoral Roll for Southall if that would help.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 8-Jun-2014
    Correction from last entry, address is 10 South Ave Gardens.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 8-Jun-2014
    Carol that would be great can it be emailed. Flynnthomas@sky.com

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jun-2014
    Another piece of information in Cleo Laine's Biography stated that she dropped out of school at the age of 14 to begin her quest to find a singing career.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jun-2014
    Tom - I'll email you.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    shame not able to ask of their marriage cert 1936 south ave gdns......if they both there at marriage cert
    he could be with her parents............
    rented maisonettes...when my saunt 1935 lived south ave gdns......1936....before yrs he lodged cleo family.....google says her family moved several times.cleo age about 9 yrs old then primary school....and what with divorce of her parents.......goog... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jun-2014
    Electoral Roll for 1928 at 100 Clarence Street - Sulivia Alexandria Campbell, Minnie Bullock and Charles Ilett. Only a few doors down from where my family were living. There is a story that my grandmother actually delivered Cleo Laine but how true that is I don't know.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    colin message on other thread.......cleo left Featherstone rd....pre 1937/6...divorce of her parents ....so lodgings come to end...if he moves to south ave gns.....1936 ish yrs,,,,,,age 10 1937 cleo goes to lady marg primary near her home 10/48 orchard ave,,,,,1938 age 11..she is in same class as colins mum..dormers wells seniors.......leaves school age 14..but ...if another move...she seems to go... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    gt carol 100 clarence some of mine lived Clarence loads did .1800s 1900s clarence families...1920 cleo born 1927 eldest of 3..3 in photo back yard.....gt ....then they move to Featherstone rd for a while but divorce happens........sure.YOUR
    gran did..so many older ladies did..my nans aunt .Heston birthed loads babies layed out dead they said go get granny..all called her granny 1857 born died 19... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    yes thought so...Pauline...thought remembered mellow hayes was county grammar sch hayes uxbridge rd..past yeading lane up near adam eve pub...just in view there north side uxbrdge rd bus stop....so 1940 uniform..she and brother ,,mellow lane grammar age 12/3//1940 ....dormers no uniform.1938 age 11 for her ......but often assessed 1st yr and 2nd yr go to tech or grammar if place vacant..often no p... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Jun-2014
    Cleo lived at Hayes End for a while, this was when she went to Mellow Lane. The break-up of her parents marriage occured whilst the family were in Hayes End, it seems her mother left her father and for a while Cleo and her brother Alec remained at Hayes End with him. She says that when she was 13 she and her brother went to live with their mother at Orchard Avenue, the impression I get from the bo... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    ann gill gt..thanks so cleo probably left dormers age 14..1941..thanks..when back with mum..catchment area.......yes visited mellow good school..modern times when I went..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Jun-2014
    Having re-read the section of Cleo's autobiography about her time living in Featherstone Road and where the family moved after that, I think that they moved out of Featherstone Road in the Autumn of 1936, the family moved quite a few times seemingly whenever the debts built up they did a "moonlight flit".

    Tom, I would not read too much into the address your father gives when he married as it wa... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jun-2014
    Found this about Minnie Bullock - she was born Minnie Blanche Hitchings and married Frederick W H Bullock in 1913 in Swindon. Piece I found said she was a bigamist who ran a boarding huse for Irish labourers and Ben's Cabin Cafe at 200 Hanworth Road, Hounslow.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    had read she came from Swindon....oh ..bigamy 1913 etc yrs ..fair bit of it many yrs..olden days..working class not afford divorce solicitor etc...less easy get divorce..or such...thanks carol..new town southall factories rail canal.etc....they came from all oer 1900s 1930s etc...huge swell growth town..rows old terraced hses then..rows 1930s built also...like 2 towns spread..1800 vicar said 33 dw... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    1935 my 2 aunts south ave gdns new built 1930...........yes banns read they put address to suit......he may be married st john..or wherever....thanks...colin.. aut 1936 leave feathers,,,,debts loads labourers working class moonlight flit...1900s southall mr meads wrote of it..rent to pay debts.....seasonal work..but my gdad did brickmaking .southall.1900s yrs then ag lab farm mkt gardening lab wor... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Jun-2014
    1918/1919 Minnie living with Frederick Bullock at 30A Balfour Road. 1928-1931 at 100 Clarence Street with Alex. In 1933 they were at 27A King Street. In 1947 at 48 Orchard Avenue. Alex is not there but daughter Beryl and husband Geofrey Kendrick are with her along with several other people (10 people in total). In 1956 Minnie was at 200 Hanworth Road, Hounslow. When I looked at Electoral Rol... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    yes near asylum dominion..6/7 /9 or such Featherstone...said 3 or 4 doors away from dominion.she saw it built 1935 gracie opened it too huge massive trouble crowds...so interesting carole...10 at orchard her and beryl..Swindon upbringing was amazing wilts.country folk..village pre 1913 but rail town...she was quite a girl...glad cleo got gt life for herself devoted couple dankworth and settled mar... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    carole ..historical directories many yrs now in google free 1914 post off directory.......
    http://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p16445coll4/id/167087/rec/14
    Featherstone rd north side....2..4...6...8 has 1914 john taylor..then 10..12 etc...working mens club...north side...only got 1914 though..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    carol..as you say wedding 1913 swindon....yes 1914 directory southall ..not there no hitchings....and one bullock but west ealing alex at st stephens ave.1914...Minnie 1914/18 war if her bloke went to war....she would be expected to work munitions or rural Swindon wilts land army.on railways or such...... my nan worked ticklers jam factory southall tins jam to troops..her babies neighbour looked after..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Carol (Member 10254505) on 9-Jun-2014
    Yvonne, there is a photo of Minnie in uniform, lovely looking girl. Apparently Alex served in WW1 and was gassed. He came to England when he was 15 after an argument with his father.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    oh that is good..of Minnie...and 15 brave of alex..such early yrs to come to England..ah...call up 1st war and kings shilling..very sad indeed that he was gassed 1st war...photo of one 1950 labour hall southall who was gassed 1st war frail older man later..thanks carol..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    that trio photo back yard Clarence st must be younger brother alex laine..and sister sylvan laine...of alex sylvan Campbell the father..with cleo older sister....sylvan died 1989..1940 trio dd film..theirf of bagdad street urchin...cleo cbe from queen..2 kids with dankworth .son by her 1st marriage..
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0481832/bio

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    cleo married 1947 .age 20...to sailor..george langridge .son stuart ..divorced 1957..1958 married dankworth.son alec 1960..daughter Jacqui 1963..cleo said her dad alex cambell from Jamaica.taught her to sing he sang ..also she went sing dance lessons southall..
    http://www.nndb.com/people/215/000205597/

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    sir john dankworth died 2010..sad for dame cleo..huge loss to jazz..1951 she joined his band.vocals...3 films cleo made.
    http://www.biography.com/people/cleo-laine-39906#the-ever-evolving-talent&awesm=~oGG0V6GmEAwE0x

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    biog in google.....alex came to Europe...fought 1st war..afterwards settled England...married Minnie ...hitchin...alex southall builders labourer..the skilled trained apprentice job of bricklayer is put as builders bricklayer..alex singer musician.......unpaid singing cleo yrs then 1951 johnnie £6 week but asked got £7....tour and to usa....house wavendon bucks..great the stables huge good work ... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    daughter Jacqui..and brother alex .he is bassist and composer.worked together...Jacqui 48 in 2011..after death of dad dankworth.liver comlaint since 20 even though not a drinker a genetic thing.jacqui rsc..actress .and singer 4 octave...married ..in touch with mum regularily..as kids they toured school hols with parents...nannys...boarding school..meeting Sinatra...nice looking girl.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jun-2014
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2030279/Cleo-Laines-daughter-puts-troubled-childhood-Dads-death-finally-mellowed-mum.html

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jun-2014
    Pauline..your dad......but some 45 in coach workers came to aec southall from their home Walthamstow....thick mist fog..wed 20 march 1929 am....at old track in aec .it overturned.obstacle driver could not see...some injured taken to king edward7th hospital west ealing..but were ok..///tues 29 apr 1929.fair in southall elderly tight rope walker .got ill high up..dangled ..50 ft up..taken to hospital but died...

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jun-2014
    My goodness Yvonne, wherever did you find that piece of informaton? Yes, my dad would have been travelling from Walthamstow by coach when AEC moved to Southall. He didn't get married until 1930, so would have been at AEC in Southall in 1929.It's a shame we didn't hear much about his life before he got married, but with WW2 etc everyone was so busy with life as it was then. I don't think he was per... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Jun-2014
    Pauline-during WW2 my mum had a young lady lodger who worked at AEC-Betty Halcombe-her home was in Walthamsrow.Memories!

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jun-2014
    yes remember you saying he bused in..glad he met your dear mum when he moved closer......yes 40s bad war busy 50s 60s mine did not chat much work school shopping washing etc daily the kids..etc.. nobody chatted much...bet he knew of that 45..full bus coach1929 date.fog april..bit injury but ok..it flipped over aec ..obstacle.......open spaces bus stop.rural along there aec ..used to stand in fo... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2014
    Thank goodness it's back! I really began to think we'd had it. I expect you have been hurrying them up Yvonne.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Jun-2014
    I thought it was the end to.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    emailed all weekend but it was Monday before that they seem to be office day....they were there before Monday so did today repeat emails..repeat ..and at last,..old site pre 2000...advertisers fashions fades ..don't think they get as much now...facebook etc get all up to date advertisers.huge modern sites....pays for sites.....so who knows sincere very best to you all if it goes ..to you all from me and husband,,,xx

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 16-Jun-2014
    Welcome back, had me thinking that's it. What am I going to do now..........

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    wonder if it is weekend that is hard for them....they need workdays weekdays advertisers to finance it.......gt tom denis Pauline...we all thought might never come back....unbearably sad.........hanwell carnival weekend ..still huge park nice one huge one.. 100 yrs.........Greenford do small one in ravenor pk

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2014
    I thought the same Tom and have decided to join Facebook when I can get my daughter to start me off. There are quite a few members on our site who are already on it, and at least we can still keep in touch as Facebook seems to run similar threads where everyone puts their twopenneth in. I felt really miserable over the weekend thinking it had finished.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Jun-2014
    I checked other messageboard sites Uxbridge & Northolt they were off to so its not just ours

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    yes always is all knowhere towns ..always all off .checked some...before ..yes...often weekends...

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Jun-2014
    Yvonne-please remind me who actually runs the Knowhere site??

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 16-Jun-2014
    Pauline (and anyone else who is thinking about joining Facebook), once you have joined the group to look for is called "Are you an old face from Southall". You will have ask to join the group as it is a "closed" one which requires administrator approval before you can post on it. I am one of the four administrators and we try to approve people as soon as they ask to join, we also try to keep the g... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    don't know mike ..email at bottom..whole page here.....contact....thanks colin..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    mike on this page says privacy policy...clicked it ...it said managers use Oscar music media ltd London E2..address
    http://www.knowhere.co.uk/privacy.html

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2014
    Colin - Thank you for that information. I will remember it when I apply to join Facebook.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Jun-2014
    Yvonne-thanka for the information. Funny-where I used to work was in London E2

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2014
    gt ok mike..I worked 1966 bbc broadcasting hse..north of oxford st .,,,.tube daily..hubby worked .regent st.pall mall.and north top side of tower London...gt up there lifetime have loved days London.still do often as can..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 17-Jun-2014
    There are two Facebook Groups: "Are you an old face from Southall "(1,655 members) and "are you a old face from Southall" (2,326 members) So I am confused as it would seem a pity to divide the messages. Can anyone advise me? Thanks.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2014
    bill....colin.is admin..of .AN old face....dilys etc .AN old face...the other site.is huge of long years .there have been rifts.problems over the yrs of A OLD face.....so was told the more kindly controlled site AN old face started 3 yrs ago....with many nice people friends ..growing large number..chat like knowhere of nostalgia memories southall with photos...........so colin is admin of AN old f... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2014
    facebook..as a general concern..when you fill in to apply..ask all things..but .identity.as people are told to be.concern of ...you do not have to fill in all their general questions.....closed group so nice of members...........but profile open to all.world wide..so don't worry if you just put basic.join.details....

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 17-Jun-2014
    I have made a mistake-where I worked was E1-apologiea.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2014
    E1..gt mike

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jun-2014
    Thank you Colin.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Jun-2014
    Thank you Colin. It's going to take me a while to get used to all of this now I'm in!

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2014
    Pauline dont worry your not on your own.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Jun-2014
    Thanks Denis. That's nice to know.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2014
    up near the top..if you click word photos...right near top side...it scrolls all over 2/3 yrs collection with chat comments nostalgia..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2014
    if you click..word .files near it ..it shows quite few of colin contribution..scroll

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2014
    TODAY.kate other gran..not the shop assistant southall one... but typist Bletchley pk with twin sister gran...met marion body who worked with her gran..not having chatted secret yrs..so kate heard all today we went 23yrs ago gt there £8 million refurbish lottery heritage money..gt...lots photos in google..code breakers enigma early computer valves colossus ..james bond spies...etc..gt day out..

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 18-Jun-2014
    For all of you now joining Facebook why not join both groups. Are you a old face and Are you an old face. A lot of us contribute to both and of course all pictures are instant.Also would be nice to have some older members with their memories and photos.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Chris (Member 10220786) on 18-Jun-2014
    I belong to both groups. There have been some very interesting topics of discussion from time to time. Some brilliant photos, old and new. Well worth joining. Takes a while to get used to it but worth the effort. Chris x

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 19-Jun-2014
    Re Cleo, Featherstone Terrace, if you go on Google Earth, and type in National Sikh Resource Centre,Featherstone Rd, Southall,where this is housed, the whole block is the old Featherstone Terrace,also housed The Southall Workingmans club, and Southall Boxing club

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jun-2014
    thanks will try....was somebody who lived by there neighbour said she was 3/4 doors away from.dominion being built ..biog she saw it...born 1927 cleo....dominion opened by lord mayor London 1935...she saw asylunm before demolished for road widen and dominion...massive crowd ..len said he was there climbed high to watch it..len born 1925..in my aunts class at school...

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jun-2014
    yes got it nice on 2012 street view...Sikh centre corner.junction..corner featherstone rd .white ..red brick new...junction is called dominion rd..swings round dominion art centre green grass trees area around .......yes old Featherstone terrace..Minnie bullock her mum ran terraced hse near just there ..did well and got the house next door .also for irish lodgers 1930ish.irish lodgers .she took in... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 19-Jun-2014
    Saw the bit about Featherstone terrace etc, what happened to the Working men's club. Spent many a happy hour there.
    Last time I visited Hayes I tried to find the working mans in Hayes which was a new building when I left in 1972 but it appeared to have moved. Any ideas.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Jun-2014
    Tom do you remember my Grandfather he was the accountant at Featherstone Working mens club in the 1940/50 he was George Albert Wyatt he lived on the corner of Elmfield & Featherstone Road where he had the boot menders across from Hulberts shop & petrol pump.

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jun-2014
    hayes work men club pump lane email and tel number
    http://hayesworkingmensclub.co.uk/entertainment.html

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jun-2014
    3/4 links in google southall work mens.....fb site....tel numbers...07525.620628......0208574 3943..featherst terrace....members in google members on facebook

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Southall-Working-Mens-Club/274643285883982

  • Re: Cleo Laine by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Jun-2014
    Although my friend Mauvine and I wouldn't have had cause to know your grandfather at Featherstone Working Mens' club Denis, we did go there a few times during 1946. It was one of our first dance evenings at the age of fifteen. We both thought we were so grown up, and have some lovely memories of the Welsh boys who were staying at the Railway Hotel. We always had such a good laugh with them, althou... more >>

  • Re: Cleo Laine by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Jun-2014
    Ok thank you Pauline.

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Bus routes by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 23-May-2014
I seem to remember there being a bus turnaround at the rear of the Railway Arms (now The Glassy Junction) when I was a kid in the thirties. Or is my memory playing up ?   
  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2014
    best wishes roy nice to hear you...still got your rare photos on our board..they have had lots of viewings interest..southall green....bus at glassy junction.going round there.could easily .be ..........post office this yr being changed at the moment

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2014
    yes mr meads book says around yr 1926 time....lot of buses turning at railway hotel pub......rebuilding southall station bridge at that time.....

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2014
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page21.html

    120 bus route extended ..etc.....1930s new London passenger transport board started....mr meads says ..for period time buses had to turn around those yrs at railway tavern.....1920s...London bridge to southall station....Liverpool st to London station.....mr meads southall book.1920s 1930s ...part 2

  • Re: Bus routes by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-May-2014
    Roy

    There is an exceptionally good site entitled "London Bus Route History"... It is very well set out and extremely interesting. It doesn't always go that far back though. There is also another one to look at which is "Red-RF Home page" and I seem to remember seeing some very early maps and I think you will have hours of interest with these

  • Re: Bus routes by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-May-2014
    My dad was a bus conductor on the 120 route for many years, including the war years.
    His bus went past the site of the bombed Barrats Shoe shop the morning after the bombing. Evidently there were shoes all over the road.
    It was also where the Purcell girls were sadly killed the night before.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2014
    yes mike...I sat on top front of 120 bus at palace cinema by was shoeshop..could nearly touch the dragons at the oriental roof...ha....seems like it...lovely view so camera photo..is lovely that I have .2 huge dragons heads at curve tiles roof..lovely bus 120..my nans lifeline route back to her family ..off Heston church..lovely norwod green also..Hounslow garage nice big and was gt Hounslow high ... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-May-2014
    The early days of the 120 bus about 1952/3 the route was known as 120a i saw the first bus to come down Lady Marg. road about that date. It was later changed to 232 the 120 only ran Saturday noons to Hounslow.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2014
    lovely denis interesting...then.also.roy..think may be talking also of 1920s 30s 40s..turning of some numbers buses at railway tavern hotel became glassy..southall station was popular route..........1928 nan had to move north southall broadway..previously they had walked paths of fields to family./walked factory walked everywhere....bikes came in....later yrs 120 was popular bus...go Heston way..H... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-May-2014
    Yes, I remember using the 120 bus all during the summer holidays in 1945 to Heston Farm when I got a casual job picking apples up from the fruit trees and stringing tomatoes up in the fields. There were a number of young children all working there from the local schools, and many from Southall County school, where I had just left! It wasn't very well paid but we supplemented our wages by helping o... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-May-2014
    When I was a student,one summer I worked for a month on Heston Farm(summer of 1949/1950?)-worked on the land.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2014
    yrs 1800s 1900s they are all working on heston farm.it closed 1960..nans brother had to retire he is 13 yrs old working there on 19o1 census....kids age 8 onwards worked at times..he died yr after leaving,,lived cottage opposite tythe he had to get out .......horses .steam engine.all used long yrs..nans cousin won horse medals awards from association Denham.for farm horse work.heston lifetime..gt ... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-May-2014
    Your mention of horses at Heston Farm reminded me of a dear old Shire horse who was used to plough the land there. He was managed by a man called "Fiddler". This poor old horse had an open place near his hoof and the flies used to get in it. The horse was constantly stamping his foot on the ground to get rid of them. It used to upset me to see this, but if we were talking about it when we were str... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-May-2014
    Pauline- when I worked at Heston Farm, I was Fiddler's assistant-my job was to lead the horse for the plough-Fiddler used to cuss the horse and I in equal measure.The horse sensed I was new, and used to play up!

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-May-2014
    in Heston church by ..main path graves just by grave gate off pavement ..by path saw mr mrs fidler grave..think him unusual name

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-May-2014
    Michael - I wonder if it was the same horse as when I was there? It would have been about five years before you. There were also a lot of Land Army girls there plus a Conscientious Objector. All lovely people. They did offer me a permanent job when September came, but I didn't want to stay after all the school children went back to school, plus the money wasn't very good! It was a lovely experienc... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-May-2014
    Thank you for that Yvonne. Yes, I expect it was the same family. It always makes me think of "Fiddler on the Roof".

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-May-2014
    yes..ha..........also..mr allen his wife was land army there..Heston church..he .in the last few yrs had stained glass window made...at her death...huge lovely colours..design..land army,,,to the left of the altar..lovely......ours there was mkt gardener all her life local born bred Heston..edie..they worked hard she did..land army ladies ....and 1st war nan and her cousins and neighbours worked t... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-May-2014
    After the war, but gone now, there was a Fiddler family scrap dealers Whitton/Twickenham area

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    Pauline.................got photo .1953 coronation party 20 kids fancy dress..mad hatter bo peep etc.norman ave junction northcote ave .kids age 6/9,,ages.approx..from.oneill family lived yrs at 142.nortcote ave..rose lil..Charlie.he worked asylum..tom joseph.a son..lived 142 and spikes bridge rd..area there..

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    in photo wearing gold crown ..ive girl..of mrs ive family...pratchett girl in photo..gt costumes 1953 ..well made gt costumes....labour hall have photo of les ive..by woolworths alley labour hall..now health centre..sid bidwell famous council..often there..many many yrs.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    your gt memory of many along there ..........opposite ive .....128 got heard family..heard cornwall...lovely kids street party 1953.photo

  • Re: Bus routes by Carol (Member 10254505) on 26-May-2014
    I went to Havelock Cemetery last week and saw grave of Elizabeth Ives and family. Took photo. Also noticed there is a plaque at the entrance saying "Commonwealth War Graves". Took photos of graves of two Russian Airmen, same as Denis.

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-May-2014
    Look forward to seeing this 1953 Coronation photo Yvonne. I certainly remember the O'Neill family, and the Rose's next door. I wasn't friendly with either of them though. I was more friendly with your relative Mrs Willans. She was always very kind to me when I was visiting Mauvine next door to her, asking me how my mum was. The only thing was that we left Northcote Avenue in 1952.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    yes knew you said 1952...glad emma asked of your mum....emma was motherinlaw to..our family....will try later on..get flickr..all gone hay wire..not to worry will try bit later...glad you knew oneill...142..2 boys oneill.age 7/8 ish ..In photo..one mad hatter costume..

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    glad you knew of rose ...Charlie worked st bernards...then lil...

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    yes carol got photo that plaque they put it up...about 2 yrs ago new.....list of 75 names in google ..with Russian name also...ive family...ives family....2 lots local many yrs.....can see grave if you put in on your flickr carol...thanks...gt stroll well done...1880s onwards mine in there...

  • Re: Bus routes by Carol (Member 10254505) on 26-May-2014
    Yvonne - I added those photos. I also started to put on pages of the Le Grand booklets I have, but the pages all got mixed up. I need to sort them out and add more.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    lovely will look ..gt grand later thanks so kind of you greatly appreciated......Pauline...others by .along houses..were Maureen..les jackman.

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-May-2014
    Yvonne - On the side of Northcote Avenue that Emma lived. The Ive family lived in the beginning of the block, then the O'neill's, Rose's, alleyway, then Willans, Mauvine Stevens, don't know next one, then the Bunces, and the Strange's round the corner in a large house in Spikes Bridge Road. On the other side of the road were the Farrances (they were probably at the start of Carlyle Avenue),the May... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    marvellous .....mayo very large family still local..and farrance local....and 144 granddaughter...........yes some move out some move in...over each decade...they have mortgage purchased them now

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    carol got yours.....just reading study get back.....gt so good kind...so interesting...

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    yes not colin family ive......but the other southall family ives...northyde my family knew ives...pre 1900 and after...mother eliz ives died 79.in 1927..john hubby..and Edward...back to read more of yours carol..hang on....

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    gt booklet lots lovely read ...le grand..mike...mike spoke of le grand...gt work they did and abroad...Greenwich is in the booklet love greenwich days out...central line..so much there gt interests annually Greenwich..lovely flickr you have carol..yes and graves.looks like 1yr old black wood crosses added ...now modern times.russia have info on ancestry on line..cwgc.stones
    .......lost my compute... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    1960 gt booklet of le grand Sutcliffe southall green........northcote ave ..different move in out..number 133..watkins...and near baker....near markwick family and twins barry alan.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2014
    left ..south side..next door to emma....oneill...old alice oneill...1950s60s....and rose..

  • Re: Bus routes by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 26-May-2014
    Pauline almost has the sequence of family names right for the families on the western side of Northcote Avenue, but I think the O'Neill and Rose families both lived at 142, next door to my grandparents Les and Marge Ive. I can't be absolutely certain as I was born in 1953 after Pauline moved away, but I do know that Alice definitely lived at 142 and remember her well. 140 and 142 were semi-detache... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-May-2014
    Colin - I remember that there was an alleyway by the side of your grandparents which gave access to the next door neighbours garden, and an alleyway between the Rose's and Emma Wellans which gave access to the neighbours garden next door to the Rose's. I could be wrong, but I can't for the life of me remember any semi-detatched.

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-May-2014
    I've just had a look on Google, and there is only one house next door to your grandparents which would have made them sem-detached. Emma Wellan's house is a very large house at the side of your grandparents' neighbours with an alley, and I'm pretty sure that was number 144. It just shows how wrong I was. Perhaps the Rose family had moved and the O'Neill's moved in?

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-May-2014
    Just an incident which comes to mind all those years ago during the war. The neighbours to the left of your grandparents were a couple with a young baby. Didn't know their name. One late night the baby had been screaming for a very long time, and the police were contacted. The couple, who were out, eventually returned home very late, only to be nabbed by the police, as they were carrying all thei... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2014
    144 was emma..

  • Re: Bus routes by Carol (Member 10254505) on 27-May-2014
    Anybody interested in Le Grands, I've sorted out pages so they are in order and added some more. Maybe somebody will recognise names. Also, piece about Chris Pearson joining and picture of the Soil Mechanics Laboratory in Southall.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2014
    trevor baylis inventor on tv much..went north rd primary lived lady marg rd went dormers seniors..lives eel pie island many many yrs of music groups fame there...he worked at your soil place 1st job....he went to dormers reunon yr 2000...
    http://www.lifeport.co.uk/trevor-baylis-the-inventors-inventor/

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2014
    carol....amazing work all pages there of le grand..thankyou....wedding bells page..mr baker worked there..trevor baylis worked there straight from dormers school...photo of the lab is gt....thankyou gt firm...1960 booklet

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2014
    carol...gt photos holy trinity weddings 1960..like our family ones there....mattingley we knew....to dave tattam who worked le grand........secretary there jean lewis ..to morgan...

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-May-2014
    Colin, you are quite right in all that you said. My sister phoned me and said Mr O'Neill definitely moved in with Alice Rose and the fsmily.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2014
    todays gazette...Northolt airport raf.queens flight London air ambulance etc...2 yrs now new museum..only operational bttle brit left..polish displys and propeller etc..crash 1942 near Malvern ave Ruislip spitfire....vintage war douglas motorcycle...etc...famous bunker uxbridge restore plotting table..keeping it gt for visitors all yr...
    http://syddean.co.uk/book_memories_of_south_harrow_page-5.html

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-May-2014
    Thank you for that Yvonne. The devastation it caused was horrific, and so well recorded by the young lad during WW2 in 1942. On a lighter note, I can well remember my brother and I doing the same thing, dipping into the precious sugar and mixing it with cocoa powder when my mother was out shopping. Unfortunately for us, she returned much earlier than we expected and we were caught in the act. We h... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-May-2014
    I have read there was also a Hurricane crashed into the grass verge on the Western Ave. nr. Ickenham & also two Spitfires crashed in Hayes all from Northolt there are no doubt more sites in the locality.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    there was the bad chase...machine uns fihter planes heinkel.near Northolt airort...Northolt fighters hurricanes spit...chased him off south....across uxbridge rd .hayes...dawley rd shakespeare rd,,,in google bad damage,,,says the machine gun.shooting could cause more trouble than bomb......Heston airport target.for Nazis...
    usa .raf fighters there.base.....cranford lane ..kerfew..not allowed we... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    memorial huge size hurricane spit long yrs now Northolt airport models huge size with stone plaque ceremonies there near entrance gates west end rd and old gate western ave..oxford cowley was dump ground of einkel.plane all parts crashes ..nash famous artist in google his painting of it sea of wrecks battle Britain etc kent etc areas salvage.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    Epsom crashes in area battle Britain.etc.Hurricane etc...
    http://epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/WW2Aircrashes.html

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    new one found on Northolt ...war.
    http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=244414;article=8174;

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-May-2014
    I have heard there where more civilian casualties from RAF machine guns than Germans guns in the fight over Dormers/Mornington Road area, Germans thought to be heading for Northolt airfeild

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    yes reports from hayes people in google....bad of machine gunning chasing planes .to civilians etc....than ..bomb

  • Re: Bus routes by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-May-2014
    Memtion of the Mornington Road bombing brings back memories! That day I was home for lumch from Dormers Wells school. My mother was in the garden talking to Mrs Pannel from next door. and I was with her. I was aware of aircraft overhead-the Air Raid Warning hadn't gone! Suddenly there was the sound of bombs falling=- we learned later they fell on the Mornington Road area with terrible results.Ne... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    no siren...yes mornington rd 1970s local people those rds still talked of it ....and nearby Ruislip close just west side morningtom road we have photos of houses flattened old pram.etc..rubble...now allotments there many yrs memorial...plaque used to be at fence....my cousin southall born..did observer work..her nephew out in the field..binoculars etc...phoned her ..sightings ..Nazi planes she pas... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    Ruislip and local..war...lots there very good read...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/63/a3946863.shtml

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    everything here ....typed by man who was 4 yr old boy shrapnel wounds till 12 dec septic....he was in st bernards war hospital.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/70/a1951670.shtml

    side roads to Ruislip rd Greenford...13.50pm..lunchtime...30 sept 1940..bombed....and john from Ruislip close whole entire close flattened bombed..we have photos rubble...by Ruislip rd beore Allenby ... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-May-2014
    Was there a bomb near Oldfield Lane Greenford?
    I know there was also a big bomb crater in Castlebar sports field, just on the east side of the station towards Ruislip Road/Gurnell Grove. A big bomb crater in Bridge Avenue Hanwell too, near the Brent

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-May-2014
    About 1957 i met a chap who had lived in Mornington road at the time as a young boy he was shot in the back twice

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-May-2014
    About 1957 i met a chap who had lived in Mornington road at the time as a young boy he was shot in the back twice

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    1957 that's sad denis....keith down by brent ..south side load hay pub deaths bombed photo shows they kept the pub pole winging sign yrs..as memorial...gone now lidl supermkt on site....

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    todays gazette photo spit crash in hse Malvern ave.plane photos woman neighbours spitfire in hse roof etc..1942...Northolt airport plane.....
    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/appeal-second-world-war-memorabilia-7153770

    photo crash large photo in link...Malvern Northolt southharrow Ruislip border...where wicks is...just little north of Northolt tube station...

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    bomb sight in google kew archive town halls records arp etc on line now...free ......
    southall Greenford west ealing hanwell ealing.hayes...heston..Chiswick .etc..udating stories also comments..maps there..

  • Re: Bus routes by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-May-2014
    Thanks

    I knew about The Load of Hay and I remember the old pub sign. My brother showed me a photo of the pub as it was before the war. That photo might be on the "Cuckooites" site, but I understand that has changed and might still not be there now. I also seem to remember and PLEASE correct me that Load of Hay was a flying bomb/rocket whereas all the other bombs were dropped deliberately ... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2014
    parachute bomb text calls it load hay...archive photos text still ..there but site no more..it is hanwell facebook now he is on it ..still lives west coast usa ..started site now he is on fb site comments nostalgia photos..2/3 yrs now..yes have photos of load hay....he lived cuckoo estate like most of the others 10yr site he set up..but died lack of interest..went to fb instead

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2014
    2 large photos load hay.1598 pub...in 6 links here..and dr oates booklet ealing library librarian...parachute bomb as was Perivale bad war deaths king queen came to visit.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=parachute+bomb+load+hay+greenford&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=CMNTDFJS
    in google.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2014
    Pauline yes.......syd items.............several in google booklet etc he wrote before he died..lifetime memories local..read it all 2/3 yrs ago,,in google lots photos..

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2014
    denis you probably remember couple people here.knew of the southall green printers press.. pauline...you are good with recent past index knowhere......have tried but no luck yet.....lady asking of 2 people..has 4 photos...they were all at....north rd press .printers...off king st at Clifton rd.southall............any info of the place or anything.....sure we did it here ..man asking for printers t... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jun-2014
    Yvonne - NORTH ROAD PRESS - THE COTTERS by Mike Hayler 6th August 2011. I hope this helps!

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jun-2014
    Sorry only knew King & Hutchings in the South Road Yvonne cant help

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2014
    Pauline you are marvellous thankyou...yes was that..gt let you know ..get my notes together 4 people of the press so far of printers...big thankyou my dear you are kind...just got back from stroll.canal river fast stream..bit of rapids..sluice water over ..lock..gt barges.... and thames tug he chatted built 1943 engine 1932..it.towed London docks ships.brass and well kept funnel etc...reed bunting... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2014
    thanks Pauline.good of you kind.....2011pritchard he was in newzealand ..man in London.looking up ..records info of the printing firm..another Pritchard is.now asking..so have passed on the later comment there .2013 .they probably did not see that one....

  • Re: Bus routes by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 1-Jun-2014
    In Kingsly Ave there was a yard in which a printer plus others used for their business, just around the corner from North Rd. The printer did print a chance ticket, as well as other printing, I think was called Eustase ticket. Sold to help handicapped clubs and others. This was in the early 1940`s.

  • Re: Bus routes by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 2-Jun-2014
    It was the "Useless Eustace" ticket, a competition based on the cartoon of the same name in the Daily Mirror.

    There is an example, albeit by a different printer, of one here:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/71256895@N00/7394645480/

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2014
    that's gt colin ron.in flickr ticket......mirror was had often at west ave 40s 50s and the daily sketch....sport news world sundays.spot the ball etc........mirror andy cap.and flo cartoon strip.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2014
    denis has been ..tony myself went few yrs ago...bbc tv daily 9.15 am and Friday 6th queen Charles wills kate .beaches with heads state .also at Bayeux british cemetery.....bbc spoke with 2 women age 17/18 working long hrs at hq southwick hse.and vets.kindly speaking to us were at the beaches age 18 or such..humbling.and gratitude to them.70yrs..pegasus bridge gliders.we went to museum there...vete... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jun-2014
    Ron-was that printers near Petriea the chemists?

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2014
    Been twice to Normandy a fantastic experience it should be part of a education for childeren as

  • Re: Bus routes by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2014
    school trip as well as the western front 1914/18

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2014
    that was lucky school trip...was good 9.15 am bbc 1 today daily...interesting

  • Re: Bus routes by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 2-Jun-2014
    @ Colin

    Are you sure Useless Eustace was Daily Mirror? I thought it was Daily Sketch, and I remember other newspaper titles now mostly forgotten such as News Chronicle, Sunday Graphic, Reynolds News. Most people got "John Bull" every week too

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2014
    yes mirror lots of the images in google..
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Daily-Mirror-Useless-Eustace-Cartoon-Book-1940s-By-Jack-Greenall-Cartoonist-/131038069423

  • Re: Bus routes by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 2-Jun-2014
    Michael the yard was very large with a lot of garages and separate building for the printer. It may of been a annex for the main printer. There also was a green grocer with a horse and cart which I remember seeing in the area.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2014
    wonderful to think of horse cart etc ..ron...smithy nearby..horse shoes...best wishes to you and family...

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2014
    just got the 7june 1944 mirror Eustace on back page one square breakfast in bed baby....but page of cartoons strips garth ...popeye etc...jane......one penny 8 pages....we hold the beach head...........what the hun said..80mls fighting....advert mars..lilley skinner...colman mustard toilet soap..huge centre spread huge faces monty eisenhower Churchill...live letters...gt armada..300 sq mls soldier... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jun-2014
    newspaper 1938......30 aug..school term primary starts Tuesday sept....new north southall housing estates now 1938..100 parents complain..kids walk 1 and half miles to tudor rd primary next week ...complain so keep kids home.protest....they want new opened £40000 lady marg primary half mile walk....3 schools on strike..north rd tudor rd .lady marg......evelyn gardens cranleigh gdns parents 1938...

  • Re: Bus routes by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 7-Jun-2014
    This should be a new subject, but not sure how to start it off.
    So I have seen that Cleo Laine grew up in Southall.
    And thinking back I,m sure my dad said he lodged at her parent place when he moved to Southall before WW2.
    Can anyone tell me if that is true, and if so where was their lodging house.

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2014
    cleo as kid lived Clarence st .went featherston school...think she moved local later....new thread is scroll..to bottom..of the page ..right to bottom..click word there thread...gt to here of yours and cleo

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2014
    clementine Dinah bullock birth..28 oct 1927.dad alex Campbell..mum Minnie bullock not married at her birth..she took name campbell at school feathers primary southall green...seniors she went to mellow lane hayes ..labourer father they moved about....she did hairdressing...sing lessons..married twice..,,,kates mum carole family from Clarence st 1900yr onwards carole born 1955 there Dudley rd moved... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2014
    I remember Cleo Laine and her brother when I lived in Northcote Avenue. It must have been in the 1940's when I used to see them. They were usually coming out of Beechcroft Avenue, which was on the opposite side of the road to us in Southall broadway. They were always dressed in school uniform and looked very smart. We noticed them more because they were the only black children living around there at the time.

  • Re: Bus routes by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 7-Jun-2014
    In her autobiography Cleo says the following:

    "At Featherstone Road they (her parents) started a boarding house which roomed and fed mostly Irish labourers, single men and women and families. It must have been successful because they soon rented the house next door."

    She later gives the address as 8 Feathersto... more >>

  • Re: Bus routes by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 7-Jun-2014
    By the time she was 13 Cleo's parents had separated and she was living with her mother at 48 Orchard Avenue, she talks about attending Lady Margaret School, but I think this was actually Dormers Wells as my late mother Joyce Ive always said she was in the same class as Cleo (they were both born in 1927).

  • Re: Bus routes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jun-2014
    lodging houses Hounslow...and Featherstone rd irish labourers 1913 etc yrs 1927 yrs....lots took in lodger help pay rent..1800s 1900s common...massive growth labourers coming in for work...spread travelling in..lodgings houses lodgers etc..so common all kids went in one bed..try get room for lodger etc..on census image forms filled in by them..

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Is there a better way? by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 16-May-2014
Is there a better way to get to the latest comment on our current topic, other than hitting the 'page down' key 24 times?   
  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    don't know

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-May-2014
    I agree with you Fred this latest thread of ours is getting a bit too long. I use the down arrow, but I think the best thing is to stay on the thread you have now opened. Nice to hear from you!

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-May-2014
    Hi Colin. I've only just seen your entry on 25th April at the very end of "Charles Gayford Vernon" thread about an addition to your Southall Miscellaney entitled "Harefield at that time of day". I haven't read all of it yet, but the old photos are wonderful. Thank you so much.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    it is nice...several of us our family parts originate harefield...gdads mum .and his two great grans..canal..village harefield...1917 Australia many amputees there became heart hospital...cwgc graves st mary there..tended so well australia

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    the bronze hare and Australia map globe at the green where Australian soldiers from hospital took the air 1917/9 yrs..with village Edwardian clothed villagers....
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/55935853@N00/3364264268/in/photostream/

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/14360/Harefield-Village-Green

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    http://www.londongardensonline.org.uk/gardens-online-record.asp?ID=HIL023

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    lots aec photos google machine shop men..design dept staff etc...and general links..goggle aec southall.....lovely huge size fish 2014 aec club millpond Greenford rd many many yrs..gt photos..private fishing council leased to aec.owns..
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=aec+southall&qpvt=aec+southall&FORM=IGRE&id=CCF783EB7231471770791715C8B765A675883789&selectedIndex=0#view=detail&id=CCF783EB72... more >>

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    carol......worked out date for one of your photos..but other s...some..not guess at
    date....playhouse cinema Greenford went by 1940ish..opposite and east of redlon pub...film on.polly of the circus leslie howard and marion davies..1932.....says full supporting program....davies silent screen star retired before 1940..comedy and musicals..photo old 1930s cars.quiet Greenford before huge built up ... more >>

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 16-May-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. I can remember my sister taking me to the Playhouse in Greenford to see a 3D film. We were given those cardboard glasses. I couldn't have been very old. When I was 16 I worked at Honeywell Controls which was on the other side of the road to where the Playhouse used to be. Don't know what building is there now.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 16-May-2014
    Loved the film about Hayes and Hardlington, especially the Hayes fete in the rain? Men building - no health and safety in those days.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2014
    yes gt 1956 film...yes went to Granada Greenford 1960 film...yes offices opposite many yrs changed hands but work along there.....famous sherry funeral .many many yrs there..

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-May-2014
    Carol the building you mention Honeywell Controls has gone i think it is now housing.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Carol (Member 10254505) on 17-May-2014
    Thanks Denis. I think it was quite a new modern building when I went to work there.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-May-2014
    I think it was built about 1956/7

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-May-2014
    1961 name change etc..links in google..............often wait e1 e2 e3 buses along there..busy queues of people daily......traffic up the hill to traffic lights Lloyds bank corner gone now..opposite gone red lion.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=honeywell+controls+greenford&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=CMNTDFJS

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-May-2014
    I remember a second hand car dealer on the Honeywell site before it was built

  • Re: Is there a better way? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-May-2014
    I remember the Playhouse being open into the mid 1950s but it went before the Granada did, and the 55/97/211 bus crews hated getting to the stop directly outside as the "last house" tipped out onto the pavement. . . Yes there was a car dealer there and the name Howard Meacham rings a bell with me but might be wrong

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    thanks keith yes....playhse closed big circus 12 sep 1959 with vic mature......load hay pub
    war bombed deaths.photo can see they kept the swinging name tall pole pub sign as repect.......along near Greenford hanwell bridge south side..........but now lidl supermarket there now.....

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    Greenford hall opened 1966 by dame edith evans ...still going strong panto.....events etc...had some attention to it nicely.to keep nice....
    playhse....http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/29845

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-May-2014
    Thanks Keith i thought there was a car dealer there

  • Re: Is there a better way? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-May-2014
    Denis,
    There definitely was, but it's only the name I cannot be certain of. There was definitely a car dealer in the area by the name of Howard Meacham, but I'm not certain of the name as there was another one just slightly down the hill of Southall Bus GArage, and THAT one just MIGHT have been Howard Meacham. But I know we are right that there was one, plus one more up near Greenford County ... more >>

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    meacham we bought couple cars from and had serviced etc....there many yrs gone now....west side top lady Margaret rd ...along near from Greenford grammar up near Ruislip rd...with was taylor Woodrow behind Meacham...1970s yrs 1980..we used

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    Meacham today wembley ealing...etc..in google
    http://www.measham-selfdrive.co.uk/

  • Re: Is there a better way? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-May-2014
    AH!!! So it was Measham not Meacham. I have found him and he is still alive, running a charity, and this is what it says about him on the charity (WellAid)website..........
    “My name is Howard Measham I first started working for myself in Greenford when I was 17 years of age I earned very little money and when I was twenty (I am now in my 80s) I went to work for a very well known Garage propr... more >>

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    very grateful keith..google is gt.....glad we used them many yrs..spare parts etc... esso petrol garage opposite..17 yrs old 80yrs old..marvellous gt memories keith denis and tony and myself....was shocked when it had gone there many yrs.....name in use today locally...

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-May-2014
    Meachams garage i am certain was called Elbornes garage in the 1940/50 dad used to got his petrol there, there was another car dealer on the corner of the long block of shops & flats on grammar school side called Moorland Motors about the same period.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-May-2014
    PS Meachams/Elbornes garage now Tescos

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 20-May-2014
    I used to go with my dad to buy petrol from Elbournes garage, Shellmex at the price of 4/6 a gallon. Oh happy days. You could also get a puncture repaired there in those days. All you will get at a petrol station to day is milk, papers etc.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-May-2014
    When i started driving in 1962 petrol was if i remember was 2/11d a gallon, it would be even cheaper in the 1950 when dad used to go to Elbournes

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2014
    yes good price petrol 70s loads gifts on petrol..gave away items gifts or..greenshield stamps....esso many yrs east side top lady marg rd..by Greenford grammar.west side goes into was taylor wood row tall hq office block.area.......baby mallards coots .nest swans along..by.canal.......lots canals lots countryside life now...

  • Re: Is there a better way? by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-May-2014
    It used to be "Free glass with every 4 gallons"..... Now, in Scotland there is "Free Scotland!!" in graffiti on lots of the walls there, and on the big devolution posters. Some wag has painted "with every 4 gallons" on some of the posters

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 20-May-2014
    Dennis you are right, about petrol costs. When I put the normal 4 gallons in on the way home from work in the late 60,s it came to a pound, so Dad must have paid approx 2/6 for Shellmex back in those heady days.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-May-2014
    That would be about right tom, nice one Keith.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 21-May-2014
    A pal of mine was related to the Meachams's.
    I always remember his wedding in the 60's, as he got two hoovers as a wedding present from them.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-May-2014
    lovely

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-May-2014
    mr Thompson did you see my comment.....mr dance is on my photo of .Featherstone rd scholars 1st war death memorial with soldier on top...even though he is not on st john wood board names........southall large memorial statue now in western rd west side down behind fence .by brent rd by junction pub by canal...by 105 bus stop,,,

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 24-May-2014
    I remember petrol at the White Swan Garage 1963
    4/2p a gallon and was leaded, causing you to have engine decoked every 10 to 15000 miles

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2014
    1963 .dad had scooter then..managed to get car few yrs later..leaded petrol gt we have unleaded now

  • Re: Is there a better way? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 28-May-2014
    Yes Yvonne saw the Featherstone Memorial.
    Have since traced George "Ruffy" Rowbottom's Military Records. he was in the Royal Fusiliers.
    The family are now all carrying out further research on our family tree, which on my first wife's side goes back to the Earl of Sussex CIR 1600.
    My Father in Law Eric Sussex played bowls for Middlesex and ran a Fireplace manufacturing company in Hanwell. I thi... more >>

  • Re: Is there a better way? by thompson (Member 10241148) on 28-May-2014
    I can remember paying £1.00 for Four gallons of petrol in 1960. I brought with dad a 1956 Vauxhall Velox , coloured white, when all else were mostly black. Dad got it from his boss Sid Brand, scrap metal dealer and road haulage contractor whose yard was at Norwood Gree.

  • Re: Is there a better way? by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Jun-2014
    I remember buying a Vauxhall Victor from Peter Hinton Motors, which was near Hanwell bus garage in 1964, he also had a showroom opposite the Manor House.

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Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 20-Apr-2014
Pathe News have placed their archive of films on Youtube, I have found these of Southall interest:

The swimming pool in the Rec in 1961:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-7... more >>
  
  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Apr-2014
    lovely thanks

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Apr-2014
    happy 88 birth queen ..midday boom 41 gun salute London..sounds across west middx...
    video google telegraph of queen Windsor easter sunday church.in google
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/gun-salutes-mark-queens-birthday-021722020.html#f2Pc01H

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 21-Apr-2014
    Thanks Colin. Particularly like the one about Southall Swimming Pool.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Apr-2014
    Just got back from Southall taken pics of the post office, Kings hall will post them on my Flicker site.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Apr-2014
    gt will look denis

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Apr-2014
    cranleigh..
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/southall3052010/with/4595884724/

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 22-Apr-2014
    I too particularly liked the swimming pool film. I recognised two of the instructors, Margaret Bridges teaching exercises in the rec and Roy Rowbottom teaching swimming in the pool, both my contemporaries at Southall Grammar School.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    roy of rowbottom Thompson family southall dolly relative of theirs..did gt deal st swim club..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Pictures are up on Flicker, does anyone know anything about 2 Russian soldiers who died 1917 in graves side by side in Havelock Road cemetery pics on Flicker, d.sexton428

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Apr-2014
    Thank you Denis for your photos of the Post Office and King's Hall on your Flicker, but what a sad sight that wonderful buiding of the Post Office is now to the very busy, thriving one we all knew in our childhood at Southall. Fortunately, we have our own memories and photos on Southallboard.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    denis...white commonwealth war graves stones...info would be 1917 on their site in google..for Havelock...109 or more graves Havelock..119 at Heston church graveyard...white war stones.....will look..428 flickr.thanks.will look...did yesterday but look again.gt gt

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    denis......novikov..behind.white stone..info be at google free,,,site cwg....maidenhead huge offices there many yrs......southall famous hospitals 1917..amputees famous training add limbs artificial..harefield and southall..1917 yrs...wounded some died....huge graves harefield by church..war from hospital....1917 yrs........so some wounded tried but died...so havelock cemetery..1st war 2nd war....... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Yvonne did Heston church cemetery yesterday a good number of R.A.F C.W in there, thanks Yvonne.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Apr-2014
    Forgot to say how good the photo you took yesterday of Top Locks was Denis. A nice sunny picture! Thanks again.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    yes lock gt.denis...8 yrs ago we did long walk along hanwell flight locks gt...........5 visits huge hours trudge.hours to Heston churchyard...found 5 mine family.......saw all rows white stones yes often airforce Heston airport ..and Hounslow barracks came under Heston parish...huge parish Isleworth included etc.....in history........censuses huge 100s long lists in.famous beaver hounslow.barrac... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    photo might be cadet ..mr ..v .smirnov..our war grave stone records free on line Russian star..cwg...cadet..4 may 1917 burial......gt top lock...all along both sides..east west.also..lots new houses flats pictures in google...selling them etc....gt sunny photo...denis..so lovely...2 gates..often they repair new oak wood...look gt.denis........prunela scales tv ..2 weeks ago was gt...lifetime barge... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Thank you Pauline glad you like, yes weather really nice at Top Locks real spring. The Post office has still got the original front doors on, for now.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    they said...adapt post office..new offices rent..think they try preserve some of ..it...strong brick building....just adapt......gt photos denis...grateful..lovely sun.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 22-Apr-2014
    Graves - they are Andrew M. Novikov born 1893 and George V Smirnov born 1898.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    I missed that on the Hanwell lock with the Wests on there barge thats a shame seen all the rests

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Thank you Carol.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    was so very good west...several episodes ..will repeat...thanks carol...gt......denis...concrete fire range .aerial photo 1948 southall home guard....south of quakers factory ...open lands ...behind hortus cemetery...east side...open lands...kids played..fishing.going... 1948 as look towards top lock....same type o fire range concrete shape.....in photo...there..back of field area in corner...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Thanks Yvonne hope they run repeats try to ketch them next time, i tried to get on to the Quaker Oats arm of the canal yesterday but could not find a path to it, the last time i was on that branch if the canal was 1955.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    may be ..homes barges along that narrow quite close in long branch dock of canal...going north...near quaker....was called maypole dock..when marg factory...all needs coming up canal into the factory from Brentford branch and thames......photos of it look quite closed in..defo.homes barges live along it...many yrs now.....top lock looks grand snny...many lock keepers cottages old poor ones been r... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Apr-2014
    Andrew (A M) Novikov seems to appear in the names listed on this page, there is a connection to the RFC so wonder if he was based at Heston.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Apr-2014
    Correction to that can't have been Heston as it didn't exist in WW1.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 22-Apr-2014
    Yes, thank you Denis for all the photos.

    We all have our memories of Southall but it is great to see up to date pictures of familiar places even if they have changed.

    I agree with Pauline the picture of Top Locks is very good. I was also looking at your 'back catalogue' as the current generation call it and the pictures of the AEC buses in the museum are particularly good, just so red & sh... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    ok colin good try...those trains came full of 1st war wounded ..many amputees etc..harefield and southall hospitals dealt with loads 1917....cadet one Russian called...age 19/21 yrs two.......Heston many from there st leonards church yard 119 stones cwg.lots with wings emblems 5 visits I did..2nd war ones.etc.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    colin...1st war rfc ..Northolt airport.yrs.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps
    hospital wounded harefeld and southall....cadet one name is.of.....2 buried next to each other 1917 death.ish

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    some Russians served western front..wounded and prisoners of war...1st war...http://clevelode-battletours.com/the-first-world-war/russia-in-ww1/

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Your are right Colin Heston aerodrome did not exist in WW1, Yvonne i think you could be right, the Russians threw the towel in 1917 due to the revolution but the grave stones carry the communist star seems they could have be captured injured and bought to Southall where they died & were buried in Havelock cemetery. there is also t... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Apr-2014
    Colin the red bus is the first AEC Regent double deck bus built at Southall in 1939 this is the model of bus we all grew up with in the 1950/60 later to be replaced by the Routemaster

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    yes says cadet.on stone...cadet corps.in.Russia civil war..german attack etc...1917...says some Russians at western front 1916/7......trains full of very badly wounded coming in..loads to huge Southampton hospital and cemetery ..London trains gwr for southall 3 hospitals ...and harefield.ops..hosp......rfc Northolt airport 1st war...young 19.../21..your 2///bet like ours sort of kings shilling he... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Apr-2014
    says one cemetery france 1000 Russian war graves 1917,,
    http://www.greatwar.co.uk/research/military-records/ww1-war-dead-records.htm

    tended by the french

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    Found out this about Andrew Mathviavitch Novikov born 8th July 1893 in Orel,Russia. He was a Cadet in the Russian Flying Corps. An Aviator Certificate was issued on 10th June 1917 by the Great Britain Royal Aero Club at the Military School in Ruislip. He took the test in a Maurice Farman Biplane.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    Variation of spelling of his name - Andrei Matveyevich Novikov. He died 25th September 1917. On website Find a Grave.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    Cadet Georgy Vladimirovich Smirnov died 4th May 1917. I wonder why these 2 Russian Cadets are not listed on the CWGC site.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Apr-2014
    Thank you Carol very interesting as you say seems strange will have a look elsewhere.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Apr-2014
    I wonder if Ruislip was the original name for Northolt airfield

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 23-Apr-2014
    I have seen the swimming club footage before, it was interesting, because in January Margaret Bridges and Sue Matthews, Roy Rowbottom's first wife attended Roy's fathers funeral. We were able to talk about the old times at the club. Mum Doll Thompson was mentioned many times. There is a a forum on Friends Reunited reference the club.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    lots people love seeing s rec pool film photos.and rowbottom Thompson..people .memories..training there club..50s etc yrs..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 23-Apr-2014
    I do not know if anybody can help. I am trying to find out if my grandmothers first husband, Lieutenant John (Jack) Henry Dance, has his name on the Southall War Memorial? He was killed in WW1, but I do not know which regiment he was in or where killed or even if he has a grave.
    I only remember seeing the telegram informing of his death which had a black boarder, unfortunately this has been lost... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    gt work carl gt.....yes cwg..ask let know their stone not online...they add it....carved by them with Russian star 1917 southall...3 wounded hospitals southall....1917......gt Ruislip.middx....west end rd south Ruislip.....west side is the 1912 ..air of ..very first flights there...very historic age..in google history of Northolt airport.....Northolt rail station was near.later called south Ruisli... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    Thompson.....john henry dance is there on free...index...ancestry military war dead...........in google.....cwg.maidenhead..would have grave country ..cemetery...online free.index.info..photo cemetery...site in google........we had telegram like that 1917 nans brother blown to bits arras....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=39&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-39&gsfn=john+henry&gsln=dance&msddy=1917&msrpn__ftp=southall+middlesex+england&_83004002=english&sbo=0&uidh=000

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    carol...denis yes club 1916 on yrs Ruislip......of Northolt airport fly field.south Ruislip....1912 started there.......zsar of king George 5th ..gt cousins 1916....Russian s come across .pre death of zsar..
    http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1916/1916%20-%200059.PDF

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Apr-2014
    A party of 40 Russian air cadets arrived at Northolt June 1917 it is recorded that at least one cadet was killed in training. At the same time a group of American cadets were at Nothholt training, the aircraft could possibly be Avro 504. A possible reason the two Russians are not mentioned on C.W. grave it that Russia was not part of ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    fly sch Ruislip..of today Northolt air ground....

    cadet young..19 etc yrs...few mths think...me thinks...1917..wounds local training or..... across to france wounds..back to local hosp.southall and grave..june 1917 fly cadet.death 25 sept 1917 ..cadet young..
    http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/1916_Aviators_Certificates_-_UK

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    gt denis one killed .one might died later of wounds.....Russia yes......1917 ..empire etc.....changes etc........but today cwg..do add to their site.records online..carved stones that crop up....40 cadets gt..info denis.........museum at Northolt opened yr ago doing polish 2nd war as yet...adding to it...gt friends pre 1916 zsar and George 5th..russia..back then..training..russia cadet fly corp.4... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    may 1917 film of russian cadet air sch reading....loads coming across for zsar.plane.training.

    http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675026045_Russian-air-cadets_hold-a-wing_wireless-telegraphy_read-map

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    your family could send email to cwg....for cemetery..query......only one found..dance...names ...henry ...john....1st war somme..thiepval cemetery.

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1

    record index free ..in google..online....cwg..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    ealing library dr oates...has list all names war dead southall...booklet...........memorial no names carved by manor hse....Featherstone boys school names carved ..st john holy trinity churches names on church boards..parish war dead..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    only one....died 5 mar 1917.,.somme...thiepval.cemetery..24 yrs old...index..free in google..if index or name carved in france...slight diff ...name......index typist put .....dance...henry...jack......cwg site...

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=3

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    free index in google...genes reunited war death service section....1917 died..number 10225 .of princess charlotte royal berks regiment...enlisted Hounslow......ours of southall and Heston northhyde enlisted Hounslow barracks huge place..main barracks.army..1st war.....index has name typed as ...john henry dance...
    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=armed%20forces%20utf00... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Apr-2014
    I realise this is probably a stupid question to ask, but when I read that Russia withdrew from WW1 in 1917, I wondered if the relatives of those two young Russian pilots buried in Havelock Road cemetery were told where they were buried?

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    John Henry Dance died 5th March 1917 France & Flanders. He was a Sergeant in Princess Charlotte of Wales (Royal Berkshire Regiment) 2nd Battalion. Killed in Action.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    1917 sept Russia in turmoil...zsar at one time gets murdered..somme..arras 1917..and Germany was strong thank goodness for nov armistice 1918..millions dead...40 Russians denis.ruislip ...reading had load also .planes may june 1917....training..age 19/22...1920 before cwg...could do ..start try all they did..run today by charity...loads charity money collected carved names on some war memorials l... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    just come in from mowing lawn .ha

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    gt carol your info....got one record said france.posted here for him....of...march.1917..... .mine was april1917 april...arras massive died battle ...more died than somme..cwg letter to me said.just one lot was 40000.died.at my nans brother cemetery nearly all on concrete high names only .plinth....dance. .sergeant they had different titles things got changed during service...kind work of yours carol....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    John Henry Dance - as Yvonne says wrong name on CWGC site. There is a facility to amend records that are wrong. You can send for a photo of his name on the memorial at Theipval. Hopefully, that has his correct name on it.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    mr Thompson....gave you army soldier number as well........enlist ..etc...so ancestry shows his medal card...like all the others served..under his name there ancestry death...and under medal card...image shows his details there.at medal card...online.site..and..from kew archive....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    yes often just swop around first name....took me so long find my southall green one....index very badly typed spelt surname.badly wrong...and first names ...cwg...and ancestry can be........but gt found it at last...took very long time...census image if you see handwriting 1911 etc yrs..wow.damp and smudged hard to read...for censusman...or back at offices to .copy record type index...hard....rece... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Apr-2014
    Yes,I do realise the chaos in WW1 Yvonne. My father and my grandfather served in it, but fortunately came back. My father lost one of his brothers who didn't return. When I lived in Langley two Polish neighbours who had been airmen stayed in this country after WW2 and married British girls and had families. As you say, world wars change everything.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    yes they lived through 2 world wars...managed suffered somehow...good people.poor times also.....just done 2nd mow ...2 more bits to do out there...lawn garden loads..ha..2 of ours came back from somme..ok.2 quiet rural men labourers......but one of them buzz bomb killed off his bike 1944 Heston..Kaiser did not get him hitler did...Heston fighters spits etc airport etc...gt west rd runway see fro... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 23-Apr-2014
    Carol I think we are referring to the same person, he was a lance corporal when he married Flo on the 22nd May 1915, and the telegram of his death had him ad lieutenant, not as sergeant. Thanks for the info as we still can not find if he has a known grave.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    just thought 2 black wood crosses in Russian in front might have been put there in later times....in modern times.by Russians or via them...........cwg..charity...have put on gate post entry cemeteries how many white stone that they carved cwg,,there ..112 or so it says on gate..Havelock..put there only couple yrs ago....modern times...cwg and the number.at Havelock..some at hortus too..........s... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    cwg ...says name at cemetery they will tell you if grave ..like few or like loads thiepval somme...just name ..high plinth.........cwg ..know will tell you...glad you liked our work.......yes says sergeant at record .death cemetery record.cwg....one of ours 1917 was same...change rank ...at times during war.....telegr uk had that....cwg ..let them know.....cwg.their index..is not always easy let ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    mr Thompson.....they will send you photo of ..if grave stone....or photo name on plinth....ask cwg.waiting list...but they sent me nice photos.several..4 yrs ago....arras...of mine.only name on huge list carved at plinth.like most of them and photos of whole thing also of cemetery

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 23-Apr-2014
    Yes - you can make corrections but have to provide evidence I think. If he had a known grave I imagine that would have been recorded - so many never had proper burials or graves and only record is their name on a memorial.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Apr-2014
    Carol is correct you can have names amended on the CWGC database, but you have to provide proof. My father did this for his brother Leslie Victor Harris, who was lost in the North Atlantic in 1941, after we discovered the CWGC had his name and age wrong. From memory I think we had to provide a copy of Les's birth certificate and a covering letter stating that my father was his next-of-kin. This wa... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Apr-2014
    I have checked the lists of names I have of the WW1 war dead commemorated in Holy Trinity and St John's churches and the name Dance does not appear in either of them.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    charity run I think.many yrs...hard work for them.....gt people cwg...takes a while but france dept cwg did the photos..so grateful...yes said near kin next kin.....while ago it was still free.........yes expect lots proof.for changes.additions..certificates to buy would mount up for cost..proof.and say near kin next kin that you are..and their forms to fill in will say all proof needed..of ever... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    1915 he married as 1st husband....enlist thought it said Hounslow.enlisted there.......so parish church ..he came under...mr Thompson..if he knows..1916/17......the family ..next kin.left behind their parish church.living..they would tell the vicar.to add their loved ones name..1t war 2nd war...parish church.of his .......ealing library...Hounslow library ..uxbridge library...for war dead .boroughs town s lists...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Apr-2014
    The John Henry Dance that Carol found had a home address of 15 Regina Road, Southall and his widow's name is given as Mrs F. Dance of that address on his Medal Index Card, her name is recorded because she applied for his medals in April 1919. The card provides the information that he first arrived in France on 6th November 1914 and only shows him as holding the ranks of Private and Sergeant; the r... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Apr-2014
    The reference to Hounslow as a place of enlistment does not indicate that this is where John Dance lived, Hounslow Barracks were the place of enlistment for many Southall men.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    yes ours went there huge Hounslow fame barracks northyde ......parish Heston was their church use...parish

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    gdad lived common southall canal by northyde enlist paper says king st.he enlisted..at the enlisting .office..........hounslow barracks down south a bit barracks fuselliers often..was the main barracks ...so many hundreds there on..all the censuses....massive list...men..parish of Hestonit under..........if family next kin told their parish vicar add name several have said ..not name on it.....sev... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    very interesting colin...just got chance read........yes rank..read ..differs of men.through war.had read about that.thanks....16 nov 1914....apr 1919 she applied... medal as card.ancestry online....I like those ancestry cards images they are interesting....mrs flo dance..15 regina rd...so usually st john...but if names on board if vicar etc was not told .many say name not on there.....1915 marria... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    that link..TODAY...I sent you said...no body no grave....said..name carved on pier AND FACE of memorial..11 D.......IF YOU SEE LINK ...CWGC..SITE FREE INDEX IN GOOGLE ..sergeant...somme thiepval...cemetery huge memorial stone photos ..in google...famous.thiepval architecture memorial high stone on hill.......
    .ALSO mine..LIKE MOST MANY no body ..no grave so memorial name in long list bay 3..of c... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    sent you the cwgc...link says age 24..regiment berks.royal..1917.soldier number 10225...henry.....jack...dance...1917 5 march..name with list names carved on memorial..no grave ..the memorial name carved instead..like most were .no grave........of huge high memorial stone...link sent you says..name..pier location.and face is the location code...number 11D...section...

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-w... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    11 D .of mr dance....is in google ..you your family can see...all in google site ..online...
    http://battlefields1418.50megs.com/thiepval.plan.JPG
    4 D section has 667 names listed

    lots of sections called piers and panels..huge stone tall memorial..so well known..
    in link .photos dia... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Apr-2014
    bottom of the page ...r for royal Berkshire reg...in list...11D section has list of 981 names.....with dance in list.carved names on memorial stone
    http://battlefields1418.50megs.com/thiepval_memorial.htm
    midnight bed now...been really bad busy day..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Yvonne - Jack Dance - there is also a dispute over his service number. On his medal card they have 10225 and 10235. On the CWGC site they have his father named as Alfred Dance as well.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    carol...could be some of the reasons..young widow age less than 24 ish...might not have let st john know ..or in her grief if not know that st john was have board engraved for church ..long list names there.......yes records are miracle really that so much is so well done in adversity....but thanks yes number etc...I like those medal card images..1919 she applied..gave details....any mistakes in ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    ancestry the enlist etc..sheets of my gdad southall...has his soldier number on.....so dance paper clerk ancestry would have number.....as yu say medal card number 3 ..seen instead of 2....widow.who ever after war ..medal card 1919 ..seems slip up...in the 3 or 2.......but enlist paper by army clerk in ancestry image ..says Hounslow...or if southall...clerk handwriteen image page of all dance deta... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    My uncle, William John Feast died 9 May 1915 aged 21 and has no known grave. His name is on the Le Touret Memorial and I also sent for a photograph of his name on that memorial. His medal card just said presumed dead. His name is also on the memorial plaque in St Johns. He enrolled in Hounslow as obviously so many did from Southall. War diaries are now online and I sent for these relating to ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    carol....looks like.his dad alfred dance..on 1911 census local....uxb reg areas of southall..age 41.born 1870.....and Heston northyde by canal by regina rd...census areas of Brentford.reg dist.....born 1877 age 34 alf dance...jack 24 death born approx..1893..... marriage flo 1915 cert .would say jacks dad on it..
    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=censusutf002c%20land%2... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    so interesting carol...gt work by.you...glad daries...last week bbc tv read some out....very interesting the real thing from the front line.....the ancestry image pages of returned wounded.details.injuries.and mental.hospital..pension etc..read several yr ago sad.....majority names huge plinth...no grave..amazing that such horrendous job to get bodies.mud etc..hard slog they managed what they cou... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    1911 he may be working ..away...john...jack...henry.sorting of .names..dance .seems 1911 he is at reading.berks reg dist areas census st mary parish..age 18.born 1893...died age 24 1917 married flo 1915....1914 war..enlist yrs..war...Hounslow enlist.barracks.huge historic. massive for all.areas

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=censusutf002c%20land%20utf0026%20surveys&collection=census&datasetname=1911%20census%20for%20england%20utf0026%20wales&firstname=john&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dance&birthyear=1893&birthyear_offset=5®ion=great%20britain&page=0

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    Florence milsom marries john henry dance .uxbridge reg dist areas..for southall etc...1915..record.
    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=birthsutf002c%20marriages%20utf0026%20deaths&collection=marriages%20utf0026%20divorces&firstname=florence&firstname_variants=true&lastname=milsom&birthyear=1893&birthyear_offset=5®ion=great%20britain&keyword=uxbridge

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    mr Thompson..lots of people doing your family tree work...southall....in link......charles dance b 1910 southall ..frances doing tree........edith dance b 1903 southall ..Robert doing tree work...fred dance 1900b ..southall...kevin doing genealogy work...and several others.doing work on yours.mr Thompson......

    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/dance?memberkey=0&yearofbirth=1893&yearof... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Apr-2014
    Carol-by some strange coincidence my father's youngest brother,Arthur Sidney, was killed at Ypres 1915. His name is on the Menin Gate memorial

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    we went to menin gate few yrs ago.one of the biggest lists names...and down into yres..wipers..read the wipers newspapers they did..were interesting..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Michael - ref William John Feast who died in 1915. I worked out from the date he died and the regiment and batallion he was in that he must have died at what they call "The Battle of Aubers Ridge" which seems to have been one of the forgotten battles of WW1. From reading the War Diaries for that day I think he was probably machine gunned down along with many others.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Yvonne - In the 1911 census I think John Dance was at Aldershot Barracks.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Kings Royal Rifle Brigade, 2nd Battn
    War Diary - 9th May 1915

    A lovely clear day and much cooler. The Battn had teas at 1.30 am and then rested till 5 am, when a heavy bombardment of the enemy’s lines commenced. The orders to the Battn were to follow the 2/Northamptonshire Regiment and, on reaching the German trenches, to secure the right hand by clearing the trenches for a distance of ab... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Casualties from this one batallion
    Officers - 4 killed, 5 wounded, 2 missing
    NCO's & Men - 42 killed, 118 wounded, 80 missing.

    William John Feast - one of the 80 missing

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    carol...thanks Aldershot hamps.18yrs old..1911 yes..army..then that's why 1914..year... he went war.and promotions..rank....experience..........gt work on feast...so good for you your family...very interesting read....gt job..you are genius..well done...will read it again...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    carol...you may have been to London imp war museum.....trenches etc,..in there....so much 1st 2 nd war....films...library..artists paintings..etc..been several times.........went to tank museum..west side of poole... 1st tank..etc...1st war..all there ..german 2nd war tiger tan k etc...so much whole day out reinact over mounds drive tanks etc..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Apr-2014
    Yvonne - no I haven't been to the Imperial War Museum but will do it one day. Family history - lots of people doing it as you say - but I don't see the point in just collecting names. They were real people and there is a story behind all of them. I like to find out as much as possible about them. William Feast was my mum's brother and he died before she was even born so didn't even know him. ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    yes several 14...after Victorian times all yrs...around...big families often some of ours were..about 10..many lost 2 babies...Heston northhyde.....yes lucky met ..few 1970 age 96 ..87....could them before lost cat...so yes ..my hubby knows 1970 onwards lma..London..etc..have been feeling lives of them all many yrs...know quite bit...jigsaw..etc.church bks ..census..etc..2 bibles..army books in be... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Apr-2014
    yes many yrs craze now..home compute..many of us serious....but high percentage all over world etc..nagging busy council depts. for date only pages.trudge through over 100yrs bks..staff wages to pay..and do their gt grandkids.to inheret trees.names dates.really..feel it ...percentage do but...yes do go war museum London.been dozen times so much there.....sticky keyboard..meant to type that luck sa... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 25-Apr-2014
    I am still researching my grandfather who was in the second battle of Ypres in 1915. I have his diay from March to September 1915. It lists some friends who were killed and buried but who are now listed as grave unknown on the Menin gate. I have gone from pencil written names that I could not decipher to having their obituaries and full photographic portraits.I am trying to follow up all reference... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 25-Apr-2014
    I am still researching my grandfather who was in the second battle of Ypres in 1915. I have his diary from March to September 1915. It lists some friends who were killed and buried but who are now listed as grave unknown on the Menin gate. I have gone from pencil written names that I could not decipher to having their obituaries and full photographic portraits.I am trying to follow up all referenc... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Apr-2014
    yes nice feathers memorial newly put by fence by bus stop..photos are..stone soldier on top lucky names...legible....1920..tall stone with gas holder view behind...names carved of school...war..men....sad bronze stolen but today and yrs back..lots metal stealing....good luck your work///...feathers memorial western rd by junction pub west side by brent rd..new primary school few yrs now...memoria... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Apr-2014
    memorial stone high tall.white.nice size all names just top small bit was stolen...new small stone soldier put back to replace top brass bit stolen.nice size soldier well carved on top....southall green huge one.no money for 800 names or more.they said 1920..... modelled on famous lutchen one Whitehall..huge big there nov 11 since 1920 huge service there annualy

    .

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Apr-2014
    today for gt gdads etc...£100000..gov money.for vets 1st war etc uk..that did not die in service combat...died later at home.uk......but several had Victoria cross medal.....family most of them way back it is just grass ,not wages coming in or life insurance for funeral grave.stone expensive to carve.....so cwgc.white carved regiment fine stones are now going to be added to vc graves of just gras... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Apr-2014
    today.new .in google maps..street view ..blue line new for canal..take yellow man across..new 40 pound back pack tracker.camera lady or men walked it 72 canal locations tow path reflections gt nature clear water countryside green...in gazette today photos ...hanwell southall...click arrow along....360.degree.15angle lens..canal river trust and street view,.put in windmill lane southall etc....so g... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Apr-2014
    it is lovely filming tow path hanwell flight locks sunny..clear water countryside...arroa along asylum wall...under 3 brdges..arrow click along top lock southall and on on on..gt new ..in google..72 canal locations done ....working on more...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 27-Apr-2014
    Thank you Yvonne, lovely.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Apr-2014
    The once official name for "Three Bridges" was "Windmill Bridge" because of the mill that once stood there and is now in a very famous painting. . Does anyone know where that painting is now and if it can be viewed??

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Apr-2014
    you asked couple mths ago keith and .you replied thanks when gave all details read in goggle over the yrs typed it all on here again for you..you asked couple mths ago..painting..yes called windmill bridge .brunel died just after around time bridge was built 3 bridges....ok carol...............lovely arrow click under 3 bridges along tow path arrow along to top lock etc...arrow along flight locks ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Apr-2014
    Thank you Yvonne

    Could not find answer. but I thought it had been given. Memory is going now.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Apr-2014
    yes you replied thanks...ok lovely

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Apr-2014
    phyis......just done canal tow path online...under 3 bridges .going west...south the flats built on old seascouts scrap land.with park grass next to bridge new park grass new architecture letters seat...3 bridges letters large yellow..looks good from tow path..top lock great goes into glade lane ad Havelock rd..camera..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Apr-2014
    3 southall men of southall station rail society ..on tv today..channel 19...steam rail..didcot society..best gt steam society in the world was said...gwr..28 steam trains 80 wagons signals et etc..on tv today.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Apr-2014
    11 pm repeated..gt photography film..1950s society last days of steam..the yesterday called title of channel..barlow pears perry

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Apr-2014
    In 1993 I went on a train trip down the Brentford
    branch as far as it went-the Great West Road. This was organised by the GWR Preservation Society then based at Southall.It was marvellous!

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-May-2014
    gt memory..mike.n.yes over the gt west rd..gt society.3 southall men on tv yesterday..on twice the programme was good.1950s.last days of steam..best wishes for may day bank holiday ..mike and all.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-May-2014
    today......beehive pub..original of yr 1800....of Allenby rd north rd dormers...dissolved 8 apr 2014 ..11 yrs of 2002..situation.the.company there..pub closed apr 2014..closed end of beehive......red lion Greenford went little while ago now flats built there..
    http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/jalandhar-junction-at-the-beehive

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-May-2014
    Looks like more reminders of Dormers School days about to go.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-May-2014
    2002 trouble..long time companies house..11 yrs..to dissolve today..
    http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/directors/jalandhar-junction-at-the-beehive
    land they want for flats always ..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-May-2014
    Anyone interested there is a picture of the Beehive pub on my Flicker site d.sexton428

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-May-2014
    will look thanks.....finished now bet be flats...2002 been struggling long time...like the others did for long time before close...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-May-2014
    the white cottage opposite yr 1800 listed heritage..preserved..3 Allenby....people moved in wanted to change outdoor loo..that they found there...not allowed...........dormers sweet shop post office we had there...still grocer shop.today.....105 bus..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-May-2014
    gt photo...people will miss that lovely sign ,piece on side roof of beehive for the bees gt ..miss the pub...black spot we were always told at dormers cars bikes crash ...cant see those bends there traffic..accident prone..loads kids leave school...decades...but new entrance along Allenby rd...of old field...so further along kids leave by 105 busstop..up Allenby..bit safer..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-May-2014
    We used the old Dormers sweetshop & the other shop run by the old lady on the bend

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-May-2014
    The mention of the sweetshop reminds me of my daily walk to Dormers Wells School from North Road 1940-1942.
    Just before getting to the shops a lady in one of the houses called Mrs Martin used to berate the schoolkids for supposed misdeeds-they would shout back from a safe distance "Old mother Martin keeps on -----"

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-May-2014
    that's gt mike..mrs martin..ha..yes denis..the 2 sweet shops...bet it will be in next 2 yrs flats on beehive corner..built...............white hart Greenford rd flats there now...and up at redlion Greenford high st...flats there called redlion court...........

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-May-2014
    Such is progress.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-May-2014
    Wonder if the Three Horseshoes will be next.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 7-May-2014
    May I take this opportunity to thank those members who have help fill in the gaps of "Jack Dance" in our family tree. I have done much research on various websites but without much success.

    Fortunately I have the original Family wedding certificates.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-May-2014
    Thank you Denis for the very latest photo of The Beehive pub on your Flicker. When I was looking through our Southallboards yesterday, I noticed that there is another photo of The Beehive on Southallboard7 which is obviously an earlier building. Can anyone remember when the thatched Beehive was changed to a brick roof, as the thatched one is the one I remember when I used to go past on the bus in the 1940's.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-May-2014
    Thank you Pauline, sorry i cant remember the change from thatch to a tiled roof.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-May-2014
    mr Thompson.......glad you like all the work..on dance...done.....glad you have marriage certs....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-May-2014
    in google...beehive .records.1878 to 1937 yrs..year 1800 pub..one allenby rd ..pre yr 1914 .landlord amos pavis.to after 1937...13 allenby rd the yr 1800 cottage grade 2 listed.preserved.opposite.
    http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Hayes/Beehive.shtml

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-May-2014
    mr Thompson rowbottom...nice in records here dozen marriages for southall..yrs...reg districts uxbridge..for dance.......1919 to flo rowbottom..to mr dance ..of you.....southall..

    http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=birthsutf002c%20marriages%20utf0026%20deaths&collection=marriages%20utf0026%20divorces&lastname=dance®ion=great%20britain&keyword=uxbridge

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    just seen in google.......older photo of russian grave Havelock...taken..a few yrs ago...same grave one as denis .his one of recent photo he took with newer recent black Russian cross in front of it.......so with 2 photos together now..can see that Russian dept London must have gone there in last yr or so..taking info..for their info documentation..London and back in Russia.....last yr or so ance... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-May-2014
    Yvonne very interesting i thought the two Russian wooden crosses where recent, there is also the grave of a Belgium soldier in there to from WW1 there is a picture of his grave on my Flicker site to.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-May-2014
    Thank you Yvonne for the information re the 2 young Russian pilots buried in Havelock cemetery. It's great to know that their Russian relatives are now able to contact the Russian dept im London and the worldwide web for the final resting place of their family.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    yes Pauline hope there were 1917 yrs some Russian family left...hope so.....yes denis photo 1917 the 1920s carved cwgc..white portand stone...but black looked new not weathered deteriorated yet.......then few yrs ago..in google...photo ..of name clear stone..photo taken..saw this week in google....grass but no black cross.....that plaque on wall main gate was only put there..2yr ago.79 cwgc.stone... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    just found..long list photos scroll....site in google..82 casualties war Havelock..photos cwgc white stones..2010 put on line.....minck 1882 born to 1915 died Belgium 1st war stone there with Belgium colours at top,,of their flag..in stone....
    http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fluidr.com%2Fphotos%2Fgroup9may%2Fsets%2F72157624712403232

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    80/81 war graves list..Havelock...all their details list......http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=asc
    in google...lots southall names...some others are at hortus..overflow cemetery.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    google...list 119 graves Havelock.....http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2368531

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    h..dance....on Featherstone rd school..war memorial list names...yes..photo in google.....stone memorial of 1920...now in lawn by fence of western rd by brent rd junction pub before canal..west side.in new primary school.....names still read in stone..camera photos in google.....http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fluidr.com%2Fphotos%2Fgroup9may%2Fsets%2F72157624957833330

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    amazing luck today.3 yrs trying....opens ok in google 15 photos feathers famous war memorial 82 southall names 1st 2nd war...in google......close camera...2010 taken.names soldier on top...
    http://www.fluidr.com/photos/group9may/sets/72157624957833330

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    same site scrolls photos each 119 white stones carved cwgc..Heston church yard...clear read regiment or raf emblems as usual...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    long list general people..women etc residents buried Havelock here.......novikov Russian federation large photo of him as well.......in google......
    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41&GScid=2368531&GRid=59035783&

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    grave with just grass around .of Russian .so site done before wood crosses guess less than yr old added...black wood

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-May-2014
    In the site...photos all war graves.carved stone////names scroll hillingdonuxbridge cemetery takes for ever hundreds there......Isleworth cemetery...Hounslow cemetery.......brits poles..Belgium etc etc..a few Russians..Oxfordshire cemetery a few Russians graves of war/////

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-May-2014
    from Russian countries so many millions lost lives.against Nazi Germany...massive snow ice starvation as well.today their ve day...large photo on the graves site on line of novikov.in cadet air uniform..age 24 died southall cemetery..email today from my southall cousin born married st john southall.now Canada with her son..arrangements for two royal birthday cards being done 100 in November ..but ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-May-2014
    mr Thompson......h dance is on the 1920 carved .stone with soldier on top..Featherstone rd scholars..war dead...now on display ..western rd.................he is towards the top..alphabetical order...on the link..gave you long list photos of it there done 2010..in google....regina rd lived wife and family would have given his name to his school for memorial carve ...but st johns parish church was ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 10-May-2014
    As a final footnote to John "Jack" Henry Dance.

    I emailed the Thiepval Memorial and they have supplied a Certificate recording his death and as a soldier with no known grave. The first world war medals that the family have are George "Ruffy" Rowbottoms, so what became of Jack's I do not know and as Flo is no longer with us to ask.

    Once again many thanks for everybody's assistance.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    mr Thompson......did you see....above said....dance is on the southall war memorial.....in google the link given you opens...dance up the top...of Featherstone boys school scholars memorial....14 ft high stone..with soldier on top...80 names engraved...1920 unveiled..southall green..it is now by fence western rd...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    pauline mike.......got photo 1913 onwards yrs mt pleasant hospital....north parade up Allendale.........people asked for history and photo..on here.6mths ago......but they don't come back..no.communication...........rare photo...good to see....nan died there 1961...so glad got photo at last......large lots windows.with print on it ..of the title....text we already had was in goggle gt text info of the yrs of it....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-May-2014
    Yvonne - where is photo of hospital please?

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    have not been able to upload southallboard for...over week.....had trouble few mths ago..flickr....now more changes it is even worse....did you know somebody who was there....got photo safe...get it ..at some stage...........flckr has caused lot trouble..yr now..was ok for 3 yrs..gt....but ..wow even more long..long long.. hrs trouble with it...pity..3 yrs..many many many hours spent but was ok..... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    text been in google for over yr
    http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/mountpleasant.html

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 10-May-2014
    Yvonne - saw that link before about the hospital. I had trouble with flickr and gave up trying to put photos on. My dad's sister, Joan Rycraft, died in the isolation hospital of diptheria in 1936 aged 9. Have photograph of her, lovely little girl. She is buried in Havelock Cemetery with her mum and brother Gilbert, who was killed in an accident on his bicyle, collided with a lorry, I am told s... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    photo safe should be able sort later....yes my aunt southall 1930s hoop cough child nearly lost her it was bad ...dad got peritonitus teenager .nearly lost him hillingdon hospital...but he went to war after later..but he was not gt from it rest of his life.........bad times their brother tube factory Gordon rd age 19 died hillingd hosp factory toxins they got compensation pay burial havelock....na... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    hanwell cemetery..15 pence sale land 1980s..freddie frinton..al bowlly singer ..etc Westminster cemetery uxbridge rd hanwell with 200 civilian dead London..and cwgc white stone graves...https://www.westminster.gov.uk/hanwell-cemetery

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-May-2014
    As I think I may have mentioned before, I had two weeks in Isolation Hospital in 1938-Scarlet Fever.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-May-2014
    1938 yes mike..good near hospital.......my photo 1913 at opening.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-May-2014
    dear Pauline........message from ron cox Australia......he lived by beehive....as you see in back pages here.......1939 yrs onwards 40s etc....ron..knows beehive well...lived by it......no thatch...tile roof.in all photos..............the famous plough Northolt village green..had thatch..burnt down..........cant get southalboard7 now tried everyday..lots changes flickr..and my memory computer is d... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    site been off 24 hrs again

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 12-May-2014
    Might be better to get a page set up on Facebook

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-May-2014
    It think you could be right Carol

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    today hoardings gone up beehive boarded..only roof visable...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-May-2014
    Thats the end of the Beehive going the same way as the Red Lion & the White Hart

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-May-2014
    Is the Plough still there in North road-I used to live opposite 1933-1954

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 12-May-2014
    I have just uploaded some old pictures of Southall to my photostream on Flickr the URL is:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/119709683@N07/

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    yes plough still popular mike..open
    locals say.they know..nisa grocer retail shop..going to be at beehive..big car park to right of beehive.....chicken take away last yr opposite beehive not post office sweets as old days by dormers school up there corner...bend...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    today photo boarded beehive..large car pk..left ..to be nisa grocery..........1880 photo beehive..was long ..long..beerhouse lots rural cattle horse farmhouses thirsty workers..rural mt pleasant mkt high st...long with landlord landlady..high railings all along.no thatch roof ..lots windows for lodgers rooms labourers...brick....google has census post office info of landlords..1881 to 1937...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    lovely colin.......thanks from us all...lovely lots photos...CAROL...hosp photo there you wanted......mt pleasant fever hosp...there in colins.....north rd Allendale rd.....now new bitten rd ..old peoples home there new built 3yrs ago ish.......

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 12-May-2014
    Absolutely brilliant photos Colin, so clear. Yes Yvonne I saw the photo thanks.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-May-2014
    good carol......1881 free census in google...beehive.pub beer seller long wide large pub.in photo.......john clark age 60 wife caroline 59..both from Aylesbury bucks..and 1878.at pub..beehive .......born 1821....more clark in census..north rd mt pleasant southall......http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Hayes/Beehive.shtml

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-May-2014
    Thank you Colin for the wonderful photos on your Photostream. It is very much appreciated.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 13-May-2014
    Can somebody tell me please where I can get a copy of the Mount Pleasant Hospital photo. Thanks.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    carol.......think it may have come from book...or such..yrs ago...some old local photos came from old southall..library collection many yrs ago...not there any more ......ealing library took over local history....some old stock...saw on google 2 yrs ago ebay........save as at the photo would go in your own computer pictures folder.....or snipping it tool..bottom.left your computer screen then save as

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-May-2014
    Thanks for the information on the "Beehive" Yvonne. I didn't know Ron Cox lived near the Beehive. I knew he lived in Saxon road though.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    yes before saxon....that row of tall old cottages going from beehive into.dormers lane .then he lived in greenfields opposite gate dormers senior school...back couple yrs on site here he chats nicely about it...so very near on top of beehive.several yrs......yesterday sent him photos of it boarded last night.kind lady nipped around photographed it..now to be grocery shop.......such wonderful..mem... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    carol.....to get original....many most photos..in..southall.local history book.old one when 1st published reprints...huge photo town hall on front..by authot he has written several..jonathan oates librarian ealing...called southall.....often in google ebay sale ..or new reprint version..sale at ealing library.£20pbk........think it is in there..hosp photo..gt read lovely book..many on site here have a copy....

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    and look how generous denis is to us .his long time of membership.and with his really fantastic flickr site and colin incredible generous long time kindness to us...........would love to see yours carol...free to start flickr.and we can see there.I did it 4 yrs ago..free site

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-May-2014
    I was also in the Isolation hospital with Scarlet Fever in 1938. My baby brother David was also in the same ward as us in his cot. When he cried sometimes and no-one came, I used to get out of my bed and pick him up and cuddle him and hum the Skater's Waltz, which my parents always sang to all the babies. There was also a large hut in the grounds of the hospital where patients were sent for a shor... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    be good girl..the number of times we all heard that...lovely.//.so good you could be with david and hum waltz..snow such bad weather feb baby to be born...hut not in photo 1913 but windows clear in photo..1938 so bad the kids scarlet fever..whoop cough 1930s my aunt had..real bad..pleurosy other aunt had bad...1947 baby died 2 yr old buried Havelock meningitis.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-May-2014
    Thank you Yvonne my pleasure.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    ok..denis..good talk on tv today...extra runway needed so long now...Gatwick under new control...say keen to it.gatwick said to.make heathrow and Gatwick....both .good London links etc..air traffic across .transit etc..etc..perhaps Gatwick will get it now..room..open land areas..south of London.rail motorway good ......motorway to brighton..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-May-2014
    Pauline-Spent my second week in that outside wooden building. It was a mixed ward

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-May-2014
    Michael, I remember there were boys and girls in that building, as to my shame when were supposed to be in bed asleep, one girl started jumping up and down on her bed like a trampoline and several of us younger ones joined in. I was coming up to about seven years old. There was a boy at the end of the ward that none of us liked for some reason or other, and he told us all to stop it. One girl lif... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 13-May-2014
    Yvonne, I can't copy the photo, I think it's protected. I tried putting photos on Flickr but don't seem to be able to do it. Anyway, my photos aren't half as interesting as those that have already been put on the Southallboards and Flickr already.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    last 2 weeks flickr cant do save as ..been ok mainly for 4 yrs but they have changed loads just recently...........bottom of screen..left .snipping tool...click...then drag across the photo muted effect...do save and it goes into your pictures file for you......Pauline has done.email effect...click on flickr photo and send..to email...which allowed to go..to another....envelope symbol there for em... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 13-May-2014
    Got it, don't know how but not the way you said. Thanks Yvonne.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-May-2014
    Pauline-you have reminded me of a long forgotten episode in that mixed ward. A number of boys and girls persuaded a four year old girl to lift her nightie, if all the boys put their heads under the bedclothes. This we duly did. I learned afterwards that some peeped from under the bedclothes. I didn't thus delayed ny education for some time.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-May-2014
    To download a picture from Flickr to your computer do the following:

    1. Click on the picture in the relevant photostream to bring up the window with the larger version of the picture and the comments to the left of it.

    2. At the top of the comments are four symbols, click on the one comprising three dots on the extrem... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-May-2014
    That should have said "comments to the right".

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 13-May-2014
    Yes that's how I did it Colin. Thanks. Lovely photos.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-May-2014
    It would help if Flickr made the download option more obvious, I think they have blocked the use of right click on the picture and "save as" to stop wholesale harvesting of images and also so that if necessary people mis-using copyright material can be traced.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-May-2014
    thanks colin...carol...gt

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 14-May-2014
    Finally I think I have photos on Flickr.
    Go to:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/115710602@N02/with/14180491985

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    got it..carol b.....looks gt...going have nice ..look..get back...thanks..lovely...well done to you..gt work...xxxx

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    carol...they are out of this world..fab..rare unique..gt photos.....just like our burials Havelock vacant chair high with floral tributes...yes photo looks like Clarence.....and gt back Clarence..86..so many lived along..54ish kates family goldsmith..hook .hunt.chandler.will think of some more...mine along there 1911 yrs......2 buildings fence you ask where....COLIN harris may know.........Greenfo... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    carol.....so many people lived clarence st of your family....wide span yrs....robin boultwood family...little couple shops along there sweets grocery etc..early yrs...wedding kate they had big party mayor there photos in gazette big screen..seats across rd..banner at kates family terraced hse..tv radio there was on national tv.....yes often only couple rooms big families born in..grew up cramped.t... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 14-May-2014
    Glad I managed to get them on there. My grandmother is in the photo of mothers and babies. My dad and two brothers in the Le Grand football photo. I will have to scan the booklet I have about Le Grands and get it on there. The grave photo in Havelock Cemetery was found in my grandmothers photo album. I lived in the prefabs. Great grandparents lived at 1 Foremans Cottages, North Hyde in 1915.... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    1980 ish bronze statue stolen feathers school front.so your photo 1980s or so....stone soldier on it now..western rd by fence by 105 busstop west side.......any guess date rough on photos would be gt carol...........gorgeous photos...yours opposite side to mine Havelock carol...2005 you went we went few yrs back....gt gt xxxxxx..zephur car by devnes and lady marg shops...fish chip shop corner the... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    yes noth star row ...on census was foremans cottage 1915 yrs etc...1911 ..north star row.....1881 north star row...the photo is....mine number 5 number 10...and andlord pub number 11..north star pub...west side brickfields payed foreman each group at the pub..cottages yrs had lodgers hep pay rent were bickmakers labourers or moulders..massive kiln clamp.coal from canal dock there....norwood green ... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    what surname gt gran foremans cottage ......can see if they were near mine...neighbours were the thing they knew each other helped each other...2 charabanc photos 2 pubs there..loads men in photos.men easter outing chucked farthings to the kids 1920ish yrs..local men worked together women kids worked women helped each other birth babies etc..war worked farms,northyde and footpath to cranford lane.... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    gt your gran photo mums babies.......gt your dad brothers football....yes we had photos drawer of burial day photos flowers...like yours..gran place could be her hubby funeral..yes woodlans place off kings st..southall green....1921 after war big pneumonia epidemic then...prefab we were 8th parade..over by greeford rd...near opposite path to bunny pk...thanks just as our shed coal mower bike etc..... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 14-May-2014
    Yvonne - I put dates on - some are just guesses. No. 1 Foremans Cottages - name was Coxhead. Great grandfather was a carter.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    carol photos here usual ebay regular look through yrs..gt football..ones southall...famous southall local history bk southall war etc....in google...postcards pictures southall etc..weekly ..yrs now....
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=southall

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    yes saw the ones with date helps so....good have guess or any idea date is gt.....1 cottage yes...carter..easily mean mkt gardening there farms produce ..take deliver........or brickfields by there.in google carter took ..from hump bridge to Hounslow regular couple hundred bricks..bought..and he delivered was old dirt lane then norhhyde lane..and bicks on carts .he delivered..heavy...but canal doc... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-May-2014
    Thank you for your photos Carol. They are super. I particularly loved the one of North Hyde Cottages Southall.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    carol.......cart and carter...going through the splash.photo..famous kids all played there...yeading brook meets river crane,,northhyde....west of your coxhead foremans cottages....1900 photo posted card 1917...huge size lovely...carter way of travel transport..horses............also 1870 1880s 1911 carman.loads did high st rail near and delivery....gt photo here of near.ours..my aunt played famou... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    northhyde cottages north star row..demolished by BA..1957ish...now row modern houses built 1960.fronts onto northhyde lane at that bend..on streetview...ours all born in old terraced cottage.of photo.apple tree in back yard....gdads brother there chucked out elderly to council flat.died yr later.by 1959.......were rented.many many decades tythe went with job..by there brickmake or mkt gardening... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 14-May-2014
    Lovely photo of the watersplash. Remember my dad taking me there especially to drive through when I was a girl. Obviously, it had changed from when that photo was taken.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    yes gt large clear 1900 photo Edwardian ladies goes south to posh berkely cranford pk yes street view shows it now in google..my crowd all played there.1900s to 1950s tales..
    in google link click all pages.1/2/3 etc northyde norwood green southall green Heston etc photos
    http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/greater-london/hounslow/north-hyde/pictures/page2/

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    page 13 that link photos 3 on Clarence st....looks like your mystery photo.CAROL..also streetview 2012.some not changed much...general southall rail etc..pages further 20 etc...Heston gt ones there the stoup at Heston church porch..medieval..preserved yr 1400 tower porch so special and lych gate gate..
    http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/greater-london/hounslow/north-hyde/pictures/page13/

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-May-2014
    Yvonne the fish & chip shop on the corner of Lady Marg. shops was Huttons i remember it well

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    lots people loved it...... devines on carol s .photo.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 14-May-2014
    Really loved the chip shop on lady Margaret road. Living in Derwent road it was a regular take away. Thinking back I'm sure you could eat in, but never saw too many in there. Having read the site over the last few weeks with the Bee hive going, and all the rest of the pubs going, can the locals tell me if the Lamb and Wolf pubs are still around. The chippy by the Lamb used to be recommended, no do... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-May-2014
    often heard of chippy by lamb think it might well be still there east side parade shops..was well liked.many yrs........lamb wolf still open...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-May-2014
    The couple who ran the Fish and Chip in Lady Margaret Road were, if my memory is correct,were Mr and Mrs Ward-their son Harold had been in my class at North Road.(1936-19400.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    good memory mike.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-May-2014
    Yvonne-I am quite good at remembering events of 70+years ago-less impressive about last Tuesday!

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    ha..yes.ok..best wishes to you..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-May-2014
    Before WW2 there used to be a Fish Shop in North Road a few shops up from Sellars the newsagents. It was run by two ladies,Mrs Curtis and Mrs Stevens.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    mike ..you spoke of .le grand .before ..carols recent photos .16 men closeup of le grand football team southall 1937..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    very nice quiet pretty you tube film.in google..hayes Harlington 1956....cranford pk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gMwy9TpFRw

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    the big main corner was post office....says to be individual shops units..now changing

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    Pauline nice close up photo in google 1940s mum baby vicar at holy trinity parish hall...east side by traffic lights top lady marg rd..........our 1960s photo hall can see same distinct door area..in our collection several yrs now..
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-OLD-PHOTO-MAN-VICAR-HOLDING-BABY-LADY-FUR-COAT-SKIRT-SOUTHALL-1940S-/390835160044?pt=UK_Collectables_Photographs_MJ&hash=item5aff974... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-May-2014
    Thanks Yvonne for the photo of the Holy Trinity Parish Hall door. It was another of those landmarks in Southall that we all remember. I also loved the small video of Hayes & Harlington 1956. These photos of Hayes brought back so many memories when I worked at EMI Hayes,and when we moved there for a couple of years. We were young and sprightly then!

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    bomb site...in google broadway park etc etc..3 accounts there gina broadway...other long read 2oz bacon ration etc etc....
    http://bombsight.org/explore/greater-london/ealing/southall-broadway/
    southall map of red dots bombs

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2014
    yes gt close up..think vicar wife and his child 1940s war yrs at parish hall door..top lady marg lovely close up......gt so good of hayes etc 1956...such good film..so much in it...clear close ups etc...

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-May-2014
    The vicar at Holy Trinity Church in 1940 was Mr Wilson

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    thanks mike ...could be mr Wilson and wife and child in photo....vicar holding the baby ..1940 yr approx..in the doorway of holy trinity parish hall top east side lady marg rd .by town hall..war yr..unless it is 1945/6 yr.photo..vicar looks about 30 yrs old..hard to tell..but little boy if son about 2/3 yrs old of the vicar..
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-OLD-PHOTO-MAN-VICAR-HOLDING-BABY-LADY-F... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    mike......yes 1939 to 1947 William Hubert Wilson...1931 to 1939 Hartington evans.....1947 to 1951 halsey ..of holy trinity
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/SLHS/transactions6.pdf
    if Wilson ..would be Wilson 1940s photo..huge close up good photo of him..looks like young son and wife..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-May-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. I remember Mr Wilson well, and his predecessor Mr Evans. Until 1939 the curate was Mt Turner-he joined up at the outbreak of war;the last I heard of hime was his getting back home from the beaches of Dunkirk. His successor was Evan Pilkingtom-I was in his confirmation class. He founded the Pioneer Club, which used to meet at Dormers Wells school

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    thanks mike...dunkirk interesting...so Wilson photo think we have 1940 with 2 yrs old son wife.seems..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-May-2014
    Two houses across from Holy Trinity hall bombed with deaths i believe.

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2014
    yes couple people spok
    e of top lady marg rd hses death

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-May-2014
    funny how you call Uxbridge rd. end the top of Lady Marg. Rd we called the top end where the Seagull pub was

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    you living top end seagull denis...ha..Ruislip rd ..north top end...yes..lots people...call it so different...... us living broadway .off Carlyle rd..called town hall top end..ha..longest rd in southall of fame lady marg rd after earl jerseys wife who unveiled plaque to new town hall.1900..plaque on lady marg wall side of town hall..gt memories we all have....most of us from...north part of south... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-May-2014
    Yvonne-I have had a look at the picture of the book. It is a bit small, and I can't determine whether it is the Rev.Wilson

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    oh ..in google ..the ebay photo...is large of vicar face .....his 2 yr old son and woman..large photo...will try get it again...1940s yr says..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2014
    you click the photo...then also scroll down...photo there click and it comes up very large his face ...brunette hair thick..bit of wave age 1940s about 28 /30 or so yrs...at door holy trinity parish hall lady marg rd........scroll down click lower photo at it come up extra large...
    http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=747069&image=755332920&images=755332920&formats=0&format=0
    F... more >>

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-May-2014
    Yvonne- I don't remember Rev Wilson having thick black hair. Is it one of the curates??

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2014
    might be...nice head hair ..dark hair..age 28/30ish...if not him...........vicar collar in photo.....Pauline has photo on link..1940s southall door of holy trinity hall.parish hall..

  • Re: Pathe News Films of Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2014
    yes nice big photo as Pauline saw link....vicars clothes and white vicar collar dog collar 1940s southall.by hall door..dark hair.bit of wave

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Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 9-Apr-2014

Congratulations on your site – always fascinating.

I am (still) researching characters associated with my second cousin Jim Ives who served as a bomber pilot in the second world war. Jim was posted 'missing' on operations in January 1944, shot down on a raid against Berlin.

I am currently interested in Mr Charles G Vernon, headmaster at Southall County School which Jim attended between ... more >>
  
  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by penny (Member 10265839) on 10-Apr-2014
    Mr Vernon was still headmaster of Southall Grammar School when I attended between 1958 and 1963. I remember him as elderly (but then I thought all the teachers were old!) with a craggy face and twinkling eyes. He was always very fair in his judgements if you were sent to his office as a punishment.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Apr-2014
    I attended Southall County School from 1943 to 1945 and Mr Vernon was Headmaster there all the time I was there. All I can remember about him was that he was a very fair headmaster, not one to be afraid of. I can't say that he reminded me of James Mason at all but he had a 'nice' face. We also had a Headmistress at the same time called Miss Brookes.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    ives on records southall 1911 census electoral roles..ancestry site.BDM..southall grammar had reunion 2002 ..table set out with old school booklets etc...school library now called Villiers may have archive and ealing public library has school info roles etc etc..reunion people with info in google and friends reunited s grammar site..
    my family knew ives ..my family southall going back to 1870.etc yrs...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Apr-2014
    John - My brother David attended Southall Grammar School in 1947, and in his autobiography he wrote about Mr Vernon, which I think you would like to hear. "Mr Vernon was a wonderful man. Quiet, unassuming and totally fair, respected by staff and pupils alike. He took the school assembly every morning, unless of course he was absent himself. What I remember him mainly for, were the occasions that h... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 10-Apr-2014
    I remember 'Dolly' Brookes Pauline, she was still there when I started in 1963 & I do just remember Dr. Vernon though he was handing over to Dr. Holroyd from the Tech. Dr. Vernon did have a very kind face that is certainly how I remember him.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    of southall Middlesex.....neil ives..if it helps...http://www.oldog.co.uk/AboutMe.htm

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Apr-2014
    I met Mr Vernon once-in 1940. I had sat the first part of the exam at North Road, and passed.The second stage was held at Southall County, where I met Mr Vernon. I ignominiously failed!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Apr-2014
    I meant the 11+ exam of course!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Apr-2014
    Dont worry Michael were not on your own, LOL

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Apr-2014
    only Charles gayford Vernon death.online..find past..free index...Suffolk Deben..1989..age 89 left grammar 1964...born 1900 sept..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Apr-2014
    I was so pleased to learn that Mr Vernon had 25 years of retirement after he retired from Southall Grammar School.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Apr-2014
    yes was gt..lovely rare name...he shows up in free index easily.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 11-Apr-2014
    Many thanks all, just the sort of memories I was hoping for. Pauline's brother David's recollections show Dr Vernon to be quite a deep and original thinker. I was similarly impressed by a foreword he wrote for the school magazine 'Recess' of December 1934 in which he discussed 'the machine age':-

    'But it has not turned out precisely as might have been expected. By machinery we can produce go... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    if you make free flickr photo site like denis .did......you can display any photo..we can all see it..in google..let us know when.....or send the image.email to ealing local history library ealing broadway..librarian of many yrs southall etc might help..his collection info photos and books he has and has written on southall.....glad you liked our help.....grammar recess..booklet they did many yrs.....

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    1933 junior schools...could be .tudor rd....Featherstone rd..north rd junior school...as you see in google map it is to the east of southall park and southall grammar...by green drive..2nd war bomb..mike and Pauline.and members have spoken of..in area .by there.....north rd juniors might probably be the catchment area school for him...map you can see across the uxbridge rd just there.school and.ho... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Pauline today email from friends reunited..you may have....said original team of yr 2000.going to do site again....have replied said put it back exactly to how it was ..told them all parts want back and how..waste of my valuable time again expect...we shall see........several yrs now facebook and photos have taken all members from them with their archive memories knowledge.photos etc.also...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 12-Apr-2014
    Here's a link for the junior school photo http://jcproctor.co.uk/schoolslist.html

    there's also a list of the first year intake for Sept. 1934. I'm aware that William Smale form 1 Alpha aso died in the war.

    Thanks for the pointers, I'll give Dr Oates a try as there must be a photo somewhere in the school mags of Dr... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    best to try deputy head ...school library or secretary .they are usually nice.will try photo..oates and his assistant now are good..Vernon marriage birth on line free..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Villiers 100yrs excellence..
    http://www.villiers.ealing.sch.uk/school_information/our_history/

    photos ..groups..

    war memorial board.usually at school... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    born 1928 ish ...sept1934 intake juniors if north rd..which is for knowsley rd....our mike born same went there...Pauline mike photo ..on southall flickr also...all large group 1934 children..and teacher..........north rd primary school on friends reunited since yr 2000..lots photos..staff pupils there memories etc...free site in google.....

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    if you do street view 2012 july show my street 1850 north rd built school still there infants juniors...front ..left as photo ..see school passage seems..corner be the old sweet shop......along right front school..old part still exsists windows roof sections...seems...look at street view free site in google...mike 1928ish born went to north rd..members some 1928 ..1934 family lived local..of those... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    your book and researcher work you do.researching.on other raf.also,1944 died jim age 21..so born 1923..at sept 1934 southall school.so.age 11 in photo end junior school.it seems......nice info from family of jim..in southall here...
    http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/book.html

    expect southall grammar and ealing southall local hist library have signed copies your world war 2 raf bomber command book..y... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    sept 1934 1st yr photo..intake you say..... southall grammar jim sept1934 to 1939..so sept he would be old southall grammar building photo...end junior school july 1934 he would be with class teacher leaving primary junior school age 11..photo.....probably north rd juniors.catchment area.....in.1934.... born 1923 died jan 1944 age 21...so is photo front sept 1934..age 11..southall grammar..buildin... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    1st yr intake age 11 southall grammar would be cotton uniform dresses like photo...hot day.........north rd juniors..1934 ..think they did not have uniform cotton dresses etc..age 10/11.leaving junior school...so 1934 1st yr intake age 11..southall grammar photo jim ives..grammar asked for uniform.purchased local uniform shop..1934......2012.pity street view modern building part old southall gramm... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    dr oates ealing southall library may have 1st yr intake photos archive 1934 southall grammar cotton dress uniform sept 1934...you say he was there 1934sept to july1939..in your book info in google........at your site.you have lots more raf.people to look up get info added .must keep you busy..expect you have done well with author books..subject very popular and again now ..very much so for books buying etc

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    yes your book link .says born 1923 .from southwark ....1933 arrives southall knowsley rd..last 2 terms southall junior school.building and catchment area for his hse....july leaves.. sept 1934 1st yr intake.southall grammar...to see building 2 female teachers..photo large class boys girls.age 11 ish.1934 ..archive from john his dads hse southall 1972

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    long shot...photo could be out back of school....not school building in background....if housing etc...around the area...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Apr-2014
    The Ive family lived opposite us in Northcote Avenue, and were there from 1937 or earlier. As Colin Harris, our historian and also a member of the Ive family (his grandfather John Ive still lives there the last time he wrote about him) maybe he would have some information on this other Ive family when he gets back.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    records show ive spelling...and ives...this raf pilot jim ives..moved in age 10/11 from southwark south London...with his dad john ives..lived east side southall pk..his dad john ives died in hse 1972.....jim new to southall went to junios for last 2 terms then onto s grammar to 1939 july..then pilot war..died 1944...at war...his dad john lived on till 1972.southall at the house.............but co... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    says 55 photos southall grammar...friends reunited...they have gone back to nearly original site layout....Villiers changed buildings...but if you see photo sept 1934 of 1st intake...girls in dresses uniform..as your photo..the building behind if it is the old 1934 school...if any of the old school building windows roof of photo..survives today....several think it is NOT north rd primary..where.hi... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    in google jack ryall...class of 1939 s grammar...you say jim there 1934 to 1939
    http://www.classmates.com/people/Jack-Ryall/8683249940

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    photos 1950s..on southallboard flickr......roof windows..front...southall grammar old original brick front...built like tudor rd 1906/7 ..also 1950 tudor rd primary..walking distance west from southall grammar...tudor rd to age 11.........grammar..11 onwards....ives photo.if check..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Beaconsfield rd mixed juniors july 1934 is walk across west for ives...built 1920...in google prospectus says it is an old building..architecture Victorian.edwardian...photo of the windows old red brick..looks like your windows 1934 photo..age 11 kids 1934 july end of juniors..group...not school uniform just cotton dresses..post code ub1 1 dr Beaconsfield rd..email there also...street view goes down Beaconsfield rd..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Apr-2014
    Beaconsfield built 1908 as high school girls but war yrs 7000 Australian wounded .hospital use many amputees limbs made training for jobs.etc..1920 adapted to juniors infants..area of the famous huge Marylebone orphan school Victorian building south rd through to Beaconsfield rd...1934 july Beaconsfield juniors photo ives.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 13-Apr-2014
    Yvonne, genius! Thank you so much, you've cracked it! Beaconsfield Road Primary School it is. Googlemaps street-view shows that the upper storey has since been rendered, but the ground floor brickwork looks right. The window and roof configurations match when viewed from the south-eastern corner of the school. The photo is from the rear of the school building with Beaconsfield Road in the backg... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 13-Apr-2014
    The street-view from Oswald Road confirms all.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 13-Apr-2014
    You were right it was Harris Philp, also around the corner from SGS was Joe Erskine and in Greenford Rd it was Sellers. Mispent youth!

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 13-Apr-2014
    Pauline mentioned the Ive family in Northcote Avenue, she was right about them living at 140, but it's my uncle John Ive that still lives in Northcote albeit not at the same number. John will be 91 later this year and given his age is still in quite good health. My Ive family were not related to the Ives family.

    The mention of the pencil from Harris and Philp the bookies is rather a strange co-... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by penny (Member 10265839) on 13-Apr-2014
    Have been trying to come up with names of teacher at Southall Grammar 1950s - 1960s.
    Mr Elton - French
    Miss McHeath - PE
    Mrs Pledger - Maths
    Mr Lant - Maths
    Mr "Doc" Holiday -... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    llucky on prospectus..say still in part old Victorian building...many schools ..last view yrs been demolished new modern glass gone up.....yes Oswald by it so street view.....uxbridge rd 1934 the big main rd...so not send jim near across to north rd primary.same distance away for him...but WINDOWS DEAD WRONG..but across the other side of his pk to Beaconsfield...juniors....so photo ..HE AGE 11 was... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    1958..after ives war pilot yrs...headmistress beaconsfiield primary died age 57 after 36 yrs teaching profession..mrs d ashall..probably Dorothy.....approx. yrs of 1958 hansard gov minister photo spoke to headmistress Beaconsfield visit photo with kids..in google under hansard...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    end 1922 birth.age 21 death..1944 sad....births 1921.like some of my family..mine were army war.......gt your streetview.you could capture now then ..but clipping .the photos of ..back area of photo..as is today online.2 lady teachers one could be headmistress.dorothy...small % grammar..then senior schools local they would go to 1934 sept...school would love to have photo and help you..as oates at... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    southall bowling teams.many yrs southall...colin...happy birthday to john ive 91 later on.still at diff number northcote....gt memories he has...flats built on pub car pk now.......mine of southall..she is 100 november ..gt 2 cards one from queen one from alberta..her son is doing gt celebration..they are out there now....ives and ive..lots in records.from all over...often all sorts of different f... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    penny....good site was friends reunited 50s etc yrs...schools ..under places..click....photos pupils at yrs..teachers pupils memories....email from them yesterday said at last .they are going back to original yr 2000 format...penny so try see get southall grammar.1950s etc yrs..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    dr oates.....has list of all war dead ealing library...several hundreds....booklet....knowsley rd...parish holy trinity uxbridge rd...war dead plaque inside church list names...grammar school .has war dead plaque..Villiers would have kept it...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Apr-2014
    his dad...john ives..1933 onwards southall.to 1972...working yrs he was construction....worked on Wembley.stadium.
    http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/book.html

    your book of several raf ..war..lives research.etc
    southall Hounslow etc.etc.more than usual changes .huge massive exit.since 1960s etc yrs..so photo 1934 ,age 11 school..people have long gone.every each house .they all left to abroad and all ... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Apr-2014
    Harris and Phelp(Philp) the bookies had an office next door to Petries the chemistin North Road. The Harris and Phelp boys were at North Road School with me.
    Mr Harris could be seen most evenings propping up the bar in the White Hart

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    off .so back..sent 2 emails
    to them

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    nice ytube....your sincere speaking to radio 2012..about .your book photos jimmy etc..your 2nd cousin...and 600 more raf .you hope to do....we went to bomber command memorial some mths ago..very well done...jim job before went to war lilian shadowed it and took over...jim s letters..he trained usa for raf pilot....kate middletons gdad trained pilots raf war in Canada...her mum and family tree of ... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Apr-2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9gj3GxJng

    you visited your gt aunt uncle john southall..your dad cousin jim..born 1922 nov..you visit not know boy had grown up there ..but grief must have been .bad for family..sad sincere good wishes..gt log book.raf pilot..bbc radio herts bucks beds...part 1 and 2 bk..also.j k ives.log bk in .good handwriting .in red etc log book.so glad you have.aviator sung... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by john proctor (Member 10290341) on 14-Apr-2014
    The Beaconsfield Road school photo is a charming one in which all the children look carefree. Sad that in ten years young Jimmy would be a pilot in the RAF on the verge of flying operations against Nazi Germany.

    Uncle John had a big tin of those pencils so he must have made regular pilgrimages to Harris & Philp. He was craggy looking but he always seemed pretty jolly and very dapper, often tu... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Apr-2014
    very sad about mabel..with it being only child war death even worse..nan of southall 1st baby died like many did in old days 3 sons 3 daughters.then..but son died tube factory southall green age 19 toxin lungs pneumonia.hillingdon hosp got compensation from sanders factory.know yrs of work practise toxins etc.money payed for nice grave stone verse etc etc southall..1936..but she had to get on gkid... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Apr-2014
    raf Northolt by southall .still very much operational did Olympics typoons.....history1912 ..1st war 2nd war..has museum now..polish section etc.......uxbridge famous churchill king bunker hq ops.battle Britain etc.many have visited..air ministry film today on tv ..appointment in London..my southall cousin.was observer corps .her nephew out in the field with binoculars ..phoned her..she phoned con... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    what..new..easter arisen...from fire yrs derelict.......new northcote pub building preserved architecture front roof......working there today....also new flats ..creamy brown to right in car park....pub shape looks like elderly home or hotel..in new arisen northcote...google will say gazette......should be able know in next few days will post here..................looks gt in sunshine..same as mem... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Good to hear that the dear old Northcote Arms will at least have its roof architecture preserved, and that building is in progress for perhaps a care home or hotel. Anything is better than the wreck it has looked for ages.

    I've just finished reading R.J.Meads book on "The Maypole and Southall Green" and just before the Appendices he said "God forbid that we shall ever see the Water Tower turned... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    yes dark red brick still looks ok...heritage listed...tall gt of q vic saw and asked turrets be added...quite few yrs ago no steam trains use so flats inside it...........read list of heritage southall yesterday.....water tower 1907ish..or so...Allenby rd..probably.........
    ..see photo s ..today of northcote ...ok...all front ..etc...looks gt ok...good work..looks nearly finished...heritage prese... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Apr-2014
    I believe the water tower flats are for single people

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    oh just let me in..log in..sent 2 emails to them...1st time ever that ...but ron said it happened to him....yes denis.for that..small rooms in there .since 1980s..turrets queen asked for better view from her train carriage to Windsor gwr..castle effect....north top west side alleby rd old water tower in google..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    short single pages still not there today ..told them ..but still not back....that short .list of items..on the other section of this...gone now...today

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    In the Water Tower Housing Coperative (WT) it said "It was decided to set up WT Co-op to bid for Government subsidy to house singles and couples in the tower and families in newly built houses on adjacent land."

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    thanks....nice photos of it all...before after..and glass gone in...to make window etc...clever.use........
    .their own private rd..gate .for lock when want goes up through to there....area of the crescent and the straight....west side southall station bridge...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    you spoke.......ha..today seen 3 photos wood Osterley .today taken.good Friday...full of blue bells carpet...gt trees..will put on...

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Thanks Yvonne for the lovely Easter blubells in Osterley Wood on our Southallboard, but better still the old Northcote Arms being renovated looks absolutely wonderful. Will be interesting to know what it's to be used for.

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    loads people used grubhams 40s 50s...memories corner shop...by so many....lucky easter photos northcote fascade..front preserved as best as can..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Apr-2014
    will let you know soon find out what to be northcote ........bluebells so gt ..beauty.2014 just like all yrs ago..fame of those woods.......locked gates at night Osterley..preserved protected...got some in bloom every yr garden under tree.3 lots blue grape hyacinth and forget me not

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Apr-2014
    Yes, I've got quite a few bluebells and white bluebells in my garden which were given to me by an old gardener where I used to work. Have also got masses of Grape Hyacinths everywhere. My husband hated them, but I love to see their blue colour. The only drawback is that although the bulbs are pulled out every year they just seem to multiple threefold! My favourite old tree which I look out from my... more >>

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Apr-2014
    lovely pink blossom....down the roads ..small and also double blousey ..lovely and may bushes blossom..canals etc...we have white cherry garden ..apple pear..Mexican honeysuckle white...reddish blossom and stalks trees roads.forget me not.....magnolia..gt spring..tulips soon over...gt drifts daffs .roads roundabouts etc..

  • Re: Charles Gayford Vernon - Headmaster Southall C S by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 25-Apr-2014
    This is not strictly Southall, but I have added it to my Southall Miscellaney website a copy of a book entitled "Harefield 'at that time of day'" in PDF format. This book provides an insight of what life was like in a Middlesex village in the 19th and early 20th century the URL is:

    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page10.html

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Roaming Dogs by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 7-Apr-2014
I know we often say things were better in the old days but one thing struck me the other day.

We I was young say late 1950's to 66 when I left, we would always see packs of 2 or three dogs roaming round the streets (be it Prefabs or Manaton Cres) and getting into bins and such but these days I never see dogs wandering around. So there at least is some improvement.
  
  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Apr-2014
    rspca has continued gets more and more they are.gt..generally towns urban and rural..people do try..all about dogs...increase as yrs go by urban fox..we have found we are ok going all through the yrs..in our environments.in what we see .or know

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Apr-2014
    Yes Fred I too recall numerous dogs wandering the streets and in the park. They were such a traffic hazard too. I have a vivid memory of seeing dead dogs laying in the back yard of the police station..it upset me as a child. It was quite often I saw them. I can only assume they had been killed on the roads. As you say, much better now. Chris x

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Yes, you're right Fred. It was quite normal in the 30's and 40's to see dead dogs floating in the canal. People used to throw new born puppies and kittens in a bag tied up. It was very cruel. At least we are a bit more caring now, although it was a lot to do with affording things then.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Apr-2014
    It now seems to be horses that now get a bad deal as you due to costs Fred.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Apr-2014
    the national dogs trust also does charity work...few mths ago southall dog found but in short while the owner found an all ok.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Apr-2014
    Haven't seen any dead dogs in the canal recently Pauline, but there have been a couple of drowned foxes.

    On the subject of the canal I have added a couple of pictures of the new towpath between Spikes and Hayes Bridges to my website the URL is:

    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/pag... more >>

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Thanks for the extra photos Colin. It certainly makes the towpath much easier for walking on, especially mums with push chairs. I can see the kids whizzing along on their bikes now. They have certainly tidied the banks of the canal up. There used to be bullrushes, reeds and some lovely coloured grasses when we were kids. If you folded the reeds in a certain way you could make a shrill whistling so... more >>

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Apr-2014
    Cormorants Pauline.

  • Re: Roaming Dogs by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Apr-2014
    Thanks Colin.

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Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 6-Mar-2014
I have just uploaded Richard Meads third book "Southall 830-1982", I hope to add something about the canal to the website in the near future.   
  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2014
    Thank you once again Colin. Lots of lovely reads!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Great Colin. Thanks.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thankyou colin.canal sounds wonderful .we do appreciate

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 15-Mar-2014
    I have now added a couple of photo galleries to my website, they can be accessed from this url:

    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page10.html

    I will be adding more to the page in the future.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2014
    Thank you once again Colin. They are beautiful. Loved the ones with the ducks and swans! Will have another look after breakfast.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2014
    marvellous .thanks colin.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 15-Mar-2014
    I have now added a gallery of pictures of Bekonscot Model Village to the page. You may need to refresh the page to view the link to it.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2014
    HASTINGS SPOKEN OF...TODAY bbc2.5.30..pier fire 2010..restore..glory days 56000 went.celebration seaside piers

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Glad they are restoring Hastings pier saw it a while ago very sad site.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Mar-2014
    Colin-thanks for those beautiful photos of the canals-bring back memories of long ago!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 16-Mar-2014
    I have so enjoyed looking through the archives - thank you.
    On the subject of the restoration of Hastings Pier: do any of you know Weston-super-Mare and, in particular, the 'old pier' named Birnbeck? Sad to say it has been left to rot, pure and simple, and is a complete eyesore which is dangerous and completely unsafe. Glad that Hastings has come up trumps - so many enjoyable day trips to the to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Janice i have lost track of the times i have been up & down the East & West hills in the lifts to the caves & the castle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2014
    yes lots times we been up to castle.lifts etc....this feb bad land slide fairlight...east end of hastings...fish tall nets gt ..gt fresh fish caught...townsfolk are doing trust..with lottery heritage fund...spring 2015 due to open.pier..one of the 1st piers of the country...tv programme today was good.bbc2...we were Weston yr of fire..we were gt on front there had gt days..sand sculpures etc....to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 16-Mar-2014
    Have now added the Southall chapter from the book Ealing Walkabout to the web page as a PDF download

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Mar-2014
    Yes saw rock face slide at the side of Hastings yacht club at rock-a-nore on the news

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2014
    thanks for ealing etc colin......yes film of feb landslides on tv and computer....east end of hastings...baring gap...along from Eastbourne..and down by boscombe pier bournemouth

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Mar-2014
    Does anybody remember any large old fashioned enamel advertising signs on the bridge at Southall railway station in the 1940/50.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Mar-2014
    This rigns a bell with me. From 1948-1951 I was a full time student at the former Northern Polytechnic. I used to travel daily from Southall to Paddington thence by underground to Holloway road.( Cancelled trains didn't happen.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Mar-2014
    Wondered if anyone can recall what they advertised.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Mar-2014
    The only advert I can remember Denis, but don't know if it was at Southall Station was the BISTO advert!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Mar-2014
    When I said BISTO advert I meant the BISTO kids!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Mar-2014
    site back...ha yes bisto kids

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Mar-2014
    I thought we would be of longer than that again, Pauline you could be right i can remember the signs but not who they advertised.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Mar-2014
    lots enamel metal signs in google..1950s cigs etc...Castrol..champion spark plugs local Feltham..fry choc..tea etc.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Mar-2014
    I can remember a Fynnon Salts advert. Don't know where.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Mar-2014
    I remember Brasso Metal Polish and Camp Coffee & Chicory Essence ads. I think Camp could possibly be one of the ones at Southall Station this would have been up to early 60s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Mar-2014
    Yes Fred i think you are right about camp coffee ad.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Mar-2014
    Yes I remember my mum using Brasso and Camp Coffee. The only thing was I just didn't like the coffee, and whenever it came out, I would opt for a cup of tea! I can still see it though in my mind's eye with a screw top bottle!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Mar-2014
    Pauline there was another metal cleaner that you never see now, Bluebell

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Mar-2014
    my mum used bttle camp liquid coffee many many yrs...brasso and bluebell aunt always in cupboard lifetime cleaned her brass ornaments and front door bits.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Mar-2014
    I'd completely forgotten about Bluebell metal cleaner Denis. I've just looked up a picture of it on Google, and yes that was used indoors at some time! I think the two brass candlesticks used to get a birthday polish at Christmas time! I believe I used to polish my Guide's badge or buckle. Can't remember which now.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 24-Mar-2014
    Another chicory coffee was BEV.
    Also i can remember on the large boards outside the station the Guinness advert , of a workman carrying an iron girder.and silver polish was Silvo,and Reckitts Blue,

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    reckitts blue little dye bag.strong blue..we used in the big bath weekly southall..rinse water whiten the whites mangle outside then out on high long line..prop in the middle...bev by lyons..guiness yes..big guiness off western ave..gone now...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    huge advert paper poster boards .adverts..iron bridge.uxbridge rd...high side boards many yrs and today

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    The add boards where at the side of Geo. Cross construction & plant hire yard i think.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    The add boards where at the side of Geo. Cross construction & plant hire yard i think.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    nice bit in google.....g c cross co ltd..sand gravel building haulage firm..1924 did wembley brit exhibition...at start 1919 had yard behind white hart high st uxbridge rd southall...grew so .sussex rd..then to uxbridge rd..1961 100 worked there

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    Geo. Cross also had a small yard in Kingsbridge Gardens near Cranleigh park in the 1950s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    George cross mr meads bk tells of..
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page21.html

    from sussex rd.also went to .up by garage up by iron bridge uxbridge rd..think he talks of southall bus garage opposite asylum....George .cartage haulage contractors...when sand gravil...yes he would be over by canal.transport..off cranleigh way...70yrs tunnel tom dick harry 50 executed 3 got home to uk.7... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    Yes great escape 50 yrs. ago today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Mar-2014
    That should be 70 yrs ago today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Mar-2014
    yes 70 yrs .several vets there..families..lunch news tv.today.30 ft deep off sand 300ft long...then ceremony goes to the graves of the 50 executed.from hitler rage

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Mar-2014
    Mum used to "do her step" every so often with a tin of "Cardinal Red" polish. Lots of people had fresh red doorsteps, but that is certainly a habit that has died out

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Mar-2014
    I think people also yellow stoned there steps to.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    I don't remember yellow Denis, but most people in our terraced houses in Northcote Avenue whitened their steps. I think some kind of white stone was used. Lots just scrubbed their steps.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Mar-2014
    It must be up in the north they used yellow stones then.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 25-Mar-2014
    And black lead on the fireplace.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    On your Canal photos Colin, there is what looks like a large corrugated building on the photo "Looking South between Spikes and Hayes Bridge" with a small red boat or barge before you get to it. It stands higher than the houses. Do you know what it is? I found the bank alongside the canal at Bankside much scruffier than it was in the 1930's when we lived there. All the lovely May trees are gone. I... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    yes black lead bob....yes thought saw may shrubs less gone bankside...warehouses tall big along...west side....as you say one between hayes bridge and spikes....lighthouse.is the firm west side north bit of hayes bridge....couple of live on barges along..we just had roads like Berwick ashford etc out to delemare...have they built some new modern houses west side along canal edge..along there..show... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Mar-2014
    Yes, I recall front and back door step whitened each week. They were scrubbed with a block of hard white chalk, called a DONKEY STONE, not sure why it was called that. The stone had to be wet. Woman used to TUT TUT if someone's step hadn't been cleaned up to scratch! ( standard). Strange custom. Chris x. (Google donkey stone to learn more).

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Mar-2014
    Never saw any yellow steps here down south, and as I did a paper round, I saw an awful lot of steps.

    In those days, in the private houses, more than 50% had papers delivered, but they were out much earlier then, and people would start phoning the newsagent to complain if their papers hadn't been delivered by 7 a.m. by when we were meant to be finished

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    yes chris and images of stone and women using it.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=donkey+stone&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

    so much up north midlands etc.also..and the pride of women doing their scrubbed step.my aunt many yrs did the red cardinal.step and surrounds...yes early newspaper and postman and milkman

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 25-Mar-2014
    Pauline, the large corrugated building belongs to Shurguard, a self-storage company. I think the swans etc. are attracted to Bankside by the staff of the Asian cash and carry on the opposite bank, I've seen them out by the canal putting food out to feed them. The feeding of the birds, I believe, has some connection to the religious beliefs of some of the Asian community, it occurs at a number of p... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    they do it at the London apprentice pub thames also bags of bred and corn..some have corner shops stale..put out but rats is concern....just had show my st.streetview 2012.and close up went around side building tall..warehouse.self storage shurgurd been there long time now...points roof and narrow tall long slits windows ...so my photo...along west side canal must be just there..google can see the... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    photo shurgurd...going north .west side hayes side..road front at canal cars at houses newish modern.with garages.built in part of houses..3 sections going along..///few live on house boat barges moored there swans..3 story high windows...cars parked along..as road edge canal....across other side.tow path would be on east side..to hayes bridge uxbridge rd...nice photo...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Mar-2014
    Thanks for that Colin. It makes sense that the birds will hang around where there's food. I've fed birds for years, but found each winter when it got particularly cold, that rats started appearing near my bird table. One year, they started breeding underneath the shed so I got rid of the shed, and now I don't get the rats. Mind you, two large cats in the vicinity probably help as well! I really lo... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Mar-2014
    I know there were swans opposite the Rec when I was young say 1950s & 1960s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Mar-2014
    we were there 2 yrs ago sunday..official came in white van checked them...they get ringed.queens swans.code on ring at leg..he checked for any string or problem..opposite rec old oak pub....oslo ring on some swans that fly in winters.several local reservoirs .aquadromes .lakes have them//standing at bus stop 10 yrs ago..1st time saw 2 high flying swans along..built up area.houses but..flying off..... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 26-Mar-2014
    I can remember swans being there during the war, they used to cross the dump (now the green) opposite our house top of Regina Rd, for food, but then had to be discouraged as a swan was hit by a car, They always nested in the cutting opposite the Old Oak Tree.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Mar-2014
    ah yes there is the turning hole...near hump bridge opposite the oak pub...yr ago they built tight complex flats there on that whole corner side of bridge east end bit of wentworth rd...with lawn bits for them at canal edge..it shows on streetview 2012 july...show my street...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Mar-2014
    saw some old photos of the council.waste centre...google says it closed down march 2012.gordon rd.ub2 5qe...this last winter local swans have been wandering further..across rd into grass areas bits of front garden etc..get some fresh grass weed that is not for them at their usual.waters edges..cold nights they are glad of food.they all love the correct feed grain

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 26-Mar-2014
    We used to live at 158 Regina Rd Bob, what number did you live at?

    Do you remember our house being bombed in July 1944?

    Although I of course was not born until 1950 by which time it had been rebuilt but the bomb killed my Gran... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 26-Mar-2014
    Fred, I lived at 186. last but one.and born 1939, i know where you lived.after the rebuild. I used to play on the bomb site where your house was. The day the bomb fell , was my first day at St Anselms school, and came home to find our house badly damaged,my next day at school was in Chippenham Wiltshire,

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Mar-2014
    Well Bob, back in 2003 I made contact with Barry Brooker & he wrote :-

    "Yes, I do remember the incident you refer to. We were living in Regina road when the bomb fell, I think it might have been a (doodle bug ). It blew our windows out, and I know it killed people.

    Me and my brother Keith went down to see the damage, and I remember quiet clearly an old piano laying on its side, which we pl... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Mar-2014
    ours was ..nans much loved brought up with.sisters hubby 19 june 1944 fly bomb.5 houses taken out etc.heston..the airport fighters target..no body much to bury..off his bike on way to work age 60..he and brother somme Kaiser did not get him..hitler did..direct hit fly bomb.v1..heston church grave says 1944 his wife 30yrs later in and brother.in......their sons were away at war Europe..2 ladies sti... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 27-Mar-2014
    I remember Barry,always thought his thought his name was Booker. Also melting lead down, making clay moulds from canal bank, and building camps out of water tanks,and trying to avoid the Adelaide Rd gang,who used to cut through the alleys.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 28-Mar-2014
    Actually Bob, you may well be right about Booker
    as opposed to Brooker, I just cut & pasted it from my original notes, so if I put in the extra 'r' in the first place then that's my fault & the more I think about it, it's almost certainly Booker.

    By the way he lives most of the time in Florida now (I think it was) or some warm place in US. Though I of course never actually met him, we corres... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 31-Mar-2014
    Bob & Fred > > You mention two interesting things
    1: The street gangs. Gangs of kids were everywhere. Kids don't play in the streets like that these days in fact they get very little exposure to fresh air! 2: And yes, SO MANY West Londoners kids have emigrated to US/ Canada/ Australia etc. It is very sad to be the last one left of a community when all your chums and contemporaries have mov... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 31-Mar-2014
    Actually Keith, Barry said in his contact with me back in 2003 that he still lived in Southall but spent most his time in Florida (or wherever it was). I'm guessing his children lived there.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 1-Apr-2014
    I drove through Southall today. Town Hall up for rent. Main post office up for rent. Kings Hall up for sale. All very sad.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Apr-2014
    Bill-sad news indeed.These places have been landmarks for generations

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Apr-2014
    kings hall closed dec /jan 2013..methodists cant afford safety roof etc repairs 1912 built..huge place....3 horseshoes under threat...post office more than yr ago they moved work to hayes main pot office parcels etc..civic centre ealing is southall borough ealing council...

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    kings hall sale board up.....town hall to be office space rented...post office small umits inside up for rent..still have not heard of northcote pub

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    Ah your back, remember going to Sunday school at Kings Hall in the 1950s, Southall really is changing now, we used to wait for the Flexmans or Valiant coach on Sunday mornings at the post office to go to Hastings or Eastbourne.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes wide pavement there that big corner post office along to kings hall..decline empty non use kings hall many yrs..Wesleyan Methodists...built 1912 ish...coaches also pick up outside odeon uxb rd..my nan went southend coach trip..50s

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    I can remember going to the Kings Hall from school to sing in the choir. Can't remember why but I think there were other school choirs there as well. This would have been in the 1950s.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes many yrs sch gather concert choirs...huge building space..was used many yrs like that...lots southall kids and people remember it for that...salvation army ..musicians also had gather there and choir etc...50s 60s etc yrs

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    I also went to the King's Hall from SGS to sing in a choir in the early 1940's. I remember we practised for weeks, but can't remember for the life of me what it was in aid of. Also went to Sunday school there. Visited Southall Town Hall from our school for a tour and were shown the Coat of Arms of Southall when we were still in Middlesex, in the 1940's. The main Post Office in South Road was a lov... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    Carol i remember a big gathering of choirs at Kings Hall in the 1950s i think it was a competition between choirs.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Apr-2014
    I can also recall a Sunday evening service being broadcast by the BBC from Kings Hall in the 1950s

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Denis - we obviously didn't win otherwise I would have remembered. I do remember it being a special occasion.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol - I can remember being at the Kings Hall taking part in the choir competition although my school (Dormers Wells) didn't win. Not sure what we sang but remember wearing my favourite green dress for the occasion, it was a hot summer's evening, the Hall was packed, the choirs were on the balcony and the heat rose up from the audience to what seemed like boiling point. It was a great relief ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    yes bbc tv did come to southall 50s...they also went to shackleton hall....2 teams southall sch kids age 10/11.....6 on each..top of the form..quiz..southall..broadcast...northcote pub...the car pk large area east of it right by it now new flats....rest waiting to see if going to be care home.....

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    It occurred to me Yvonne, that the ghosts of the "Northcote Arms" would be amazed to see their favourite watering hole being changed to a Care Home!

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Apr-2014
    would be funny to hear what they would say..so many used it so many yrs..local roads etc..ha...flats already on that side large car pk area..they used to use the 3 little alleys to Alexandra ave..weekend lunch time they loved friends..posh Saturday evenings all dressed up..buzzing with atmosphere of friends.1928.onwards.long yrs..local folk...uncle across rd used to pick one of his flower buds .in... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 2-Apr-2014
    Poor old Kings Hall, I was a cub and then a scout
    of 5th Southall King Hall Scout group. Went on many trips during the summer, but we had to go to Sunday School or we could not be a member. Sunday afternoon the place was packed.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Janice - you obviously remember a lot more than me about the choir competition. I was singing for Dormers Wells too. Also remember at Dormers Wells Senior the BBC came to film a fashion parade. It was on one of the early evening news type programmes but I never got to watch it as our TV went wrong just as it came on.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol, I remember that too. I believe it was for Simplicity patterns. Carol, what was your maiden name, we were probably there at the same time.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Apr-2014
    Hi Lynette - I was Carol Rycraft and was at Dormers Wells from 1957 to 1961. I was sitting in the front row watching that fashion show.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Apr-2014
    Yes, I agree Tom. It was poor old King's Hall. When I looked up in Google about the demise of King's Hall, and when it closed on 31st January 2013, it made me feel very sad when it said, "For the future,it is hoped that it will prove possible to retain some leased space in a re-developed building for worship purposes. In the meantime, the English congregation will meet at Hanwell Methodist Church ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014
    Hi Carol, I was there a bit later than you, 1960-64.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yes Pauline read that on google survey done by 2013.huge cost huge building to repair etc .from 1916 build..not really the Methodists southall..to get bus to hanwell...the primary school next door to kings hall since jan 2013 has offered their space use if any Methodists want prayer etc..

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    carol lyn myself there sept 1960..chris pudney was there just before us..july we saw stage show there gilbert Sullivan girls dressed moustache etc.gondaliers...morris head..gray secretary..ellis .evans..lewis..littler..Tattersall..Gabriel..fischel..chambers..douay..coutts..foot..prefects in corridor..head girl........dinner hut end back field..pe games short maynard bailey jones..eva jones...lowe ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Yes remember most of those teachers. Miss Littler was my form teacher, she taught English. Also, Miss Dwyer who taught arithmatic (as it was called then). She was a little lady who stood on tiptoe most of the time. Also Miss Pinkney who taught French and had a glass eye. We used to play her up something rotten and she left we never knew why?? I was in the netball team and relay team on sport... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Apr-2014
    Another aspect of Kings Hall has reurned to me.
    There were some council offices there. When I was demobbed from the RAF in Sepyember 1948, I had to go there to get my ration book etc.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yes a short teacher...littler English and scripture union..mrs short games..pinkney left..Tattersall took French.....lewis cookery big room right side..along to hall....all demolished yr ago...bbc came.june /july 1966.took 2 of us for interviews.jobs........6 houses..fry red ..nightingale yellow...darling blue..curie white cavell mauve..sobell green........which primary did you come from..many fr... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Apr-2014
    Michael, I also remember queuing up at the council offices in King's Hall for someone's ration books indoors. I can't remember who it was for, but I do know it seemed hours before it was my turn.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014
    I was in Nightingale. Remember all those teachers, also Mrs. Parker for shorthand. Have looked on line at the new Dormers, couldn't quite believe it.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    yellow...nightingale...was cavell mauve..haz hockley sports captain hse badge....white was head girl badge....yes several places in google photos text ..new school 2 yrs in the building..2 tall high cranes were there..swim pool.sports centre..drama centre...IT..art etc..like colleges they are built 11 yrs old to 18...a levels..done there.gce..huge cost .millions..all the.senior schools were new bu... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    I was in Darling house.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    blue .dark blue.badges were also..darling .heroines..lots sport out on field relay baton..discus long jump high jump.javelin...we have just been to torvil dean ice show wembley 10000 of us .gt night was so very very good..we saw them there over 20yrs ago show they did bolero..more build Wembley amazing to see it all...wonderful show.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol..I was at Dormers 56 to 61. 'A' stream. I recall your name, I think. I remember all the teachers mentioned. Also the fashion show. Can you name a few class mates, it might help to jog my memory. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol. I was games captain of Darling House ....1960 I think.. Do you recall the entertainment at a Darling House meetings. There was a girl who used to play the accordion. Did you know MRS BOWLES recently passed away. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Chris - I was in "B" stream. People in my class were Jackie Roots, Lynne (Gwen) Kimmins, Edna James, Gwen Woods, Jackie Phipps, Jean Corkill - can't remember any more at the moment. What was your name?

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    chris will get to you...it is chris pudney was north rd primary before.....which primary did you go to....xx

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    I went to Dormers Wells Juniors - first Juniors when it was newly built. Before that I went to Tudor Road infants.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Apr-2014
    went to dormers infants when 1st open yr 1954...then to juniors caretaker hse at front gate in..then seniors..know dormers lane well ha....tudor juniors caretaker lets you in holiday times many people decades have gone back to visit tudor rd.....juniors dormers we walked left side path..to field stream wood out back nature biology plants lesson.around back of playground......back playground junior... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Apr-2014

    Remember all that in juniors. Played angel Gabriel in school play, Cath Mogg was Mary

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Apr-2014
    Mr Owen was my class teacher at Junior school. Every morning we had to line up with hands outstretched and he inspected them to see if they were clean. If not, then you got a ruler across your hands. Never happened to me though. Remember going on school trip to St Marys Bay.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Apr-2014
    Carol would that be Lady Margaret road junior school there was a teacher called Mr Owen when i was there in the late 1940s to the mid 1950.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol, I remember a school trip to St Mary's Bay. Every day trip they gave us jam sandwiches and when there was a dorm inspection we lost marks because there was a Smiths potato crisp salt packet under a bed.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Denis, maybe I got him name wrong? My teacher at Dormers Wells was Welsh and rode his bicycle to school every day. He wore those old fashioned bicycle clips. He was my favourite teacher at school (even though I obviously can't remember his name).

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Lynette - remember the miniature railway - all the engines had different names - and the oast houses. Every evening we played a game which I think was called boxball. I've never heard of it or seen it played since.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    Weston super mare on bbc tv national news now on..new pier..new seafront area..shops..and flats..new cinema leisure restaurants plan

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    denis several teachers moved to the new opened primary dormers after 1954..he could have..older spinster miss wright horrid moved to new infants 1954 from north rd.primary.front playground bell line up silence........I was mary nativity dormers infants parents came audience.gabriel etc.I was right front corner stage..blue outfit..joseph babe etc shepherds .etc..

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I think you may be right Yvonne as i left L.M.R in 1954 so it could fit in.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    yes they loved idea new school opened 1954.might be bit of promotion..miss wright was so very bad horrid person.3 yrs put up with her age 5.on..infants

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Glad I wasn't imagining Mr Owen. I don't remember any other teachers. Remember school dinners with two tables joined together. We were made to eat everything so things you didn't like we pulled the tables apart and dropped between them. Hated the cheese pie.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    If it is the Mr Owen i think he was a great teacher just before we left L.M.R juniors in 1954 he took us on a school trip to Sipson farm it was a baking hot day when we had been shown around the farm we whent to the barn & sat on straw bails then we were given ice cold Coka Cola to drink we had a super day out.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    denis farm sounds gt.......don't remember dinners infants juniors..remember playground...and clearly dinner hut back field dormers seniors ..prayer..rows tables each side..queue up cold winter wait for space..about 8 to table...queue lady dinner counter meat pie she cut out ..mash.veg..pink custard choc cake..if lucky..liver sometimes cabbage...sure owen and wright both left their juniors infants ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I have to say i really enjoyed school meals both at L.M.R & Dormers in the old canteen now gone

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    Yes that takes me back Yvonne queuing in the cold outside the canteen if i remember the canteen was split in half girls one end & boys the other end with the kitchen in the middle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I think school dinners were 3/6d a week then, seem to recall L.M.R had a dumb waiter to bring the dinners up from downstairs to the juniors in the hall upstairs it was on the side of the building in the quadrangle.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    yes split dinner huts kitchen in middle...seniors cant remember cost...gave at class form morning time...taken to secretary office with registers done..2/6 5 bob..cant remember.........kitchen hut now nursery school entrance at Allenby rd.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Can't remember how much the school dinners were in the juniors but do remember I took money to school in a knotted hanky. Remember the maypole dancing and on sports day I was winning the running race when I fell over right by Mr Owen. Everyone ran past me and he was shouting get up and run, get up and run and so I did, overtook some and think I came about 3rd or 4th. Very disappointed as I was ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    I was in Mr Owens class all the time i was in junior school at Lady Margaret Road, yes Carol you are right he was a super teacher.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    won a sports day race once age 6 ish won exercise book pencil and thing....yes maypole was good out on grass..right south side of infants school....we had lesson out on grass summer..head on desk end day infants 15 mins shut eyes before walk home

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 4-Apr-2014
    The 1959 film of Thirty Nines Steps with Kenneth More had a scene inside Kings Hall, I seem to remember.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol - Do you remember a little prayer that we all said in Tudor Road Infants at the end of the afternoon just before we went home.
    Hands together softly so
    Little eyes shut tight
    Father just before we go
    Hear our prayer tonight.
    I can still hear the tune to it i... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    Pauline - vaguely remember that. I do remember doing some dancing at one time where we were in four groups and each group represented England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and did supposedly appropriate dancing for each one. Had to wear appropriate costume so it must have been for something special. I was representing Ireland and remember wearing a big green sash and green skirt.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can't remember a lot about Tudor road Infants. I can remember getting some plasticine stuck in my hair, and the teacher had to cut a lump of my hair off as she couldn't get it out. I think I kicked up a bit over that.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can't remember an awful lot about infant school either except I can remember puzzling over how to write the letter "S" and wanting to do some drawing and couldn't remember the word for drawing for some reason, so I asked if I could do some scribbling. Only other thing I remember is going home with another girl instead of getting the coach.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Apr-2014
    we did country dance in school clothes grey skirt uniform dormers juniors in hall..sets of 4 of us...to 1960 yr left july age11.....photo of hall country dance juniors dormers in friends reunited school photos section...195/8/9 ish yr

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Apr-2014
    Lots of memories today, I remember the saint Mary's bay trip at LMS, the Romney Hyth and Dymchurch light railway was an unbelievable experience as the locals
    used this small railway to go to work. It's still running today.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Apr-2014
    Carol - Do you remember the white cowrie sea shells (at least I think that's what they were called) that were first used in the Infants class at Tudor road for counting. I can see them as clearly as anything in my mind's eye. I've never seen them since, but have just found them on google.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    No Pauline I don't remember the seashells. Can only remember doing writing. Can remember the first hymn we learnt at school was "All Things Bright and Beautiful". Don't know whether that was at infants or juniors though.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Apr-2014
    Just sat here watching "have I got news for you" and they are taking the Mick out of the mist around the UK this week. I'm sure we can all remember the real London smogs we had to put up with as kids.
    Not allowed to play in the playgrounds on entering school, sent straight into the classrooms and no play times. Not for a couple of hours but days on end. The youth of today........

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Apr-2014
    Tom i remember a smog 1953/54 i think it lasted about a week we all grouped about then the clean air act was introduced.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Apr-2014
    I can remember smog in about 1962. I was working in Greenford and had to walk home along the Greenford Road. Couldn't see your hand in front of your face, couldn't see kerbs or anything.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    smog 62 great freeze 63..was bad times getting about,walking buses etc

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Apr-2014
    16th April 1951 the British submarine HMS Affray went missing with the loss of 75 lives. and was not found until 14th June. I mention it because I was at Western Road Primary school and in assembly we sang the hymn "For all in peril on the sea" . Now whenever I hear those words I am taken back to sitting cross legged in the school hall hearing about the Affray. Strange what events stick in the mem... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes and primary school is more difficult..seniors we had the big wood board.slot in hymn numbers at wall of stage .left side high with hymn number usually 3 figures...hymn bks..supplied by mcc...6 yrs we sang all of them really..so many we hear sunday we sang..yes rows sitting cross lef floor...he polished it for sept new open.yr..high shine floor sept annually..wood block..400 or so kids girls school.seniors

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    In Dormers Wells Seniors assembly in the morning was a competition between girls and boys, with a only a sliding partition between the two halls it was sometimes who could sing the loudest and drown the others out.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    Carol i remember that at Dormers.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    Bill its funny you mention the Affray i remember in Feb 1952 the struggle to save the Flying Enterprise cargo ship with a tug called Turmoil they fought for day to get it to safety in Devon it almost got there & then sunk i think all the nation followed the news

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Apr-2014
    That should read days not day.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes only partition girls boys hall...both had double doors out back onto path of long row classes huts along.....1960 to 66 miss morris spinster older lady.headmistress 10yrs or so..there.....no competition..we never really saw the boys...it seemed like 2 far schools the way it was organised...she just had girls school east side and that was it...never seemed to be in back row ..by partition....gt... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Well we could see the boys occassionally and vice versa - in the playground we were not supposed to go any further than the dustbins as I remember. Going to assembly, you could see the boys doing the same opposite and could wave if you saw anybody you knew and the same going to the annexes. Other than that it was two separate schools. I think the boys could get the slipper or cane? but the girl... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes head offices by each other main front door only staff used their staircase up to their 2 staffrooms...funny ..6 yrs there hardly saw boys.ha..straight into classrooms..our corridors.hall..new science block.library art built far ..right ....boys far off to left west...just funny never really saw them..huge classes girls school..seemed loads of us.our field hockey ..relay javelin high jump etc.... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 5-Apr-2014
    I've just been having a 'catch up' and see that Yvonne mentioned the teacher Miss Wright. I was at North Road when Miss Ackrill was Headmistress. Miss Wright was my teacher in the infants class and on the first morning at school my mother, concerned in case I might be hungry before dinnertime, gave me a small bread and butter sandwich wrapped in greaseproof paper and told me to ask the teacher to ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Apr-2014
    Yes Janice. I had MISS WRIGHT in the infants and MISS HANVEY first year of juniors. I will never forget them. So strict ...cruel even. Miss HANVEY made me stay late on the last day of term to practice my hand writing. Whilst doing this MRS FELTS came into the classroom and MISS HANVEY told mrs Felts in a very loud voice that I was lazy and would never be as clever as my sister. How wicked. ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    I don't remember ever being hit with a ruler or anything else. Worst teacher I ever had was the infamous Miss Evans - that's if you can call her a teacher as she never taught anybody anything, she just intimidated and terrorised them. I think I had a pretty easy time at school really.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    I went to Tudor Rd school infants until Dormers was built. I hated it there and spent a lot of time crying. It seemed so far from home, the prefabs, going there on a coach, waving bye to my mum. When Dormers opened, I loved it. Could walk to school, sit outside in the summer for lessons and juniors was just as good. Miss Parker was lovely and I was sad to leave. Dormers senior was ok and yes, Miss... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Lynette - we must have gone on the same coach to Tudor Road school. I went straight into the first year of juniors at Dormers Wells.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    Carol, we must have been on the same coach. Dormers was so different from Tudor Road. Where did you live in the prefabs. I lived Osborne Rd, off Flemming. Did you know Pat and Christine Kimmins, also Anne Lawrence? Next to the Kimmins was the Williams family.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Apr-2014
    What a shame you hated dear old Tudor Road school Lynette. I started there when I was 5 years old in 1936 and was living at Bankside by the side of the canal. I used to walk there with a few children who were older than me. I went to Junior school there from Northcote Avenue, on the large council estate during the war, and absolutely loved it. I can understand you feeling unhappy so far from home ... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Lynette - I was friends with Lynne (Gwen) Kimmins who lived in Faraday Road. Still in touch with her. She was a cousin to Pat. I lived in second parade right down on the Greenford Road end. I used to walk to Dormers (Juniors) across the Golf Links. I loved it there.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 5-Apr-2014
    Hi Chris, I had similar experience as you. During one Parents Evening, my mother spoke to Mrs Hanvey about my brother who could do no wrong in her eyes, it seemed. During the course of conversation Mrs Hanvey suddenly realised my brother had a sister named Janice and said in a very loud voice "Janice, Janice Johnson is his sister?" I was such a numbskull in her eyes.

    Hi Carol, I lived in Farada... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Apr-2014
    Don't know what number Faraday Road but it was on the corner at the Longridge Lane end.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 5-Apr-2014
    My sister lived on Faraday Road, no. 12. She moved there around 1966-7. The Bartons lived in the house before, a family of boys.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    Janice...chris and I think wright came to new open dormers infants 1954to 1957 yrs..etc...from north rd.....awful cruel etc...talking she kept on about etc..elderly spinster brown clothes boot shoes sch marm.......must have retired in 60s 70....did gazette say she retired from dormers infants...thanks...yes evans Ofsted would have sacked her 1st week morris covered up for her over10yrs..she retire... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Apr-2014
    HANVEY, WRIGHT & EVANS.....all left us with bad memories. We must remember there were more good teachers than bad. Like life. I believe there are more nice people in this world than bad. Good teacher who come to mind. North Road..Mr Russell, Mrs Felts, Miss Gregson, Mr Hancock. Dormers ...Mrs Bowles, Miss Litler, Miss Dobing, Mrs Parker, just to name a few. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Apr-2014
    yes good people quiet .and not notice...the few small %.trouble ones notice more a bit effect lives feelings but never mind......yes fischel lewis.ellis chambers coutts foot etc good at dormers .parker at juniors good.....but evans wright came from earlier 20th century when I was talking to a teacher about things and seeing tv films have seen that they came from horrendous schools upbringing.them... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Apr-2014
    Blimey . And i thought Nuns were bad .

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Apr-2014
    Miss Evans - do you remember she used to say at beginning of lesson "what am I thinking" or "what is today". When nobody could answer we sat in silence through the whole lesson - or she would pick on somebody and bully them if they couldn't answer. I got sent out of the classroom once, can't remember why, but stood in corridor for whole lesson rather than in class. What a waste of time, unbelie... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Apr-2014
    BOB. Miss EVANS at Dormers taught RE....she should have been kind and caring but she was EVIL. No-one had a good word for her. How she got away with it I will never understand. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Apr-2014
    Yes Carol I think she started most lessons like that. She seemed to delight in making people cry. As I said, an EVIL HORRID person. I was put out in the corridor once because I dared to challenge her. Got me nowhere, but I tried. Chris x

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    glad you challenged her chris..well done..morris covered up for her morris born haversfordwest west wales went back died there at retire..1955 to 1967 evans there.must be..4 yrs A stream we suffered her..exact those words carol...so..hundreds lessons kids she did same thing every hr..never mixed with staff stayed in that room of hers..she got more more insane mad....lyn..one kid front row tried to... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    gert evans..welsh origin...Dorothy morris .welsh .1967 .65 yrs old ish..born.1900s..came from.eccentric.edwardian upbringing and bad schools.in those long yrs...evans would NOT have gone to teacher training college...she hated kids..none social with adults..Wesleyan religion upbringing probably and got her job in teaching..silent lessons ..to all classes .over 10yrs..money for old rope payed her r... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Apr-2014
    I think the girls who got sent out of the classroom were the ones she knew she couldn't get to.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    yes makes sense carol...so many yrs most of her life she had that stupid bad brain...Ofsted so good sack immediately

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 6-Apr-2014
    At Dprmers Wells in particular, one cruelty was practised by a few teachers by using poorer children as punishment. For example, there was one lad who always wore the same shabby clothes, always had a sniff, slightly smelly and was put in a desk by himself. Whenever another child misbehaved they were made to sit next to this lad as punishment. It happened to me one time and I found that he was a k... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 6-Apr-2014
    Janice, never experienced that when I was at school but still all girls then. Though was not unhappy there, wanted to leave to earn money, a bit more than a pound that I got for my Saturday job. Enjoyed most teachers but Miss Evans was horrible. Really learnt nothing in the four years I had her.

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    very sad Janice was that dormers juniors...long increase improve schools mainly..special needs pastoral..extra staff ..for problems..it works well in c of e senior school I worked 32 yrs..more modern times.........1940s 50s war and its problems..country was poor.needed more understanding of kids sensitive quiet shy trying to cope with many things not of their fault..not to be treated bad as well n... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Apr-2014
    I'm afraid Janice that this cruelty didn't just apply to Dormers Wells. I can remember during the war and we were in a classroom at Tudor Road which was in the hut in the playground. This was in the Juniors. There was a distinct smell of 'pee' in the hut, and Miss Rumming our teacher wanted to know where this smell was coming from. We all knew where it came from, but the teacher went around the en... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Apr-2014
    Pauline..terrible Pauline..1940s as if war itself was not bad enough...30s bad also..spoke to teachers and they said.it was a slow.change from..the very old ways..of just some so called teachers..they had come from way back when bully side of it was why some joined the profession.a kick out of being a bully...they had come from that life themselves when young....but...it can be today in some.urban... more >>

  • Re: Final R J Meads book uploaded by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Apr-2014
    awkward getting site today.....unless my old old computer..ha..gt Australia newzealand today 3 weeks..close up photos google George 2 bottom teeth knitted white cardy,,says crawling teething..active alert as always..gt red outfit kate.gt tour items..3 weeks 24 hr plane home..43 yr old Spanish nice nanny

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Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
I just wanted to say Colin that you first mentioned that what you would come up with in your Full Archive may not be very elegant. Well, I can disagree with that because the Knowhere Archive is extremely elegant, plus it's much easier to access than our usual site, as when we use one set of dates in which we are interested, the dates turn red, so it's much quicker to get it again. Every Link that ... more >>   
  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Mar-2014
    Thanks for your kind words Pauline. I'm working on the section on R.J. Meads books at the moment, I should have the first one "Growing Up with Southall" finished by tomorrow in PDF format. I do already have websites for each book, but they do not always work properly and leave out sections of pages for some reason I do not understand.
    Will post a message when first book is ready to download from the new site.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
    Will look forward to it Colin. R.J. Mead's books are excellent.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2014
    have so much enjoyed colin your norwood green this weekend 1960s...then yr 2000..so special so lovely ..big thankyou..very sepecial indeed...local history society Ruislip..has been going so many yrs like many 1930s..local people meeting evenings once week village hall...Hillingdon etc...so nice now computer virtual meetings chats ..nostalgia heritage info..with like minded people..of common intere... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2014
    Sorry, I should have said R.J. Meads books!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 2-Mar-2014
    Growing Up with Southall is now uploaded, ignore the message on the home page saying that the R.J. Meads page is not working and just click on the link at the top of the page.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    lovely thanks colin..all your gt work much appreciated by all of us.huge gratitude

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thank you Colin. Except I can't load R.J. Meads now. I can click on the links now for the others now OK. Can somebody paste a link on here please so I can get to it. Thanks.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 2-Mar-2014
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page2.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thank you

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    "Growing Up With Southall" is one of R.J. Meads books that once you start reading it you can't put it down. It's great to have all these treasures linked together thanks to you Colin.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    yes meads is good..he.died 1982 lifetime southall....carol...digging digging in google..index...found couple info

    http://www.origins.net/help/aboutbo-LondonBurials-mdx-parishes.aspx

    st john king st southall..number burials figure.1860 to 1866 ..264........
    st mary norw green...1783 to ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    carol....in google......hayes parish.was also southall..green...
    church book page date ,,name age sometimes address

    st john king st 1860 to 1946
    st mary norwgree..1813... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    good read by coulter of southall in google..
    and war etc info.etc local hist books..in google...
    http://southallbackwhen.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?orderby=updated

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Thanks Yvonne - so helpful as usual. Just been reading/skimming through Mr Mead's book - fascinating. What a wonderful piece of local history.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    Yes, R.J. Meads book is a wonderful piece of history. Even when I've read this book before, I wondered whatever time the young boys in the family had to leave in the morning to take their father's breakfast and dinner over to him at the Windsor road building site as well as going to school!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    mr meads 1906 and yrs..kids school etc..my aunt born 1914..they had to do work for pennies to help her mum..before school.the common canal.southall northhyde..depot there.they worked..fish barrow they cleaned cold hands very early mornings...etc..then go off to Featherstone rd boys school western rd girls school.afterwards.,gdad born along there 1890..kids worked helping the labourers brickmaking.... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    Britain from above photos 1937 in google...so close clear of canal ,,spikes bridge .municipal pk..etc..houses etc..so much individually can see there..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    I find it amazing that there is so much detail about costs of things and wages. 54 hour week when you left school and then give three quarters of wages to your mum. I know when I first went to work I got £3.10s.0d a week and of that I gave £2.00 to my mum. I thought I was hard done by. Are the original houses in Cambridge Road still there or are they new buildings? I worked in the parade of... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    I started work at 14 in 1945 and my first wage was £1-09d. Out of this I had to put by my bus fares to Greenford by the Western Avenue roundabout and give some to my mum. I don't remember how much, but I still thought I was rich with what I had left. That was the only wage I can ever remember earning.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    meads born about 1906 yrs around then died 1982 ish....overtime.in.30s 50s.my southall family found the extra hrs long hrs was essential pay the bills.....labourers strikes 30s .union.s..get low wage peoples wages better...hard work long hrs.hard conditions.seasonal work often..only......50s 60s etc.glad to get overtime to pay hp..on bits furniture etc needed

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    street view in google is good for Cambridge rd....showmystreet.com.........goes out onto south rd..few different shops of those little parades there.....but going into high..st uxbridge rd..servis home electrics shop by .George dragon pub demolished..we have 1956 photo of...put southallboard into google.....parade changed type of shops...coffee along..abbotts along..new tall office block near whit... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Mar-2014
    In the Southall Miscellany it says Richard James Meads was born on 26th July 1904 and died in 1988 shortly before his 84th birthday.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 2-Mar-2014
    HI Carol;
    I too worked at Home electrics in South Road in the Service Dept at the Rear. I remember Bob Ellis,Eric Eastman, Bob Perry Fred Hood, Harry Golding, Peter Golding. I first worked for Home Electics at there Greenford Shop, I was with Ted George TV Aerial Erecting. Until 1952 when I was called up for National Service. happy Days.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    that's lovely Pauline gt to know.detail...so the.old photo of old servis home electrics high st moved probably to south rd...radios etc..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Oh yes Dennis, I remember the Goldings. Mr Golding was the boss and he had one or two sons I think. May be wrong.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Mar-2014
    Somewhere in South Road opposite that parade of shops - does anybody remember there being a furniture shop? If so, where exactly was it?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    the palace cinema..opposite....right north side of cinema...think furniture etc..several yrs..webbs was it..in photos webs by..there ...got 9 interior photos of Chinese oriental palace gaumont cinema south rd by coles dragons huge at oriental roof listed heritage building today.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2014
    1961 and yrs photo....on our board tonight..webbs furniture right north side of palace called then odeon cinema south rd....west side..so across the rd....red letter box..on east side opposite.with.bank corner...parades shops..south rd.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 2-Mar-2014
    Clifton Brown was the department store opposite the cinema in South Road, and I think they sold furniture too. It was Clifton Brown in South Road and Clifford Evans, another department store, in Southall Broadway,

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes lovely phyl clifton brown.furniture.......Clifford evans broadway 1950s later on became Edmunds.south side after butlers..going along.....best wishes phyl big thankyou to you..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    phyl...1960s photo..of webbs..right side of palace odeon cinema south rd ..north side next to cinema..what did webbs sell....thanky ou..all good wishes to you and yours...st mary now online..nice page web..in google..saw.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    our famous Clifton brown southall so many yrs....
    http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/s/t/r/Celia-Strachan/index.html

    1800s somerset.timber .coopers.
    1900 2 were publicans ..1 moved to London
    one became shop assista... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Furniture shop - whatever it was called. I can remember going every week with my mum going upstairs with a book to pay in money to save up for a certain piece of furniture - can't remember what it was. A bit like HP but paying in every week before you actually brought anything. Bit like a savings club I suppose. Seems really strange now.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Did there used to be a cake shop next to Woolworths?

    Does anybody remember there being a photographer outside Woolworths, stopping people to take their photo? I had mine taken when I was 7 which seems out of character for my mum to have it done, but I have the evidence of me standing outside Woolworths with old fashioned prams in the background.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    The ABC restaurant was next door to Woolworths but don't remember any photographers in my time.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    I remember going in the ABC with mum i always had ice cream.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    the shops high streets locally...50s 60s...was a thing of gazette photographer..standing..if you had luck to be chosen for gazette .your photo went in outside shops..£5...1970 my aunt and me were photographed..in post got large b/w photo of us .5inch by 5 inch ish...yes hp..50s 60s ..nearly all used..pay weekly..drapers also for stuff...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    what was the name of the well known toy shop king st...post office was there...thanks..40s 50s 60s.....

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Another shop - I think in King Street - called Meyers Greengrocers. Just round the corner from that shop is a sign saying Liptons. I have two photos of family members taken at almost the same spot, one of my maternal grandmother and one of my dad's sister - both taken before my mum and dad got together. They are on opposite side of road to shop called Meyers and walking down the road opposite, ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    lovely carol..we will try manage to see your photos sometime...hope to find a way......
    .toy shop king st south side opposite what became woolworths ..toys Rodgers...divanies......old post office and other shops along.......kihg st

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    Was it the Havelock Arms Carol?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Pauline - I always did think it was the Havelock but when I look at the building on Google now it doesn't look anything like it. Maybe they changed the outside of it? The Havelock always was a popular pub with my family.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    Havelock pub became betting office couple yrs ago..same façade though.north side by rd to cemetery.opposite old st john church king st..........along further going east along by woolworths became..was black dog pub became religion now demolished...big white swan..on corner ..regina rd norwood rd area.now religion centre many yrs........king Prussia became victory pub..now victory hotel on corner ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    Meyers on corner our old photo is opposite corner to Havelock pub shiny tiles Victorian Edwardian pub architecture..façade kept but 2 yrs now been betting office inside

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Thank you. Such a shame the old windows and tiles have gone. I don't like what they have done with the inside of St John's either.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    new 1907 st john..had refurbish couple yrs ago..ceremony opening .heavy exterior high walls of new st john.....church ave..photos in google bright deep blue modern inside..........old st john king st ..got covered in ivy many many yrs old tombs..been locked up many yrs.1837 built.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    in google sites Havelock pub...2 photos go on southallboard windows..low around shiny tiles.edwardian..says 2012 apr closed ..old saloon bar trying to keep as pub rest Ladbroke betting office inside kept façade..corner .king st.board 7 photo....37 king st...show my street.in google... van camera july 2012 ish..would show it..in google...side photo good shiny tiles..walking along to cemetery .gate... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    There was also Lodges toy & book shop in King st. nearly across from Woolworths.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    lovely thanks denis....they think toy shop near top lady marg rd 1960s .was devines
    Ruislip rd going across

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    The only toy shop at the top of Lady Marg. Road i can think of was just after Hillside Road in the long block of shops & flats, they also sold domestic appliances to.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    I have 1960s photo of Devines in Lady Margaret Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    thanks denis..1960s.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    Carol does it show where at the top of L.M.R.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    It was opposite the block of flats. Three blocks of flats.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Opposite Neal Avenue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes hillside is nearly opposite neal..so yes that parade shops...east side ..gt you two...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    Yes Carol we are talking about the same shop, it is now an Asian motor car parts store.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Next door to Devines on the left hand side was a cafe I think.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    I think you are right, it is now a posh Asian restaurant, there was another newsagent/toy shop across from Kenilworth Grdns. stairs ran up the side to the flats at the back.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Just been looking at shops on Google and studying my photo. Looks like the shop that was Devines is now City Toys and next door to the left is Casa Gino Cafe.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    I remember the newsagents but couldn't tell you exactly where it was in that parade of shops.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes gino 484 lady marg rd.on map carol...south to right..is Lahore spice restaurant..all along east side today in google..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 3-Mar-2014
    I have now added Richard Meads second book "The Maypole and Southall Green" to the website. You may need to "refresh" the RJ Meads page before it will appear in your browser.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2014
    Thanks Colin. By tapping Control and Plus twice it comes up much darker. Looking forward to reading it all.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    maypole good thanks cousins granddad worked there many yrs.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Mar-2014
    Colin - Looks brilliant, you are clever. I can get straight onto it now. Don't know what is different. Thanks for your hard work.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2014
    yes thanks colin so much.......2 names similar .....so king st...opposite.lodges...is devaneys ,next door to hardy electricala..timothy whites..taylors chemist..kings st..so nice to know.lucky grateful for names...king st last but one.cycle shop..hardy cycles..later the post office moved next to dadeks bakery..nice to have memories.good people who remember

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2014
    My mums aunt owned La roundys (not sure of spelling) tool shop across from the black dog

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Mar-2014
    The ABC was next to Woolies in The Broadway, and my friend Sheila Iddenden will remember her Mum's friend, who we called Aunt Rose, taking us both there for ice cream, which was served in a little silver dish. We thought we were the cat's whiskers! Re King Street shops, my husband's Uncle and Aunt owned the tobacconist/sweetshop (I think may still be called King's)there for many years before they retired.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes silver dish phyl...kings was well known name at kings st..kings the printers..going back in time.long time ago.at king st.office of kings printers.... and also high st southall uxbridge rd gazette.kings printers

  • Re: Colin's Archive by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yes phyl I remember her well she had no childrenand would spoil me , one day she took me to DHEvans in london for afternoon tea not the sort of thing our family could afford to do i also remember going to the abc and my mum used to order milk and a dash very posh back then..phyl we were lucky children both of us were spoilt but well brought up nither of us wanted for anythingt

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Mar-2014
    I think the full name was King & Hutchings the printers of Uxbridge.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    In Richard Mead's book he tells the story about William Gardiner who was tried for murder twice and then moved to Southall and opened a shop. Does anybody know what shop it was?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2014
    This reminds me of a murder,I think on the 1950's. A couple lived in the flat over a cafe adjacent to the Gem cinema. During a quarrel the man killed his wife!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes denis .old photo high st uxbridge rd 1900s poster kings printers.....soutall gazette became....CAROL..in google William gardiner southall........Suffolk murder rose harsent .1902...gardiner moves to southall..shop..corner queens rd Hartington rd southall green west side 1902 yrs.
    http://www.everything2.com/title/The+Peasenhall+Mystery

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    http://murderrevisited.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/murder-in-peasenhall.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    married with 6 kids....http://unsolvedmurderuk.wikispaces.com/Rose+Harsent
    1911 census would have him at the shop.if anybody pays ancestry for the image page..to see copy details...
    oates librarian ealing written lots books local murders..and local history..it will be in them..talks at ealing library every yr also...
    rillington place 1950/3.john Christie was uxbridge southall between wars arres... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    Ipswich trial 1903...http://en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/William-Gardiner-(clergyman)

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    William dark beard hair drawings in court..scroll and use arrow bar slide drawings etc there..
    http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/faces-in-court-1893-1918-drawings-of-william-hartley-from-new-scotland-yards
    rose harsent .and William gardiner is the next one.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2014
    On a happier note, I loved the tale in R.J. Meads book when a Miss Hancock kept a Ladies' Wear shop in King Street for quite a few years. She thoroughly objected to the Male sex stopping to look at her display of Ladies' underwear etc. in her window that she would shoo them away with threats of a bucket of water thrown over them to cool their ardour - and has done so from the upstairs window!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    free 1914 post office directory in google..William George gardiner 63 Hartington rd southall green....google says shop corner queens rd and Hartington rd...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    map has ..numbers Hartington..one to 46 onwards ..with 63 being up at corner with queens rd...number 1 is in the opposite far end,,,

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    1911 census shows William Gardiner living at 63 Hartington Road - same address in Electoral Roll in the 30s. In 1911 it says he was a carpenter. Son Ernest worked as a Porter on the railways. He had another two children after moving to Southall. At least three of the children were married at St Johns.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes on address roads section of post off directory 1914...63 is shop keeper...probably general shop 1914....one to 63 north side.hartington rd as meets queens rd..says shop keeper will George gardiner...his wife georgina..she gave him aliby at trial.said in bed night...but fire newspaper blood knife loads said will guilty letter written to girl who had lovers was 6 mths pregnant .got murdered.cut ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    gt..1914 says 63 shopkeeper will gardiner..you got georgina as wife......junction queens rd..north side of Hartington.is 63.......1911 carpenter..1903 was trial..think he was guilty from the 4 articles sent you trial etc..forensic today would prove..gt to have electoral roll good

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    1911 yrs southall green etc..brickmaking fields loads rows rows houses being built factories growth town..loads worked wood houses windows roof etc.carpenters.plasterers bricklayers labourers..so yes....his wife 1911 /1914..63..shop..may have kept eye on shop small open.......number rooms often 4 rooms on your 1911 census page.image page says..train suppose they came to southall..burials be Havelo... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yes Georgiana was his wife. His full name was William George Last Gardiner and he died in 1941 aged 73. Georgiana died in 1949 aged 81.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Census page says there were 6 rooms

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    In 1911 there were 5 children at home. Oldest daughter had married and two other girls were in Suffolk with aunt/uncle.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    loads on genes reunited doing his family tree..1878/9 born peasenhal Suffolk.....63 post office says William...georg...gardiner shop keeper 63 ...could refer to wife georgina.1914.shopkeeper share him seasonal work carpenter.......my gdad s brother had sweet shop northhyde terrace end house but used front sache window 1890s 1900s...as was fashion..home plus sell out of front.section...small 3 room terraced place...

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    gt lovely carol...yes post office said George his middle name oh 2 girls left with aunt Suffolk...5 kids none dead 1911 so good says yrs married kids died..so his marriage yr Suffolk...oldest.married with him.she could help with shop..yes 6 rms..end terrace bit extra room space..5 at home...think cut throat girl was carrying his 6mth baby womb..ernest walk to southall station across rd porter..191... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Son Ernest William Gardiner in 1939 was living at 4 Belmont Avenue with second wife Eva Caroline. First wife died I think in childbirth - they had two children both died. Then Ernest and Eva had three children, all born in Southall. Ernest started work on the railway when he was 14. Railway record.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    lovely 1939 getting to modern times...many towns of country..would be 2014 family.continue......but southall and around unique 1960s and going going..huge population of families roots southall and by 1970 most so many gone..pity.......only male carries surname..if they are middx Northolt etc..Hillingdon..genes reunited loads doing tree..but some may be because well known murder case......seasonal ... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    lovely so he was only little bit south of them..by western rd montague Waltham rd junction..sad 1st wife....our one same..pre age30 died southall green childbirth after having few children...age 14 rail..1911 porter..perhaps he stayed as that.born Suffolk.1898 yrs.ish ......age 22 William age23/4 /5..at trail..murder cut throat 6 mth pregnant says.permiscuous girl of lovers..Ipswich court...ernest... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    yes few doing tree ernest born peasonhall Suffolk 1893..sylvia Andrew..1897/8 ipswich.which would be the reg dist..ernest by a few others..sad time..hard for the family..but busy life southall.ern about 8/9 /10 yr old at trial

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    1964 still living at Belmont Avenue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - I was only looking into the family as just curious to see whether any of my lot were connected but they are not. Interested to see where they were living and what he did afterwards.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    1964 that's gt ..they are the yrs now many most moving out...ern born 1897ish.so he may be passing now..good family best wishes to them..sad start...many of the southall families married across to others.local.so names known by many..neighbours friends workmates etc..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    http://www.everything2.com/title/The+Peasenhall+Mystery

    at the end says gardiners wife georgina cut throat of 6mth pregnant girl in jealousy..81 years old georgina lived to.southall.green..1949.
    forensic today would have found out who did it 1902....film by author historian Julian fellows of fame...said georgina..investigates series he did

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 4-Mar-2014
    Says he took over a grocers shop

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    was my guess grocers so popular needed that complex terrace hses rds..said general store as my guess...gt thanks.....Clarence st had famous sweet shop..and general store.many yrs half way along road in terraced houses long row..148 etc some roads had hse numbers

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    kew archive online southall green..sales..1912.63/61 Hartington rd sale .6 rooms could be 2 lots 3 rooms terrace or not..corner area..north side..he may take on by 1911 then buys it 1912 or......1906 aug sales of section terraces Clarence st..and spencer st..usually rented from the owners,,sometimes the builders or brewers if near pub..
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2014
    several links in google.so much written...his handwritten letter to her there.to see. put light on at 12 .midnight will come then..twice jury could not agree.that he cut the throat half burnt body.6mths pregnant..william1902 carpenter at small factory Suffolk.6 kids..choirmaster at Methodists.
    http://www.trialrun.com/pop-ups/pop-up_indicators/d-6.html

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Mar-2014
    Re Devaneys in the King St ,only one half of the shop was toys the other half was a sports shop ie everything to do with football ,cricket, fishing tackle.and bait, guns and knives.tennis rackets.and do the repairs,you name it, he had it,how he ever found anything, was a mystery.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    Whereabouts exactly was Devaneys Bob? I'm sure I have seen it in King Street but can't remember where.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Mar-2014
    My dad-a keen angler-used to buy his tackle at Devaneys-and if I remember rightly,maggots?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Mar-2014
    Next door but one to the chemist that was on the corner of Hammond Road

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    Thank you Denis.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2014
    There is a piece on page 51 of R.J. Meads book about William Gardiner. It states that he was the grandfather of the Wilmot family.Mrs. Wilmot was well-known for her help and care for others as a St. Johns Nurse, and Ernie founded a Coach and Car Hire Service which, unfortunately, had to be sold up due to his bad health.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - Ettie May Gardiner was William's oldest daughter. She married Charles Ernest Wilmot and had two sons and two daughters. Ettie and husband in 1911 were living at 85 Dudley Road with oldest daughter Daisy aged 4. 1915 army records for her husband shows they were living at 18 Hartington Road and 1936 Electoral Roll still living there. Ettie died in 1965 and husband died in 1927.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 5-Mar-2014
    In 1911 husband Charles Ernest Wilmot - think he called himself Ernest - was a Baker van man working for a confectioners. Dudley Road they were living in 3 rooms. Their son Ernest in 1961 was living at 75 Sussex Road and son Eric in 1964 living at 99 Scotts Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Mar-2014
    Just remembered chemist Timothy White & Taylors.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 5-Mar-2014
    If I remember the tackle shop was opposite the manor grounds. Bought all my tackle there, the old boy behind the counter was a Charlie Day. Who knew every fishing spot in the area.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 5-Mar-2014
    Timothy ,Whites ,and Taylors was on the corner of Hammond Rd, Devaneys was next door,Yes selling Maggots of various colours, large barrels of hemp outside then Hardys electrical, then Home and Colonial,these were opposite Platts the butchers and Platts groceries. and Lilly and Skinner, shoes
    Then the Davis brothers from Regina rd, who owned a greengrocers shop next door to Mullingers fish . bough... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    Re Ernest Wilmot,
    I worked for Wilmot's for a while, and enjoyed every minute of it. Started me out on a driving career.

    It's a shame he suffered ill health, liked him and his family.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Picture of Wilmots coach on Flickr

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2014
    Hi Graham . I can remember the registration No of one of Wilmots cars, FLM 777. and the driver was Hugh Ritchie. Wilmots was tops.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 6-Mar-2014
    Photo on Flickr is FLM 514B

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    That's right Carol, I did drive that one for a while, before I went onto the 52 seater with double steering.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 6-Mar-2014
    Have seen a picture of MMT144C the 52 seater somewhere, languishing in a yard waiting to be scrapped, Sad to see.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2014
    I don't know whether this piece I read is of any use as you have probably seen it already. The MMT144C & DJH731F were being talked about and LesD's Pics said: I don't think MMT went to Cavern City Tours. She was a Vega Major and I think she may have ended her days in the field at Penrhiwpal? Somebody will know!

    Bedford Val 2000 said: Mmt was broken up at penrhiwpal, never went to Liverpool. I... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 7-Mar-2014
    Yes, MMT was Wilmot's and DJH was Fox's Coaches, which I believe finished up, as you mentioned, on Cavern Tours.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Mar-2014
    Graham - I asked LesD's Pics this morning if there was a picture of MMT 144C, and he has just replied :

    Type MMT 144C in the Flickr search box near the top of your page (leave gap after MMT and it will load three pictures in various conditions. The one by Wactonbus was taken near Cardigan school.

    I haven't managed to get it yet!!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Mar-2014
    I've got it!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Graham Laidlaw (Member 10263605) on 7-Mar-2014
    Thx for that Pauline, had seen the one at the school, but not the one in the yard.
    Shame that, wish I had had the money to preserve it,
    very fond memories of that coach, did a lot of miles in it. And as I recall never let me down.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thanks carol.she married Wilmot....so famous coaches..yes flickr..and southallboard .use index and lovely photos pop up..will be back on site next week we have both been lung infection.phlem.so bad strongest antibiot.so if you get it in the throat get antibiot traight away before it goes to lungs.coughing .day night.takes ages to go..no food or cup tea .tasting is bad..scare could not breath durin... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yvonne - sorry you have been so ill, hope you are feeling better now. Wondered what had happened with no posts from you. Access to Ancestry so if you want any more info then let me know.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    lovely carol thankyou...yes clearing a bit now.everybody take care..no winter frost ice to kill germs the strain is so thick dense.mild weather winter...gt by Pauline denis bob.everybody.gt info have read thanks.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Does anybody remember O.R. Rycraft Transport in Southall. Think they operated from Park Avenue. Photo here:
    http://www.na3t.org/road/photo/HuG0482-d3

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    Glad you are both feeling better.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    thanks denis..kind of you .we are on the mend.he is impatient fed up coughing phlem.but it will go...you take care....rycraft family southall in google...boy born 1949..elder born uxbridge reg dist earlier yrs..deaths etc.southall..later yrs

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Carol (Member 10254505) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yes Yvonne lots of Rycrafts in Southall - my family

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    lovely.carol.park ave known by most of us.....but mike may have known of rycraft vehicle transport there

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    There was also another transport firm in Southall J.H. Moore i think they were in Oswald Road, the last time i saw one of there trucks was in Nelson Lancashire in 1964.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 8-Mar-2014
    My father in law Tom Mayo worked for Moore's for years. Thought the world of him. A family run business, I think they were all brothers.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Mar-2014
    Yes Tom my mum whent to school with one of the Moore children.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    yes Oswald photo
    of 2 of them in flickr..he named cab after family..Shirley can be seen.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2014
    yes think bros..50s 60s photos

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Mar-2014
    As I had a job finding the coach that Graham used to drive, given by LesD's Pics, I am putting in how I found it in case anybody hasn't managed to find it yet. As you can guess I am no expert on this!

    Type "LesD's pics 18 months ago" in Google, and up will come several headings. Click twice on
    "First of Many/Flicker/Photo sharing", and you will get a Flicker page with a coach on it and a Sear... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2014
    thanks Pauline will try..appreciate

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    When I was looking at that lovely photo of South Road on our first Southallboard, it reminded me of walking through Hamilton road (opposite what used to be the Palace) when I went to Southall County school. Clifton Brown was further along, but I seem to remember an Estate Agents on the corner, or near the corner of Hamilton road. Does anybody else remember it or is it just in my imagination?

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Mar-2014
    Pauline would the estate agent be Austin Farr, it was between the Three horseshoes & the corner of Hamilton Road.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    1950s etc webbs furniture store right side of palace..

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    Yes, I believe it was Denis. How wonderful of you to remember it. So I didn't imagine it? Austin Farr that was it! Thank you.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Mar-2014
    Yes the estate agents was Austin Farr (later Farr Bedford), I can still remember going to the office round the back to pay the rent on the lock-up garage I had from them, this would have been in the 1970's. The rent office eventually moved to their other premises at Hayes End near the Adam and Eve pub.The manager developed a nice side line in letting garages out that had been vacated for cash in h... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Mar-2014
    Thats right Colin i remember it changing its name to Farr Bedford.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    My goodness, the IRA in Hayes End. My relatives were all living around that area in the 1970's.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    1984/5 yrs around then ira streetcar bombed ealing broadway whsmith...by what was many yrs hippodrome cinema.on north side there......I was there 1985 queen came to open new shop mall.south side..unveil horse statue

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Mar-2014
    The IRA incident happened much later in April 1992, I remember it well because the garage was in a block at the back of Western Court in Western Road where I lived at the time and remeber getting home from work to see all the police searching the garage. They found explosives and bomb-making equipment, plus a motor-bike with false plates. We had seen two men over the previous few months tking thin... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    In 1992, the IRA detonated a bomb at London Bridge Railway Station injuring 29 people. I hadn't realised, or perhaps forgot, that there were numerous attacks in 1992.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2014
    thanks yes... quite a lot about 1992 in google..
    luck found gt photos..with rare Victorian chemist photos haven green along from station so many yrs...antique chemist shop and shop front windows tall blue jars etc...d l lewis.here..ealing ..
    http://londonpostcodewalks.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/w5-something-for-everyone-a-comedy-tonight/

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2014
    All I can say is thank goodness we've still got our photos on our Southallboards which remind us of the Ealing we remember, and which I prefer!

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Mar-2014
    nice ealing broadway ones there...yes
    and west ealing

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Mar-2014
    Yes, Austin Farr merged and became Farr Bedford around 1966(ish). What happened to them? They had an office in Greenford Broadway too, just up from Red Lion and House of Bewlay. So many of the shops in Greenford were "independents", but I remember a "MacFisheries" (where the fishmongers ALWAYS wore wellington boots), on the other side of the road near Sainsburys and Woolworths

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Mar-2014
    In fact, the ONLY reference to Farr Bedford that I can now find on the internet is an enormous office block called Farr Bedford House, at Hercies Road, Hillingdon

  • Re: Colin's Archive by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Mar-2014
    Yes Keith, I'd forgotten about the fishmongers in MacFisheries in Southall high street wearing their wellington boots. There was a lot of ice and water about in the fishmongers in those days on their marble slabs.The hours I've queued in that shop waiting for a delivery of fish to come in during the war, and sometimes we had queued for nothing.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Mar-2014
    Yes & MacFishiers tubs of live eels outside there shop.

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Mar-2014
    The MacFisheries staff always wore white overalls, with dark blue aprons bearing white stripes, and wellington boots. Even in high summer. The one in Greenford Broadway was on the east side of Ruislip Road, so the shop front faced west and the wellingtons must have been unbearable on very hot days as the sun would have shone directly onto the fish. There was also a fishmonger inside Greenfor... more >>

  • Re: Colin's Archive by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Mar-2014
    Sorry, not "The one in Greenford Broadway was on the east side of Ruislip Road", but it was on the north side, and so it faced south

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Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
I have just posted a sample of a page of messages copied from the board on my own website, could some of you have a look at it and see if you think it is OK, before I start to amend the others.

http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/knowhere1.htm
  
  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 22-Feb-2014
    I've had a look and it seems ok to me. So are you saying Colin, that you would post all the previous messages to your website & we could access and add to them there? If so that is very generous of you. I remember from previous posts that it was noted that we could possibly contact other members via FriendsReunited requests or (and though it's not for me) Facebook.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to add to them, I may be able set something up to add new messages, but that is taking me into areas of HTML coding that I know little about. At the moment I am just trying to ensure that existing messages would be preserved in the event of Knowhere disappearing.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    That's absolutely fantastic Colin. The thread I would most like to see preserved would be Ron Cox and his title Saxon road 1939-1951 21 January 2009 as this has almost the entire names of all the shops in Southall Broadway and around. Our dear Len Goddard gave us all such valuable information, bless him.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    grateful colin for whatever you can ..do..and fred thanks

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    I forgot to say Colin that the script you have printed is great. Very legible, which is the most important thing.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 23-Feb-2014
    Haven't posted for a long time, but this is something that I posted on the Spring Grove Morris website.

    http://www.springgrovemorris.org/history/kingstonmorris/heston-morris

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    nice link.....1977 1980 Heston school morris boys.tony pegram set up ..Kingston is nice.may day etc

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    has terry Hewitt..1960 Heston boys morris sword...perhaps they did norwood green fete annual event..and annual Heston pk.may day...pk goes back hundreds yrs may day events Heston.my nans family 1850 onwards there from botwell hayes ..Heston church st len does annual fete event in their front area every yr..Heston hall place along does scots dancing many yrs now ..goes to norwood green fete

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    fred...odeon.closed 1970 bowling alley....was it mfi.after ..that had furniture store in the building for quite few yrs..thanks

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14762

    cinema closed with jack lemon 1961 aug 61 .mfi furniture.......1996 carpet...then to lidl supermkt...odeon opened 1936 doug Fairbanks amateur gentleman.uxbridge rd

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    1970 could be cato furniture diy then mfi furniture.from odeon close

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    meant aug 1961 open bowl alley ..dad team there

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Cato's were a small family business and the family lived in Ealing near Hanger Lane Station. I think they had a few other shops, all local

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    catos Chiswick high st 70s 80s my aunt worked there chain..hardware stores..
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=cato+chiswick+shop&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    1990s big chain...dyas took it over...
    hardware etc..big store..chain..
    http://www.hounslow.info/libraries/local-history-archives/high-street-history/brentford-chiswick/brentford-chiswick-3/

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    photos....catos.
    diy store opened in.old odeon 10 pin bowl uxbridge rd southall

    http://www.catol.co.uk/#/about-us/4553249031

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    mr meads.book.....Melrose house fine house..built 1904..mr paton lived there with wife..retired headmaster of Marylebone school massive south rd yrs 1850s onwards..poor orphans from all over London hundreds of them....also used as hospital 1st war..west side south rd...later demolished.1930s ish...
    holy trinity church..the vicarage .then chesnuts of mr abbot..vine cottage house in area......then ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Thank you Yvonne

    I didn't know Cato's built up to more than 30 branches. I think that around 1970 the family owned a nice house in Birkdale Road Ealing that backed on to the old Fox reservoir site

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    yes read of fox site.......catos did well then 1990 dyas took over

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Yes Yvonne, there is a lot of info available about the Fox Reservoir, for example "Hanger Hill Park, including Fox Wood" on British History Online...... It doesn't tell you that it was filled in in 1943 because it made such a fantastic landmark for the Luftwaffe, as there were lots of targets for them nearby. I also found it very odd that they built a reservoir at the very top of a hill, but for ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Feb-2014
    Apparently Luftwaffe pilots had maps which are now in war records showing targets around West London.
    Park Royal, Perivale (and Acton [Napiers]) VERY important targets for them, but they were confused by Harrow & Horsenden Hills nearby. But the one they wanted to locate, Hanger Hill had a reservoir on top which showed up well in moonlight so it made it easy for them to find our factories!! Bi... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    interesting thanks keith yes read many of brit hist on line over last 3 yrs ..so good...german maps .kew archive...we have the one of aec iron bridge area..on line.german map writing on it etc...it is on our southboard.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    I remember rightly there was reservoir built inside Horsenden hill in the 1950s.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    These maps where the brainchild of a German called Baedecker who toured England before the studying the landscape & landmarks.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    That should read before the war.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Feb-2014
    Yes Dennis, I'd forgotten that

    The Horsenden one was built inside the hill partly so that it could not be spotted from the air. Fox reservoir site now an important nature reserve

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    There was also another form of bomb aiming navigation in use this was 2 beams called Knikerbine 1 was dots the other was dashes sent from different transmiters that could be tuned to meet over a target when the bomber got to this point it released its bombs. The most devastating use of this system being Coventry.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2014
    Osterley pk home guard 2nd war...tv tomorrow..channel 9 freeview bbc4............reel history Britain..m bragg..with jimmy perry writer of dads army..reinactments often there of uniform guns etc home guard..out on grass..30 mins.7.30 pm.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2014
    Thanks Yvonne will take a look at that.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2014
    ok

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 26-Feb-2014
    I have now created the archive, it can be accessed via the following link:

    www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/index.html

    Just click on the Knowhere Archive button at the top of the page, none of the other links work at the moment, they are part of an excercise I am carrying out to make my various websites relevant to Southall all accessible from the one page.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    wonderful thankyou colin

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    Thank you so much Colin. This is one of the best presents I could ever have asked for!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    Fred, my daughters and a friend have assured me that if I was to go on Facebok, you can just invite the friends you wanted to be your friend. In other words, you don't have to share all your news with the world. I'm afraid I wouldn't even think about Friends Reunited as it isn't the same as it used to be, and Yvonne will confirm this. This is only if Southall Knowhere packs up!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2014
    Hi everyone i have gone on Facebook just in case, but will use Southall message board until the end

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    yes yrs now that friends reunited such shame is horrid layout.now....facebook yes you can do private click .your comments photo posting only go to the friends you have confirmed to be friend..public setting you get all postings...theme post you can get the emails or stop not receive....some facebook open groups can see in google..most closed group.admin accepts you and members lovely monitored sit... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    Osterley was good..and lots men there memories.....home guard 1941 to dec 1944 war...house grounds woods..lake..shooting etc reinact.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2014
    I missed it tonight. Will have to watch it on i-player. I've watched lots of bits about the miners, but I'd never heard before that they didn't ever wash their backs as it made their backs weak!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2014
    yes miners was before and the one before miners was good.....good luck iplayer..it is nice 30 mins

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 27-Feb-2014
    My dad was a miner in Wales before moving to England. He never talked much about the work, though I do know he had a bath every night in a tin bath at home. I am sure his back would have been washed. As I am in Canada I didn't see the show on TV so I'm not sure what it was about.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    This was a Vintage Film shown on a mobile bus, and a selected audience of a few miners watched the film which had never been shown before, narrated by Melvyn Bragg. It showed miners in a mine in South Wales, and the terrible conditions they worked in with their pit ponies. The ponies were better looked after than the miners. The mines were privately owned, and when there was a terrible tragedy whe... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    It also showed the miners Davy lamps, and that they weren't allowed to put them on the floor in case they fell over, in which case they would have to go all the way back to get them re-lit. The miners had to pay for their own safety helmets. One miner told how he would have to walk a mile and a half in the pit before he reached the seams of coal!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    my southall aunt married wales man..his generations before him..mine .age 16 he walked hitched to London..Brentford then trained carpenter Chiswick lifetime..gt man his wales family also Pontypridd.we went and down the huge museum there..famous
    big pit..we had helmet light etc..down huge deep deep..lift down.deep to coal face got the tiny bit coal brought home..sculptures in the shiny coal sol... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    lyn....reel history of Britain..archive films etc...many tv programmes on play back computer if Canada can get..iplayer etc..bbc etc..

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    One miner who had watched the film said they had to work on their knees a lot of the time to undercut the seam of the coal, as only large pieces of coal were needed, as they didn't get paid for small pieces when they took it up to the top of the pit. He told of an experience when he was 17-years old and there had been an accident in the mine and a miner was buried in the fall and was dead. They ha... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    yes was bad so many yrs ..bevan boys during the war worked.them...canary birds to sense the gas leak.if..ours had his gdads miners lamp..age 16 left home mum sisters walk hitch to Brentford London.1920s.settled called for his younger brother..they both married lived close all their lives Chiswick..strong welsh accents to death 1990s..funeral same day as Windsor castle fire because my family from s... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 27-Feb-2014
    Yes, terrible conditions that they worked in. My dad left school around 12 years old and straight into the mines. Moved into the prefabs after the war. He always had a bad chest from working in the mines Died in 1989.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    yes was bad..lot of ours northhyde southall Heston..out of school 12 and before yrs also.or so even though 13yr law but.they helped earn pennies pay rent food..ag lab etc brick fields helping.girls did servant work or help mum.scivvy work or see to siblings while mum at factory to make money seasonal wk men out of work...gdad northyde.canal southall. helping his dad as child brick making.gravel wo... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Feb-2014
    I have now added the Southall Local History Society section to my website, it can be accessed through the same URL as the Knowhere Archive.

    www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/index.html

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2014
    thankyou very kind of you colin..most appreciated thankyou

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin. You're a star!

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Feb-2014
    Thank you Colin, that is a great job you've done.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Feb-2014
    Have now added the AEC page.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Feb-2014
    Colin, I would just like to add my thanks to those of the others for your great contribution to this site.Mike

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 28-Feb-2014
    Norwood Green page now added.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    our 1st norwood green is lovely there THANKYOU.colin...and now yr 2000 norwood green..age 90 age 100..2 founder members 1930s onwards..may Barnett..ethne manders..lots photos..details norwood green..val tom payne janet linda..bellringers.1996 if tom payne is of family tree norwood green.st mary.my nan gt gran norwood green payne family.bapt 1802.she died.age93 in almshouse one room dark one window... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Colin - Thank you for doing such a brilliant job. I must be doing something wrong because I don't seem to be able to access the AEC and Norwood Green bits. The newsletters are great. One of them is about headstone inscriptions. Does anybody know whether the gravestones in the cemeteries have ever been transcribed?

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 28-Feb-2014
    Carol try refreshing the page (click on the circular arrow in the web address bar).

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    Havelock rd council cemetery 1880s to recent times closed now hortus.is used....Percival hse ealing broadway old town hall cemetery dept has all the record books..burials in date order..by the name says plot etc says vase..or such like..when not the money some graves are grass with no stone no name carved...email or write to them..massive number graves..huge southall.population many yrs........st ... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    norwood green.along top colin has placed it.in the row........just clicked and came up ok.....
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southallmisc/page3.html
    wait for it to load if your computer is slow

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Well I managed to get onto Norwood Green and AEC in a roundabout sort of way, thanks.

    Yvonne, to find out burial plots costs £10 to search. I recently found out my aunt's burial place in Havelock Cemetery, but have yet to find out whether there is a headstone or not. I plan to visit shortly.

    I did find out where my grandparents were buried in Cherry Lane Cemetery in Hayes. At that time I... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    yes heard they charge..so much family tree people now from all over world..councils etc have to charge.for work.per hour...in date order...was lucky 20 yrs ago.free .got map..high light yellow plot .sent me.photocopy of book record pages .says vase etc.does not say ..tall headstone inscription..says green stones .on handwritten page and .cost payed..names etc..date.......I said near kin next kin.... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Feb-2014
    Yvonne - I have taken photos of gravestones and plots. This is a new one I just found and from the plan I know it is in the area on the left hand side of the gate as you go in. Her husband was buried i the same plot years later. Would be nice if there was a headstone. I just wondered whether anybody had recorded the headstones at any time.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    the councils on the record book page says cost.of plot burial..and if vase was added...said stone green stone grave .they enter the other 2.deceased names on the page of the 1st burial.with if rosebowl stone was added...on the handwritten pages they have at ealing........but did not say names verse inscribed.on back stone by mason.but I knew it had.....so good luck find plot...map at gate says rou... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    left side ish..of gate ..4 martin brothers 2006 gravestones done by southall local hist soc.ceremony was there.gazette.....deaths at 1923 they did not have money for names stones only grass...yet £40000 today wally bird fame sells for as pottery..black low curved stones..in a roughly nearish areas around by there...not together..

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2014
    just read...online..
    https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?AcctView=Login&SrchView=Basic&lang=E&sessionid=2029666183&GSDOInptSName&GSDOInptFName&GSDOInptRegion&GSDOInptFrom&GSDOInptTo&GSDOInptSoundex&GSDOInptRegType&GSDOInptCountry&GSDOInptCounty&GSDOInptSite&GSDOInptLocation&GSDOInptLocType&erpp=10&orderBy=SNAME%3BFNAME%3BENTRYDATE&DetsView=Content§ion=ARTICLES&context=20140218_1... more >>

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Mar-2014
    Thanks Yvonne. Looks like a good site.

  • Re: Archive of old Knowhere board messages by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2014
    just put 1st bit in google it comes up..got details today will type out tomorrow had gt day out today so will type tomorrow

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School milk by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Feb-2014
Does any one remember going into school during the holidays in the 1950's to drink school milk. I recall going to North Road and for some reason, one year, we all had to go to a Dormers Well secondary school to get our free milk. It had to be drunk there and then. Weren't allowed to take it home. Chris x   
  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2014
    1960 dormers kept the milk in the cupboard small room.corridor left side on way to hall if you queued there...don't remember ever really having it much ,,,,had to go at break...not bother really..warm etc..not gt

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2014
    in the holidays..1950s...no dormers infants juniors .1954 onwards not go in holidays......
    there was big push to nutrition after war 50s etc....

  • Re: School milk by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 13-Feb-2014
    Loved the free milk, but it seemed inconsistent. Not too sure it tasted the same every day. I become a milk monitor, or in other words Roger Hurt and myself were the biggest in our class so had the job of collecting a crate and carrying it back to the class.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Feb-2014
    The bottle size was one third of a pint. It was a size only available for school use, as half a pint was the smallest size available from the ordinary milkman

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Feb-2014
    I was out at work in the 50's, but in the 30's and 40's the free milk was horrible in the summer as it was left outside in crates in the playground and was almost sour. I hated it and used to sneak it back into the empty crate of bottles if the teacher wasn't looking. In the winter it was frozen and often used to be coming out at the top of the bottle, but I liked that much better as it began to thaw.

  • Re: School milk by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 13-Feb-2014
    I remember the milk being put around the donkey boilers in the huts at North Road School during the winters in the late 1940's to thaw it out, and it was revolting!It took me many years to drink milk again after that.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember school milk thawing out by the coke fires in the annex in North Road school.

  • Re: School milk by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Feb-2014
    During the holidays I was sent to Western Road school for the milk that was served in the entrance foyer. Often warm and unpleasant. I also remember at that period being given a tin of sultanas to take home. They had been donated by one of the commonwealth countries (or was it still the empire then?) . Very welcome at a time of short supply and rationing.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    gt tin lovely...perhaps to yr 1954..still rationing..they would be keen nutrition to do holidays milk..1954 think all rationing ended...gt tv daily channel 19..rationing.wartime uk 2 war .Hampshire farm growing food...xmas parsnip mock turkey and gifts etc evacuees etc.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    As did the Empire.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    As did the Empire.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 14-Feb-2014
    I think Empire Day changed to "Commonwealth Day" in about 1954. Until then we had to march around the playground (locked in) with the person in front of the procession holding a large Union Jack. We were told EVERY school in the Empire was doing exactly the same thing at the same time (11 a.m.), but somehow I now doubt that arab kids in Aden etc actually were.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    yes queen coronation 1953..gradual independence countries and she Philip been so proud of lifetime work they have done on commonwealth...gt museum nottinghill gate went few times,, free.to it all modern good building countries displays... closed some yrs ago but was greatly used by people schools etc..loads huge flags tall outside.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember getting half of a day off which was most welcome

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I think you could be right about the arab kids in Aden ect, dad was in Aden at that time.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    my southall cousin joined bp.oil tankers ships chief engineer .1950s .onwards career...his tankers then supertankers ...suez or around Durban south Africa....aden...biggest port...letters home he posted.aden.etc gifts for us..etc..aden was on tv last night 50s 60s..channel 9 empire etc..Britain on film..archive.bbc4..8.30 pm

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2014
    I still have my Hornby train set made in Liverpool in 1953 dad bought me at Steamer Point store Aden.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2014
    yes my cousin always spoke well of aden

  • Re: School milk by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 14-Feb-2014
    I remember playing Britannia in an Empire Day celebration at North Road School - would probably have been the late 1040's.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Feb-2014
    marvellous phyl........sent email..then site came back at last..tonight...

  • Re: School milk by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 16-Feb-2014
    I have a lovely photograph of my father as a young boy. He is dressed in a Union Jack suit and carrying a Union jack. Presumably an empire day in the 1920s. I recall that Empire Day and then Commonwealth days required me to go to school in my cub scout uniform. I think that I thought that quite special. World maps were of course covered in red coloured countries "which were all ours".

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    gt photo...yes third world pink empire.quarter world ish.
    http://www.academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/British_Empire

    our schools 1934 ..1900s built ....1960 still had lots old empire text bks..not the money for new sets 30 more..books..but for yrs they tried hard to get rid of old books.maps.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    they wanted it red for the maps but found pink colour worked better to allow the lettering titles names to show up on pink better..1977 onwards gt schools lots modern up to date text books and school library gradually full of modern up to date bks replacing inadequate bks

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2014
    Every time I hear the hymn "I vow to thee my country" I am immediately trasported back to the hall at Tudor road school on Empire Day with our headmistress Miss Trent standing in front of us. It is such a stirring hymn - Diana had it plsyed at her wedding and her funeral. We also sang a lot of other songs on Empire Day and I loved it all.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    yes it was at Diana s..daughter in law kate went to.northolt high sch.open special art dept for all kids borough ealing to go to...on valentine morning.her photo on front page standard newspaper.wills 6 am with harry sandbags with army berks areas..so kate told head boy his happy valentine and bouquet was 1st she had and had said of the day..oz they go april..hambro pub hayes bridge on there wall.... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2014
    I knew Empire Day was held on 24th May, but didn't know it was Queen Victoria's birthday, although the first Empire Day wasn't celebrated until 1902, a year after Queen Victoria died in 1901.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    yes she died in Kaisers arms.osborne.jan 1901.kaiser came to funeral.all did..new king coronation was delayed his health..interesting.start empire day...lots photos in google kids dressed up costumes at schools etc..Jerusalem gt hymn.

  • Re: School milk by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 16-Feb-2014
    I live just in the next road to the hornby factory though the readers might be interestedto know they have museum and a children centre open daily, and of course a shop

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2014
    nice photos exterior interia Sheila in google....Ramsgate rd margate..warehouse quite bit stuff coming in from china now..nice to have shop....they do online sales

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Feb-2014
    photos 1st southall board..tonight tv..wartime evacuation sept1939.channel 9 bbc 4 tv..7.30pm...ealing broadway train photos our board 50 new photos general.local

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 17-Feb-2014
    If I remember correctly free school milk was brought to an end by Mrs Thatcher-"Maggie Thatcher,milk snatcher!"

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Feb-2014
    yes mike...just seen photos plaque resting place denis sir bt...but .hers just says Margaret thatcher ..but she was baroness hse lords.. lady..23/4 may order garter queen st George Windsor...unless she chose plain name.insisted it be like that...thought she had middle name like her sister...Chelsea pensioners .place denis her arranged after death..by thames at Chelsea of flower show.royal hospital... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 17-Feb-2014
    Blimey, Chris only mentioned school milk.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    schools...lots different photos kids ..with free milk drinking..with straws etc.40s.50s 60 s,,,on our photo boards..frozen milk popping out of the top crates etc..

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Feb-2014
    Yvonne-mentioning straws reminds me the cap on the bottle has a perforated circle, the idea being one pushed this in, and then put the straw in. However, if you pushed too hard, a fountain of milk shot up,with messy results!

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    never saw straws my yrs.but had to collect at break did not really go myself.to milk..when there were card tops to milk..making pom poms with 2 card circles...silver tops washed went to blue peter tv charity

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Feb-2014
    When our milk was delivered with foil tops the blue tits became past masters in pecking at the tops to get the cream, and they passed this habit on to their chicks. The odd robin used to have a peck sometimes, but it wssn't passed on to their young as they didn't move about in flocks like the blue tits.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2014
    on the patio at living room by our chair robin comes speck cheese so like dairy fat element...but .ants nest few yrs ..young come they love bit of ant..on the lawn mower robin..they and blackbird love recent .turned earth or mow insects worms..lots this last week now spring coming snowdrops crocus and daffs buds now..

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    back site 2 days off sent 3 emails...if recession and they cant keep advertisers to pay for site...then to say to you all best wishes indeed.lots good wishes to you all...if site goes for good...so often it is off..many many best wishes to everybody.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    back site 2 days off sent 3 emails...if recession and they cant keep advertisers to pay for site...then to say to you all best wishes indeed.lots good wishes to you all...if site goes for good...so often it is off..many many best wishes to everybody.

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Feb-2014
    It is looking that way Yvonne & everyone if it goes thank you all for some brill memories its a pity we cant go to another site but just in case thanks & all the best to all.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Feb-2014
    Hopefully, it won't go, but if it does one of the worst things would be to lose all the information on the past few years of the site. Valuable information as well as all the lovely people who contribute.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Feb-2014
    if anybody can print some of it off..if it has a print at the top and would come out on sheets of paper at your printer..you all take care denis Pauline everybody..over 11 yrs site gt people..perhaps the knowhere will limp along...facebook took over another site today...huge amount lots all ages 80 70 60yr old etc.. use it daily...their local area..memories of lifetime.of their areas.friends they ... more >>

  • Re: School milk by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Feb-2014
    I do hope your right it will keep going fingers crossed.

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Feb-2014
    Yes it's sad but there is no paid advertising any more on any of the knowhere boards, and what is worse still, none of the other locations are getting any new postings since about 2011. I fear it maybe goodbye soon, though I hope not

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2014
    site does do down off often now.think it is because advertising ...sites on line... are huge at facebook etc....sincere best wishes to you all..such lovely posts comments over 11 yrs here site..hope not but if...then kindest thoughts with you all always..so many local areas..things..we all know..nostalgia etc..take real good care of yourselves if ..but ..perhaps not.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    I hope with this depressing news that we will be told beforehand, and not just shut down completely.

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    perhaps it wont..friends reunited got less but still there....doubt they would tell us in advance might do....lots nice photos southallboard.happy spring weather everybody it is so nice

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 22-Feb-2014
    Where do you guys live now, I am in ascot xx

  • Re: School milk by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    If Knowhere website goes belly-up then old messages can still be accessed via the Internet Archive Wayback Machine:

    https://archive.org/web/

    Enter the follwoing in the search box and click browse ... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    thanks colin gt...so good thanks...yes over 13 yrs pages....but sections they think of..are whole sheets on the shops.chatter...or .certain roads..of memory.etc.it is poss to print off...but think you have to be quick to stop it..trying to get the section subject pages you want .of nostalgia.

  • Re: School milk by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Feb-2014
    Thanks for that Colin. I've just copied it to myself!

  • Re: School milk by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 22-Feb-2014
    I've discovered that the Internet Archive idea doesn't work as well as I hoped, so I have just been through and copied all the web pages of messages to my computer. I will have a play around with them and see if I can create a full archive to post on my own website. What I come up with may not be elegant, but I should at least be able to retain the readability of the messages.

    I put too many ze... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 22-Feb-2014
    As you know I moved to Weston back in 1972 but I grew up in Southall, played rugby, apprenticeship etc, parents and family lived there, so everyday my mind is back in Southall. In fact my kids and grandkids are sick of hearing of the place. This site keeps me there, and if politics and dire governments had not dabbled I would still be living there. Well maybe close by.

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 22-Feb-2014
    I still think of southall all the time and strangely my husband who at the time was a police inspector, was community liaison officer for southall and Ealing .

  • Re: School milk by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Feb-2014
    I moved down to Sussex nearly 40 years ago, and am in Arundel now. Can't remember the last time I was in Southall but it was years ago. I do get up to Hanworth about once a year to see family and that is now a depressing pit of a place. I shudder to think what Southall is like now. I think we all remember west Middlesex as a lovely rural place, but the past is a different place that no lon... more >>

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2014
    linda....our member for many yrs was len goddard.born 1925 southall..his son was police at southall police station..then went to Plymouth..so name may be know to you.

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 23-Feb-2014
    I was born in 1945 and my family lived and went to school there. My family lived in derley rd and I went to Western rd school. I am still in touch with people from southall. My grandparents lived in oakwood ave opposite southall park. I would still love to buy their house. I think of southall with such love. Xx

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    most of us similar age ..gt oakwood..along by those roads across alley s..to dormers wells lane schools....durley rd gt.....southall football stadium.loads have fond memories..western rd school..my aunt went after opened 1911....demolished 1980s.....and.featherstone rd primary all changes

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 23-Feb-2014
    Xxx Yvonne my phone number is 01344 249543 anytime you feel like catching up and that goes for anyone that was around then, if there is enough of us perhaps we could have a get together. Linda Quinn (Sutherland) x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    best wishes linda..try see photos...hundreds of them amazing..southallboard .in google 4 yrs now..good wishes to youxx

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Feb-2014
    Linda- Ftom my distant memories of Southall (1928-1954),Oakwood Avenue was indeed a beautiful Road. Didn't Harry Rountree the artist live there at some time?

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    harry lived dormers wells lane on 1911census

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2014
    1911called dormers wells hse ..one of those nice ones..9 rooms..housemaid cook 2.kids wife him born newzealand..artist illustrator..1934 he opened new dormers seniors.my dad aunt went school there.his visit your school north rd.primary.left sketches.gave them hope they still have

  • Re: School milk by Linda (Member 10291388) on 24-Feb-2014
    There used to be a huge house next to them called Melrose but it was destroyed for flats x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    half way down north oakwood ave.on west side...now Melrose drive..goes off west off oakwood...so to remember the fine house...uxbridge rd..going west out of dense London was popular air greenery southall park etc..for london gentry etc to move to early yrs..some nice houses..Melrose hse

  • Re: School milk by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Feb-2014
    Yvonne- I was present with the whole school in the hall when he did those sketches. Like you, I wonder what happened to them

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    mike....so glad you were in the hall..he would have been getting older then..1911 he was with wife couple kids...retired to st ives cornwall well known pub there he sketched people etc..we love st ives gt paintings etc area..

  • Re: School milk by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-Feb-2014
    Just spent a week in St Ives, half term holiday with three of my grandchildren. We go every year, it's beautiful there. Chris x

  • Re: School milk by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2014
    we went only few yrs ago.loved it cornwall and st ives art gallery etc..beaches harbour..photos in google of north rd school rountree st ives retired pub..on the front..locals knew him well he died 1950 age 70s..few children his son in google..wonder if school still has those 1930s sketches or they are with ealing local history library for southall...library has 170 and more paintings etc of the a... more >>

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